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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for.

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Speaker 1: The time poor parent who just wants answers Now.

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Speaker 2: Hello, this is doctor Justin Colson, the founder of Happy

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Speaker 2: Families dot com dot You. Welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 2: the Happy Families Podcast. Mother's Day it's just around the corner.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you have the same sensitivity,

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Speaker 2: the same awareness that I've i guess, been experiencing. Increasingly

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Speaker 2: over the last handful of years, I'm seeing more and

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Speaker 2: more of my friends who are no longer fortunate enough

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Speaker 2: to have both of their parents alive. That may be

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Speaker 2: the case for you as well, and maybe you've even

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Speaker 2: lost one of your parents. More than that, though, I'm

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Speaker 2: becoming particularly mindful that Mother's Day as an idea, and

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Speaker 2: even Father's Day and all of these other days of

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Speaker 2: celebration that we have in our calendar, they're not always

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Speaker 2: wonderful for everybody. In fact, Mother's Day for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people is a real challenge, and there's this delicate

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Speaker 2: balance where we're trying to say, let's celebrate mum because

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Speaker 2: Mother's Day this weekend, but let's also be mindful that

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Speaker 2: not everybody is able to celebrate because their mum may

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Speaker 2: have passed away, or because the kids may not have

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Speaker 2: their mum available to them, may not be accessible. Maybe

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Speaker 2: they're in the foster care system. Maybe I don't know,

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Speaker 2: maybe mum's in jail and the kids being raised by parents, grandparents.

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Speaker 2: I should say, there's so many different circumstances, and so

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Speaker 2: as much as I want to jump onto social media

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Speaker 2: and say happy Mother's Day, it's going to be great weekend,

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Speaker 2: go and love your family and be all over mum,

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Speaker 2: there's that part of me that kind of thinks I

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Speaker 2: almost need to be apologetic about it. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if apologetic is the right word, but really want to

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Speaker 2: be sensitive at a time of genuine pain, distress and

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Speaker 2: sadness for so many people to have a conversation with

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Speaker 2: me about how we can be sensitive and also what

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Speaker 2: we can do if our family is one of those

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Speaker 2: families that requires that sensitivity. I'm joined by Christy Thomas.

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Speaker 2: CHRISTI joined me a little while ago on the Happy

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Speaker 2: Families podcast. She's from an organization called Feel the Magic.

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Speaker 2: You can find out all about Feel the Magic and

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Speaker 2: feel themagic dot org dot au. They're in strange charity

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Speaker 2: providing early intervention grief education, programs for kids between seven

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Speaker 2: to eighteen who are experiencing pain and isolation due to

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Speaker 2: the death of a parent, or a guardian or a sibling. Christy,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining me. As we move towards Mother's Day,

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Speaker 2: this must be a tough time for so many of

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Speaker 2: the families that you deal with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely, it's a sensitive time. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: it's a time for them where it's not when they

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Speaker 1: don't want to celebrate. It's just how do we do that?

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Speaker 1: How do we now do that when our mother is gone.

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Speaker 2: I'm imagining that people with the very best of intentions

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Speaker 2: will say to a child who has lost a parent,

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Speaker 2: a mother in this case, as we move towards Mother's Day,

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Speaker 2: they must say some things that are meant to be

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Speaker 2: helpful but must just be so painful. We're having this

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Speaker 2: conversation on zoom. Our podcast listeners obviously can't see your face,

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Speaker 2: but as I said that, you had this really gentle

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Speaker 2: it was. It was a kind eye roll, but you

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Speaker 2: did your roll your eyes. You were like, oh, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there are some painful things that are said by well

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Speaker 2: meaning people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and well meaning. Mostly because I deal with

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Speaker 1: a lot of children, well meaning children now children are

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Speaker 1: that can be really uncomfortable. So that the eye roll

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Speaker 1: was really based around the moments that kids have shared

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Speaker 1: with me that are really hurtful and painful, like why

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Speaker 1: are you buying a present for your mummy if you

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Why, I you know? That is such a simple question

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Speaker 1: that child is probably generally interested to know. And what

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Speaker 1: we want to do is equip the child who is

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Speaker 1: buying the present, who doesn't have a mum, with either

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Speaker 1: I feel that they've got much more sensitivity around these things,

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Speaker 2: Christy. At this time of year, we've got Mother's Day stalls,

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Speaker 2: or uncles, how do we help them to navigate that.

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Speaker 2: Let's say we've got some happy families listeners who are

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Speaker 2: literally dealing with that today. What are the kinds of

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Speaker 2: things that parents and other caregivers can say to help

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Speaker 1: I think the number one thing the priority would be

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Speaker 1: for that day. So future planning really supports their anxiety

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Speaker 1: knowing that that might change from year to year and

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Speaker 2: I'm imagining a scenario. I'm not imagining it too deeply

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Speaker 2: I am a single dad. If Kylie wasn't with me

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Speaker 2: to participate in these activities, what do I say, literally,

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Speaker 1: And Number one would be to acknowledge that it's going

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Speaker 1: or that it could be quite upsetting. Acknowledging that free

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Speaker 1: possibly just talking to you or nine year old about Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess you can still commemorate Mum even

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Speaker 1: Would you what's going to help you to feel better?

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Speaker 1: And you know, really put it in their court to say, actually,

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Speaker 1: Kids are really good at knowing what they need if

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Speaker 2: I'm tempted to just remind parents at this point that

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's okay to just say, you know what, you

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Speaker 2: We're just going to have a really quiet time at home.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I mean I would never suggest let's not

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Speaker 1: giving them, empowering them to make the choice I think

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Speaker 2: I was speaking with Christy Thomas. Christie is the founder

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Speaker 2: of Fieldthmagic dot org dot au and Ozzie charity that

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Speaker 2: it can be a sensitive time. Christy, what about the

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Speaker 2: situation where you've got, like in my family, Kylie and

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Speaker 1: But the thing is that sits there with them all

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Speaker 1: share something positive. They love to share about their loved one.

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Speaker 1: They love to do that. So if given an opportunity

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Speaker 2: You say that. It's the same for kids who are

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Speaker 2: with us. But if we're talking about somebody who's dysfunctional

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Speaker 2: this is a really different kind of conversation. I would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so then you could ask your friend, oh, this

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Speaker 1: or just being a friend, just being there acknowledging them,

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Speaker 1: because you're right, it's not always a positive experience if

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Speaker 1: their mother is missing due to other circumstances.

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Speaker 2: So, Christy, I remember from our last conversation there's surprisingly

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Speaker 2: high percentage of kids who are being raised in families

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Speaker 2: where they have lost a parent.

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Speaker 1: It's one in twenty lost a parent by the time

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Speaker 1: they're eighteen.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of families who will be listening to

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Speaker 2: this who are affected. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if you look at any average school,

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Speaker 1: then that would be one in average class. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's talking about sibling loss and or guardian loss,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, do you have any other resources for families

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Speaker 2: who would like more information to get access to some

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Speaker 2: scripts or something to read, or something they can stand

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. We have. On the website we have a place

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Speaker 1: called the Grief Resource Hub. There's quite a few downloads

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Speaker 1: you can access around speaking to all different ages around grief,

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Speaker 1: but specifically for Mother's Day. We do have a download

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Speaker 1: how to talk to my child about Mother's Day approaching

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Speaker 1: If they're grieving the loss of their mum. And then

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Speaker 1: there's also a beautiful download where we've interviewed kids about

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Speaker 1: what they would love on Mother's Day and it's just

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Speaker 1: got some tips and tricks in there around how to

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Speaker 1: spend Mother's Day with them, like creating memorials or buying

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Speaker 1: the present, writing cards, those types of things.

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Speaker 2: Christy Thomas from Fieldmagic dot org dot I, you really

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Speaker 2: appreciate you having a conversation about something this. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of tricky. It's such a sense in the time of

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Speaker 2: the year.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all those details again will be in our show notes,

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Speaker 2: but it's fieldmagic dot org dot au. And as Christy mentioned,

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Speaker 2: there is on the resources tab a grief resource hub

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Speaker 2: with everything that you need if this is something that's

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Speaker 2: sadly relevant for your family. The Happy Families podcast is

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Speaker 2: produced by Justin Rulan from Bridge Media, with Craig Bruce

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Speaker 2: as our executive producer. For more information about how to

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Speaker 2: support and make your family happier regardless of your circumstances,

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Speaker 2: please visit us at Happy Families dot com dot au.