1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Here at two Good Sports, we would like to acknowledge 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land on which we record 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: this podcast. 4 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 2: The were Inurie people. This land was never seated, always was, 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: always will be. Hello and welcome to two Good Sports. 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: It's sports news. 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Told differently on the greatest week of the calendar year. No, 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Christmas in New Year. It is 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: AFL Grand Final week. And joining us again this week 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: is Laura Spairway. 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: Laura, it's our Christmas, isn't it? It is our Christmas Yay, 12 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: best time of the year. It is the best time 13 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: of the year. 14 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: And something that punctuates this week is Monday Night's Brownlow 15 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Medal and that is our main discussion. Our deep dive 16 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: for this week is a topic that it's surfaced its 17 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: head when Patrick Cripps got off at the tribunal and 18 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: it's going to be a discussion again with Isaac Keeney 19 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: being ruled out of this year's medal, is should the 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: fairest element be removed from the best and fairest That 21 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: is the Brownlow Medal and undeniably the best individual honor 22 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: that you can win in the AFL, huge honor, definitely 23 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: the most prestigious. Otherwise people wouldn't care about it as much. 24 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: And the interesting thing to me is that clubs pretend 25 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: and players pretend. I think sometimes that it's about the team. Oh, 26 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: come on, it's. 27 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: About the team. It is. 28 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: It is clearly in the back of their minds, particularly 29 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: when they have players who are in the mix, and 30 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: particularly when it doesn't go the way they want. I 31 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: think that there are players and my brain immediately goes 32 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: to Nathan Buckley that said that he would trade his 33 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: Brownlow in a heartbeat for a Premiership medal. But that 34 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: is not what this part of the show is about. 35 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: This part of the show is about good sport and 36 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: bad sport. And I'm going to start us off with 37 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: my good sport and it is the goodest sport. And 38 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: by that I mean, you know the outage. Don't meet 39 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: your heroes. Everyone should meet Bruce mcaveny. Oh, everyone should 40 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: meet Bruce. And yes, this sounds like a seven beat up, 41 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: but the fact that he is bad for the last 42 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: couple of weeks in September in any capacity calling AFL 43 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: warms the cockles of my heart. I am just he 44 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: is the most delightful person and sports fans around Australia 45 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: of course, No, Bruce from not only Olympics and athletics 46 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: and horse racing that he's still a part of, but 47 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: he and Den just being the iconic voices that we've 48 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: had forever in AFL and to hear him back is 49 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: just something that I think is so it gives gravity, 50 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: doesn't it? 51 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: It does? And I know you're a fangirl. 52 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: No, I know you're a massive fangirl from way back, 53 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: and to be honest, we all are. 54 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: He is a national treasure, this man. 55 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: The way he continues to operate, his encyclopedic knowledge, his 56 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: preparation is unlike anything I've ever seen it. It is incredible. 57 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: It is so good to see him back in the mix. 58 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: And after being out of it, he'll just sidle back 59 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: in and still be like the best. Yes, and that's 60 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: what's so impressive about him. So it's so great to 61 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: have him involved. I don't know anyone who doesn't appreciate 62 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: what he's brought to sport. And he's just such a 63 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: lovely personality to go along with how talent and the 64 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: little peep behind the veil of course, the who's who 65 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: were part of our commentary team and they'll all be 66 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: there on the last Saturday in September to watch the 67 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: greats and the giants of the game, and how much 68 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: they almost genuflect when that man walks in, not only 69 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: because of how good he is it is craft, but 70 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: just how. 71 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: Kind and wonderful he is as a person. He's special. 72 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: Pardon the puna. Who's your good sport? Bad sport? Who 73 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: brings to the table. 74 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: So my good sport is Nicole Piastre, She's the best. 75 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: Oscar Piastre's mum, purely for her tweet that she was 76 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 1: going to miss Pilarates after his recent Grand Prix win, 77 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, that's that's a legitimate excuse 78 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: to miss Pilardes, unlike mine, which is I'm just not 79 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: up to it today. 80 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: I'm just not feeling it. 81 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: Also, if he ever questioned whether or not Oscar Piastre 82 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: was from brighton the fact his mum is tweeting about Pilates, yes, 83 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: probably gives you enough of a message. But she has 84 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: gone game busses. 85 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: She's global. She is she is, and I love that 86 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: she's leading into it. Yeah, I really do. Why not? 87 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: And she got to actually be at this one? 88 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, his second win at Aserbajan and got to have 89 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: the cuddle and everything else, which is great. Yeah, but 90 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: I just love the personality to her, and I think, 91 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, he's going to be around for a while. 92 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: She's going to be riding this wave that he is on, 93 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: which is incredible. But I just thought, you know, I 94 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: love someone that can inject a bit of humor into 95 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: these situations totally. 96 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: And yeah, it just. 97 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: Made me think, you know what, I need a legitimate 98 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: excuse and I just don't have one. Do you think 99 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: that any other male in their early twenties would be like, Mum, 100 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: do you reckon? 101 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: You could lay off the Twitter? Do you reckon? You 102 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: could do less. It's not about you. I just want 103 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 2: to I just want to gp leave me alone. You 104 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: know what. 105 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: Maybe, but I have to say, if it was me, 106 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: I'd be like, this is my moment. 107 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: For all those trime sacrifice that I drove you where 108 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 2: you need it to be, I'm taking my moment. 109 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: I think his dad said as a family, they'd poured 110 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: more than five million dollars into his development. 111 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah again, brighton, because I don't know. 112 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if many people have the money and 113 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: the funds and like to be able to actually support 114 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: their kid to get there like that. But in that case, 115 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: you miss your pilates and you're part of the story. 116 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: Nicolo love that. 117 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: So speaking of injecting yourself into the story, we haven't 118 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: discussed our thoughts on this, and I'm so excited to 119 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: find out what you think about the Brown Law criteria 120 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: that's coming up. On Monday night, there will be a 121 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: red carpet rolled out of the Palladium. There will be 122 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: too many people in spanks, there will be shining lights 123 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: and glistening dresses and it is the most watched red 124 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: carpet in the country, which is just unbelievable when you 125 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: think that this is not the Arias, it's not the Low. Yes, 126 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: it is the Brownlow and it is the most prestigious 127 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: medal that we have in the AFL. And while you 128 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: might think that it's all about the glamour, it really 129 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: is about who is the best and fairest of our game. 130 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: And some of those names that have been up in lights, 131 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: you are really carved into history, particularly those who win 132 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: more than one. And this year it is expected that 133 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: Patrick Cripps, maybe we'll find out. We're recording this before 134 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: the night and Patrick Cripps might go and become one 135 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: of those double winners. But the debate Laura that is 136 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: raging and has been raging for a few years now, 137 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: given the way that the game is officiated and how 138 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: it's been changed, is whether or not the Brownlow Medal 139 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: needs to remove the fairest element to stop players and 140 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: it's going to happen someone getting ruled out for an 141 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: incident that was a bit innocuous but resulted in a 142 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: concussion and that they got suspended and then they didn't 143 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: get what is essentially our MVP. I have very strong 144 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: feelings about it, and I am dying to know yours. 145 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: So I think as long as this award is an 146 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: umpires award, and that's what it is, it is the 147 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: umpires who decide for those who aren't aware. At the 148 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: end of every game, they award votes to the player 149 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: that they deem the best and fairest three two one 150 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: votes per game. As long as it is their award, 151 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: this fairest component stays because that's the award. It's about 152 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: following the rules of the game to the best of 153 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: your ability as much as it is about your on 154 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: field performance. The thing is when the penalties and the 155 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: sanctions that are being handed out to players become as 156 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: strict as they have. That hasn't been reflected in how players, 157 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: for example, may or may not be eligible at the 158 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: end of the year. 159 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: So we are now in an environment. 160 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: Where you can be struck out because of a careless act, 161 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: for example, rather ball action that resulted in an unfortunate 162 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: and particularly, let's be honest, we're talking about ct We're 163 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: talking about concussion, and that is what the game is 164 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: desperate and AFL is desperate to stamp out, and understandably so, 165 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: I think we all want to see head knocks taken 166 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: out of the game as much as you possibly can 167 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: while protecting the integrity of the game. But we're seeing 168 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: football acts starting to incur one week, two week, even 169 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: if they weren't intentional, and that's where the problem arises. 170 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: And this wasn't the case before. Now if you look back, 171 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: how you were lauded for a shirt front. Correct, it's 172 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: a sling tackle. Courageous, what a hero. Let's show the replay. 173 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: So that's not the case. 174 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: We grew up in the Perth. The derby was just 175 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: a melee. They'd just be swinging. If you were on 176 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: a pub scene, you'd be gone to jail. Yep, and 177 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: we loved it. There's just not anymore, just not anymore. 178 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: There's not a problem with the way the game is 179 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: played changing and that's happened countless times. 180 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: It's not just recently. 181 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: There's constant adaptations to the style of the game, but 182 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: it's not reflected in this award and how it's officiated. 183 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: It's not reflected in in there's no slack, there's no leeway, No, 184 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: there's no you know, you will hand you a strike. 185 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: If it's a one match suspension, for example, that's fair. 186 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: Or if it's a careless act, we're not going to 187 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: treat that the same way as we're going to treat 188 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: an intentional act where you can see that someone has 189 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: set out to cause damage or to hurt someone, or 190 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: the outcome as a result of their intentional action is 191 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: that that player is hurt or is concussed. And I 192 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: think part of the counter argument to anyone saying that 193 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: they want to see change is just how steeped in 194 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: history this medal is. It was first awarded in nineteen 195 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: twenty four for the fairest and best player in the 196 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: V and AFL. The fairest component is achieved by just 197 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: making anyone ineligible that suspended. We know that in the AFL, 198 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: but from nineteen thirty there was a countback system. This 199 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know, so if two players tied, they'd count 200 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: back for who got the most votes over the season. 201 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: The winner was decided by who got the most three 202 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: vote games. And then in nineteen eighty was when they 203 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: decided in our stuff that if you get an equal 204 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: amount of votes, that's it, which is amazing. And we 205 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: have seen that a few times since where the votes 206 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: are actually split, but remarkably not as often as what 207 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: you would think, but there seems to be And in 208 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: my research for this, two schools of thought about this 209 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: one is its history. It ain't broke. It's something unique 210 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: about our game. And we were just saying, I can't 211 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: think of any other MVP or most Valuable player in 212 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: world sport that includes the fairest element. You couldn't in 213 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: some sports, No, you really couldn't. In soccer, it would 214 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: not fly, absolutely not, absolutely not. And in basketball, when 215 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: you think about it, it's always about the MVP. Like 216 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: it's in American sport. They don't really care what you 217 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: do so long as you're the best. So I think 218 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: that that element of its history and it's unique. Therefore 219 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: we need to protect it rather than change it is one. 220 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: And then this other argument is like, well, how far 221 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: do you go? Yes, the game has changed, but do 222 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: you make it that you know, the actions need to 223 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: be deemed to be careless instead of intentional? Or is 224 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: it you're only allowed to reach two matches as a ban. 225 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: And the other thing is too, is if you're ruled 226 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: out for two games, that's two games where you can't poll. 227 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: So that's a handicap in itself. 228 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: Yes, I tend to be in the camp of thinking 229 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: there needs to be a threshold, but then you know 230 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: what if you reach your threshold and then there's another 231 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: incident that you're like, oh, like it just it's not 232 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: going to solve the debate. It's a minefield once you 233 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: start to think about threshold, so you pull the thread 234 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: in it all unwrappeds However, you know, this wouldn't be 235 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: a discussion if it wasn't on the minds of players 236 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: and clubs who have certain people in their organizations who 237 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: were probably in line to get this award. Yes, and 238 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: then it's taken away from them, and there is a 239 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: very good example of that this season in Isaac Eney, 240 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: and I think it even goes back. Isaacen is definitely 241 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: someone that we need to discuss in light of twenty 242 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: twenty four, but it goes back to the twenty twenty 243 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: two winner in Patrick Cribbs and the fact that in 244 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: Laura's it's the Carlton lawyer that really should have got 245 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: the Brownlow medal. It is to get him to get 246 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: him off what was Let's be honest, it was definitely 247 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: a suspendable action, but he went on to win the 248 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: Brownlow and if you had have seen him ruled out, 249 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: I think the large AFL population would have thought that 250 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: it was disappointing rather than thinking it was fair. 251 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: And that's where this debate really sparked up. Yeah. 252 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean, the lawyer spent four plus hours at a 253 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: tribunal hearing arguing why Patrick Cripps should not receive the 254 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: two game suspension and it worked four hours. 255 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: Four hours. 256 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: Imagine watching a piece of tape that goes for about 257 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: two seconds. 258 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: Do you know how many hours? 259 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: Do you know how many years off your life you 260 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: lose when you listen to these tribunal hearings. Since what 261 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: you do in the news horrendous, horrendous. 262 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 2: You're like, oh, just give me the grab. What is 263 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: the point anyway? 264 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: So it's it worked in his favor, and it does 265 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: help that Patrick crips. This is the light of it 266 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: is that he is arguably the best and the fairest 267 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: in the league as any such a likable person. But 268 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: then that's also problematic because you can't tell me there's 269 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: not a bias towards people. There actually is, Like we 270 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: know that Jeremy Cameron's got off things because he's been like, 271 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: we want to use the good bloke card. 272 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 2: Yep, they use that all the time. In these hearings. 273 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: They talk about their records, they go in this length 274 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: of his career, these are the suspensions, these are the fines. 275 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: And this is the other interesting thing that we were discussing. Well, 276 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: you can be suspended for a match, but if you've 277 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: racked up ten grand in fines, yeah that's okay. 278 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: You can still win the award. Yeah. 279 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: Your best example of that this year is Zach Buter's 280 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: sort of character. 281 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: Where he's got a lot of fines. 282 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: He's got fines coming out of his ears, or even 283 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: someone like a Toby Green who you know, the action 284 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: in some cases looks a hell of a lot more 285 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: sinister than what you actually get some suspensions for, but 286 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: they get away with a fine and then you're like, well, 287 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: can you. 288 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: Argue that that's fairest. 289 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: But the Isaac Kinney example, Laura will go back to 290 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: that because I think it's so poignant as to what 291 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: people will be discussing this week as you see his 292 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: name pop up in the count and it will because 293 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: his was a careless throwback of the arm that got 294 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: deemed intentional, that cleaned up Jimmy Webster and the fact 295 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: that Jimmy fell to the ground and everything else. 296 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: But it was. 297 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: The debate, raged, absolutely raged, no that it was going 298 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: to come to a climax this week, and it has. 299 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: And this is where I find it interesting that, like 300 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: I said, often you hear from the players and the 301 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: clubs where we're all about team success. But then in 302 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: the case of Isaac Keeney, his coach comes out and 303 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: speaks about the reasons that they challenged his suspension. 304 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to John Lormer. 305 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: You can't help but have that in the back of 306 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: your mind. There's no question. No one knows what the 307 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 3: result of that's going to be. At the end of 308 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: the year, we feel obliged to be able to explore 309 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: every avenue we possibly can to support Isaac, whether it's 310 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 3: this week when I'd love to see him at the 311 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 3: first Center bounce, or it's maybe in September and you're 312 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: seeing there and you're watching the votes get caned out. 313 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: It's I played with Corey McKernon, and I just wonder 314 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 3: whether if there was a different process available then to Corey, 315 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: how he would have felt how the rest of his 316 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: life would have looked. 317 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: So the reference there to Corey McKernon is in nineteen 318 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: ninety six, he actually polled twenty one votes, but he 319 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: was rubbed out for an action in which he was 320 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: sort of going with the momentum of the football and 321 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: happened to knee another player in the head and the 322 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: other player threw himself back, milking a free which he got. 323 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: But those twenty one vote votes would have put him 324 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: equal with Hurd and Boss, who little known names that 325 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: went on to do nothing in the game. Lo lo lol, 326 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: But he would have been a Brownlow medallist, and as 327 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: we well know, having something like a Brownlow next to 328 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: your title. If you want to go on and do 329 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: speaking events, if you want to go on and do media, 330 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: there's a gravity to that that follows you for the 331 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: rest of your life. The brownlow is that prestigious and 332 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: that important. That to see good people or people that 333 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: should have won and had the best performance that year 334 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: scrubbed out is something that's not like a oh well, 335 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: it actually and it can change their immediate future in 336 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: their bargaining power with other clubs and what they can 337 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: be traded for. And I think in the case of 338 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: Isaac Kenny, like perhaps your motivation changes as the season 339 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: goes on. So at that point in the season, they're thinking, Okay, 340 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: he's had a red hot start to the year. He's 341 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: clearly one of the best players, if not the best player. 342 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: The markets were reflecting that he was one of the 343 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: favorites in the competition. As it goes through the season, 344 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: I think the motivation becomes more about losing the players 345 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: for the games. Yes, when you know you've got finals 346 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: on the line, but in his case, it was a 347 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: bit earlier in the season, so I think that's why 348 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: they were thinking more about the award. 349 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: But I haven't heard. 350 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: I think many coaches come out and speak like that 351 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: about making sure a player is still in contention for 352 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: this award at the end of the season, because too 353 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: often the rhetoric is, oh, you know, I don't think 354 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: about that as amount of the premiership. 355 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 4: Yep. 356 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: I'd trade my brown Low for a premiership any day 357 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: of the week, and most of them probably would. But 358 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: I still think, as you've mentioned, at the end of 359 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: the day, this award it is up there in lights. 360 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: And the issue is, though, there are still so many 361 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: good players in the competition who don't get suspended totally. 362 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: So maybe that's the if it ain't broke, don't fix it, 363 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: because it's not like there's going to be no one 364 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: available to win this award who isn't good enough to 365 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: win this award. There are still plenty of players in 366 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: the mix that haven't been suspended, So why should they 367 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: be at a disadvantage when they actually have been fairer 368 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: in the eyes of the eligibility criteria. 369 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 2: Is that your argument or an argument is that how. 370 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: You feel personally, I think the game has changed to 371 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: the point where there needs to be some riggle room 372 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: with the eligibility that's what I think. But I know 373 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: you've mentioned that. You know, one of the greats, Gary Lyon. 374 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: His argument is this is the way it is, yes, 375 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: and why should it be changed? It is a prestigious 376 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: historic award. Why should it be changed? And there will 377 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: be purists who argue that, and Gary and we also argue, 378 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: I guess that there is going to have to eventually 379 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: be changed. But how do we implement that? And the 380 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: best case study is someone like Isaacini? Because is he 381 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: someone you would say is an unfair player? No, or 382 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: that Charles Brownlow would see with a Brownlow around his 383 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: neck and go, he's bringing my metal or my award 384 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: into disrepute. 385 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: No, And I think that's but how do you do 386 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: where do you draw a line in that? 387 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 4: Well? 388 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: This is I heard Patrick Cripps speak about Isaac KINI 389 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: he was asked about it given his almost experience in 390 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, when you know Isaacini was rubbed out, 391 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: and his comment was, I think it's a bit stiff 392 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 1: because the way he plays the game is fair, and 393 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: anyone who comes up against him knows he's tough to 394 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: play against, but he's fair. Fundamentally, he's fair and that 395 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: particular week that was a bit unlucky, but his overarching 396 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: reputation is that of a fair player. And in history 397 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: of AFL, we've only seen three people become ineligible for 398 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: the Brownlow who actually polled the most votes. It was 399 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: Kory McKernon who we've heard his story, Chris Grant who 400 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: got twenty seven votes. That was in nineteen ninety seven, 401 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: and then Joe Watson of course for the Essendon drug saga, 402 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: where he was retrospectively ineligible, which was. 403 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,239 Speaker 2: Just one of the more awful No. One one. And 404 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: that's the thing. 405 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: There were two Brownlow Medalists awarded that year when he 406 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: was taken off him, yes, Sam Mitchell and Trent Cootchin, 407 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: and I don't know whether they to this day would 408 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: still say, oh, Trent's really reluctant to call himself a 409 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: Brownlow Medalist, which of course he is, but it feels different. 410 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: And so the other argument to this is something that 411 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: we saw this year in that Harley Reid, who is 412 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: arguably the best first year player we've ever seen, let 413 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: alone the best first year player this year, was ineligible 414 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: for the Rising Star because he was suspended and so 415 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: much so. And then you also saw the likes of 416 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: Sam Darcy you get rubbed out because he was suspended 417 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: this year. So when Oli Dempsey got up to receive 418 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: his Rising Star, he said, I'd like to thank the 419 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: umpires for making dars and making Harley ineligible. And I 420 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: just went firstly lol, like it was great, and he 421 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: said basically again, Jeremy Cameron told me I need to 422 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: get up here and thank the umpires, and the whole 423 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: room laughed. But then do we want our medal to 424 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: become a laugh potentially? Is that what happens longer term 425 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: with the Brown Low? Do you see the best players 426 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: being ineligible because they've been suspended and someone has to 427 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: go up there and make a joke about the fact 428 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: they're not actually the best player, they just happen to 429 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: be the fairest. Yeah, I mean I don't think we've 430 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: seen a lot of examples of that at the Brownlow 431 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: in terms of someone actually getting up and saying I 432 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: shouldn't be here. I think that example we just talked 433 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: about in twenty twelve is quite unique. 434 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. But yeah, I mean clearly with the Rising. 435 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: Star, But is this does the AFL need to jump 436 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: before the hurdle as in do they need to make 437 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: the change before or this becomes problematic and makes one 438 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: year's Brownlow a fast Do they have to see the 439 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: writing on the wall and change it before we get there, 440 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: or do you need a Brownlow decision to be an 441 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: absolute howler in that someone like an Isaac Keeney has 442 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: five votes more than the next closest player and he's 443 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: ineligible for an incident that was again, it could have 444 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: been a. 445 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 2: Tackle that their head just dolted. 446 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I think we live in a world where a 447 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: howler will be the reason that something changes. 448 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: It's so often the case. I know, it's so often 449 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: the case. I know you've. 450 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: Got to wait for that year where it is so 451 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: clearly off the mark for people to start taking this seriously. 452 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 2: I guess we're going to wait and. 453 00:22:50,880 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 5: See, Laura, it's time for our fun fact. 454 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: And this is one of my favorite fun facts or 455 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: favorite titbits of AFL history in that what other awards 456 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: when you think of the Brownlow are handed out on 457 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: Brownlow night Mark and Goal of the Year. Of course, 458 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: and over history they've been really prestigious, big prizes, Like 459 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: you think the prize this year is not like two 460 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: million virgin points as well as fifty grand cash. 461 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's decent. That's a huge, huge prize. 462 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: And you think of those specky marks, and the specky 463 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: much like the best and fairis is something very unique 464 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: to our game and something that we need to protect 465 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: at all costs. And in twenty fifteen the winner of 466 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: Mark of the Year was Nick Natanui and this is 467 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: my fun fact because the flying Fiji and as he's 468 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: well known in the West of course, the great number 469 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: nine for West Coast was then twenty five when he 470 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: won the Mark of the Year and he said, oh, beauty, 471 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: like I started to clear out the driveway because I 472 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: thought I'm winning a car. 473 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: Ashley Sampy won a car. This is my prize. No. 474 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 4: No. 475 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen it was the Wheatpix Mark of the Year. 476 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 4: And he received fifty two boxes of Weeppix. 477 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: That's outrageous fries. 478 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 4: And he just said his manager rocked up with fifty 479 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 4: two boxes of Weetpix at his house when he was 480 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 4: expecting a Toyota high Lux of some variety. 481 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: And he basically said, mate. 482 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 4: I don't eat wheat picks and I never want to 483 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 4: see a wheat pick again because dude, where's my car? 484 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: So my initial reaction was do players even eat wheat pix? 485 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, the part of their thing was Brettley 486 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: and how many do you do with your weatps? 487 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: Weepis just. 488 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: Can you imagine you get announced from Mark of the 489 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: Year and you think of a recent teammate that won 490 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: a car and you I think you. 491 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: Beauty and you get cereal. That's terrible. 492 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: So shock it's been rectified because again, two million Virgin 493 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: points and fifty grand cash at least is a prize 494 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: that you want to win, but it doesn't help him 495 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: if you are watching the count and go, hey, guys, 496 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: fun fact. Do you know what Nick Nat won in 497 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen some weeks? Did he even get a commercial 498 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: out of it? 499 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. He probably doesn't want money. He's doing 500 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: the Google commercials lesbian. Honest, Nicknat is fine. 501 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: But that is how we're going to end two Good 502 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: Sports because I don't know if Nick Nat will want 503 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: that story recounted very often because it is a terrible one. 504 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 2: But thank you for listening. 505 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: Happy Grand Final week. Please do hit us up with 506 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: any of your fun facts. Find us on Instagram at 507 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: two good sports podcasts will catch you next week for 508 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: all the fall out, of course the Grand Final, but 509 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: we probably should talk about something other than footing. We've 510 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: just gone into Laura my safe zone, but until then, 511 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: be a good sport decl