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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio is the acting Police Commissioner,

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Speaker 1: Michael Murphy.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Katie. Thanks so much for joining

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Speaker 2: us this morning.

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Speaker 1: Now we know that obviously domestic violence issues across the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory have been in the spotlight through the numbers

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Speaker 1: that were revealed by the Territory Police, but also through

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Speaker 1: the coronial which has been underway.

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Speaker 2: I'm keen to find out from you how.

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Speaker 1: Are these DV incidents looking at this point in time.

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Speaker 3: They still consume a lot of our time and priorities.

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Speaker 3: Obviously it keeps me up at night the amount of

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Speaker 3: dvs we're still encountering. I explained that just overnight in

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Speaker 3: itself across the territory, we had ninety five calls to

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Speaker 3: the Joint Emergency Communication Center asking for assistance it's DV related,

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Speaker 3: which is a significant number.

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Speaker 2: Across ninety five in one night.

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Speaker 3: Ninety five. Yeah, and when the last couple of nights

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Speaker 3: has been tracking at eighty three and seventy six, so

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Speaker 3: significantly high. One of the highest job priorities we have,

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Speaker 3: and it's each incident is a priority, and it obviously

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Speaker 3: consumes a lot of time our offices on the front

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Speaker 3: line corresponding across the territory in our remote stations twenty

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Speaker 3: four to seven.

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Speaker 2: They're phenomenal numbers for all the wrong reasons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, it hasn't abated since COVID either, it's remained high,

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Speaker 3: and there's a lot of work that we're doing, but

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Speaker 3: across government and non government organizations around the prevention space

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Speaker 3: as well, you know, it's about safe spaces, education, change

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Speaker 3: behavior programs, what that all looks like as well, because

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Speaker 3: the prevention, the investment in prevention is really significant to

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Speaker 3: protect women and children who are predominantly the victims in

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Speaker 3: this space.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it seems like the police are there right

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Speaker 1: at the pointy end, and I get that, and I

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Speaker 1: get that there you know that there could be more

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Speaker 1: that is done, you know, like more quickly, and that

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Speaker 1: people could criticize the police. And I'm very cognizant that

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Speaker 1: there is a coronial underway. So I don't want to

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Speaker 1: to preempt anything there. But it does seem as though

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Speaker 1: we could be doing more in the territory as well

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Speaker 1: in terms of you know, sort of stopping this stuff

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Katie. I think the investment too is we

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Speaker 3: see a lot of vulnerable people who are intoxicated that

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Speaker 3: often leads to domestic violence or all location. Because we

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Speaker 3: see a high engagement when we see about sixty six

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Speaker 3: percent of dvs. Seventy percent our cohols involved. So when

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Speaker 3: we see reports of any social behavior coming in about

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Speaker 3: people in public places, usually it's public places, it's intimate partners,

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Speaker 3: it's intoxication that leads to violence, and sadly we saw

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Speaker 3: that in ourther Springs with a homicide in recent days,

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Speaker 3: which is you know, that's the engagement about vulnerble people,

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Speaker 3: the control around the liquor restrictions, how we manage that,

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Speaker 3: how we look at the family safety framework to help

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Speaker 3: so we can look at recidivism across victims to protect

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Speaker 1: Well, and we do, as you've just touched on there

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Speaker 1: old man's allegedly well allegedly murdered he's.

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Speaker 2: Forty seven year old partner at a bush camp.

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Speaker 1: Is there much further detail at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: or much further that has happened from that side of things.

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Speaker 3: Not at this time. He's before the court now and

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Speaker 3: obviously he'll go through the justice process to answer for

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Speaker 1: And those liquor restrictions you touched on those, do you

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Speaker 1: is a decrease in the volume of domestic violence school

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, having been in other springs and talking to

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Speaker 3: there has been a significant change in activity and their

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Speaker 3: So it's all there, and it took a sharp decline

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Speaker 3: recommend that the liquor restrictions continue because it really gives

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Speaker 1: So the Northern Territory Police, from your perspective as the

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Speaker 1: acting commissioner, that is your recommendation that those LIGA restrictions

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Speaker 1: do continue.

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Speaker 2: It is yes.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that they need to be broadened across

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Speaker 3: I think that's open for discussion. I think we can

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Speaker 3: and those discussions about how we can do things smarter

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Speaker 3: as well through the band drinkers registered, through some technology

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Speaker 3: tools to help not just the heavy lifting through police officers,

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Speaker 3: but what fundamental technology and assistance to reduce crime, especially

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Speaker 3: got a pretty keen focus on secondary supply from in state.

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Speaker 3: So we still see some flow of supply from South

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Speaker 1: How do you reckon we might be able to use

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Speaker 2: It could be more effective.

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Speaker 1: Because even you sort of think to yourself sometimes like

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Speaker 1: that that's something you guys be looking into, but like,

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Speaker 1: give is that something that we can do more efficiently?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? So, if you've got a person that's going across

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Speaker 3: obviously not consuming that much wine every day. We know

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Speaker 3: the police auxiliary liquor inspectors who can detect similar behaviors

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Speaker 2: So where are you at that?

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Speaker 3: So we're talking with obviously the Minister of Alcohol Policies,

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Speaker 1: Far away do you reckon we might be from seeing

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Speaker 3: I don't know, OKAYI I wouldn't have an answer for that,

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Speaker 3: But from my perspective, the sooner the better, because there'll

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I suppose from my perspective, I think

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Speaker 1: then surely that's a good thing to do. And surely

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And we know that we see it every

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Speaker 3: bigger picture too. The Northern Territory has been in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I do want to ask you.

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Speaker 2: I mean those numbers are astronomical.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the demand is quite high on us at the moment.

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Speaker 3: And firstly, can I thank your listener for actually engaging

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Speaker 3: We triage and prioritize the response through the join Emenciti

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Speaker 3: job balancing DV amongst other things too. You know, we

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Speaker 3: So it's about the call center. It gets thirty five

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Speaker 3: thousand calls a month. How do we reduce the consumption

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Speaker 3: there by smarter reporting, maybe online so callers can have

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Speaker 3: plugs in. Then to our recruitment footprint about the Instead

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Speaker 2: Here here, right, So keep some of those people here

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Speaker 3: So the next squad that graduates one fifty one, there'll

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Speaker 2: Do we have enough police?

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Speaker 1: Now we've spoken to the Association president. He'd said that

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Speaker 1: Now, I know you pressed for time, but I want

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Speaker 2: Firstly, how are those police.

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Speaker 3: Officers are probably shaken and you know it's quite alarming.

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Speaker 3: It's incredibly dangerous and you're right, and it's a national

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Speaker 1: Did we see much of a flare up over the

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Speaker 3: So there was actually some really good planning across the

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Speaker 3: So just that engagement. Alice Springs school holidays have been

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Speaker 3: Obviously important messages schools back. So when you look at roads, safety,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely make sure that you do stay safe around

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Speaker 2: Hey, I just thought of it while you're speaking.

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Speaker 3: So we'll probably look at announcement next week around the

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Speaker 1: On another matter, I understand that police are considering a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Angie basically ninth of January. She went missing

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Speaker 3: But we know that money is a really good incentive,

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Speaker 1: So any idea when you're sort of when you'll have

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Speaker 3: I imagine it will be within the fortnight so and when

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Look, there has been so much on it. You've

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Speaker 3: No, I'd say probably within the next couple of months.

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Speaker 3: There should be announcement whether it's me or someone else,

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Speaker 1: Well, we're all waiting to see exactly when that announcement

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go though. Coffee with a cop.

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Speaker 1: That was something that police started doing a few months ago.

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Speaker 3: Huge success. So it's every Friday fortnightly across the territory,

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Speaker 2: You might get mobbed, you might have heaps of people

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Speaker 3: That's what we want, Katie. We want to hear people.

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Speaker 3: We want to see what's going on and let's see

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you let us know a couple of days

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Speaker 3: That's fantastic I'll take.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, no no worries at all.

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Speaker 1: Well, Acting Police Commissioner Michael Murphy always good to catch

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time. I know you're

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Speaker 2: Thank you,