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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me.

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Speaker 2: Lola Berry, author, nutritionist, and yoga teacher, join me as

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Speaker 2: we get to know these guests and learn about how

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Speaker 2: their failures have ultimately shaped their dreams.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry. Hello for those

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Speaker 1: of you that are new to the pod.

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Speaker 2: I'm living in La and so this Monday episode where

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Speaker 2: I interview a guest, it's now recorded in real life

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Speaker 2: with people from La, the City of Angels, the Land

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Speaker 2: of dreams. So today's guest is the wonderful Jackie Diamond.

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Speaker 2: She is an acting teacher, producer, a director. She's worked

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Speaker 2: in casting. She's headed up for the Australian theater company

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Speaker 2: here Unstoppable Force. She's also teamed up and worked with

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Speaker 2: John Patrick Shanley I Mean Goals, Life Goals. She's worked

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Speaker 2: with Larry Moss. She's worked with in Sinclair. This human

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Speaker 2: is super humble and hard working and.

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Speaker 1: Pretty unreal if you ask me.

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Speaker 2: And I'm very lucky because I get to call Jackie

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Speaker 2: my teacher. I'm training with her at the Avanta Chubvik

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Speaker 2: Studio here in Los Angeles. So in the show notes,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to put Jackie's Insta handle. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: put the Ivanta Chubviks studio details as well, and I

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Speaker 2: will put for the actor website, which is Jackie's personal website,

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: So please enjoy this chat. It's really inspiring.

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Speaker 2: She's super courageous, really honest and open, and we touch

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Speaker 2: on some someone kind of like my own hang ups

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Speaker 2: about acting, Like I say, oh, I.

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Speaker 1: Just hold on to the work so much.

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Speaker 2: And we kind of Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I get really inspired, and I hope you do too.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you will, because Jackie is absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for jumping on the pod. Jackie,

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Speaker 1: You're unreal.

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Speaker 2: Jackie Diamond. We are recording officially there so acting teacher, producer, director,

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Speaker 2: also worked in casting.

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Speaker 1: Yes, my.

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Speaker 2: First experience and memories of you were me being a

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Speaker 2: student of yours via zoom in the Pandemic.

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Speaker 1: So great and you really nurtured me.

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Speaker 2: I love studying acting, but I tell people it's like

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Speaker 2: swimming with sharks.

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Speaker 1: It scares me a lot as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that before, and you took so much

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Speaker 2: of that fear away.

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Speaker 3: Oh good from me.

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Speaker 2: So I'm wrapped to be a student of yours again.

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Speaker 2: But I want to know, like where did it all

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Speaker 2: begin with you? So you were just saying you grew

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Speaker 2: up in San Diego.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I grew up in San Diego in a very

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Speaker 3: So I didn't even really know what it was. But

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Speaker 3: what I did, what I did love was just stories

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Speaker 3: and make believe and telling stories. And I spent my

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Speaker 3: entire childhood. I was a very strange child. I'll tell

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Speaker 3: for who I am today. But I was a very

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Speaker 3: I lived in the world of stories, and you know,

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Speaker 1: An actor an imagination.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, always the imaginary world, right. I actually had

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Speaker 1: What was her name?

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Speaker 3: It was a little girl and her name was Nana.

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Speaker 3: And Nana was like part of my childhood growing up.

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Speaker 2: And this is skipping ahead, but have you ever used

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Speaker 2: So as a kid, you're always into the imaginary world.

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Speaker 1: Storytelling was really important to your life.

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Speaker 2: So then when does it become like, hang on, this

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Speaker 3: I think it was a very slow burn because I

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Speaker 1: You had a crush on Jason Bateman.

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Speaker 3: I did have a crush on Jason Bateman. I still do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not let's the same, I'll do it.

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Speaker 3: Right, I just were crushing on Jason right now totally.

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Speaker 2: famously say, so, you know, mine's not Da Hagen, Larry Moss,

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Speaker 3: find out about when you know, what opportunities are there

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00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 3: for work? And dah da dah. And I think they

437
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 3: just thought I was so they thought that was so strange,

438
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: because how good it was funny. Well, when I think

439
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 3: about it, yeah, for that age, I was like eighteen

440
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 3: years old and I was so yeah. I just was like,

441
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 3: you know, I remember the woman in Melbourne because their

442
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 3: head office was in Melbourne, and the woman that answered

443
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 3: her name Cindy and she actually became a really good

444
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 3: friend of mine that we're still in touch now. And

445
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 3: but she she said to me, oh, okay, so when

446
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 3: are you going to be because I said I was

447
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 3: in San Diego and she said, so when are you

448
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 3: going to be in Australia? And I'm like, as soon

449
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 3: as you hired me, I'll be there. I'll be there

450
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 3: like that. I had no idea that it was so

451
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 3: complicated and involved to get a work yeah and all

452
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 3: that and yeah, I don't know, just the magic of

453
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 3: things where.

454
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:15,959
Speaker 1: And it happened.

455
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 3: It happened. I spoke to the managing director. He called

456
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 3: me back. He was intrigued, who was this person with

457
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 3: no reason to be you know? And then he was

458
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 3: coming out for a conference. We met and the deal

459
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 3: was done. He's like, we'll get on it. We're going

460
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 3: to bring you out. This is great, you know. We

461
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 3: love your go get it kind of attitude, you know.

462
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 3: And it happened. And so like a year later, I'd

463
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 3: moved to Australia and I didn't know anyone, but I was.

464
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: Like, in Melbourne, you were in Melbourne.

465
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 3: I went to Melbourne.

466
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then.

467
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Speaker 2: So because also like when I was researching you, because

468
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 2: you were teaching at sixteenth Street.

469
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: But that's obviously got to be down the track for

470
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Speaker 1: the time.

471
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, far down the track. I lived in Australia

472
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 3: for a long time, and you know, I at the

473
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 3: time after I got there, and I still had that

474
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 3: bug for acting, but I didn't really know what to

475
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: do with it. And I started studying with an agent

476
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 3: that I had gone to speak to said you know, well,

477
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 3: if you really want to, you know, do anything with this,

478
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 3: you should do some classes. And I said, yes, where who?

479
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 3: She recommended me to an acting teacher in Melbourne named

480
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: Louise Talmage, and I started working with her in classes.

481
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: And then from there someone recommended Peter Sarti to me,

482
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 3: and I went and started working with him then and

483
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 3: I worked with both of them for years. And then

484
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: when we moved back to back to La years later,

485
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 3: I found out about Evana Chubik and I went and

486
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: met with her. So I had only really worked with

487
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 3: two teachers before. Yeah, but I loved it and I

488
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 3: was doing I ended up doing a lot of commercial

489
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: work in Australia. I did mainly commercial work. I did

490
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: some like industrials and things like that, but I would

491
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 3: get flown up to Sydney because I was doing Spanish

492
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 3: language commercials. Believe it or all they were doing they

493
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 3: would film for the US market, their their Spanish speaking commercials.

494
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but they were doing them in

495
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 3: Australia because I guess it was cheaper on her nose

496
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 3: and there weren't that many people that spoke with a

497
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: perfect you know, yeah, like you know, authentic accent. Mexico's interesting. Yeah.

498
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: So I booked a lot of stuff that way, and

499
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: I loved it more and more and just loved my

500
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 3: classes and was wanting to get into more stuff. And

501
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 3: then we moved back to La and then I started

502
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 3: with Havana and that was like twenty years ago and

503
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 3: so and then I was in her class forever and

504
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: for years. And when I left to head back to

505
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 3: Moben because my husband had a job in Open and

506
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 3: we went back, Evanna introduced me to Kim and she said,

507
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 3: oh God, you've got to get her to teach for you.

508
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: She's brilliant, she knows my technique inside and out. You

509
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 3: need her to be teaching this because at the time,

510
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 3: no one was teaching it in Australia, and so we started

511
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 3: it up and the first thing at sixteen Instagram. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

512
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 3: it's not funny.

513
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: It's so interesting to know now, like I jumped on

514
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: the avant chubbk website and there's so many teachers all

515
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: over the world now that are trained.

516
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: In the technique and can teach it.

517
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: And like I know, even in my experience, like I've

518
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: had three different experiences with three different chubbic teachers. You

519
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: know you're my fav by the way, Well, of course

520
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: you had to say that promise promise, so okay, so

521
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: and then you were teaching him moment Okay, So I'm

522
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: probably my timeline's probably jumping around here. Yeah, but I

523
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: have to ask about John Patrick Shanley because that feels

524
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: like a pinch yourself kind of moments right, So, hang on,

525
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: how many awards is he run? He's written like over

526
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: twenty five different plays.

527
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: Right, Oh god, he's written so many more. Man is prolific.

528
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: I can't even tell you the number of plays he's written,

529
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: but the ones that are really well known. Yeah, I

530
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 3: don't know how many, what the numbers would be to be, yes,

531
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: But no, I mean he's always writing. I mean he

532
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 3: has so many plays no one's ever even seen. They're

533
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: just in, you know, in his mind, in the computer

534
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 3: somewhere or something. But no, he's he's amazing. That was

535
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: a pinch yourself moment from me particularly, well, it would

536
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 3: have been for anybody to be honest, you know, right, King. Yeah,

537
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: Now he's well. I mean he's a Pulitzer, Tony and

538
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: Oscar Award winning playwright, director, he's you know, he's worked

539
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: with the best of the best, from Meryl Streep to

540
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: Tom Hanks, Tomour Hoffman. Oh my god, he's amazing. I

541
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: mean just everybody. You know, he's worked with so many

542
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: le Timothy Shallomy, works with the law and who someone

543
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: the other day that I recently went, oh, I didn't

544
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: realize he'd worked with her, was am Jonny Foster, Amy Adams, Uh,

545
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: Deborah Messing, Yeah, you know, just everybody you know.

546
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: And and I said this to you before his accent.

547
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: That.

548
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: Such, he's a Bronx boy, true and true.

549
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: A hard action, well, a New York based accent's really

550
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: hard for nausea to do. I don't know, you probably

551
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,479
Speaker 2: know that, but it feels really distant and very far away.

552
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: So I heard his and I was like, oh, this

553
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: just feels so amazing to listen.

554
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: It takes you to a place, doesn't it. Yeah, it

555
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: takes you to a play that strong.

556
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: Anyway, I digress. So how did that happen? Because you

557
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: guys have been working together for quite.

558
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: A while now, Yeah, we have been. But how it

559
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: started was in twenty fourteen, I co founded a theater

560
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: company here in LA called Australian Theater Company. And that

561
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: came about because I had a lot of Australian students

562
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: that I had taught back in at sixteen Street and

563
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: other places, and when I came back to LA, a

564
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: lot of them had come to LA for work, so

565
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: they were working here and so it was great because

566
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: I was able to keep coaching them and working with them.

567
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: And one of the things that came up again and

568
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: again was that they would say that they missed being able,

569
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 3: although they loved being here and working and all of that,

570
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 3: and they were fabulous with the American accent. Honestly, it's

571
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: just so impressive every time to me. But they really

572
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 3: missed being able to work in their own language and

573
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: tell their own stories. And you know, just that that

574
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 3: little sort of a community of family. That was that

575
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 3: the Australian actor kind of thing. And you know, I

576
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: heard it from enough people where I thought, there's something

577
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: about this, like we should. You know, why aren't we

578
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: doing Australian plays with Australian actors. There's so many in LA.

579
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many in LA. They're all here,

580
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 3: I think. But and then but I, you know, I

581
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: wasn't thinking about creating a theater company at the time.

582
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: I was coaching and working like that. So but then

583
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: I went to a reading that one of my students

584
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: invited me to she was doing and it was for

585
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: Holding the Man, and it was such a beautiful play.

586
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: I was so and I'd never heard I didn't know

587
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 3: why I wasn't familiar, and I was so deeply moved

588
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 3: by it. And Larry Moss was considering directing it at

589
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: the time, and so he was there and I knew

590
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: him from Sixteenth Street, and so, you know, we were

591
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: chatting and then and I didn't know the actor who

592
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: was playing the lead care and I didn't know I

593
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: knew some of the actors that were reading it. There

594
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: was a few students of mine in it. There's like three,

595
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: I think, and so I was just really impressed, and

596
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: I reached out via email or Instagram or something I

597
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: can't remember, some you know, to the guy that had

598
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: arranged the reading, and he ended up being one of

599
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: the co founders of the theater company. We decided to

600
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: produce this play and Holding the Man, yeah, Holding Man,

601
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: and Larry Mask did end up directing it.

602
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: Everyone listening needs to see. There's also a movie Holding

603
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: the Man.

604
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: Now. Yeah. I came out after we had done the play,

605
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: that's right. Yeah, so incredible, yeah, yeah, and so so

606
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: we just we're going to do this one play and

607
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: then it just did so well. I mean, black box

608
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: theater in Hollywood doesn't get massive attention generally, it doesn't

609
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: get like, you know that on the big scale that

610
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: big theaters do.

611
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: But we because you just explained to me before this

612
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: what black book. I didn't know what black Box theater was.

613
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: So is that do you say ninety nine seats?

614
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, black Box Theater is ninety nine seats, yeah yeah,

615
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: or smaller, Yeah, they're more Yeah, they're intimate houses. So

616
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: they operated under a different rule there. You know, it's

617
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: a smaller theater. The budget is much smaller. Like people

618
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: basically create theater that they that they put their money

619
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: into to be able to make. It's not like there's

620
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: no big budgets or anything like that. Yeah it is.

621
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: It's all it is. And and so this was, yeah,

622
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: black Box Theater, ninety nine seat theater. And what was

623
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: I going to say about that? I've lost my train of.

624
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: Thought holding the man? And then there was four of

625
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: you that created.

626
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: Oh so black Box theater doesn't normally get that attention, right,

627
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: But we ended up getting a ride up in the

628
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: La Times. And I think it was just because Larry

629
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: Moss was the director really and the play was very

630
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: good obviously, Yeah, but we wouldn't have gotten that attention

631
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: if someone else had been directing, I know about for sure.

632
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: But Larry invited some of his friends to come, like

633
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: Jason Alexander came to see it, and you know, gosh,

634
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of all the names.

635
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: But for people listening that don't aren't in acting world,

636
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: Larry Moss is famously linked to Leonardo.

637
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: DiCaprio, Yes, acting coach for everything.

638
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you ever google, yeah, and there's heat

639
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: the heat heat, Yes.

640
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: Nathan Lane, who's the king of Broadway, and yeah, he

641
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: always works with him. You know, lots of people, but yeah,

642
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: Leonardo DiCaprio.

643
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: Is the like.

644
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: So if you hear Larry Moss, you're you're kind of

645
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: like ears prick up.

646
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, But.

647
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: Actors are non actors as well.

648
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: I think people like he's a pretty profound person in that.

649
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: And yeah, this is what made me, when I was

650
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: researching you, get so excited about you working with John

651
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: Patrick Shanley, because I ordered Larry Moss working on Doubt.

652
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, and I was blown.

653
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: Away, like I'd never read the play before. Oh really,

654
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: And so it was my first taste.

655
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: And my first taste is.

656
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: Larry working great, reduced to it, right, And that's when

657
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: I and then when I started researching you, I was like,

658
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: putting all these dots together, it sounds like you've had

659
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: such You've worked with such incredible people.

660
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been very lucky, and I you know, I

661
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: really have. I've worked really hard, but that doesn't always

662
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 3: produce you know that the kind of opportunities that I've had.

663
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people working hard that don't have

664
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: those opportunities. And you know, there's many more I wish

665
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: I had. So it's not but but still I know

666
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: that I've been very lucky. I acknowledge the fact that,

667
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: and I'm so grateful because a lot of times I'm

668
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: pinching myself going, you know why, like you know, why

669
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: do they why?

670
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: Why? Mean? You know, I could also be that weird girl,

671
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: you know, that.

672
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: That quirk and that imagination.

673
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: And I know, like as a student of yours, like

674
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: because like I think acting like there's a component of

675
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: it where you have to be really courageous and kind

676
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: of like face a fear and to have your real

677
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: nurturing nature round it. I know that I'm like, I

678
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: might stuff this up right now, but it's okay, Like

679
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 2: and it's so You've got such a lovely combination of yes, tenacity,

680
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: but there's like a real nurturing side to you too,

681
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: So I think that's and I read a quote where

682
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: you you said, like, my passion is discovering that light

683
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: bulb moment with actors.

684
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: Is that kind of what makes you teach?

685
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: And that Yeah, I love seeing when they're sort of

686
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: looking at you like a deer in the headlights and

687
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: they're just like there's so much information and their heads

688
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: swirling and you know, and you're thinking, oh, gosh, okay,

689
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: this is I need to find a different way in,

690
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: you know, And because ultimately, always it's like if an

691
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: actor is not understanding something, it's my responsibility to make

692
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: sure that they do. Always it's not you know, because

693
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: really they're coming. It's not like they don't want to

694
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: do well. It's not like actors show up and they're like, hey,

695
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: I just want to be like really shit at this,

696
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: and like, you know, they want to. And so if

697
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: they're going there and they're showing up and they're paying

698
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: their money to be there, then my job, my responsibility

699
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: is to make sure that I make it as simple

700
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: as possible for them. And that's not always easy because

701
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: it's not simple. You know, it's multi layered and there's

702
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: a lot to it. But you know, it's I just

703
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 3: I think it's such a gift from me, Like I'm

704
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: the one getting the gift. You know when you see

705
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: that light bulb moment come on where they're like, oh

706
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 3: my god, I just I just got something or like ah, yes,

707
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 3: oh my god, that changes everything, and you're like, yes,

708
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: you know, I want to jump up and celebrate with them.

709
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: But that's also a testament to you as well, because

710
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 2: you're creating a space where they feel safe to try

711
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: new things on.

712
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: Or that's really important to me.

713
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like even I don't know if you remember, we

714
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 2: worked together and I played two different characters.

715
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: And one from the same play.

716
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one came really natural, like I was like, oh,

717
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: that's right. This feels like just putting on a T shirt.

718
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: This feels great. Yeah, And the other one I really

719
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: struggled with, and I felt the opposite to my like

720
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 2: min natural state. And I remember you just said one

721
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: thing at the end and you were like, I can

722
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: feel you could feel that.

723
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: I was stuck.

724
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: I knew you could feel it, and I felt so

725
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: safe to feel like I wasn't getting it, do you

726
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And you asked me one single question,

727
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: like you just said, like, how are you feeling right now?

728
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: How you and I was like, I feel like I

729
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: could fail at this or something, and then you're like

730
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: go and then you just we did.

731
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: The scene ran so much fairer, and it was just

732
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: like one little like it was almost like you.

733
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: Opened a little door that I didn't see was there

734
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: and I just had to be brave enough to step it.

735
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: You were like, come into this little room.

736
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: You're fine, And then it was amazing the feeling afterwards

737
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: because I will say this and I actually read it

738
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: on your Instagram and student gave it as a testimonial.

739
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: But like one side that I never and I wasn't

740
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: playing on talking about this with you today, but one

741
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: side of acting and actors. I don't know if it's

742
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: an Australian thing because that's been my experience with training,

743
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: but like there's a mean side and there's a real

744
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: competitive side, and there's a jealousy side between actors.

745
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.

746
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've definitely experienced it just in training. And

747
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: I noticed someone wrote a beautiful testimonial about you and

748
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: he wrote, Jackie Diamond is the key to the next

749
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: step in nurturing you in this sometimes unkind profession. The

750
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: woman is a pro and that was by a guy

751
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: called Dustin Gullige Gully.

752
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beautiful. I directed him in John Patrick Shanley.

753
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 1: Play There You Go to Cycle, Full Circle.

754
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: And he did John Patrick Shanley Workshop in New York.

755
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: So that's how I met him as he applied for

756
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 3: that did it, and he really, you know, he was

757
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: just such a beautiful and generous actor, and he'd worked

758
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: on Broadway with Tom Hanks. He originated a role in

759
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 3: Nora Efron play and so he you know, he came

760
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: with his own for you know, life, and he was

761
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: amazing to work with in the in the workshop, and

762
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 3: I knew that I wanted to speak to him about

763
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: doing this role when I was going to direct this play.

764
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: How cool?

765
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, And I just I think back to that,

766
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: like it's a testament to you because like I think,

767
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's the Aussie tall poppy thing,

768
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: but I've found it a bit like I remember, there

769
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: are a few times I've put a scene up and

770
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: be really nervous, but at the end of it feels

771
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: so happy that I kind of got outside my comfort

772
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 2: zone and like a like a mate from my class

773
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: would be like, oh, well, you're not a theater girl.

774
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: You didn't do that well and I.

775
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: Was goo, that's terrible, My god, that's awful.

776
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: That stuff can kind of happen a little bit in Australia,

777
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: and I think the media industry in Australia is competitive and.

778
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: Well the market's smaller, tiny, yeah, right, so there is

779
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 3: more competition. You see less of that here.

780
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: Funnily, and I've heard it's the opposite, Like.

781
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 3: People are really excited for you when you do well,

782
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 3: and they're there for you when you don't. It's very different.

783
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: You'll see, you know, we're about to start classes, weekly

784
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: classes and Lawless coming into my class again, and you'll

785
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 3: see it's a really beautiful and welcoming community. I mean,

786
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 3: the actors are there for you. And you know, if

787
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: you feel like you've like oh I didn't get there,

788
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: or you know, my inner work didn't kind of you know,

789
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: didn't really sustain me in this and I wasn't able

790
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: to kind of get where I wanted to go with

791
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 3: it or whatever, they're like, you know, that was great.

792
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: You know you did this and this was great. They'll

793
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 3: pull out the things that you did that they loved,

794
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: and they're really they're just very it's a supportive community.

795
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 3: It's really beautiful.

796
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so excited.

797
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: Like in Australia, when I do a health segment on

798
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: morning TV, you will then get kind of like held

799
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 2: for three months because they've got other nutritionists or health

800
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: professionals that they will put in your place, and they

801
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: don't want the audience to get tired of you and

802
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: then you So I've got a book coming out in

803
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: a few months, and so I'm on what's called.

804
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: A media blackout.

805
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I'm on what's called a media blackout

806
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: right now.

807
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: So I can't even do podcasts.

808
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: As a guest because Australian, because the world is so

809
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: much smaller, you kind of want to save up and

810
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: then be like I'm here right.

811
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: It's so opposite.

812
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: And when I've met with agents here in America, they're like,

813
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: oh no, that's the opposite way. We would say, the

814
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: more that you can do, the more you can spread

815
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 2: your message or.

816
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Be out there. So it's just fascinating.

817
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: And I did have a question here and this is

818
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: now like more generalized acting questions, but do you find

819
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 2: a massive difference between Australian actors and American actors?

820
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: No, I don't find a massive difference between them. But

821
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: I will say that what I loved about Australian actors,

822
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: you know, and I found there was this one difference

823
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: is that Australian actors come more from that British mentality

824
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: of like really studying the classics and doing a conservatory

825
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: type program, whether it's a two year or you know,

826
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: or they study overseas, they go to London, or they

827
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: go to New York and they do like a three

828
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: year program. And so I founded an absolute joy to

829
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: work with Australian actors because they had that sense of

830
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: understanding already there was like a shortcut that you can do.

831
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: You could go in and they understood something about it,

832
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: or they were at least familiar with it, you know.

833
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: You know part of this technique you know at the

834
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 3: studio at of our studio is the minimum is six

835
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: to eight hours rehearsal a week.

836
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he told us that at the start of

837
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: our class. I remember I went in. I did a

838
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: self tape right before I moved here, and I called

839
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: another actor friend. I was like, can we put this

840
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: tape down together. It's gonna be great for both our

841
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: show reels.

842
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: Anyway, like, let's just do it together. I walked in.

843
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 2: I had the full chubby twelve steps written all over

844
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 2: my script down there.

845
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: You know, a little tenacious, but you know, list my.

846
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: Script was like like a lot of gray lead pencil

847
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: going on here, and you know, beats actions, the works, right.

848
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: And I looked at the other actors script and it

849
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: was empty, like it was just the beauty And I thought, oh,

850
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: maybe they keep a clean one for their or but

851
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. And I got into the the self

852
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: tape and I was like, oh my goodness, they've just

853
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: wrote learnt on accent.

854
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: That's all that's happened here.

855
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

856
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: There was no choices, there was nothing that was like

857
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: and it was it was I'd never experienced that before.

858
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying one was better than the other,

859
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: but it made me think I've done all this work.

860
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: But I mean, one is better than the other, to

861
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 3: be honest, because if you've not made any choices about

862
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: the role that you're playing, how can you possibly do

863
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 3: anything that has any real truth to it.

864
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: And it was a really loaded scene, like it was

865
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: a really loaded brother sister like.

866
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 3: It was big it's relationship. I mean, all the best

867
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 3: you know, works are always relationship. Yeah, And the thing

868
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 3: is that's it's a strange thing. You know, this learning

869
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: by rote and memorizing everything. I have found, you know,

870
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: because I thought that too, you know, back when I

871
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 3: was first kind of to memorize all my life. And

872
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: you know what I found over many, many years of

873
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: working doing this is that you don't need to worry

874
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: about memorizing your lines if you do the work totally.

875
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: Because if you're doing the work, you're absorbing them as

876
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: you're going, and you'll find by the end of it

877
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: you pretty much know it. I mean, you might want

878
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 3: to run it through and run lines for a bit

879
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: to kind of just whatever, but the lines, the lines

880
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: will come through the work. Because the thing is you're

881
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: also making choices as you go through the work. So

882
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: as you're making choices, you're having to personalize things. And

883
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 3: so when you're reading a certain section, you've already personalized

884
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: it with certain things that will make you connected that

885
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: there will it's a way in for you, right, So

886
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: you've had to really look at that and think about it,

887
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: and you know, make strong choices and do all of

888
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: that kind of inner work. So by the time you

889
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: finished you're like, well, already know it totally.

890
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you.

891
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: So don't go Yeah. I think that's the thing is

892
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: like people go back to front. They're like, I'm going

893
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 3: to memorize the lines and then I'm going to maybe

894
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 3: do some work on it. And it's like, don't worry

895
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: about memorizing your lines. Do the work, and then at

896
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: the end you might need a little brush up on

897
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 3: the lines, but for the most part, you'll have them.

898
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree with you. There's a mistake that

899
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: I always make, so I'm excited to ask about like

900
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: mistakes that you see that are common with actors but

901
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: for me. So yes, I'll do all that work. But

902
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: when I do all that work, I'll hold on really tight.

903
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: So that twelve step in the Ivana Chubbik technique, which

904
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: is go let it go.

905
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm not so good at that, Jackie.

906
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hold I'm not surprised, and I'll tell you why,

907
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: because you are so good at so many different things

908
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: that you do which require you to be very structured.

909
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 3: You know, You're like you do things one, two, three, four, five,

910
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 3: and you make sure every box is checked, and you

911
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: know that's what makes you well. One of the things

912
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: that makes you so successful at all the different things

913
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: that you do. And that's great, but it's it's the

914
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: hardest thing to let go of. You know, you have

915
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: to be able to let it go because otherwise you

916
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 3: do all this beautiful work and then you still living

917
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: in it. And that means when you get up to

918
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: do to perform, whether it's you know, whether it's in

919
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: class or whether you're actually like on the stage or

920
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: on set or whatever, we're going to see the wheels

921
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 3: turning because we're going to see you thinking about, oh, okay,

922
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: so right now I'm gonna have this behavior or I've

923
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 3: written this down, and so then it feels choreographed and

924
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: it feels really unnatural. And I've had a lot of

925
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: actors say like, oh, I don't want to make all

926
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: those choices because I want to just kind of go

927
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: with the flow and the vibe. I don't want to

928
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: think about it. It's like no, no, no, no, you

929
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 3: do think about it, and you do write down as

930
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: many possibilities as possible, because that will allow you to

931
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: be able to have the freedom to just see what

932
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: comes organically in the moment. But you've got to have

933
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 3: the work in place. To be able to let it go.

934
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: Some people do all this beautiful work and they can't

935
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: let it go, Like you were saying, a lot of

936
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: people struggle with that. That twelfth step is actually really

937
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 3: really hard for a lot of people. They're letting it

938
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: go because they've done all this work. They want to

939
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 3: It's like, well, I'm not throwing it away. I worked

940
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: hard for this, you know, so they want to hang

941
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: on to it tooth and nail. But then there's the

942
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: opposite too. There's people who are like, yeah, I'm just

943
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: going to let it all go, but they haven't done

944
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: the work. You haven't done the work, you can't.

945
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: Let it go, you know.

946
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: I got a wonderful note one day, and it was

947
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: so hard to swallow, but it totally fit me to

948
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: stop trying so hard. And I was like, oh, that's

949
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: the hardest thing to hear, but it was so perfect

950
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: because I was like, no one needs to see all

951
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: the work you've done, Lola, Like it's in your bones,

952
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: like it's with you. You don't need to be like

953
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: look at what I've done. It's like you need to

954
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: trust in what you've done.

955
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually shared. I think it was

956
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 3: to my story. A couple of weeks ago a quote

957
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: that I saw that I really I really loved because

958
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: it's the truth, you know, about what so many actors

959
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: go through. And it was something along the lines of,

960
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 3: and I wish I could remember it perfectly, but it

961
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: was something along the lines of, people don't begin to

962
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: understand the amount of work that you do as an actor.

963
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: They just you know, yeah, it's there, right, They don't

964
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 3: understand what it takes. Yeah, and they shouldn't. Yeah, right,

965
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: and they shouldn't. I mean, the work should be the work.

966
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: Doing all that work allows you if you're really doing

967
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: the work and you're really going for it, right, it

968
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: allows you to be effortless. Of course, that's why the

969
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 3: best it's like, oh god, they make it look so easy,

970
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: and you're like, this couldn't be further from the truth.

971
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: You know, it's a skill, it's a craft. They make

972
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: it look easy because people who master their craft make

973
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: it look that way, but they work really hard to

974
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 3: make it look And that's not even just as an actor. Right,

975
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: you see a great cellist playing, you're like, oh my god,

976
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: it's just like floating through the air. Oh, that took

977
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: years of every day.

978
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: You'll make it me so excited for class. I do

979
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: this thing where I can't believe I'm admitting this to you,

980
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 2: but I do this thing where I'm like, oh, maybe

981
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: maybe maybe my bones is to be a TV host

982
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: because acting is really scary, and it's this protection thing

983
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: I think I do. So now I'm like, you've made

984
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: me so hungry. Another thing you play on Instagram I

985
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: love And it's.

986
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: A lot of my Instagram's making such.

987
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: A moment, it'll be tagged, it'll be tagged in the

988
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: show notes. But well, it's how I research a lot

989
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: of people because it's a creative and visual way that

990
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: people share themselves.

991
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: That's true.

992
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: And this was a quote that said every master was

993
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: once a beginner.

994
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: Now I want to know, and I've asked this, and

995
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of teachers speak to this, but

996
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: how much is hard.

997
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: Work and how much is natural talent?

998
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: Hmmm? I think most of it is hard work, to

999
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: be honest with you, I think there is natural talent, absolutely.

1000
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: I mean, some people just have an affinity and it's

1001
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: just integral to who they are. Right, they're doing things

1002
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: before they know what they're doing. Yeah, I mean, I'm

1003
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: not saying I'm a master at anything. But you know,

1004
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 3: like I was saying about I was doing stuff, I

1005
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: didn't know that's what that was. It was acting, you know,

1006
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: make believe in creating stories and doing things, and people

1007
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: are just drawn to certain things from a very early age.

1008
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 3: But I think that you know, you have a certain spark.

1009
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: We all have it for something, and sometimes people spend

1010
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: their whole lives trying to find exactly what that spark is.

1011
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: But we all have something. You know, there's something in

1012
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,959
Speaker 3: our spirit that makes us have a purpose in life.

1013
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: It gives us purpose, right, so you know, there's that thing,

1014
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: But it doesn't matter if you have it, if you

1015
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,959
Speaker 3: don't do the work, if you don't do anything with it.

1016
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 3: You know, do you know how many great talented, brilliant

1017
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: people there in the world who are you know, just

1018
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 3: doing jobs they're not really fulfilled in that they don't

1019
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 3: really love because they're like, look, I could, but it

1020
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: would just be so hard and I just don't have

1021
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: the time. And it's like, you make the time if

1022
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 3: it matters to you, you know, you do. I mean,

1023
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people who are very successful now

1024
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: who you know, put in the hard work very very

1025
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: early on. Yeh, when it didn't make sense and they

1026
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: didn't have the time, and they didn't have the support,

1027
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: and they didn't have, you know, the right geographical location

1028
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: to be able to do. You know, they just weren't

1029
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 3: in ideal circumstances. But it mattered enough that they did

1030
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: whatever they did, whether it was working two jobs and

1031
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 3: then going into class, or or you know, volunteering your

1032
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 3: time in class to get a free class when you

1033
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 3: couldn't afford it, or you know, whatever it was. People

1034
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: find their way around it and they do it and

1035
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 3: they make it work. And sometimes it means you're not

1036
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: getting as much sleep, But hey, what are your twenties four? Right?

1037
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jackie Diamond, you are such a wonderful human being.

1038
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: So if people know more about you, I'm going to

1039
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 2: put for the actor in the show notes. But also

1040
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: if Ozzie's are coming to LA and want to take

1041
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: a lesson or where do you teach?

1042
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: I teach at Avana Chubvik Studios in Hollywood, and you

1043
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: can go on the Avana Chebk website. Oh link it, yeah,

1044
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: and you can go on there and check out classes.

1045
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: You can also check out my website for the actor

1046
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 3: because I do also do private coaching, yes, and so

1047
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 3: there's lots of possibilities, you know. But the classes are

1048
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: weekly in Hollywood, so.

1049
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: I cannot wait.

1050
00:49:59,680 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1051
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: Great, and that it's on Melrose Ride everything, and it's

1052
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: it's a really great community.

1053
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 3: I mean, look, we it's it's you're working there. There's

1054
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: work to be done, but it's in a very loving,

1055
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: supportive environment. My thing with factors is always like being

1056
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 3: conscious of what we're asking of them, you know. And

1057
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 3: I was reminded of it recently, what we're asking of them.

1058
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 3: So I know that they're putting in a lot. It

1059
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: takes a lot for them to be there. So I

1060
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: want to make sure that I'm of service. You know,

1061
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 3: that I'm valuable to them that I can do, you know,

1062
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 3: shed some light and guide them in something. So you

1063
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: know it's come and do the things and fall on

1064
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: your face and know that you're going to be supported

1065
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 3: and loved and encouraged.

1066
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 2: Oh I love it. I saw this on your page

1067
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: as well. This is a John Patrick Shanley quote. You

1068
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: must find the courage in yourself in order to move

1069
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: forward in life. It's a muscle and be exercised first

1070
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: a little and then.

1071
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: More and more.

1072
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1073
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: Right, that makes me feel it's so excited to say.

1074
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: And there's another part to that quote that says, uh,

1075
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: I think it's a deep breath or a big breath,

1076
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: A deep breath and a leap. Yeah, and so that's

1077
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 3: where we are right, taking big leaps, big deep breaths

1078
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: and leaping.

1079
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: Let's do it, my friends.

1080
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're already doing it. Look at you here in la.

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Speaker 1: I love it well. I'm honored to be your student.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I cannot wait to see what comes next.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, big love. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 2: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 2: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollaberry. This potty my word

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Speaker 2: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love

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Speaker 2: it if you could subscribe, rate and comment, and of

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Speaker 2: course spread the love.