1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of the 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: land on which this episode is being recorded, the Kombo 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Marry people. We pay our respects to elders past, present 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: and emerging and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Torres Strait Islander peoples. 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: Today I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson, and this is the 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: Rise and Conquer Podcast. This is the podcast where we 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: chat mindset, self development and becoming your higher self mix 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: soon with a lot of laughs, plus behind the scenes 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: of my life running two businesses and being among Think 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: of us as the perfect combo of brunch with your 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: besties mixed with self development. No matter where you are 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: in your journey, we're here to help you be curious, 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: pull yourself out, and embrace radical self awareness. 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: If you're ready to get into the. 16 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: Driver's seat of your own life and stop letting life 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: cast you by, then you're in the right place. 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 4: Hey everyone, Happy Friday, and welcome back to the Partty. 19 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: We're back with Jamie the RNC brand manager. Hey Jamie, Hello. 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 3: How are you good? 21 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 4: Thank you? How are you? 22 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 5: I'm great. 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: We're so excited to have you back. 24 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 4: So for this episode, we put out a call out 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 4: in the Facebook group to see if anyone had any 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 4: questions for Jamie about Korea life, all the things, and 27 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 4: you guys sent in some goodies. Now, this is part 28 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 4: two of our interview with Jamie, so if you missed 29 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 4: part one, be sure to go back and listen to it. 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 4: We chatted about starting a business first Korea and it 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 4: was such a good episode, so we'll pop that link 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 4: in the show notes for you. Today we're chatting about leadership, business, 33 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 4: living in your purpose, imposs syndrome, salary over sanity and 34 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 4: all the things. 35 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 6: And basically me just calling everyone out. The whole episode 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 6: pretty good. 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 4: Don't listen to this if you're going to get triggered, 38 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 4: Actually listen to it. 39 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 5: Listen to what you need it. 40 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, but before you get into it, I've pulled Jamie's 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 4: leg and she's agreed to share a special announcement with 42 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 4: your early half half announcement announcement. We're announcing that something 43 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: is being announced, So get onto our socials on Tuesday. 44 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: Something old and something new. I'm allowed to give. 45 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 5: And manifesting. 46 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 4: Girls. 47 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 5: You all love this one. 48 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's a good hint. We put up a 49 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 4: hint about this on stories on Wednesday, but we'll pop 50 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 4: another question box up today and you guys can give 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 4: us more guesses. We won't share any correct guesses, but and. 52 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 5: It's something you guys have been begging us for. 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 7: So okay, that's all. Let's get into the episode. Welcome back, Jamie, 54 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 7: thank you for having me. 55 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 5: It's good to be in this little kitchen recording. 56 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 4: So let's get straight into it now. These questions are 57 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 4: all from our Facebook group. If you guys aren't in 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 4: the Facebook group. 59 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 3: Get in there, get in there. 60 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 5: We have some fun, so much. 61 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 4: Fun, and whenever we need questions for the body, that's 62 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 4: where we go. 63 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 5: So we want to ask our expert advice. 64 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: Yes, we are unqualified. I feel like we haven't said that. 65 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 5: We're unqualified, but very intellectual, very intellectual, very wisdoms. 66 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 4: So our first question is how can we be a 67 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 4: great leader and know when to keep pushing forward or 68 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: let things go in business? 69 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 5: Great question. 70 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 6: I think being a great leader ultimately comes back to 71 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 6: showing up. How you want your team to show up. 72 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 6: So you can't tell them to do one thing and 73 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 6: then be the example of another. So are you being 74 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 6: congruent to what you're asking of them? I think also 75 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 6: being able to have conversations with them with feedback is 76 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 6: so important to be a great leader. I know for me, 77 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 6: every great leader I've ever had has held me at 78 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 6: a very high standard, and whilst it may be hard 79 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 6: at the time, I've had so much respect for them 80 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 6: and learn more from them than a leader who doesn't 81 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 6: hold me at that same standard. So I think, whilst 82 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 6: it might not be comfortable at the time, it's what 83 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 6: produces a great team and therefore a great result. 84 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 5: So I think just being able. 85 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 6: To have those conversations and be open with your team 86 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 6: on what your expectations are because they you can't just 87 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 6: assume that they're going to know what you want from them. 88 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 6: So being able to be really clear and concise and 89 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 6: then being able to have that conversation I guess at 90 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 6: the end of how you felt things are going or 91 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 6: anything like that, I think is really important to be 92 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 6: a great leader. And then in terms of letting things 93 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 6: go in your business, I know from personal experience having 94 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 6: a small business, I think ultimately it comes back to 95 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 6: is your input worth what you're getting back from it? 96 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 6: So I know we even do this at R and C. 97 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 6: We're constantly auditing what we're doing and whether the input 98 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 6: is worth what we're getting back. 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 5: And I think especially I'm. 100 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 6: Assuming this person has a small business. Yeah, especially at 101 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 6: the start, it can be so hard to feel like 102 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 6: you're not doing enough or you have to be doing 103 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 6: all these things to get a certain result. But if 104 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 6: you're doing that, you're ultimately spreading yourself so thin. 105 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 5: So I am a big believer in. 106 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 6: Doing a few things really, really really well is going 107 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 6: to get a better result than doing heaps of things averagely. 108 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 5: So I think just looking at. 109 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 6: What you're doing, what is what you're really good at, 110 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 6: what is getting you the best results in business, and 111 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 6: just really stripping it back and looking at how those 112 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 6: things are then getting you a result is the best 113 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 6: way to know whether to keep pushing forward or let 114 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 6: things go in business, And just yeah, being really mindful 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 6: of that. 116 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 3: I love that. 117 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 4: That's actually really a good tip because it's kind of 118 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: like if you're spending three hours a day on making tiktoks, 119 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: but you have one hundred followers, but you whereas on 120 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 4: Instagram you have ten thousand, your energy is better spent 121 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 4: on Instagram most likely kind of thing. 122 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I think it's I think it's also about 123 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 6: you have to have a big ECO system within your marketing, 124 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 6: and you have to have those different touch points for 125 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 6: your customers and for customer growth and database growth and 126 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 6: all that sort of stuff. But like, as an example, 127 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 6: at MAD we used to do a weekly newsletter and 128 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 6: that took up like two hours of my time every 129 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 6: week to write out that blog, and I had to 130 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 6: look at it and the results just weren't showing there. 131 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 5: So that was something that we. 132 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 6: Decided to let go off because my time was better spent, 133 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 6: you know, making those TikTok videos where I could see 134 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 6: that growth and see that audience growth. So I think 135 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 6: just having a look at where you're spending your time 136 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 6: and is it really worth it? 137 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: I love that. 138 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 4: Now. Our next question is what would be your tips 139 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 4: when it comes from taking a business idea from the 140 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 4: idea phase into actually implementing. 141 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 5: There's a very loaded question. 142 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 6: There is so many things that come into play with this. 143 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing is just starting so working 144 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 6: out what needs you're feeling, working out your product, perfecting 145 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 6: that product, because at the end of the day, if 146 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 6: you want to have that customer attention, having a really 147 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 6: good quality product is going to be the biggest thing. 148 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 6: I think then also what you need for that product. 149 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 6: Start working on the product. Ask people who have done 150 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 6: what you've done, and don't get frozen by thinking that 151 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 6: there is so much to do. I think so many 152 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 6: people have this business idea and they're just like, there's 153 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 6: just so much much I don't even know where to start, 154 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 6: so they just don't start. And I think not getting 155 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 6: frozen by that is the biggest thing in actually getting 156 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 6: that business off the ground and running, because you're going 157 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 6: to learn things as you go. There is no person 158 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 6: that goes into starting a small business that just knows everything. 159 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 6: You just learn as you go and you just work 160 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 6: it out and things you know might take a little 161 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 6: bit longer. But if you're just constantly in that learning 162 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 6: phase and never in the action phase, you're not ever 163 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 6: going to get your idea off the ground and running. 164 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: I love that. 165 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: I think one of my favorite quotes about business is 166 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 4: that one of if you are proud of your first product, 167 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 4: you start it too late. Yeah, I know. 168 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 6: I look back on like our first piece is at 169 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 6: mad and I'm like, God, I'm glad we've grown, like 170 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 6: our first website, and you just do everything so scrappily, 171 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 6: and it's fine because you're evolving as a business. But 172 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 6: if you waited till the perfect time for absolutely everything, 173 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 6: you wouldn't get anywhere. And it's better to start, you know, 174 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 6: scrappy and learn as you go, then to not start 175 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 6: at all. 176 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: I love that. 177 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 4: Now our next question, which I actually love, this question, 178 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 4: how do you deal with imposter syndrome when you're starting 179 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 4: a new job or if you just have any tips 180 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 4: for beginning a new role in general. 181 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 6: All right, we'll start with the imposter syndrome part of 182 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 6: this question. I think just remembering that you wouldn't be 183 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 6: have been hired if the company didn't see it was 184 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 6: the right fit. Yeah, so you're there for a reason, 185 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 6: so it's up to you to go and show them 186 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 6: that they've made the right choice. I think imposter syndrome 187 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 6: in a new role usually just comes back to fear 188 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 6: of change and feeling like you don't know things in 189 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 6: the unknown. But I think that's also the most exciting part, Like, 190 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 6: think of the person that you're going to become from 191 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 6: learning all of these things, And I think it's just 192 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 6: no one in a company is going to expect you 193 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 6: to come in and know absolutely everything. But if you 194 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 6: can go in and show them that you've got the 195 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 6: attitude that you want to learn, think of how valuable 196 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 6: you're going to look as an employee in that company. 197 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 5: So I think I think a lot. 198 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 6: Of people maybe go into a role and they're so 199 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 6: scared of doing things wrong that they don't do anything 200 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 6: at all. But I know, even as a manager, I 201 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 6: would rather you try and learn from it then just 202 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 6: not do anything at all. So I think just going 203 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 6: in and giving things a go, putting your hand up 204 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 6: and just trying things and saying yes to opportunities. Companies 205 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 6: will value that and they want people who are willing 206 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 6: to give it a go, and at the end of 207 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 6: the day, just act confident and no more will question you. 208 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 6: Like I feel like you're going to get so far 209 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 6: if you just go into it with confidence and you 210 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 6: just go into it and you just have that willingness 211 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 6: to try anything and almost like that relentless nature where 212 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 6: you're just willing to go all in over it over again, 213 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 6: you're just going to get so far. I think, just 214 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 6: fail forward and just keep trying. A company isn't going 215 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 6: to expect you to get everything perfect when you just start, 216 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 6: but showing them that you're willing to try and keep moving, 217 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 6: and those types will be huge in terms of how 218 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 6: valuable you are as and a Ploine and. 219 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 4: I know, I think we've had this conversation off air before, 220 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 4: but don't be scared to ask a million and one 221 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 4: question when you first start, yause, I think when you 222 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 4: start somewhere new, you feel the pressure to be perfect 223 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: and to be like, oh my gosh, they've hired me, 224 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 4: I need to show up as this amazing person. The 225 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 4: interview went so well. They have such high expectations, which 226 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 4: is probably true. 227 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: But any good. 228 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 4: Manager will know that you're not going to know everything. 229 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 4: So don't be scared to ask a million one questions 230 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 4: when you first start, because you'd rather ask them in 231 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 4: your first month than get six months into the job 232 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 4: and be. 233 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 3: Like, I don't know how things work. 234 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 5: I should have asked this on what is my manager's name? 235 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think it's just Also, as an employee, 236 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 6: the most of a valuable thing you can do is 237 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 6: go to your manager or your boss and say, rather 238 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 6: than going to them with a question, go to them 239 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 6: with the answer and see how they feel about that, 240 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 6: because that's showing them that you have self responsibility, and 241 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 6: you have the ability to be self led and come 242 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 6: up with a solution. So I think more so than 243 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 6: asking a million questions, go to them with their thoughts 244 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 6: on a million answers, because that is so valuable as 245 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 6: an employee too, and if you get it wrong, they'll 246 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 6: give you feedback on that. But at least you're trying 247 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 6: and you're coming up with some solution for them, and 248 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 6: that just shows them that you can be self len. 249 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 3: I love that. 250 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 4: And the next question is how do you know you 251 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 4: are living your purpose in regards to your career. 252 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 5: Well, I think this first comes back to knowing your purpose. 253 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 3: I think. 254 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 5: I think so many goods done. 255 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 6: So many people are like, am I living in my purpose? 256 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 5: And I'm like, what's your purpose? And they're like, I 257 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 5: don't know. I'm like, well, how do you know if 258 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 5: your job to line? 259 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 6: Then, So I think just first of all, knowing your purpose, 260 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 6: don't put so much pressure on it too. And then 261 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 6: once you know your purpose, you can look at things 262 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 6: like if it's a line. So, as I said in 263 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 6: the first episode, my purpose is simple to leave people 264 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 6: better off than when I found them. 265 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 5: And I know R and C. This does this daily 266 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 5: because more self development business. We're amazing, No. 267 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 6: But I know that that is a huge part of 268 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 6: R and C. So I feel like I'm living in 269 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 6: my purpose so much. But I think this comes back 270 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 6: to how you feel at work, what your energy is 271 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 6: like in the role. Do the values of the company 272 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 6: align with you? Is working your purpose something that is 273 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 6: important to you. Also, I know a lot of people 274 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 6: put this pressure on having, you know, this purpose filled job, 275 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 6: but it might not actually be that important to them. 276 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 6: They just feel like that's what they should be doing. 277 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 6: So I know plenty of people that have a full 278 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 6: time job and then they live out their purpose on 279 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 6: the weekends or after work, or in their hobbies or 280 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 6: in their relationships. So I think if you're putting so 281 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 6: much pressure on your career to be a part of 282 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 6: your purpose, which it's so fine, it is because mine 283 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 6: is like that's so fine, But I think just working 284 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 6: out whether that is actually important to begin with, and 285 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 6: if it's not, then that's perfect. But also I think 286 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 6: it's just about trying things and knowing that things you 287 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 6: can be in certain things for seasons like you don't 288 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 6: maybe you're just doing a job right now, which I've 289 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 6: done previously that you know, was perfect for me at 290 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 6: the time, but it wasn't me living in my purpose, 291 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 6: but it gave me something else. It gave me a 292 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 6: skill set, or it gave me experience, or it gave 293 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 6: me an. 294 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 5: Income, you know, like exactly. 295 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 6: I think it's don't put so much pressure on yourself 296 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 6: as well in terms of that, because what you're doing 297 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 6: is always giving you something, whether it's a lesson or 298 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 6: experience or whatever it is. So I think, just, yeah, 299 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 6: don't put pressure. 300 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 5: On yourself to have it all figured out right now. 301 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: I that's so interesting because I feel like one of 302 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 4: my struggles with jobs have almost been when you're in 303 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 4: a very purpose full career, but it's not your purpose. 304 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: Like you know, you're going. 305 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 4: To work every day and you're making a big difference 306 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 4: and you're helping people and it feels good, but there's 307 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 4: just it's like that one little thing missing and you 308 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 4: moved something that maybe doesn't appear on the outside as 309 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 4: purposeful as the previous. 310 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: Job, but you just know that you are where you're 311 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: meant to be. 312 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I feel like that's also something people can 313 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 4: get tripped up. 314 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 6: With, absolutely, And I think it's like everything is a 315 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 6: stepping stone, Like, yeah, I just there's no mistakes in life. 316 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 6: You are doing exactly what you're meant to be doing 317 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 6: at the perfect time, and then a new stepping stone 318 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 6: will come, and then eventually it will lead you to 319 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 6: your grand stepping stone where everything feels like so aligned 320 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 6: and so like. I think back on my professional journey, 321 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 6: and everything was a stepping stone to exactly where I 322 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 6: am right now. But I wasn't in my purpose back then. 323 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 6: I wasn't like living in my dream job or anything 324 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 6: like that. But they all led me to hear exactly 325 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 6: so I think just embracing the journey too. 326 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 3: Now. 327 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 4: The next question, another one that I really love, is 328 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 4: how do you actually get the courage to leave a 329 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 4: role where you feel so loyal to the people there 330 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 4: and have such amazing friendships with co workers? 331 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: Is heartbreaking. 332 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 6: I think you're probably not gonna like my answer here, 333 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 6: but I think this is probably a comfort thing to 334 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 6: keep you in a place you feel safe in so 335 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 6: you can always find another workplace with coworkers you like. 336 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 6: The job will find someone to replace you. You don't 337 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 6: want to stay in a place for those reasons, and 338 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 6: spend your time in a job that doesn't fulfill you 339 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 6: because I always think about future me and I'm like, 340 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 6: if I was still doing this in a year's time, 341 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 6: would I be happy? And if the answer is no, 342 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 6: then it's time to move. And I think people use 343 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 6: loyalty or good coworkers or whatever it is to keep 344 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 6: themselves safe and keep themselves comfortable. But you're always going 345 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 6: to find that somewhere else too, So if you're not 346 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 6: actually enjoying your every day, it's probably time to just move. 347 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 6: And you could wait until you feel, you know, you 348 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 6: have more courage, but then what could you have done 349 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 6: in that year or whatever it is. 350 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 4: And I think with things like this, especially if you 351 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 4: are in a job that you love and you've been 352 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 4: there a while and they. 353 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 3: Treat you well, and you love the people you work with. 354 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 4: And there's some of your closest friends, it's going to 355 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 4: suck no matter when you do it, like, it's always 356 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 4: going to feel uncomfortable. It's like telling someone, oh, I 357 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 4: love seeing you every day, but I'm not going to anymore. 358 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 4: It's sad. 359 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 5: It's like a breakup. 360 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 4: It's like a break it's literally a breakup, and treat 361 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 4: it like that, but as you would never wait to 362 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 4: break up with someone till you feel like you can. 363 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: You would, you shouldn't for a job. You might, but you. 364 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 4: Shouldn't for a job either, And they're like, it's so 365 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 4: I feel like people forget how you can leave places 366 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 4: on great terms, Like you can give someone a month's notice, 367 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: tie up all your work nicely, do a good handover 368 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 4: with someone, and then go and still be great friends 369 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 4: with those people and look at it on the bright 370 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 4: side of like, oh my gosh, now I get to 371 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 4: just hang out with you and we're just friends and 372 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 4: we don't have to think about work or talk about work, 373 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 4: and we're just besties now. 374 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 6: And yeah, I think it's also like this whole thing 375 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 6: of it's almost like when you go to school with 376 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 6: everyone and you're friends with everyone at school, and then 377 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 6: you leave school and you don't see them again. You're like, 378 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 6: it's like, are you just friends? Because the environment And 379 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 6: I think it's also people get worried because they're like, oh, 380 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 6: I might never see these people again, and it's like, 381 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 6: if they're actually meant to be in your life, you'll 382 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 6: see them again. 383 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, But yeah, I think that's just a comfort thing. 384 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 4: I love that it's actually a really good. I never 385 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 4: would have gone there. 386 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 5: But where you would have gone. 387 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 4: I would have just said, it's never going to feel comfortable, 388 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 4: you should just do it. 389 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 6: Yeah. 390 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 5: I think if you're billing the pool to leave the 391 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 5: foremost a. 392 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 6: Shadow thing of like or like a limiting belief of 393 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 6: all this is just But it's like, come on, you're 394 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 6: you're just keep yourself safe. 395 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: Now. 396 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 4: The next question, sanity over salary or salary over sanity. 397 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 5: My answer to this is you could have both, so 398 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 5: you don't need to choose. Just FYI and if. 399 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: You find another job because the MILV Yeah. 400 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 6: No, I think it's like, obviously, if I was going 401 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 6: to choose satanity or salary, I would choose sanity because 402 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 6: I think, if you've all the money in the world 403 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 6: and you're not happy, what's the point. Georgie and I 404 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 6: were actually having this conversation not long ago, and we 405 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 6: were talking about how so many people spend their whole 406 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 6: lives in these you know, quote unquote successful jobs, and 407 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 6: they work their way up and then they get to 408 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 6: the end and they have to, you know, like they've 409 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 6: got to take a break from their own reality just 410 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 6: to feel like okay again. Yeah, And I think It's like, 411 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 6: if you have all the money in the world but 412 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 6: you're not happy, what's the point in having all the 413 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 6: money in the world. So I would obviously always choose sanity, 414 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 6: but again, you can have both. And if you think 415 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 6: you can't have both, and there's some limiting beliefs to 416 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 6: work through. 417 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: All what everyone else just say it. 418 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 4: How our next question how to stop the fear of 419 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 4: judgment and failure from getting in the way of even 420 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 4: starting your career or business idea, I will hop in 421 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 4: here quickly before you do. We did chat about this 422 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 4: in Jamie's previous episodes, so if you haven't listened to that, 423 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 4: go there. 424 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 5: My answer to this is you're going to be judged regardless. 425 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 5: It's human nature. We're all built to judge others. And 426 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 5: I think. 427 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 6: You can't keep everyone happy, but you can keep you happy. 428 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 6: So I think just focus on that. And what I 429 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 6: always like to say is the people who are going 430 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 6: to judge you are not your people anyways, and as 431 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 6: soon as you start showing up and doing things that 432 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 6: feel unlined and right for you, you're going to actually 433 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 6: attract in those right people. So I wouldn't be getting 434 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 6: worried about the fear of judgment or failure or whatever 435 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 6: it is, because at the end of the day, the 436 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 6: people who are going to support you are your people anyway, 437 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 6: and I'm. 438 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 5: Not going to support you, then good riddance. 439 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 6: An I think also, again I said this in my 440 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 6: last episode, but I just don't believe in failure. I 441 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 6: think every thing that happens in your life is very 442 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 6: intentional and very purposeful, and if you're failing, it means 443 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 6: that it's just it's just a nudge from the universe 444 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 6: to a different direction. And I think just go with 445 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 6: it and you'll always end up exactly where you're meant 446 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 6: to be, even if you can't see that at the time. 447 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 4: It's it's that like those who mind don't matter, and 448 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 4: those who matter won't mind. 449 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 5: Exactly. Love the words. 450 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: Just sprinkling some random quotes here and there, We. 451 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 4: Love it, But I'm a big quote, like just bouncing 452 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 4: off what you said to on failure. I know, Georgina, 453 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 4: Jamie and I had lunch a few weeks ago and 454 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 4: we were all just like sitting there trying to think 455 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 4: of a time we failed in life. And yeah, oh, 456 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 4: because I was talking about my fear of failure, and oh, 457 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 4: you when have you failed? And I was like, oh, 458 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: I haven't really, But it's it's not that I haven't, 459 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 4: it's that I don't class it as failure afterwards, like 460 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 4: hindsight in obviously helping, But you haven't ever really failed. 461 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 4: And if you try to think of a time in 462 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 4: your life where you failed, I guarantee you you probably 463 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 4: can't necessarily unless it's like I failed this subject at 464 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 4: school or something. 465 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 6: But then it's like you do it again and you 466 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 6: probably learn different things, yeah, lessons and everything. 467 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 5: Exactly do you believe in failure? 468 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 4: I'm working on my relationship to it at the moment 469 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 4: because I still think I very much have a like 470 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 4: paralyzing fear of failure, but I think it's more a 471 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 4: fear of regret. But I'm I'm still navigating. It's the 472 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 4: murky waters. It's like I logically say it, but internally 473 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 4: I'm not locked into that yet. 474 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 6: But I think I look at it and my the 475 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 6: I think the two options are the fear of failure 476 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 6: or the fear of not trying. And I think I 477 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 6: would always rather try and it not work out, then 478 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 6: never try at all and be stuck in what if 479 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 6: because you don't know what could have happened, and I 480 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 6: would always rather try because you, like, I have a 481 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 6: way bigger fear of just not living up to everything 482 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 6: that I could be. So if you never try and 483 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 6: you never move because of that fear of failure, You're 484 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 6: never going to get to where you want to be. 485 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 3: I know it's my human design. 486 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 5: Thrives in mistakes, so is it. 487 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like that I do mistakes really well, 488 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 6: that I always learned so much from it that I 489 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 6: always fail forward and mine is pretty much really mine 490 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 6: was like pretty much just like born to hustle and 491 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 6: loves loves failing, loves moving forward. 492 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 4: Our next question, how do you know what Korea is 493 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 4: right for you? And how do you almost take the 494 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 4: leap to change your current career? 495 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 5: I think this is. 496 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 6: It's just about being open to opportunities. I've worked in 497 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 6: a few different fields, and I know the skills and 498 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 6: the journey I got from all of them led me 499 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 6: exactly where I am now. And it's also just about 500 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 6: saying yes and moving, Like, don't get frozen by trying 501 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 6: to have it all figured out. Just try different things 502 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 6: and know everyone is on their own timeline. Like you 503 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 6: can literally change careers any time you want. My dad 504 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 6: changed careers when he was like in his forties, so 505 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 6: there's no limit. And I think the pressure people put 506 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 6: on themselves to have it figured out probably is the 507 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 6: reason they're being held it back from living in their 508 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 6: dream because they're just waiting to have the answer, or 509 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 6: waiting to know what feels right, or waiting for the 510 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 6: right time, rather than just moving. And I think you're 511 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 6: never going to know what you don't know, so just 512 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 6: go and try things, take leaps, take the pressure off 513 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 6: yourself to have it all figured out, because if you 514 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 6: just constantly live in that pressure, you're never going to 515 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 6: change anything. And if you don't change anything, nothing changes. 516 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 4: I love it. Our next question, what can you do 517 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 4: when you're feeling bored and you find yourself jumping from 518 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 4: job to job to find exactly what it is you're 519 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 4: looking for, but also like you're not sure what you're 520 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 4: looking for any. 521 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 5: Jips sounds like a tough place to be in. 522 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 6: I think belief that jumping around is getting you closer 523 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 6: to what your dream is. 524 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 5: And also, don't make decisions from a place of should have. 525 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 6: I always ask people if money wasn't a thing, what 526 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 6: would you do, and then once they have that answer, 527 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 6: I'm like, well, how can you make money from it? Yeah, 528 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 6: because there's always a way to figure out how to 529 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 6: make money from whatever it is you love. Yeah, And 530 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 6: I think that is like that always helps people to 531 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 6: work out what it is that they're looking for, because 532 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 6: people get you know, our logical brains come in and 533 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 6: they're like, how you know money or whatever it is, 534 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 6: and why do we have a job. 535 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 5: We have a job for money. 536 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 6: But I think just like try and think of what 537 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 6: it is that you would do and how you would 538 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 6: spend your time if money wasn't a thing, and then 539 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 6: work out a way to make money. 540 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 3: Out of them. I love that. It's kind of like 541 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: have you heard of ikey guy? Yeah? 542 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's what you love, what you're good at, what 543 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 4: you can get paid for, and what the world needs. 544 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 4: And the intersection of that is like a fulfilling career 545 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 4: or job or way for you to make money. 546 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 5: Yeah. 547 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 6: And I think people get bored because they go into 548 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 6: these opportunities that their logical brain has decided for them, 549 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 6: and they go into these you know, it's a good 550 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 6: salary or it's what i've is seen as good in society. 551 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 6: Or it's what my parents feel I should be doing 552 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 6: or whatever it is, and then they're obviously not feeling 553 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 6: fulfilled because they're not making it from like a place 554 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 6: of intuition and alignment. 555 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 556 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 3: Interesting. 557 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 4: The next question is I'm currently struggling with knowing if 558 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 4: I'm made for more than my nursing career, but battling 559 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 4: with worrying about what others will think if I let 560 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 4: my degrees quote unquote go to waste. I know I 561 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 4: am capable and desperate for such a bigger life than 562 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 4: the shift were hustle, but just can't let go of 563 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 4: the idea that I'd be disappointing a lot of people. 564 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 6: Any advice, M Well, like I said before, you can 565 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 6: never keep absolutely everyone happy, but of course you can 566 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 6: keep yourself happy, as I said, so the people who 567 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 6: are the right people in your life will support that. 568 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 6: And you obviously know that you want to stop doing nursing. 569 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 6: So whether you do that now or in two years, 570 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 6: think of everything that you could have done within that time. 571 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 6: So I think it's just about also being like grateful 572 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 6: for everything that your nursing career has given you, grateful 573 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 6: for the degree, Like you're never going to have nothing, 574 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 6: or it's never going to be a waste because you're 575 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 6: always going to have learned something from that season in 576 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 6: your life and that stage in your life. 577 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 5: And even I look back on things like. 578 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 6: Working in disability or working in like randomly tech company, 579 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 6: and I think of like the skills that I have 580 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 6: from that and how I still apply it in this 581 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 6: role now, which is just like a completely different field. 582 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 6: But I think people get like so stuck in staying 583 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 6: in things because they feel like something is a waste 584 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 6: and nothing is ever a waste, like it was perfect 585 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 6: for you at the time, and that's great, but so 586 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 6: many people stay in careers or fields because they think 587 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 6: it's like what they should be doing because that's what 588 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 6: they decided when you know, they were eighteen. But you're 589 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 6: allowed to evolve and you're allowed to change and you're 590 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 6: allowed to grow, and that's a part of what being 591 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 6: a human is. And you just have to trust that 592 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 6: that was a part of your evolution and the person 593 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,239 Speaker 6: that you are today is that person because of all 594 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 6: those things you did previously. So just be grateful for it, 595 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 6: but allow yourself to evolve and change. 596 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 4: I totally agree, and I think with uni degrees it's 597 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 4: never a waste, no, Like the fact that you have 598 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 4: a nursing degree shows you have the skill and grit 599 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 4: and determination to work for something, and that'll make you 600 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 4: a valuable employee in any field. One of my best 601 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 4: friends has an architecture degree and is now working in 602 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 4: marketing and currently working to get her diploma and marketing 603 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 4: because that's what she's fallen into and that's what she loves. 604 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 4: But she doesn't regret doing her architecture degree because she 605 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 4: is amazing graphic design skills from it, And even if 606 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 4: your transferable skills aren't as direct as what that might be, 607 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 4: you'll still have some. Like I know, there's things that 608 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 4: I've learned from engineering units that I paid for that 609 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 4: I would never go as a waste because I learned 610 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 4: valuable project management skills and things like that. So let 611 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 4: go of the like it being a waste if you 612 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 4: change careers, because learning and education it's never a waste, no. 613 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 6: And I think it's also like, think of yourself when 614 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 6: you're fifty, sixty, seventy. Whenever you retire, do you want 615 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 6: to look back and be like, God, I wish I 616 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 6: changed career when I was twenty something or do you 617 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 6: want to get the end and be like, thank God 618 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 6: I moved into something that I felt purposeful and passionate 619 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 6: about because that gave me the best life ever. Like, 620 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 6: I think it's just allow yourself to have that change 621 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 6: in lifestyle and believe that it's going to work out 622 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 6: better than you could ever imagine, and don't worry about 623 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 6: disappointing people because it's your life. At the end of 624 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 6: the day, it's no one else's, so you have to 625 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 6: feel good and happy in what you're doing. 626 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 5: Our second last question hit me. 627 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 4: If you had to start from zero tomorrow, no money, 628 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 4: no business, no job, but you still have your knowledge, 629 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 4: what would you do? 630 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 5: I love this question. 631 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 3: I feel like this. 632 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 4: Is such a good question to ask yourself when you're 633 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 4: having like a bit of. 634 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 3: A life crisis. 635 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 6: Well, I think what I took from this question is 636 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 6: how would I then get and attract like the dream 637 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 6: that I wanted? 638 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 5: Is that what they're kind of asking? 639 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 4: Oh, I read that so differently, How did you? I 640 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 4: read it as like, I guess it could help someone 641 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 4: figure out their life purpose. Like if you had nothing 642 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 4: and you're starting again, but you know what you knew, 643 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 4: what would you? Oh? Well, I would follow do exactly 644 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So I guess I go the other 645 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 4: way around. I'm pretty sure they meant what you're saying. 646 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, like how to get your dreams? Yeah, okay. 647 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 6: If I was to start from scratch and wanted to 648 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 6: attract my dream job, I would, especially if you're a 649 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 6: marketing or business gal, which I know a lot of 650 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 6: our listeners are is. I would be starting to build 651 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,479 Speaker 6: out my digital portfolio and creating examples of what kind 652 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 6: of asset I would be to a business. So in 653 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 6: regards to if you're in marketing, you could start posting 654 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 6: things on TikTok. That's like if I was on Ex's 655 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 6: marketing team, I would do this. With such a competitive industry, 656 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 6: I think it's so important to stand out with what 657 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 6: you do and how you show up. So I think 658 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 6: if you want to land your dream job, it's about 659 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 6: doing things that people aren't all doing. And I have 660 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 6: seen a few people do this. I love it. But yeah, 661 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 6: I think, just like a regimen cover letter, maybe a 662 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 6: tough way to land yourself in your dream position. So 663 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 6: start thinking outside of the box and get creative. If 664 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 6: I was if I had to go back to zero, tomorrow, 665 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 6: that's what I would be doing, and I would just 666 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 6: be like putting everything into showing how valuable I was 667 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 6: with all my knowledge. 668 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 4: And I think even if you are in a job 669 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 4: right now, especially when it comes to marketing, remembering that 670 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 4: everything you put out within that business is a representation 671 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 4: of you and is technically part of your digital portfolio. 672 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 4: So really take pride in what you do at work. 673 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 4: Because even though I feel like sometimes people can go, oh, 674 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 4: I'm just a social media manager for ex corporate business, 675 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 4: or I just I only do socials for this business, 676 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 4: it's very much it's as much a representation of you 677 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,479 Speaker 4: as it is of that business, and really put effort 678 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 4: in so that you're proud of what you're doing every day. 679 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 5: Also, can people stop saying I'm juster like you're. 680 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 3: Amazing so true. 681 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 5: I just when you said that, I. 682 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 6: Was like, people need to stop saying that because every 683 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 6: single person in this world holds such an important place 684 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 6: in our ecosystem. 685 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 5: So people stop sing that. 686 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 4: Just on a side, I love that's thanks for flygging that, 687 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 4: that's okay, our lucky last question, I think it's an 688 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 4: interesting one. I feel like it's a bit to unpack here. 689 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 4: But do you stay with a company for loyalty or 690 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 4: move every few years to further your career and increase 691 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 4: your salary. 692 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 6: This is a limiting belief that you can't excel in 693 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 6: your career and increase your salary wherever you are. 694 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 5: If you're happy where you are. 695 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 3: Us not even answering the question, I know, but. 696 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 6: It's it's like, you don't have to continuously move companies 697 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 6: to get to further your career or increase your salary. 698 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 6: If you're feeling fulfilled where you are, find a way 699 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 6: to increase your salary and progress, Like, are you having 700 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 6: the right conversations with people who can help you do that? 701 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 6: Are you putting yourself out there or are you staying comfortable? 702 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 6: And I think if you think that the only way 703 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 6: to excel in your career or get a pay rise 704 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 6: is to move companies, you're probably not having the right 705 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 6: conversations with the right people. Because most companies have an 706 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 6: opportunity to grow in some capacity, whether it's grow with 707 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 6: the business or move roles, or you know, a lot 708 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 6: of If you're a good employee and you're showing that 709 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 6: business how valuable you are, there's usually room to grow. 710 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 4: And I also feel if you're someone that has the 711 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 4: belief that if, for example, either if my salary doesn't increase, 712 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 4: I'm out, or if I want an increase, I need 713 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 4: to move. Those are the kinds of jobs and companies 714 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 4: you'll be attracting and putting yourself into, because I totally understand, like, yes, 715 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 4: there are amazing companies that will facilitate your growth and 716 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 4: will give pay rises, and there's other companies it might 717 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 4: be a bit more of a fight to get a 718 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 4: pay rise, and you have every right to not want 719 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 4: to have to fight that and to be able to 720 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 4: ask and get feedback and work through things like that 721 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 4: professionally or easily. But it's more about the attitude you 722 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 4: have when you're applying for that job in that I'll 723 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 4: be here for a year and then I'm going to 724 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 4: have to move elsewhere to get a pay rise. In 725 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 4: that I know people who like, go, oh, they haven't 726 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 4: offered me a pay rise yet. So I'm just applying 727 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 4: for other jobs and I'm like, but have you asked 728 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 4: for what? 729 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 5: Have you asked for one or have you. 730 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 3: Said that that's something you want? 731 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 6: And also on the other side of that, are you 732 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 6: actually showing up how you should be showing up to 733 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 6: get a pay rise, like yeah, I think so many 734 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 6: people just think it's part and parcel, and whilst that's 735 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 6: well and good, you need to be able to show 736 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 6: a company that you're actually worth that extra investment. So 737 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 6: I would be going back to how you're actually showing 738 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 6: up in the company and whether it's valid for a 739 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 6: pay rise, because that's often the part that gets missed 740 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 6: the most. 741 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 3: So true. Thank you so much for your time and expertise. 742 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 5: You're ran me and I hope it was helpful. 743 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 4: We've loved having you on. We will I reckon pop 744 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 4: a question another thread in Facebook if anyone has any 745 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 4: other questions. If you guys want another episode with Jamie, 746 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 4: let us know and we can make that happen. 747 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 5: Hit us up. I'm always here, so. 748 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 3: This is doing something different today gets to record. 749 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, a bit fun and thanks for listening everybody, Bye. 750 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: Bye, Thank you so much for listening to another episode 751 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: of the Rise and Concer podcast. 752 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 5: If you enjoyed it and. 753 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: Want more, come connect with us on Instagram at Riseinconquer 754 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: dot podcast and join our Facebook discussion group a Rise 755 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: and concor podcast community. We're an independent podcast and we 756 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: have a small team, so we do appreciate your time 757 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: and support. 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