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Speaker 1: Black Cast Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges

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Speaker 1: episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land

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Speaker 1: where you, the listener of youer are tuning in from.

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Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects to our elders

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Speaker 1: past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: land and always will be Aboriginal land.

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Speaker 2: I think with this program, you know, we've been pretty lucky.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't financially discriminate, so you can apply from anywhere

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Speaker 2: and you don't have to pay a single cent. Wow,

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Speaker 2: airfare's no food accommodation like it's pretty special.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mondonara Bail.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Black Magic ow Podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is an episode where we are yarning about all

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Speaker 1: things culture is life, in particular the followship program. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to give you much way. Actually, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to get the guests on this show to actually talk

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Speaker 1: about the followship program. I'm here on Beautiful Yagura, Turrible Land,

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Speaker 1: blessed to be here at the iHeart Studio. So a

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Speaker 1: big shout out to iHeart, but also a big shout

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Speaker 1: out to Thara Brown, a tita who reached out to

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Speaker 1: me on Instagram and was like, hey, Sis, can we

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Speaker 1: have a yarn about an opportunity which has now brought

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Speaker 1: us to this very moment in time. So the Followship Program.

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Speaker 1: I know my niece Lala is now one of the alumnis,

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Speaker 1: so I want to give a big shout out to

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Speaker 1: Lala as well, who had nothing but positives and like

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Speaker 1: literally raving reviews about this program. And it's probably a

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Speaker 1: program that you won't hear much about in terms of

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Speaker 1: opportunities for young mob to come together to develop themselves.

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Speaker 1: But based on culture. Everything is centered around culture and

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Speaker 1: that's the culture is life. Do we'll talk more about

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Speaker 1: that in a moment. I'm going to hand over to

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Speaker 1: our guest today. You've got the Deadly Sister, Bri. Sister,

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Speaker 1: do you want to share with our listeners and viewers

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Speaker 1: you know, your name, your mob, and a little bit

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Speaker 1: about where you grew up, and then we'll go over

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Speaker 1: to you brother Jeremy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So my name is Brie Aaron. I'm a Nonga

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Speaker 3: woman from Perth. So my dad's side of the family

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Speaker 3: And then my mom's side of the family are Wajak

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Speaker 3: from Perth and also woggle Kite from coaching up. But

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Speaker 3: I was born and raised in Perth.

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Speaker 1: My whole life to Deadly over to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my name is Jeremy. I'm a proud so yeah

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Speaker 2: way away, I've got mob there and on the apy Lands,

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Speaker 2: I've mob there. I've been lucky enough to do some

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Speaker 2: family trips there and right now I'm living in Adelaide

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Speaker 2: on Ghana Country to.

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Speaker 1: Deadly, So, Jeremy, I guess you know living on Ghana Country.

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Speaker 1: You're here now in mungangin Aka Brisbane, the land of

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Speaker 1: the Yagura and Turible peoples. How did you get involved

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Speaker 1: in terms of with Culture's Life, Like when did you

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Speaker 1: got or you saw it on social media?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was a bit of a funny one

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Speaker 2: how I sort of found out about the followship program.

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Speaker 2: I was in a LinkedIn group, the Association of First

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Speaker 2: Nations in International Development, and so yeah, someone there put

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Speaker 2: up the Culture's Life followship applications and it was sort

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Speaker 2: was umming and urring about it. Oh, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if I'll do it, because I'm more of an introvert.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know if I can do programs

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Speaker 2: So I applied fairly last minute and yeah, in terms

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Speaker 2: went all right, Yeah, deadly mob there, Culture's life. They

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Speaker 1: So and there are hundreds of applications and you know,

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Speaker 1: Loved Hey Bulla Kenny. I just got to say big

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Speaker 1: shout out to Butlla. I actually met him at Monash

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Speaker 1: So there's a connection there already. You got to meet

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Speaker 3: So I knew that twenty twenty four was going to

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Speaker 1: So you're a lawyer, I am okay. I love this

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Speaker 1: So you kind of saw this as an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: thinking about your own mental health. At Culture's Life through

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Speaker 3: that there's been a death and custody for instance, or

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Speaker 3: know you have an inquest coming up, something really bad

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Speaker 3: So and I really didn't want to, you know, take

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Speaker 3: I really wanted to have that protective layer to make

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Speaker 1: And a lot of these psychologists at Abstar are actually

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Speaker 1: know that Abstar is like the because I've worked in

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Speaker 1: pretty sure that there's not a lot of money out

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Speaker 3: I've been to the East Coast a few times, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've been able to really immerse yourself here

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Speaker 1: So this program is run out of culture is Life,

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Speaker 1: which is an abage on led not for profit in

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Speaker 1: this program in particular when it comes to supporting black excellence,

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Speaker 1: supporting aberge ntush on people to connect with culture and

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Speaker 1: How have you found the cultural aspect of the program?

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Speaker 2: So they're really grateful to be able to do that.

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Speaker 1: all the communities are all the same, but they're not

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