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Speaker 2: All right, let's get it. When I got out in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and fifteen, I, you know, have my little

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Speaker 2: just kicked back, Yeah, I've done a legging. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'll get out. You got your much? Yeah, And I

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Speaker 2: could have walked down with my shoulders say, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: done my legging. Now I can just get back to life.

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Speaker 2: It ended up. You know, it was a downfall for

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Speaker 2: me that I backed myself that much because I didn't

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Speaker 2: experience so much hardship, whereas I see other people coming

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Speaker 2: and they missed the family and this and that and

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Speaker 3: Lads and ladebts, Welcome back to another episode of Brows

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Speaker 3: and come.

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Speaker 2: On energy, lads.

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Speaker 3: We have a special guest today.

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Speaker 2: Who do we have.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna let the man do the honor himself and

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Speaker 3: introduce his name, who he is and what he does,

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen. Prince and so the brother here, Prince.

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Speaker 3: This guy, I've been in touch with him for a while. Actually,

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Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of his content. He's not new

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Speaker 3: to the game. A lot of you guys that are

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Speaker 3: watching Brozen cons our audience, they will be familiar with

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Speaker 3: your face on social media. He's been doing some amazing

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Speaker 3: stuff and a lot of his background actually stems from

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Speaker 3: the exact same path or the exact same cloth that

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Speaker 3: we were cut from. And when I say that, I'm

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Speaker 3: talking about ex convicts. So I'm gonna let Jared give

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Speaker 3: us a bit of a rundown. We'll go all the

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Speaker 3: way back to the beginning. Uh, basically where you grew up,

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Speaker 3: how it was in your childhood life coming up to prison.

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Speaker 3: What how did you shift? How do you know, translate

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Speaker 3: with everything, and we'll go from there.

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Speaker 2: Bro So, I guess nothing too, you know how the

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Speaker 2: ordinary growing up. Grew up around the boom Way area

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Speaker 2: when I was really little, ended up, you know, I

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Speaker 2: grew up single, single, single mother home. Yeah, moved into

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Speaker 2: from there. Where you from? Like what nesinarily that's from

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Speaker 2: from Ireland?

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Speaker 4: Well Island, Yeah, it's it's actually pretty rare to see

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Speaker 2: There you got Fijian and Island. How does that a billion?

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Speaker 2: That's the Orange Beard? But who traveled both of them?

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Speaker 2: Both both parents came here for work. I pretty young

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Speaker 2: and met had me and the rest is history. That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: I've never heard of that, because that's.

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Speaker 4: Man, I do remember. I heard you've done a bit

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Speaker 4: it's actually so it was actually so close to home

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Speaker 4: for me and Ronnie because we better get to sit

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Speaker 4: with boys who've come out of that past, because you

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Speaker 4: know how the boys are they I love talking about it,

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Speaker 4: but none of the especially the Crimson. A lot of

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Speaker 4: for us it's been hard. I've actually been inspired by

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Speaker 4: I want to just take you back to the start,

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Speaker 4: before everything happened, before you got into all the drama.

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Speaker 4: What was your childhood like and what what sort of

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Speaker 2: Look, I think you know, over the years, as we

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Speaker 2: Me and my sister grew up. My mom, loving, beautiful

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've lost it, bro, You know, I

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it's mad to to shout out that there's

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't think that all these and that.

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Speaker 2: I pretty much grew up, you know, in the system

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Speaker 3: Know, work a single I was gonna say, bro, because yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a single mother house.

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Speaker 3: I think we spoke about this on one of our podcasts,

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Speaker 3: the importance of having a father of our absolutely, Bro.

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Speaker 3: It's people don't understand how important our father's voices in

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Speaker 2: It's not easy.

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Speaker 3: Definitely not easy, especially in Sydney. It's pretty expensive here,

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Speaker 3: and like it's pretty hard. It's hard already having two parents. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: a good relationship with this blake. We are very much

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Speaker 3: so I very much see you like a mirror reflection

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Speaker 3: hard a in Sydney. Yeah, pretty tough.

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Speaker 2: Out here, it is, man. I mean, you know, I've

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Speaker 2: come home and I've realized the changes over the years,

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Speaker 2: you know, and yeah, Sydney's definitely changing, not for the

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Speaker 2: not for the better if you ask me, But that's

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Speaker 2: my opinion. Yeah, I think, you know, cost of living

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Speaker 2: But obviously I'm wanting a position to change these issues.

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Speaker 2: Just play the cards we've.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we just got an adapt day roll with your apprentices.

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Speaker 2: And that's what we're good at. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Did you ever feel like it is your responsibility in

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Speaker 2: So like, let's like any little earn that I made

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, but I had kids at that age too,

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Speaker 2: I was just too young, bro. So I didn't know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I was just Bro. I was just

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. I just was able

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Let's see, the system couldn't like help you back

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I mean that that was probably definitely. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and like back then, it's like if you

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Speaker 2: And for once I could actually just you know, I

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Speaker 3: Was there any incident inside prison or anything that happened

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Speaker 4: I want to and you felt like you would have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like that down you threw. You threw some time

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Speaker 2: But you know, it was just I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: and got out Bro, and just I guess I also

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Speaker 2: good boys. Your media connects, yeah, Bro, learn this stuff.

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Speaker 6: Ten toms, Yeah, come ten tons, harder brother.

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Speaker 3: Networking inside is crazy because when these guys got out, Bro,

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Speaker 2: Well, I spent my whole first leg and reading like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't seen one of your video. I was

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Speaker 4: very interested in that. You talked about your fitness in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about that.

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Speaker 4: I'm assuming your lagging would have been like a survival

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like in a sense. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: he trains. It was. It started off as just what

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Speaker 2: and the people that do their thing, and if you

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Speaker 2: I never did that. Yeah. So okay, so that identity,

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Speaker 2: you know, that was like the split.

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Speaker 3: There wasn't great any gray area. There's not the boys

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Speaker 2: Yeah okay, So for me it just became, you know,

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Speaker 2: that that's how I used to do my job. That's

433
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 2: all I knew. BRO was training, training, training, training, and

434
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 2: I was setting goals for myself in training. And I mean,

435
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: I try and get all the boys up together, especially

436
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 2: as I got older and the younger and the boys

437
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 2: coming through. So let's scope boys disorder in today, you know,

438
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 2: and try and get as many as I could. And look,

439
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 2: we had some really good years and some really good

440
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 2: yards with some really good boys doing some big, big,

441
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 2: big circuits, but big workouts, and it was good. And

442
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,959
Speaker 2: it was good, you know, because through that is bonding too,

443
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: especially growing up playing on and the team. You know,

444
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 2: you bond. I have to have a massive everyone's dead

445
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: on the ground and you feel good. But yeah, I

446
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 2: guess for me, look at started young. I remember Sat

447
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,719
Speaker 2: ten coming with you would have been early on. One

448
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 2: of the boys came down from Golden on the boys

449
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 2: and and to one of tong one boys and he

450
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 2: grabbed me. I was just doing chin ups and that

451
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 2: and you had nothing, and he goes, let's go. I said, yeah,

452
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: goes the scale. We're gonna jog. Then we're doing this

453
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 2: with jumping tables with the bear crawls and lake frogs,

454
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: And I said, oh rh, all right, sweet you know,

455
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 2: I wasn't too exposed to this sort of intensity at

456
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 2: the stage, but he said he basically said to me, nig,

457
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: when the squad comes running, you know, we're going to

458
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 2: be jumping all over them and those words. I was like, okay,

459
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 2: because we're training for war. Because we're training for war

460
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: in here, we're not training for anything else other than war. Well,

461
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, brows, I have this like wave.

462
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 2: I was like, this is what I'm talking about, you

463
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: know what I mean? This is this is the mentality

464
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: that that people should have in here. And I say

465
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: it now and it's almost like I'm glorifying it, which

466
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 2: I'm completely not. This is reality. The fact that this

467
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: mentality and this conversation marked me, the amount of devastation

468
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 2: that followed this conversation over the next thirteen to fourteen years,

469
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, it speaks for itself. So

470
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: that moment I thought, yeah, it motivated me. I got

471
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 2: you know, I thought that this is it, this is

472
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: what I'm about. Cut all these years later, I was like,

473
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: I can't believe that that's my mentality.

474
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, pivoted from that one moment they gave me this,

475
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: it just goes to so how important it is.

476
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 4: Oh, where we speak as elder, as elderess to our

477
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 4: young is the words that instilled in your mind so.

478
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 3: Powerful, so powerful, they're like I swear. That's why we

479
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: even every time we speak, we always try to speak

480
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: off because we know how powerful words can be when

481
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 3: they're planted into a kid's brain, especially when their brain

482
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 3: is still trying to find their identity. They don't know

483
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 3: how who they are. And you were speaking about it

484
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 3: before you were a misfit. You're still trying to figure

485
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: out who you are. That is the perfect soil for

486
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: someone to plant to see the one hundred percent should

487
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 3: it be an evil seed, he's gone, he's finished, finished, Bro,

488
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: That's why I believe, like a lot of people, even adults,

489
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 3: but even boys.

490
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: I see you know throughout the years, identity is ninety

491
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: nine percent of the time it's formed. It's not intentionally

492
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: crafted and designed. Yeah, that's where that's where the problem

493
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: starts and ends is in that identity who that person is,

494
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: and a lot of it is formed by your environment,

495
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: by your perception of what people expect you to be.

496
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 2: You see good boys come in, but especially the Island,

497
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: the boys they come into jud because they've had a fight. Yeah,

498
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: they end up doing seven years, you know, because they

499
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: end up jumping some you know, to learn them all

500
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: love for people, because that's what they expected to do.

501
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: And they said, this guy thinks I'm expected to be

502
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 2: a hard brother. You know, I'm expecting one. I'm big,

503
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: I'm tough, and that's probably not who they are if

504
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: they get to the core of it, you know what

505
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: I mean. Made a mistake. You made a mistake. Brother,

506
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: Let's be real.

507
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 3: You know this is amazing, bro, This is blad.

508
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: You on land is glad. Bro. I was goune.

509
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 5: You're glad that he said, though, because there's so many

510
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 5: people on the outside looking in that don't see it

511
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 5: in that way where you're formed, when your mind is

512
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 5: still trying to develop and mature and at a very

513
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 5: young age, and people on the outside are saying, you

514
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 5: do have the choice to make to do things right,

515
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 5: but they don't see it in that way. So you're

516
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 5: a perfect example because we've been for it ourselves. Yeah,

517
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 5: it's not as easy as just like, oh, just do

518
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 5: the right thing, do the choice.

519
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 6: You're a product of your environment, as we always say.

520
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 3: And how did the how do these kids like how

521
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 3: did they find their identity like at their at their

522
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: young age, how do they block the noise and how

523
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: do they see that all of this ship is just

524
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 3: outside noise.

525
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, but I mean it took me. My last

526
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: sentence was you know, it was a super high profile case,

527
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: bro like very hard. My colleag is actually now two

528
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: of them are serving life sentences never to be released,

529
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: so that they're unfortunately that's the call is on the

530
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: eight years time. Yes, well two of us, three of

531
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: us actually were blessed with sentences where we're going to

532
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: get out two of us, two of them were sentenced

533
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: to three life sentences consecutive. Yeah. Well, you know there

534
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: was a big, big profile case, you know, massive investigation.

535
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 2: The case was kept secret for years through you know,

536
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 2: only select officers would even know about it. And when

537
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: I came in, obviously I knew we're going to be

538
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: in for a ride here. You know, I had alerts

539
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: that we were saying, you can't even be interviewed by

540
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: new self as police force until you have clearance from

541
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 2: a higher agency. Woll Yeah, Like they were showing me

542
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: my my stuff, So I knew I'm in for a

543
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: ride here, you know, and set Grove both spent so many,

544
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: you know, years in segrad because of it wouldn't let

545
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: us out anywhere. Yeah, so years instead grow bow And

546
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, maybe myself. I was always a realist,

547
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 2: Like I said to you, when I was growing up,

548
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: I knew that the world was a bad place. You know,

549
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: I saw people good people and good people. So I

550
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: was very aware of consequences and decisions. And you know,

551
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: I knew, bro, when I'm in this game, if I'm

552
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: in this game making these things, we're gonna You're gonna

553
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 2: get pinched. You know what I mean, Joel is inevitable.

554
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: It's just you try and minimize your risk, to do

555
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: as less chill as possible, to get as less as possible, and.

556
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: Get as much reward out of what you're doing as.

557
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: Much reward, bro. So it's I know, you know when

558
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: I got grabbed, you know, I remember Homicide came in

559
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: and started reading all their charges and everything else. You know,

560
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 2: it was a big show, and I was just sat

561
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: in the back of the of the truck and I

562
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: just had this wave of peace come over me. You know,

563
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, that's over, that's done. Now

564
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: I can just focus on what's going to come my

565
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 2: way now.

566
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

567
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: So I was always very strategic in that thinking. And

568
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: I guess once I got back into jail, I was

569
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: only out for a year and a bit, segro segro

570
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: segro I was like, all right, you know this, this

571
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: is what I'm gonna I'm going to determine what happens

572
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: from here because no one's given me an answer. It

573
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how much I want to go on with it.

574
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: I was always someone that I would never kick the doors.

575
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: I never carry on, you know, I never give the

576
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: screw the satisfaction of that that they're getting to me. Yeah. Yeah,

577
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: And I mean you know, I used to say some

578
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 2: stern words, you know, to the seniors when they're coming,

579
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: and they wouldn't tell me when I'm going to get

580
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: our seg I listen, bring the governor down. Don't take

581
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: my patience for weakness. I think over months they started

582
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: to see this guy would sit quietly. But if we

583
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: don't know what's you know, what's going on? What's going

584
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: on in this sense? So they would bring you know

585
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: whoever to see me, and I say, what what's going on?

586
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: You can't just while we're down here, for so long.

587
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: It's been months going into years. We're all over the place.

588
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: And that's what tell us. We don't know, we're being

589
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: told that we This is how it is. Just get

590
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: used to it, you know. And I was I had,

591
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: you know, for min's they had no TV, no radios.

592
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: Did you can I let you out for one hour or.

593
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: Depends what you were, bro.

594
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: So sometimes you don't even get to know.

595
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: Man, there was there was weeks. Brother, we will get

596
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: the y.

597
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sucked there there three times, just locked locked

598
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 4: the door and that the end.

599
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: No no TV, no, just you and your thoughts, me

600
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: and my thoughts.

601
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: I saw I saw the chaplain one year twenty sixteen,

602
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: and I just said, skim me a Bible, man, Yeah,

603
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: and you got me, you know them little pocket. And

604
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: I always in the testimon the sums, but I read

605
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: that thing back to front, like I can't even tell

606
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: you how many times.

607
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 7: Oh, and I just you know, before I say anything more,

608
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 7: you know, I always say the person I've become now

609
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 7: and all I've been through and the successes that I found.

610
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: Everything, it's always glory, too good for me. But verse

611
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 2: verse of that, I'm yeah, first and foremost so goosebumps.

612
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: Like goosebumps, I wouldn't be able to do or overcome

613
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: or you know, walk the walk I'm walking now or

614
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: without you know, God's glory, bro. So he's He's obviously

615
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: chosen me and his best me with you know, what

616
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: I can do now and what I'm doing bro, So

617
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: that's crazy. He's got a big plan for you.

618
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 4: Definitely, I was gonna ask you because for me it

619
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 4: was weird, but because like I really.

620
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 6: Started changing more after I've got out.

621
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 4: Was there ever a time throughout this eight years where

622
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 4: you sat down because I can imagine it would have

623
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 4: been hard, but change inside jail. Was there a time

624
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 4: where you sat to sat down in jail like throughout

625
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 4: the eight years and for fuck this, I'm going to change,

626
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 4: like you know.

627
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: Look, this is one thing that I speak to a

628
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: lot of people asked me about this, and you would

629
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: expect it to be a moment, you know. Yeah. But

630
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: one thing that I'm very you know, I'm very certain

631
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: about was that I never truly changed. I'm still always me.

632
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: I've always been me, you know, I've always thought the

633
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: same way. All I do was just make all I

634
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: do now is just make different decisions, brother, I just

635
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: make better decisions. Well. So it wasn't a moment where

636
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: I said change, for it was over the years. I thought,

637
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: all right, you know, I can do these things on

638
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: the street. I can do jail like this, I can

639
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: do these things that people buckle man, people crumble. Yeah,

640
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: I must have some potential, man, Yeah, must best that. Yeah,

641
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm doing this stuff on my head. Yeah, and I

642
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: just thought, you know what, I'm wasting my potential.

643
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: Your boldness, that bravery, bro, you can channel that into something,

644
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: you know.

645
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: Bro, and my kids are growing up. My partner's outside

646
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: holding it down, my mom's blaming herself every day. I said,

647
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: these people care about me. You know, I said I could.

648
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: I can seriously do whatever I want to do. I

649
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: back myself in this game. I'll back myself in that game. Yeah,

650
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: and I guess you know, jail started to change, bro,

651
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: You know, the environment started to change that the calibot

652
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: of grim started to change. Yeah, very sure, Yeah for sure.

653
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: And I started to feel on the out. You know,

654
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: I knew. Asked a lot of the older boys now

655
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: or boys of my generation, they're all over it, bro.

656
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: Some of the brothers got out recently done you finished

657
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: eight or nine And he just said two years two

658
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: years ago, I was over it. It's just not the same.

659
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: Boys are different, the game culture different, is different. And

660
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: like I said before, I'm a realist. But and I

661
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: just said to myself, you're never gonna win in this

662
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: and nah, you're never going to win in this game.

663
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: What am I? Who am I going to try? And

664
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: who am I proving this to? Like? If I seriously

665
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: I want to continue on in this game and continue

666
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: wasting my life, who am I proving it to to

667
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: get to kick the goal of you know, making it

668
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: and then kick back and say, yeah, I told you so.

669
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: Who am I proving this to? Exactly? Risking everything to

670
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: prove to who like none cares. What they're gonna do

671
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: is try and chop you down when you get up,

672
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: And yes, true lad, And I just thought I can't.

673
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: I can't do this to myself first and foremost, you know,

674
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: I think I own myself more. I've seen the devastation

675
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: and you know the harm that all this causes, not

676
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: just to yourself, brother, to the people that care around you.

677
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, was there any I know for when when we

678
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: started moving away from all the streets stuff you also,

679
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 3: and this is inevitable. But the mates that you used

680
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: to hang around with, they just they can't be You

681
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: can't surround yourself with them anymore, not out of hate

682
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: or not out of anything dirty. It's just you would

683
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: know this like as a place of once it's getting

684
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: into business or anything. That stuff poisons your if it's

685
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: next to you. So I ended up cutting off like

686
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: cold turkey. I cut off so much people that I

687
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: like regularly used to talk to, I just cut them off.

688
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: And I just na, I can't talk to these guys anymore.

689
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: They're not on my level, not in the arrogant kind

690
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: of way, but just then, you know, like this, I

691
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: can't surround myself with these guys anymore because they don't

692
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: understand me. I'm running on a different frequency. Is this

693
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: Is this something similar to you?

694
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: Like you know what? Traversally? No, Bro, whoa And this

695
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: is something that a lot of people, when I speak

696
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: about it's sort of draws the line and some people

697
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: agree something. I guess at d the day, Bro, whatever

698
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: works for you works for you me personally, all the

699
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: boys broke from my past, all the boys everybody supports me, Bro,

700
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 2: And I'm blessed. I guess you know, I've done a

701
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: long time. I've done lots of things. You know, I've

702
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: never I've always been good to the people that have

703
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: been good to me. Everybody supported me, they say, Bro,

704
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: this guy has done his time. He's got his kids.

705
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: These kids are growing up. You've got teenage kids, you know.

706
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 2: And I just I had a baby six months ago.

707
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: So I got a new baby. And everyone supports me, Bro,

708
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: Thank god, and I'm blessed for that. But in terms

709
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: of what you were saying, it's it is the way

710
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: that I view it is probably very, very different to

711
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: the whether a lot of boys, such as yourself pro viewer,

712
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: And yes, it is. It makes things easier to do that,

713
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: and it's self awareness that you know, I can't have

714
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: this poison, like you said, it's gonna, you know, interrupt

715
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: my frequency, interro of my plans, and it's not on

716
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: my level. And that's self awareness. And sometimes you have

717
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: to do that. You've gotta cut off, you know, the poison,

718
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: cut it out to progress. For me. The reason why

719
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: my view on it is different is that I guess

720
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: I did so much internal work, Bro, I do so

721
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: much work internally that it doesn't matter about anything external.

722
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: I know who I am, what I'm doing. I can't

723
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 2: be interrupted by external frequencies because I see a little

724
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 2: of fifty million dollar deal going down, and I mustay,

725
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: but more involved do your thing? Boys? You know? Yeah, Now,

726
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: I don't have any part of me that wants to

727
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: be back in that life. I don't have any part

728
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: of me that wants to entertain dramas or act like

729
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: someone I'm not, or you know, show off. And I've

730
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: just done so much internal work on myself that I

731
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: just know exactly who I am, what I want. Nothing

732
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: can nothing can. That's amazing. And yeah, and you know what,

733
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: maybe my situation obviously is different. I had a lot

734
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 2: of time with nothing to think, a lot of time

735
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: to work on myself with no external noise, bro, not

736
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: even the noise of a radio. So I had I

737
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: used that to the best I could. Bro. That's my

738
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: and And I say to some of the younger boys

739
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: that I do speak to that reach out to me

740
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: or that I go and speak with, and I say, look,

741
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: if that's what you need, that's what you need. But

742
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: a lot of these young boys it's not achievable both

743
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: for them to pack up and move on, move on,

744
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: get away from it because Sidney is small. It's a

745
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: small place, bro, have the money to just pack up

746
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: and move. Mum's got a job here for the last

747
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: twenty years. You can't get an Yeah yeah, yeah, So

748
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: what you're wanting to do, What are you going to do?

749
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: You're you're going to see the same faces every day.

750
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: You're going to be in the same environment. There's only

751
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: one thing that's going to change, shoe and you know

752
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: what I mean. So the more the people depend on

753
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: changing their externals, the less they're giving responsibility internals. Yeah

754
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: that's mad. Well, once that internal is built, it's it's portable, bro,

755
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: you take you wherever you go, you know what I mean. Yeah,

756
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: got to keep that, bro, They've got to keep that outside. Edit.

757
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: That's what rosen CON's real right there.

758
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: Like just just for the audience, I don't know, you've

759
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 4: actually done a full one eighty after this eight years

760
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: you've started your own a side business.

761
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk about talking about this has not

762
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: even long after they get it. Now you're still a

763
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: parole now, yeah, still too, you on parole?

764
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 6: Tell us about come out and punch the business venture out. Yeah,

765
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 6: come out, just stay punching goals.

766
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, you know how we are, bro,

767
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: you know I mentality boys like us. We just it's

768
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: always what's next. Yeah, what's the what's next? But welcome

769
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: into what. I'm hungry, I'm I'm driven, I'm you know. So,

770
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: I actually had no idea what I saw it was.

771
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: I had no obviously, I had no idea what it was.

772
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: I caught up with a close brother of mine when

773
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: I came home. Low key, Yeah, you guys would know

774
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: the brother lother tongue in the facil.

775
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

776
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 2: So we're caught up for a coffee bran, and he said,

777
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: what are you going to do? You know what? What's

778
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: the plans? I said, Bro, I just want to I'm

779
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: gonna I'm want to go hard. I need to work

780
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: out what's what's you know. I got to keep my

781
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: head to the ground to be and see what's kicking

782
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: out here. I don't know. I don't know how people

783
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: to move. I don't know what's what's because they're in

784
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 2: for so long. Bro, what I mean I sort of

785
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: shut off from outside. Ye, I'm inside and I just

786
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: keep back inside. So so I'm gonna have to kick

787
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: back and little bit of scheming and see what's what's

788
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: worth my energy? You know. And he said, have you

789
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: heard of a Sien? I thought the beer you know that? Yeah,

790
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 2: said yeah, And he said, what do you get into that? Hell,

791
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: how am I going to get into beer? He said, no,

792
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: that it's it's a sie. It's like a trend. And

793
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: he showed me TikTok hursty Monkey. He showed me. He

794
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: goes like this thing, you know, yeah, because they're obviously

795
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: the biggest in the game. They are at the time.

796
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: And and I said, bro, what what's this? I'm not

797
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: going to work an ice cream shop. Help me? Why

798
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: this stuff? And he's like, na, man, he goes, look,

799
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: because I think you're you'd really like this, bro, because

800
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: I think you could do really well in this. You know,

801
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: it's something that he does. Look if he said to me,

802
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: you know, he went speaking and he said, you know,

803
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: if I had time and stuff, I'd love to do

804
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: something like this because it's fine. It's community and I'm

805
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: a big community person too, you know. And it's a

806
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: volume game. Bro. You know how hard you go, how

807
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: much you get out of it, you know, you're want

808
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: to pump volume work yeah. So it's like it's it's

809
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: basically a shell. How much effort you put into it,

810
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: how much return you can expect from it. And I

811
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: love that. I love that sort of businesses, you know

812
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 2: what I mean, because I'm just luck you guys, bro,

813
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: we just go getters. Yeah. So I went home that

814
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 2: night and I started looking into it and started resear

815
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: in machines and shops and went to a couple and

816
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: I couldn't eat it. I didn't like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

817
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: I couldn't like it, bro. And then yeah, I started

818
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: getting into it, looking more into it, and then I

819
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: thought to myself, I said, you know what, I might

820
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: give this, give this a Yeah. It's because the way

821
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: I looked at it, and I was watching shops for

822
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: a while and going to the same place and watching

823
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: how everything was like, you know what they do. It's

824
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: it's the same thing every day. These shops are like

825
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: three four products. Yeah, you just master it and it's

826
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: copy and paste, copy and copy past yeah yeah yeah.

827
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

828
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: If I do this and I start this up, well

829
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: I reckon in six months it's running itself and I can,

830
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: you know, focus on what's next. Yeah. Yeah, So that's

831
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: pretty much. What Well, why I jumped into a bow

832
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: because I could see that if I established it really

833
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: well and had good you know, operating practices and stuff

834
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: like that, it would run itself. Yeah. And thank god,

835
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: now we're just over a year and it's doing well

836
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 2: and it's running itself. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so I started,

837
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: we launched, but I think I had my grand opening

838
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: fourteen weeks after I got out. Sixteen weeks guineas World record.

839
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 3: There's some sort of award for that. But I asked,

840
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: is this this set up not not only fast business

841
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: set up, but the fastest business that has good cash flow?

842
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: Because anyone gets started business, but they have a business

843
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 3: that is actually working making good cash flow. That's a

844
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: whole nother thing.

845
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

846
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 4: And I realized when I because I started learning about

847
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 4: aside as every shop is different. Yeah, bro, Like even

848
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 4: though it's so like the ingredients are like pretty much

849
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 4: the same.

850
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, every shop that it tastes different. Yeah, what would

851
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 6: you say, your your touch is yours?

852
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: You guys actually like get knuckled down to every ingredient

853
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: that goes in.

854
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. But absolutely, And that was one thing for me.

855
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: Anything that I do, I'm going to do properly bro.

856
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: So even when I get the girls stuff. Sometimes I've

857
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: been the scales out, you know, down to wig in

858
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: how much exactly it goes in and we pay prim

859
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: we pay top dollar. Look you see the videos on

860
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: TikTok about how much it costs and why they're so expensive. Yeah,

861
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: imagine a really small, very slim It's a volume game.

862
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: Have to be a good shop with really good product,

863
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: good customer service, accessible hours to do well because that's.

864
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 3: What makes the difference.

865
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: Of course, it's volume, because it's not like one to

866
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 2: say your cost you dos to make yourself a twenty bucks,

867
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: but they're expensive to make. Yeah, really honestly is it's

868
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: and it's only getting more and more expensive when when

869
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: the when there's a adverse weather the fruits go through

870
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: the roof. Yeah, strawberries are like four dollars, five dollars

871
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 2: for they are they are people a companion. You get

872
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: one strawberry, that one strawby cost you four dollars, you

873
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

874
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: The planets are crazy.

875
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 4: Like when everyone went to go buy one machine because

876
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 4: I was speaking about it, Yeah, all the machine was

877
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 4: it was like worth twenty thousand.

878
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: I was like, forget about Yeah, but thirty grand it's

879
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: an expensive business to say.

880
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: Got a shout out, low key, but still looking looking

881
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: out for I don't know, I don't know if you know,

882
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: but he helped us even like in our twenty one

883
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: district days when we're wrapping. He was probably one of

884
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: the first people to reach out to us and bring

885
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: us in the studio. And like you know, I could

886
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 3: tell from very early on, Bro, this tongue and is different. Yeah,

887
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: it's not like the other tongue is just the way

888
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: he spoke. He's so he was very calculated the way

889
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 3: he spoke. Every time I said something, I could see

890
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: his eyes just calculating everything I said.

891
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: You know, big shout out to that big shout out

892
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: to the brother lay Key's pure heart, bro. Yeah, your

893
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: heart was duffing in return from anything, just once to

894
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: see boys do well. Yeah. So these our people, bro,

895
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, Bro, that's that's pretty much how it started.

896
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: And from them. I remember the opening night, we had

897
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: over a thousand people there. All the cars came down

898
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: and I give everything away for free. You know I've

899
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: seen that that that line was for free. It was

900
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: for free that Wow, did you get such a big

901
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: crowd there, bro. It was huge. He had the whole community.

902
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: When we posted it, we just sharded for everyone. You know,

903
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: my network, our makes networks, our kids, all the kids

904
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: around the area, keep the network. Just all the boys supporting.

905
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: Just share it. They said, free aside you from this

906
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: time to this time, come back. That's amazing. Bro over

907
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: like two hundred and fifty kilos for free, BROA. People

908
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: are loving it was nuts.

909
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: Oh that I was sweating.

910
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: Man.

911
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 3: Surely yea, surely cops would have came in and tried

912
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 3: to bro because there was so much people.

913
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: But it was literally like, that's a massive car park

914
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: where we are. That's huge, Bro, that's that car park.

915
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: Services like a massive business park, gyms flip out huge

916
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 2: and people were parking one hundred meters down the street

917
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: outside there to walk up. It was it was I

918
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: was so humbled. I was like, my last memory was

919
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: literally is muster?

920
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah literally, like that still would have been fresh too

921
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 3: in your mind sixteen weeks.

922
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like, well, yeah, you know.

923
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: One thing, one thing I really admired about you because

924
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: there's a lot of there's there's quite a few of

925
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: us ex convicts. We come out and we we start

926
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: you know, making sense of the world, punching businesses. But Bro,

927
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: one thing that I really related to you because I

928
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: can see you have a store, You've got a success business.

929
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: But then he messaged me off like behind the scene

930
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: and like it sounds like you want more, and I'm like,

931
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: broh this guy. This guy's like there's a hybrid. So

932
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: there's entrepreneurs and then there's the hybrid entrepreneurs that you know,

933
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: one thing is never enough. We can't you can't keep

934
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: all your eggs in one basket, and you're always looking

935
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 3: at what's next. All right, this is this is working. Now,

936
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: let me see what else I can do. This is

937
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 3: amazing bro.

938
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: For me. Now, where I'm at, thank god, you know,

939
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: perplet Prince is doing really well. I'm actually looking to

940
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: franchise now. Yeah, so I want to expand, not too much.

941
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: I just want to keep it contained. It's a really

942
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: good model, really good business. But I'm so proud of it.

943
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: I love it and it can bring happiness to people.

944
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: So I do want to keep that going and keep

945
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: pushing that in the background. But where I'm at now

946
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: is I'm really focusing on what's next for me, Bro,

947
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: and it's not you know, building businesses and all this stuff.

948
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: I really want to go into helping people. Yeah, I

949
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: mean that that's my passion. That's where I'm at in life.

950
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: And I believe that's you know, I believe I went

951
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: through all I went through and come out the other

952
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: side the person that I've become to do something about it,

953
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: not to rate that, you know what I mean. And

954
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 2: I'm happy, But I don't need you know, I don't

955
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: need a million bucks, you know, hundreds or millions, and

956
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: all the fame and fortune in the world. But as

957
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: long as my kids are happy and my kids are safe,

958
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: my family is healthy, and you know, we we we

959
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: can live comfortably. And I can imagine together they will

960
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: be so happy with you and like their tievements be

961
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: tipping ow. They love it that they have their own

962
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: sorry truck in the yea. I love seeing them proud.

963
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: You know, my son works there, my daughter likes to

964
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: go work there. You know, that's the best. That's It's

965
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: just a humbling feeling. But you know what I mean.

966
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: Like to think about you know, the knights lying in

967
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: you know cells, bro, like it's so hot, literally, like

968
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: we're wetting the floor to lie on the wet floor

969
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: to get the breeze under the door that first, you know,

970
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: that's got to go down as the jail is it

971
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: is it?

972
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: Actually?

973
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: What's your first thing from your experience?

974
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: Baffast is the worst I've been. I've been pretty much

975
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: every single main gel in the state bar probably three,

976
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: and that is by far, conditions wise, the worst. I

977
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: spent years there, but yeah, it was the worst conditions.

978
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 3: Was there ever anything specific you went through a Bafforst

979
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: where you thought, fuck this is wrong part.

980
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: Now where you were winning the floor? Yeah? It was

981
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: Christmas time, yeah, a few thousand and thirteen fourteen, Yeah, okay,

982
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 2: so as you know that time of the year it's

983
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: lockings bro all locking, locking, and it was like that

984
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: year it was like forty plus degree days over Christmas

985
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 2: and years and we were on the backside top level

986
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: see one two. We were sweepers. I don't know why

987
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: we had this cell. It was the hottest cell. But

988
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: we had the sun you know the backside of Sea

989
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: one too. Yeah, sun lazers through and all, and there's

990
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: no air corning.

991
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: Now.

992
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: No, it's like we were. We were throwing the water

993
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: on the floor and lying in the water. It was

994
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: dry and evaporating within ten minutes. We were getting so

995
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: so wet. Me and my silly were taking turns ten

996
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes each to slide the crack of the door

997
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: to get the air flow on our face broke because

998
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: we think we're going to die in there was that

999
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: hot man.

1000
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: But that's approse of conceert real right there.

1001
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: Like that's but even the screws, like you know, I'm

1002
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 2: they're they're the worst of the worst in that yarld too. Bro. Really,

1003
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: I've dealt with like so many screws and so many joels,

1004
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: and some of them just go there to do their job,

1005
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: to do their job, see it, and they do that.

1006
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: We do us like I'm a big thing of you

1007
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: do your office, We do the yard. Yeah, you don't

1008
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: blow the lines, But these guys go out of their

1009
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: way into the yard to mess up. And that's that's

1010
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: why that mentality also strengthens, you know, us versus them. Yeah,

1011
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: they were even them. I remember it was Christmas Eve

1012
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: maybe and it was a lock in and when they

1013
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: opened the door, no, no, it's Christmas Day. So we

1014
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: did the lunches and didn't you know, get locked in early.

1015
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: You get your Turkey and all that early and they

1016
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: came around to like free something to do head check,

1017
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: and the screw just because we were the sweepers, opened

1018
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 2: it and he just goes, are you guys all right?

1019
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: I've never been spoken to a screw like that in

1020
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: badfast And he goes with you just hide in their

1021
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 2: ray and we go fucking hot in here. You can't

1022
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: breathe in here, you guys the first sorry for his

1023
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: boys and shut the door. And I've never literally never

1024
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: had human encounter with a screw at that gel. And

1025
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: that's like, that's how bad it was, even tho they

1026
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: knew how bad. Yeah, it was torture, you know, it

1027
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: was torture. Bro.

1028
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 5: I have to say, if there was one Gail that

1029
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 5: built my character, arguably, it's a bad first. And they were,

1030
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 5: like so many boys are just I guess traumatized by

1031
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 5: the environment that there was no motivation to train or

1032
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 5: do anything.

1033
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 2: Very small group. That's why.

1034
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where he started copping times because uh, it's

1035
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 4: a long story short, but I tried to do more

1036
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 4: time with him to make it to minimum. And anyways,

1037
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 4: we he went to Bathist, I went to McCory and

1038
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 4: I was supposed to go to Oberon, went to Oberon,

1039
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 4: China call where the fuck is Ronny? He's still in

1040
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 4: bafist The birds got more touches.

1041
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: I was like, it's you know what, put a bunch

1042
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 2: of boys that have nothing to lose in a hot yard.

1043
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: What are you going to expect? What are you going

1044
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: to do? You can go crazy take from us broke.

1045
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 2: We got fucking in the yard. But back when I

1046
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: was there, I remember I b B three four was

1047
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: the Bronx bro like see one two was bad, but

1048
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: B three four was straight tip yard and was the

1049
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: getting chopped for in anything, anything bro anything, And it

1050
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: was just I was I was sweep by B one

1051
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: two for ages there, you know. So I used to

1052
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: go into be free for you to keep back for

1053
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: the boys, and they just think, but what do these

1054
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: people think? What are they expecting to happen? Love bro?

1055
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: They used to like the screws used to love it. Yeah,

1056
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: the squad there was just at the gate ready to

1057
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: guess you, ready for it if they That was the

1058
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: culture that was just still in that Gail. You know,

1059
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: there was a wrongs bro for a bea class so

1060
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: that I don't know has a bea class I should

1061
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: have been Max A two.

1062
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 4: You know, I wanted to ask you this question because

1063
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 4: of all the years I've done there might be hard

1064
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 4: to answer this, But what is there you might have

1065
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 4: like vivid like the memories of everything?

1066
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 6: Was there any like memory that stood out for you, Blenny.

1067
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: Man that you know. I actually did a little video

1068
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: on YouTube of one of the boys that I mentored

1069
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: out of Oberon and he's doing well now, thank god,

1070
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: he's got his panel beating shop. But he said to me,

1071
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: I've never looked back, Brian. You know me, I look

1072
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: back every day to see how far I've come when

1073
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: I'm as you know, the memories that I created with

1074
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: brothers in that place, like my one of my daughter's godfathers,

1075
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: both of my daughter's godfathers are from jail. Wow, I've

1076
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: created friendships for life, bro. Yeah. So I there's stories

1077
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: and memories that I've got from that place that no

1078
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 2: one will ever take. You'll carry forever. But I mean, like, well,

1079
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: what kind of memories that you get to like good

1080
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: memories or life changing memories?

1081
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1082
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 4: Well, like any like That's why exactly what I was

1083
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 4: going to say, maybe memories, because I do have a

1084
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 4: lot of like good memories that like I will never

1085
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 4: figure like some of the brothers that you meet there,

1086
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 4: Like I've had times in there that like I've been

1087
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: more happier than I've ever been on the outside. And

1088
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 4: I was thinking maybe you would have some memories obviously,

1089
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 4: like you have some good memories with the brothers. Is

1090
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 4: there any memory that stood out for you? Oh?

1091
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: Man, there's heaps. Look, I want to give you guys

1092
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: one or two because you know, I'm just let it

1093
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: come back to it. I want to give you guys something.

1094
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: I want to just get something good. But I'll think

1095
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: of something good.

1096
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 4: I'm actually excited because you are doing a lot of

1097
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: content that we're excited to see what's coming up next man,

1098
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 4: and see what other ventures you got going on. What's

1099
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 4: your Do you have any like maybe maybe some teasers

1100
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 4: you can give to orders. Do you have anything coming up?

1101
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 4: But are you planning on doing some more vlogs? I

1102
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 4: know you're doing your your own show as well.

1103
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: Yes, we got we got a pretty broad audience that

1104
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: watch Brosen concert plug your stuff.

1105
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 2: Like that audience. Yeah. Look, look in terms of soft

1106
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: purple principle, and you know that's my number one thing though,

1107
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: So I'm loving and I'm going to expand is you know,

1108
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: until I feel fit. But I guess what I'm doing

1109
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 2: now is you guys know social media, you know, like

1110
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: I had to learn how to use a phone. Yeah,

1111
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 2: it's very very new to me. I'm doing my best,

1112
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: and I'm really trying to build a legacy rather than

1113
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: an empire, I guess. Yeah. So you know, I've had

1114
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: a few speaking arrangements and you know with some young

1115
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: boys youth mentoring, but I really I'm looking now to

1116
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: I'm actually starting a course, I'm getting accredited in my

1117
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: coaching and and all that sort of stuff. That's my Yeah,

1118
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm going in full, full on into helping people. Bro.

1119
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: I hate seeing people struggle. You know, I've seen so

1120
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 2: much struggle over my life and so much devastation that

1121
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: I just want to see people live their full potential,

1122
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And if there's something that

1123
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: I can do, and I know there's a lot that

1124
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: I can do, I'm i do my part. And you

1125
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: know there's I've formed systems, formed routines, I've formed you know,

1126
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: standards that have gotten me through some of the harshest environments, bro,

1127
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: like and situations in the world, you know, from as

1128
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 2: as obvious as segro to growing up my kids going

1129
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: up at their father and having to deal with that

1130
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: and now be a present father. So there's things that

1131
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: I've worked on a lot intently, and that's that's where

1132
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 2: I'm going both with life now. So I'm just going

1133
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: to hope that I can get as many opportunities to

1134
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: where I can, you know, jump in and do my

1135
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 2: part and really change some lives, bro, Because like I

1136
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: said at the start, anything I do, I backed myself.

1137
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yes, I'm sure you've heard it so many times.

1138
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: But Bro, we just want to give you props, but

1139
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: give you flowers for how far you've come now and

1140
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: you're still even after coming this far, you're dedicating the

1141
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 3: rest of your life to wanting to help other people.

1142
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: This is amazing stuff. This is you.

1143
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 3: You always had this globe, Bro, that I knew that

1144
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: you were different from everyone else. And I told my brothers,

1145
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 3: I remember when I when I came across the article,

1146
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: the news article real, and I sent it to my

1147
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: brothers and I go, Bro, I want this guy on

1148
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 3: bros and cons.

1149
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: This guy is one of us. I can see it.

1150
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 3: I can see it in the way you present yourself,

1151
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 3: the way you talk.

1152
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: There's just this.

1153
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 3: You have a pure heart, and I can see it.

1154
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 3: I can see it in the way you talk, the

1155
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: way you, you know, present yourself, the way you communicate.

1156
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: It's good, bro.

1157
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 4: I feel like this won't be the first time, but

1158
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 4: hopefully we can get together soon together definitely, bro men.

1159
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 4: I really love the show, but thank you so much

1160
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 4: for coming on everyone. That's purple Prince. I really appreciate

1161
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 4: the deep conversations. This is one of my favorite episodes.

1162
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 4: But I love talking to the boys and they. I

1163
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 4: feel like I've learned you for a while. Hopefully we

1164
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 4: get to see it again.

1165
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 2: Everyone.

1166
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 4: We're gonna tag the socials everything, give them my follow

1167
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 4: support the brother Hopefully we get together again and do

1168
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 4: something together.

1169
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: This is bros and coins. We see you guys at

1170
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 2: the next up.