1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast. It is not afraid to 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: say exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy, Kate 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: and Sophie Torbah. We're identical triplets, but we often don't 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: covers all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: That is so fatch. 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Thank you, Welcome to Outspoken Now. I wanted to kick 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: off today's episode by talking about TikTok's latest trend. 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: So it's called the clean look. And I feel like 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: we have. 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: Been talking about this specific look for the last ten 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: years because it's a very enviable look that some people 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: just managed to pull off. And I feel like for 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: us three in particular, I always look grubby. I'm always 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: being told I have stains down my top that got 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: food on my face. So I really admire those who 17 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: can pull off this look. It is funny because when 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: we do go out to meeting Sophie, I feel like 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: you and I are in the car, We're trying to 20 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: get kat fur off ourselves, We're trying to get makeup 21 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: off your top. 22 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 2: We are not doing the clean look. 23 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 3: Well. 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: I absolutely love publication the cults explanation of this trend, 25 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: so they say that the trend socializes in the same 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: sort of circles as the models of duty and also 27 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: the fresh face people. So it's typically worn by that 28 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: girl who we've spoken about before, and it exudes a 29 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: main character energy. And I feel like this description couldn't 30 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: get any more twenty twenty. 31 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 2: I love it. 32 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: What exudes a main character energy? 33 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: Have you not heard of a main character? 34 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: No? So basically it's this philosophy that with all these 35 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: different social media platforms that we have, we can be 36 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: our own main character in our own lives. So you're 37 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: either a main character or a behind the scenes character. 38 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: So if you're someone who's really into yourself, yeah, you 39 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: exude a main character vibe because all the drama is 40 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: always happening to you. Is that a full, good enough explanation, Kate. 41 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, But I also. 42 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: Think that everyone's the main character in that way, but 43 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: it's more about embracing it and being a main character 44 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: in other people's lives. I think we're just getting back 45 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: to the trend. This look is typically warm by a 46 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: person who has a very symmetrical face, great skin, and 47 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: also who is styled by accessories in a way that 48 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: look very effortless expensive in pristine now that usually is 49 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: minimalistic gold jewelry. If we're going to be quite specific 50 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: about it. So you're Sarah and Sebastian type neckclaces Sophie 51 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: that you like wearing. Well, apparently they also have a 52 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: particular makeup look. So it's very dewy makeup. It's also 53 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: makeup that is strategically placed to make it look like 54 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: you're not wearing makeup, So it's fluffy, feathered eyebrows and 55 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: very flushed cheeks. I I love this makeup look, but 56 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: I can't get away with it. I'm a matte makeup 57 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: all the way. Sorry, I cannot stand the fluffy eyebrow look. 58 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: Oh I don't like that, but I mean I like 59 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: the sort of glowy makeup trend. 60 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 2: It corrects me up that the. 61 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: Feathery eyebrow look is meant to be natural, when it's 62 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: the last thing I think of when I think of natural, 63 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: because it's so obvious that, you know, lamination technique is 64 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: far from natural. The best way to describe this look 65 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: I feel like is you know when boys say, oh, 66 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: I love a girl who doesn't wear any makeup, it's 67 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: what the girl actually looks like who does have very 68 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: subtle makeup on. Do you know what, though, this trend 69 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: has been taken up and not because it's not just 70 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: about your face, it's also about your whole vibe. So 71 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: the look is framed by the gen zea middle part 72 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: and also Kate, as you touched on, is successorized with 73 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: minimalistic gold jewelry paired with neutral monochrome clothing, so there's 74 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: a full vibe going on if you want to achieve 75 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: this clean girl look. And basically the queen of the 76 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: clean girl look is Hailey Biebert. Do you know what 77 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: when you first said this clean look, because I had 78 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: never heard about it until he started recording this podcast, 79 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: I actually thought you were referring to you know, when 80 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: a guy looks really really clean, it looks like he's 81 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: just showered. 82 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: I actually thought that was the look. He meant, like 83 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: you've stepped out there? Is that it's for girls? 84 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: No, But I think it's underpinned by being effortless and 85 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: you have to look this clean look all the time, 86 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: So whenever you see a person, they always look like this. 87 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: Well you never see them in dirty cloth, so they 88 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: don't look smelly. 89 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: Well this trend, but it's not about that. It's not 90 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: about that. 91 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: It's it's it's more than just the clean in terms 92 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: of hygiene. 93 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: It's more of an esthetic. 94 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: You wear certain clothes, you have a vibe about you well. 95 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: This trend actually started earlier in the year when a 96 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: TikTok user began asking the public if they looked musty 97 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: or clean, and as you can imagine, the trend ended 98 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: up being a little bit problematic. But it's really picked 99 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: up pace in recent months and been made more acceptable 100 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: to want to pursue this trend. And someone who's described 101 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: as an off duty model, Eva Rankin, she replied to 102 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: a comment that was left on her TikTok a couple 103 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: of weeks ago that simply read, you look so clean. 104 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: So in response to that comment, she put up a 105 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: whole beauty tutorial that now has one point three million 106 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: views to demonstrate how to get this look, and it 107 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: involved a lot of beauty products, a lot of skin 108 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: care products, a lot of work to look effortless. I 109 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: think it's a lifestyle as well, because you have to 110 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: put out a lot of money, I think to get 111 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: the right clean looking clothes you then have to be 112 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: on top of washing them, you have to be on 113 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: top of ironing them. 114 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: It's not easy and I don't think. 115 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: I could ever adopt this look full time. Has it 116 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: inspired anyone else to try and be a bit more clean? 117 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: Like I kind of want to get on it. Like 118 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: Sofa and I we had this joke that all of 119 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: our hoodies had oil stains on it, and I had 120 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: to teach Sophie how to get a point. It's not 121 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: about actually having clean clothes. 122 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: I think you're missing. But it's a star. 123 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: There's an element to be actually clean as well. 124 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: But it's so much more than that. It's so much 125 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: more to get it. 126 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: But just starting from the basics, all right, I'm going 127 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: to give you a minute, But I'm saying, if so 128 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: and I starting from the basics, we just need to 129 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: clean our clothes properly. Well yeah, I think that would 130 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: be like a number one hygiene rule to have clean clothes, 131 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: Like I don't. I think you're really starting from the 132 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: absolute bottom. If that's your your aim. 133 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: It's Frida fu but fuck a whole lot of them up. 134 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: Last week, Sharon Orvile threatened to deactivate her Instagram account 135 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: over what she calls relentless bulling and harassment of her 136 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: and her family. The Orvil's matriarch refused to leave the 137 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: platform quietly, though, giving trolls a final ultimatum. Now, Amy, 138 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: before we get into all of the drama. For those 139 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: who don't know who is Sharon Orvile, Well, I think 140 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: Sharon Orvile's best known for being Angry Dad's wife. So 141 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: her husband Mark Orvill, rose to fame when his son 142 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: Mitch sheard his outrageous reactions to pranks he pulled on him. 143 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: So Sharon's now an influencer in her own right. She's 144 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: got seventy thousand followers, and she also has her own 145 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: supplement company and is an ambassador for bully zero. Now, 146 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: so can you actually break down for us what occurred 147 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: on Monday? Yeah, Well, Sharon shared an eleven minute video 148 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: on Instagram where she essentially said that she had had 149 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: enough of the relentless bulling and harassment leveled at her 150 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: and her family. She said she is leaving the platform 151 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: to put her mental health and happiness first. She explained 152 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: that she had been bullied as a child and had 153 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: only just finally come to a point in her life 154 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: when she was feeling strong and. 155 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: Good about herself. 156 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: She also put Instagram on blast, saying she doesn't want 157 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: to be part of a platform that does nothing about bulling. Now, 158 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: I think it's important to provide some contacts around these 159 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: bulling allegations. 160 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: Kate, can you tell us more about them? 161 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: Well, the Orvils were once a much loved influencer family. However, 162 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: I think sentiment towards them really started to shift this 163 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: year when their alleged anti vax views came to light. 164 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: And while I do think the criticism leveled at them 165 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 1: for spreading this medical misinformation and flouting COVID rules is valid, 166 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: I feel like it's at a stage where it's all 167 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: gone a little bit too far. I have noticed that 168 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: every time the Orvils or Zeps do anything, they are 169 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: highly criticized, and last week one anonymous influencer Watchdog account 170 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: cross the line majorly so. In a Q and A, 171 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: they shared some unfound and very personal rumors about the 172 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: family that the Orvils deemed as disgusting, filthy, and a lie. 173 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: They also called it defamatory. Now we're not going to 174 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: repeat what was said, as we don't want to be 175 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: a part of spreading this defamatory information. So as well 176 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: as these anonymous influencer watchdog style Instagram pages, Sharon also 177 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: named the Facebook gossip group Tea Time as a perpetrator 178 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: for harassing her family. And it's really interesting because a 179 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: couple of months ago, the admin of the group made 180 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: an announcement that they were no longer going to discuss 181 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: influencers in their group and stick just to celebrities, and 182 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: it really makes you think what is going on behind 183 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: the scenes within that group. Now getting back to this video, 184 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: it sounded like Sharon has been talking to a lawyer 185 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: because she made a lot of references to defamation and 186 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: the liability Instagram and Facebook group account owners have for 187 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: moderating comments. So she did speak a lot about the 188 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: fact that her. 189 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: And her family's businesses have been affected. 190 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: And if you want to find out a bit more 191 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: about defamation, we're going to put a link in our 192 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: show notes to the episode where we had media lawyer 193 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: John Laxon talking about defamation. But basically in that episode, 194 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: John explained that in order to successfully sue someone for defamation, 195 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: you have to be able to prove that you have 196 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: been financially affected by the comments. So I think these 197 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: comments around business losses is very telling at the moment. Now, 198 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: this video on Sharon's page, it took quite a twist 199 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: in the cave. Yeah, I personally didn't see this coming 200 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: because Sharon had spent a lot of the video talking 201 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: about how she uses her platform to spread kindness and 202 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: to help people with mental health issues, and she also 203 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: spoke about her work she does with Bully Zero, so 204 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: despital of this though, Sharon gave a twenty four hour 205 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: ultimatum to the people she deemed had bullied her. 206 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: This is what she said. 207 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 4: I've just got to the point where I don't think 208 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 4: it's worth it for my mental health anymore. And unfortunately, 209 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: I've made a decision that I'm no longer going to 210 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 4: continue with Instagram what I would like to do. I 211 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: have also decided that whilst I don't advocate anybody reposting 212 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 4: horrible comments that people are making, I've also decided that 213 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 4: if you feel girls that it's okay to post these 214 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 4: things and make these comments publicly in a group of 215 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: twenty thousand followers, then you're obviously okay with me posting 216 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 4: these things out into the public as well, or you 217 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 4: wouldn't be publicly posting these things. So I'm going to 218 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 4: give each and every one of you. I have screenshots 219 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 4: going back through all of these groups of every single 220 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 4: one of you your Instagram handles, what you have said, 221 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 4: the lies you have perpetuated, and the hurt that you 222 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 4: are causing us and our businesses. I'm going to give 223 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 4: you twenty four hours to send me a DM to 224 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 4: apologize to me and say that you understand how this 225 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 4: can actually really hurt people. You know, people commit suicide 226 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: because of mental anguish and torment caused by bullies. 227 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: So after twenty four hours, Sharon followed through with the 228 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: naming and shaming, but it wasn't actually directed at individuals. Rather, 229 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: it was directed at anonymous influencer watchdog accounts as well 230 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: as Facebook gossip group Tea Time. Amongst the anonymous accounts 231 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: were Influencer Goss and Influencers in Trouble, which have both 232 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: deactivated their profiles. So Sharon also called out Influencer Updates Au, 233 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: which really surprised me because this is the only page 234 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: that isn't run by an anonymous person and the account 235 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: is literally based on providing influencer style news and I 236 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: don't deem any of what influencer updates AU says as 237 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: being defamatory in any way. She literally just says what 238 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: has happened. She doesn't add her own personal thoughts to it. 239 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: I feel like her updates are always a bit upbeat 240 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: as well. It's nothing ever menacing or bulling of nature. 241 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: It's just, as you say, a bit of fun what 242 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: these influencers have been up to. 243 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: She doesn't put her own opinion across I do you wonder. 244 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: If Sharon named that page in particular, not due to 245 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: the content that is shared, but the commentary that goes 246 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: underneath the post, because she did make a big point 247 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: of talking about how the person that runs these accounts 248 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: are liable for the comments posted underneath. Do you guys 249 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: think it's a little bit hypocritical though, to say that 250 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: she doesn't like that people are calling her out, but 251 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: then to go and call out accounts because in regards 252 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: to influence as update AU, I feel like it's quite 253 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: personal because that's a one man band. 254 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 255 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: I think that's where Sharon lost me because I really 256 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: felt for her and her family when she was talking 257 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: about the personal toll this sort of relentless bullying had 258 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: on her because As I said before, I do think 259 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: it's gone too far. She did sound very distressed, and 260 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: the fact that she reminded people that a lot of 261 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: her family members suffer with mental health issues, I just 262 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: think it shows that the impact must be quite big 263 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: on them. And I do want to flag we have 264 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: been active in calling the orvile and zeps out over 265 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: their COVID views, but for me, that's calling out their action, 266 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: not them as people, and I think it's really important 267 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: to play the issue and not the person. People have 268 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: begun demonizing the orvils and zeps because of their COVID 269 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: views and it suddenly turned into a bit of a 270 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: free for all and a pile on where they can't 271 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: do anything right. And I think this has all been 272 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: made worse with these anonymous influencer accounts popping up and 273 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: posting whatever they say, because I think there's a big 274 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: difference between an account like celeb spellcheck, which you can 275 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: tell us run by someone who has media experience and 276 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: is intelligent, as opposed to some of these other accounts 277 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: that appear to be run by teenagers who have no 278 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: understanding of any of the legal ramifications for their content. 279 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: And I do think that it's a lot different when 280 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: you put your face and name to something. Because obviously 281 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: we have a podcast where we talk about influencer behavior, 282 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: and if we could be anonymous and say whatever we 283 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: like and without thinking that this is going to come 284 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: back on us, I'm sure we would talk quite differently 285 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: about things. But obviously, when your face and name are 286 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: to something, you have to be careful about what you say. 287 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: It's so true because there is such a complete lack 288 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: of ability when your comments aren't put with your name, 289 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: because you feel like you can say whatever you want, 290 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: that you are untouchable. And what we are finding is 291 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: it is very difficult to sue people who remain anonymous online. Yeah, 292 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: I totally agree, So I do feel for the Orvils 293 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: in that sense. However, as you said, Amy, it did 294 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: seem very hypocritical when Sharon began threatening to name and 295 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: shame people if they didn't apologize to her, because I 296 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: feel like demanding an apology came across as a little 297 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: bit childish and it's not like you're going to get 298 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: a genuine apology from doing that. Well, it's not really 299 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: the apology she's after. Its more people admitting that they 300 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: are in the wrong. Well, do you think that's also 301 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: the case because a lot of those accounts, so the 302 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: two accounts in question ended up deactivating their accounts. Do 303 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: you think it was a clever way for Sharon to 304 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: get people to remove this defamatory content off the internet 305 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: because everyone was probably scrambling thinking, oh shit, I better 306 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: get rid of this because it's going to just be reposted. 307 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: I definitely think so. 308 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: And so if you also mentioned about the fact that 309 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: Sharon was using a few legal terms, I I feel 310 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: like she's gone to the lawyer and realize there's not 311 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: really much basis to sue, so she's then using this 312 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: legal jargon, perhaps to scare people into removing the content 313 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: as you suggest it, or even not the fact that 314 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: she has no right to sue or no legal basis, 315 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: the fact that it's so expensive and such a lengthy 316 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: process to actually undertake suing someone. I did find it 317 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: interesting how Sharon put Instagram on blast because to me, 318 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: it kind of seemed like she was biting the hand 319 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: that feeds her and her family. What did you guys 320 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: think about that? 321 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 4: Yeah? 322 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: I agree, I think it was a really bizarre move 323 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: considering all the opportunities her family have been afforded through Instagram. 324 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: It seemed like a bit of a dummy spit in 325 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: some ways because Instagram wouldn't do what they wanted them 326 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: to do. Well. Just playing Devil's advocate here, though, I 327 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: do think that Instagram has to catch up to what's 328 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: happening at the moment because there's so much trolling and 329 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: bulling that happens on these platforms, and they kind of 330 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: just wash their hands of it a lot of the 331 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: time and don't take much action. You know, they get 332 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: rid of lives. They do these things to pretend that 333 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: they care about people's mental health, but not a lot 334 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: seems to actually happen to help people. Will They have 335 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: brought in that button where if you block someone, it 336 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: blocks all the accounts that they make up, But I 337 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: wonder how successful that is. I suppose the issue is 338 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: that she can block the people, but they can then 339 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: keep making up these new anonymous accounts. 340 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: To spread hate about them. 341 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: The thing that really confused me about this whole thing, though, 342 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: is at the time of recording, Sharon's Instagram account is 343 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: still there. She hasn't deactivated it, even though she's had 344 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: quite a few goodbye messages. Someone said she's like John 345 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Farnham and just keeps having goodbys. What do you guys 346 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: think about that? Because she started to backtrack. First she 347 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: said she was going off the platform for good because 348 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: she doesn't believe in it, and then she sort of 349 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: slipped in, oh, but you can find me on my 350 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: business platform, and then suddenly her page is still there. 351 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: Do you think she'll actually delete it? 352 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: I think if she does delete it, it will only be 353 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks until everyone sort of forgets 354 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: that she left the platform. 355 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: I do find a. 356 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: Bit of a samd frost, Yeah, definitely. I find it 357 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: fascinating though that this media attention towards the Orvils does 358 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: seem to have damaged their brand financially. Yeah, she did 359 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: keep throwing the word around that. You know, she and 360 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: her family have businesses that are being affected, and we 361 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: did speak about in an episode a couple of months 362 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: ago about how people were throwing their ZEP active wear 363 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: in the bin and Chloe hasn't been selling out of 364 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: her stock like she used to do. It would be 365 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: really hard for a lawyer, though, to look at that 366 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: and say, okay, yep, that's definitely because of this information 367 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: that this anonymous account has put out because it seems 368 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: like a culbination of negativity around their COVID views and 369 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: people no longer actually wanting to support influences so much like. 370 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 2: They used to a couple of you. 371 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, you have 372 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: to take accountability for their own views that you put 373 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: out on Instagram. And a lot of the backlash towards 374 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: Chloe and her brand has been because of some of 375 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: the comments she's been making online and in regards to Zepp. 376 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: It would also be brands that don't want to work 377 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: with her and Mitchell and align themselves with those sort 378 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: of views that they have allegedly been putting out there. 379 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: I mean, we work in pr and if a client 380 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: was to approach us saying that they wanted to align 381 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: with them, I'd be saying steer clear of them for 382 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: a very long time. I do feel like there could 383 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: be a redemption story in all of this, though, because 384 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 1: people did love Chloe and Mitch and the Orville family. 385 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: They were kind of like Australia's influence or royalty, and 386 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: I could see them coming back. I could see once 387 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: everything's sort of settled down in Australia and tensions aren't 388 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: so high around the pandemic that they may be able 389 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: to reinvent themselves. 390 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 2: I have noticed that Chloe. 391 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: And Mitch have been really quiet on their Instagram as well, 392 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: and I think that might be strategic well, because every 393 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: time they post something there's an issue with it. I 394 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: feel like that's why they're not posting as much anymore. 395 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: They post a lot about Ardi, though. I think that 396 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: Artie is their key to get back into favor, and 397 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: possibly if Chloe has another pregnancy, people may jump back 398 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: on board the awful and zep train. 399 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 3: Vinces Royal does not eat grapes, strawbers, no orange, ne guava, 400 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: no like you, no parmigrant is a passion fru great fruit, 401 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: no good Fritz Blacks, no Benga, no pitch, no pineapple, 402 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 3: no apple. Yes. 403 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: Chrissy Teagan has been labeled tone deaf after she and 404 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: husband John Legend hosted a Squid Game theme party. Now 405 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: Amy tell us more about this party. Well, Chrissy hired 406 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: award winning event planner Wife of the Party, who transformed 407 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: her home into the set. 408 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: Of Squid Game. 409 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: So there were bunk beds, a maze staircase, and even 410 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: a piggy bank stuffed with cash. So some of the 411 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: famous faces who were at the party included Pretty Little 412 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: Liars star Shane Mitchell and Jesse Tyler Ferguson, and there 413 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: was no expense spared. All the guests were served honeycomb 414 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: toffee treats reminiscent of one of the iconic challenges shown 415 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: in the Netflix show This doesn't this sounds like quite 416 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: a cool party. I don't understand and why it was 417 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 1: being labeled as tone deaf. Well, a lot of people 418 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: said the party was tone deaf because it was a 419 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 1: lot of rich people in la who were holding this party, 420 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: when actually the characters in the show Squid Game are 421 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: people who are poor who were literally risking their life 422 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 1: to try and win the game. So Christy went on 423 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: Instagram and she shared a couple of snaps of the 424 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: party and she wrote, where do I even begin? What 425 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: an absolutely epic night my dreams came true of watching 426 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: my friend's fight to the death. So one follower was 427 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: quick to call out the mother of two. She wrote, 428 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry rich people are literally so tone deaf. Another wrote, 429 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: Squid Game was literally about the people whose lives were 430 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: so awful because of being poor that they'd rather play 431 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: a game of literal life or death to escape going 432 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 1: back to poverty, and Chrissy Teagan is really reenacting it 433 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: in her mansion. I think that's a bit of a stretch. 434 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I disagree with those comments. It's a hugely 435 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: popular television show. People have been known to dress up 436 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: as characters from TV shows of all different walks of life. 437 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: I think the fact that Chrissy is such a divisive 438 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: figure is why people are having an issue with this. 439 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: It's exactly right because Chrissy has been called out in 440 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: the past for being tone deaf when it comes to 441 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: displaying her wealth. So earlier this year, Christy took to 442 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: Twitter to joke about the time she and her husband 443 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: John Legend accidentally ordered a thirteen thousand dollars bottle of wine, 444 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: and it didn't land well with Twitter followers. 445 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 2: Everybody believed it was extremely. 446 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: Tone deaf of her to share such information online, especially 447 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: when people were struggling losing their livelihoods during the pandemic. 448 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I can understand people being a bit more 449 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: outraged about that, but I think that we're kind of 450 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: clutching at straws when we're criticizing someone for having a 451 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: squid game themed party at their house. 452 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 5: Hello guys, and welcome to till vacuum do us part. 453 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 5: So here in Oklahoma, we had some very rainy days 454 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 5: and so it just inspired me to do a very 455 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 5: satisfying and relaxing. 456 00:21:59,480 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: Clean with Me. 457 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: So on the weekend, I unwittingly delved into the world 458 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: of Clean with Me videos with a Christmas twist. Now, 459 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: in the videos, women cleaned their homes and then set 460 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: up the Christmas decorations. And at the time I was 461 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: being really lazy, so I just let the video roll. 462 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: So within no time, I had watched a woman pack 463 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: away her Halloween decorations in her kitchen in double time, 464 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: and then clean the dishes, wipe down the benchtop, clean 465 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: the coffee machine, and organized draws. Then it was time 466 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: for her to set up the Christmas decorations. 467 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 2: Now I could not believe. 468 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: I sat and watched this for like forty minutes, and 469 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: I was captivated. It was very entertaining. Can you, Sophie 470 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: explain to people who haven't seen them what Clean with 471 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: Me videos actually are? Well? Clean with Me is a 472 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: small but popular genre of YouTube videos featuring mummy bloggers 473 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: and lifestyle influences, and the videos almost exclusively feature women, 474 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: often mums, completing the most mundane household tasks that most 475 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: of us. 476 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 2: Do every week. 477 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: So the vision is usually sped up on double and 478 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: triple play and features voiceovers from the women providing motivation, tips, 479 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: product endorsements, and also self deprecating comments about the state 480 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: of their houses, which we can all relate to. And 481 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: I feel like what people love about the videos is 482 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: they have just enough of that personal and voyeuristic touch 483 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: that lifestyle vlogging also has. And as you said, Kate, 484 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm hooked on these videos. I find them so therapeutic 485 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, when you do watch these, you notice 486 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: that there's a bit of a defining feature when it 487 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: comes to the women who appear in this style of 488 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: YouTube video. So the first feature is that they always 489 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: live in a mansion with a gray colored L shaped 490 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: couch Like you could literally bet your bottom dollar they 491 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: have this type of couch. Secondly, they're usually American and 492 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: other typical housewife with traditional values. However, there's always a 493 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: little bit of a twist because while they have chosen 494 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: to stay home with their kids, they still contribute financially 495 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: to the household virus, side hustle, or monetizing their YouTube 496 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: account now. So in most cases the women are young, attractive, 497 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: and the key to the success of these type of 498 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: influences is authenticity. So they have to be honest with 499 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: their struggles and have to have a lot of sentences 500 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: starting with I love being a mum, but that's a thing. 501 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: It would be quite well, I'd find it quite difficult 502 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: to put out the before shot of my house. I mean, 503 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: for instance, I was sending you on Snapchat the other 504 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: day the after of how much I'd clean my room 505 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: and how. 506 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: Beautiful it looked. 507 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: But even to you, I felt a shame to send 508 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: you the reality of what the room looked like before. 509 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. 510 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: And while authenticity is important, there really is an element 511 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: of a bit of gas lighting and creating a bit 512 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: of an illusion because you can tell that the women 513 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: are trying to dress down. 514 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: They're China. 515 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: Do I suppose that clean look that we were talking 516 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: about before, where they're you know, they're wearing designer active 517 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: web and they've got a full face of makeup when 518 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: they clean. However, they are cleaning, so they can't be 519 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: wearing a ball gown. 520 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: Well, because it's got. 521 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: That aspirational element as well to it then, because you 522 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: want to aspire to have a beautiful house like these women. 523 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: But then they also feel like your friend, because as 524 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: you said, there's that self deprecating element involved as well. Yeah, exactly, 525 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: that perfect friend, I suppose. Another common feature I've noticed 526 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: is a lot of these women's husbands don't appear in 527 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: the video, and if they are in the video, they're 528 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: very much in the background, and usually they have jobs 529 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: like working in the military or real estate, which seems 530 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: to be a common theme. Now, this is very enticing 531 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: because you can make quite a bit of money of 532 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: cleaning your house. Kay, can you tell us about some 533 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: of the influencers who have made a living out of it. Yeah, Well, 534 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: one of those women is thirty one year old mum 535 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: Jessica Tull, and she has five hundred and twenty five 536 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: thousand subscribers on YouTube and fifty three point seven thousand 537 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: on Instagram. 538 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: Now. 539 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: Jessica launched her YouTube back in two thousand and eleven 540 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: as a way to make friends during a lonely time 541 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: at home with her kids, and she actually opened up 542 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: that she was in a very toxic marriage at the time. Now, 543 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: her ex husband actually mocked her for launching this YouTube 544 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: channel and said that there was no way she could 545 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: make money out of cleaning her house on YouTube. So 546 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: thankfully she ignored him, and now she has divorced and 547 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: makes a six figure salary. And she said she works 548 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: more than forty hours a week running the creative side 549 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: of the business, including filming and editing the videos. She 550 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: also has a manager who handles the business end of 551 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: running a YouTube channel. Now, despite her success, Jessica actually 552 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: avoids telling people what she does for a living because 553 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: she fears being judged, and I suppose that probably stems 554 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: from her husband's behavior at the start. She said, it's 555 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: the kind of career that people don't take seriously. People 556 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: underestimate me when I tell them what I do. It's like, 557 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: all you do is clean your house. I can't It 558 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: can't be that hard. They don't say that, but I 559 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: get the vibe from them. I do have a bit 560 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: of sympathy in regards to this, because I feel like 561 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: there's so many modern jobs that are difficult to explain 562 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: to the average person. Yeah, well, I feel like this 563 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: genre of YouTube is pretty specific and a lot of 564 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 1: people might think, well, what is the appeal of watching 565 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: people clean? It's kind of like watching paint dry sophy. 566 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: Can you tell us what the appeal is to the videos. Well, 567 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: they're actually supposed to trigger an ASMR response, which is 568 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: when you get a tingly feeling of well being in 569 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: your scalp that runs down your back. 570 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: So the cleaning. 571 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: Videos have also been compared to pimple popping videos in 572 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: that they are so viscerally satisfying to watch, and some 573 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: followers say that they watch the clean with meat videos 574 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: while they relax on the couch in the hope that 575 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: will motivate them to clean their own house. 576 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 577 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: It's funny though, because you end up watching it and 578 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: you kind of feel like you've cleaned up, and then 579 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: you feel a little bit upset when you look around 580 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: and it's not clean. It's kind of like the mook 581 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: bunk videos because you almost feel like you're enjoying eating 582 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 1: something but you haven't eaten anything. Yeah. Well, apparently it 583 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: does make people feel less anxious about their messy house 584 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: and it takes the pressure off because they are seeing 585 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: these aspirational women showing the bad side of their house, 586 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: so they obviously show the before of it. Being really messy, 587 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: And I do think another thing I really like about 588 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: these videos is usually these cleaning jobs are traditionally left 589 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: for women to do in silence, and they can be 590 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 1: very isolating and they're not very exciting. So I do 591 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: think it's cool that this work that is usually derided 592 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: is actually getting a moment in the spotlight. 593 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 2: I think that's such a great point. 594 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 3: Though. 595 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: There is some criticism though, in the fact that these 596 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: videos are sped up and it makes it look like 597 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: the work is really quick and easy and rewarding, when 598 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: cleaning can obviously be a very unpleasant and arduous task. Yeah, 599 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: it also does make me wonder about how this pursuit 600 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: of ongoing perfection actually affects the influencers themselves, because I 601 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: feel like it would be quite overwhelming to always have 602 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: this expectation that you're going to firstly clean everything in 603 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: the house and secondly always have a perfect looking house. Well, 604 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. 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