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Speaker 1: The big news making headlines yesterday was that an internal

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Speaker 1: replace incumbent Senator Sam McMahon. In a report by Matt Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: it is being reported that several high profile party figures

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Speaker 1: the COLP Senate ticket ahead of the new full ahead

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Speaker 1: but apparently the party is split, with some Darwin members

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Speaker 1: claiming that dirty tricks are being used by Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: the line. Now that claim is being strenuously denied by

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Speaker 1: the President Jamie de Brenny. But joining me on the

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Speaker 1: line is the COLP opposition leader Lea Fanocchiaro. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. Congratulations on your order of Australia. Very

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Speaker 2: very well deservedive family, undoubtedly extremely proud of you.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you, Leah. I appreciate that and welcod to

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Speaker 1: have you back on the show for twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: To be back I just dropped the kids at school

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Speaker 2: for the first time this year, and a few tears

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Speaker 2: and I thought I'd never been one of those bluddering mothers.

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Speaker 2: But there you go.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, so it was tears from you, not the kids,

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Speaker 1: may not them. Oh don't worry. It gets easier as

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Speaker 1: they get older. I can assure you of that, Yes

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Speaker 1: it does. Now, look, let's get into this story that's

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Speaker 1: being reported. LA Darwin members are reportedly upset that they

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Speaker 1: were told some top end branches might not be allowed

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Speaker 1: a vote at pre selection. This is for the Senate

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Speaker 1: due to outstanding fees.

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Speaker 2: Is this appropriate? Look, I'm not aware of any of

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Speaker 2: these issues that have been reported. It smags to me

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Speaker 2: is a bit of a slow newsweek. But certainly, you know,

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Speaker 2: if people are very interested in running for the Country

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Speaker 2: Liberal Party, then we welcome that. We have a very

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Speaker 2: open process. And you know, whether it's the Senate, whether

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Speaker 2: it's the House of Reps, whether it's the Northern Territory members,

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Speaker 2: pre selections open to everybody, and just because you're an

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Speaker 2: incumbent doesn't mean other people don't have the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: a healthy party and a healthy process, and certainly for us,

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Speaker 2: the seats of Linkeiary and Solomon are open for pre selection.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to be as strong representative in Canberra,

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Speaker 2: come and talk to us.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah, I guess many would argue that it's actually

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Speaker 1: a sign of a party that he's internally bickering. Is

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Speaker 1: there a situation here where the COLP is looking to

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Speaker 1: replace Senator Sam mcmat no, not at.

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Speaker 2: All, and the Senator certainly has my full support. This

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Speaker 2: is just a very normal, routine process. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: we all have to go up for pre selection no

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Speaker 2: matter what level we're at. We're very different to labor

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Speaker 2: the best person for the job. And that's important. You know,

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Speaker 2: we need strong representatives in Canberra, we need strong representatives

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Speaker 1: So is there a situation here where some members of

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm not aware of any internal issues with the party.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, the President has made comments and

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Speaker 2: those matters are certainly matters for the party. But in

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Speaker 2: terms of healthy preselection processes, I certainly wouldn't have it

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Speaker 1: So what I'm getting asked, Leah is as you've worked

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Speaker 1: last election, and this kind of internal bickering it really

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Speaker 1: doesn't look good. It must be frustrating for you. Oh.

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Speaker 2: Look, you know, if people are thinking about pre selection processes,

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Speaker 2: we've had a very important federal election coming up then

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Speaker 2: that's important and of course, like with anything, people will

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Speaker 2: And it's just a normal part of any pre selection

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Speaker 2: healthy part of a very normal process. Have people resigned though, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm not aware of any resignations or any other issues.

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Speaker 2: Katie it's you know, we've got pre selection open for

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Speaker 1: Look, my understanding is that Rowan Kelly, a former candidate

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Speaker 1: understanding is that it's for a number of reasons. But

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Speaker 1: there is internal jostling. Are there members of the party

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Katie Rowan's a great member of our party.

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Speaker 2: I'm not aware of that situation at all, if indeed

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Speaker 2: that is going from strength to strength. Last year we

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Speaker 2: And people respected that, and we will continue to move

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Speaker 2: the concern of the community, and that's our absolute focus.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you worried though, that there's members of

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. The country of the Riparty is focused on

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Speaker 2: In the Bush, we our major centers because we believe

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Speaker 1: All right, well, let's talk about some of those issues

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Speaker 1: which do continue to burn here in the territory. Youth

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Speaker 1: youth crime now. They include strengthening youth bail laws and

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Speaker 1: having longer prison sentences for juveniles. You've been calling for

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Speaker 1: The Chief Minister had this to say when we asked

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Speaker 3: So we've extremely strong bail laws and I think we've

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Speaker 1: So, so yes or no, will those bail laws change?

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Speaker 3: I know I don't think that's the issue.

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Speaker 2: Leah.

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Speaker 1: Would this really make a difference or are you just

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Speaker 2: It will absolutely make a difference and it just shows

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Speaker 2: how out of touch the Chief Minister really is. We

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Speaker 2: this has been going on for a couple of years

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Speaker 2: now and things are spiraling worse and worse out of control.

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Speaker 2: Queensland have taken a strong lean and you know we

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Speaker 2: look at the bowl laws and all of these things,

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Speaker 2: seeing this backslip and this backpedal away from what's actually needed.

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Speaker 2: We will always stand firm on the fact that offenders

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Speaker 2: boggles the mind, Katie, because questions that we ask during

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Speaker 2: fifty not seventy five. So you know, the Chief Minister

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Speaker 2: has got some serious work to do.

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Speaker 1: So are you saying that he has used the wrong

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Speaker 2: I think he has no idea what he's talking about.

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Speaker 2: And when he says we've got the toughest bowl laws

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Speaker 2: I think this is the government scrambling from its inability

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Speaker 2: people in Centralians are hurting. They're desperately crying out for

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Speaker 2: to show some leadership, and instead they get nothing. You know,

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Speaker 2: and this is just going on and on and it

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Speaker 2: is not good enough, Leah.

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Speaker 1: In Queensland they are looking at a few different things.

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Speaker 1: One of those is a national Summit on Youth Crime.

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Speaker 1: Well that's what the Queensland Police Union's calling for. They

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Speaker 1: also want to target the juvenile offended demographic and look

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Speaker 1: at different types of technology. Are these some of the

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Speaker 2: Oh, without question. We've always said that that presumption, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're a repeat offender, offender, you should not have

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Speaker 2: a presumption in favor of bail. They should be escalating

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Speaker 2: penalties if you repeat offend, then the consequences is longer tougher.

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Speaker 2: You know. We need to ensure that we're giving young

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Speaker 2: through you know, sentenced skills training. Of course, we've had

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Speaker 2: this fiasco at the moment about the Chief Minister talking

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Speaker 2: tough about sentencing kids to boot camps when again, through

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Speaker 2: questioning an estimate, no use has been sentenced to a

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Speaker 2: boot camp and in fact you cannot be sentenced to

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Speaker 2: a boot camp. So this is a government that doesn't

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Speaker 2: want to deal with this issue, doesn't know what it's

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Speaker 2: talking about, is incapable of making the change that's required,

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Speaker 2: and we certainly support all measures such as electronic monitoring

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Speaker 2: whilst on bail and other types of engagement. We really

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Speaker 2: need a range of measures to deal with a widespread issue.

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Speaker 1: Lea to put the shoe on the other foot, though

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory when it comes to youth offending. We

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Speaker 1: also know that when we talk about these situations, some

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Speaker 1: of those break ins were eight years old. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have obviously got an issue here that is broader

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Speaker 1: right now is that Territorians are just crying out for

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and it's terribly sad. You know, an

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Speaker 2: to be dealing with that offending at that point end

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Speaker 2: and we need all the work done behind it, and

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Speaker 2: I think it goes to the heart of child protection.

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Speaker 2: You know, Territory Families has taken on board Youth Justice

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Speaker 2: and in my view it's been an absolute disaster. Those

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Speaker 2: people working in that agency do everything they can with

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Speaker 2: what they have, but it is a misplaced ideological decision

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Speaker 2: that the government made when they won in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: You know, Youth Justice needs to be split back off

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Speaker 2: Territory Families. It needs to go into corrections and care

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Speaker 2: and protection of children needs to be enhanced and looked

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Speaker 2: at because if an eight year old is out committing crimes,

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Speaker 2: what is going on at home and what are all

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Speaker 2: the other issues that might be taking place. You know,

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Speaker 2: we had a inquiry into fas D and other types

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Speaker 2: support for children with fas D just isn't there in

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Speaker 2: our community. There's a lot of work that needs to

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Speaker 2: be done, but what's not okay is for the government

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Speaker 2: to bury its head in the sand, to continue to

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Speaker 2: create victims right across the territory and do nothing about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. There's some territorianess who are

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Speaker 1: taking matters into their own hands. They've created a change

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Speaker 1: dot org petition. More than eight thousand people have signed

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Speaker 1: that petition. From what I can gather, LEA, is that

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Speaker 1: something that you will then be presenting to Parliament? Have

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Speaker 1: you spoken to the organizers? I mean, is it something

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Speaker 1: that should be presented to Parliament?

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Speaker 2: It absolutely should, and I commend the community. You know,

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Speaker 2: the most powerful thing the community can do is stand

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Speaker 2: we support that one hundred percent. I know that Bill

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Speaker 2: Yan and Josh Bergoin will certainly be making contact with

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Speaker 2: the gentlemen who started that position. We are very happy

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Speaker 2: the community is there. It rallied together to say please,

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Speaker 2: we've had enough, we can't do this anymore. And of

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Speaker 2: course this goes to the heart not just of people's

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Speaker 2: to our economy. We have had such a hit from COVID,

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Speaker 2: We've had a wet season where obviously things have been

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Speaker 2: we really want the interstate tourism market and if people

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Speaker 2: this is going to have a devastating impact on business,

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Speaker 2: which means people do not have jobs. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: reality is every business that closes is however many jobs

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Speaker 2: that go along with it, and then that's people who

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Speaker 2: may very well leave. So the cascading effect of not

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Speaker 2: dealing with this crime issue is profane.

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Speaker 1: Leah, We're going to have to move along. I do

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Speaker 1: want to ask you quickly. We're running out of time.

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Speaker 1: The alcohol obviously in Tenant Creek there is obviously the

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Speaker 1: Alcohol Review which is happening at the moment, or they've

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Speaker 1: concerns from hospitality into that the BDR is going to

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Speaker 1: be rolled out further and into pubs. Should this be happening.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're really critical of the government on this issue

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Speaker 2: because of course the Barkley is long forgotten by the

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Speaker 2: Gunner government. They promised the people of the Barkley a

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Speaker 2: review into this issue two years ago, two years ago,

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Speaker 2: and it is only just happening now. Of course, we've

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Speaker 2: seen enormous increases in secondary supply. Domestic violence is horrific.

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Speaker 2: There's clearly something not working, and the fact that now

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Speaker 2: two years past the date, they're now looking at more

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Speaker 2: measures like having the BDR in pubs and clubs just

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Speaker 2: shows a lack of consultation, a lack of will from

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Speaker 2: the government to work with the people of the Barkley

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Speaker 2: to find solutions that aren't going to create other problems

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Speaker 2: like drive up secondary supply.

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Speaker 1: I guess that you know, we have just spoken though

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Speaker 1: arlier about some of the issues that we're seeing with youths,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we cannot deny that that alcohol, in

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Speaker 1: many cases has a huge impact on family units. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you think that rolling out some of these additional

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Speaker 1: space of alcohol abuse.

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Speaker 2: What I think is that the government has set its

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Speaker 2: alcohol policies and forgotten about it. We were promised when

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Speaker 2: the BDR came back in that the BDA would be

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Speaker 2: reviewed and then it would be appropriately changed and strengthened

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Speaker 2: as required. That has never happened. Obviously, secondary supply has

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Speaker 2: gotten out of control and police are desperately calling for

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Speaker 2: different rafts of measures around the territory to try and

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Speaker 2: help them deal with that issue when they're already understrained.

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Speaker 2: You know, alcohol is a big issue and it's clear

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Speaker 2: that the government's alcohol policies aren't working. So instead of

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Speaker 2: just continuously tacking on the top new measures, they need

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Speaker 2: to go back and look at what's worked, what hasn't,

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Speaker 2: and they need to seriously putting some form of mandatory

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Speaker 2: treatment back on the table because people who have chronic

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Speaker 1: All right, Leah, we are going to have to leave

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Speaker 1: it there. We've got such a busy morning ahead of us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time. Hey, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be out well obviously you're going to be on Friday

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Speaker 1: for the week that was, but I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: doing park run in your neck of the woods in

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Speaker 1: Palmerston on Saturday. Want to come along?

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Speaker 2: Oh God, no caring for you from my bed.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks Leah. Leah Finocchio there the Opposition leader