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Speaker 1: This is jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: You know them as Isabelle, Kerry and Emmy Silbury, the grandmother,

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Speaker 2: mother and daughter trio from goggle Box, But on the

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Speaker 2: show we only see snippets of the extraordinary relationship these

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Speaker 2: three women have. They've got a new book out called

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Speaker 2: Out of the Box. I went to the book launch.

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Speaker 2: I love meeting these women, three very feisty women from

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Speaker 2: three very different generations, and it's great to have insight

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Speaker 2: into how Australia has changed over those years. So it's

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Speaker 2: a thrill to have Isy, Emmy and Kerry on the show.

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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Ah, So when you sat down to write this book,

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Speaker 2: you obviously all know each other so well. But were

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Speaker 2: the surprises when you wrote your own chapters about things?

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Speaker 2: Did secrets come out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? They did. I mean we are very close, but

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Speaker 3: I think reading each other's chapters to each other. We

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Speaker 3: were in lockdown when we wrote it, so we couldn't

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Speaker 3: actually see each other. And yeah, I think there's one

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Speaker 3: thing sharing stories. There's another reading someone else's story from

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Speaker 3: their point of view, especially.

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Speaker 4: The hard parts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I personally learned that. I just didn't realize, you know,

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Speaker 3: how similar sort of our challenges have been, just in

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Speaker 3: different gears really.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Well, when you say hard parts, what were the

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Speaker 2: hard parts?

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Speaker 1: Well, the hard parts for me were actually writing about

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Speaker 1: my marriage breakdown because of course I tried to protect

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Speaker 1: Isabelle from all of that, and I didn't tell her

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Speaker 1: all the nitty gritty bits about how horrible it was,

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Speaker 1: so she really.

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Speaker 4: Found out how horrible it.

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Speaker 1: Was when she read what I wrote.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and same with M. Like reading M's part of

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Speaker 3: you know what she put up with with her marriage

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Speaker 3: breakdown and stuff, like, I had no idea. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we've had discussions, but I had no idea. You know

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Speaker 3: what you put up with and it just makes me.

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Speaker 3: You know, we want to protect each other, but we

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Speaker 3: also want to share, so it's hard.

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Speaker 2: And the three of you have shared all these experiences.

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Speaker 2: But Emmy, what would you say were the main differences

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Speaker 2: for the three generations in the way you had to

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Speaker 2: deal with things?

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Speaker 1: Were you just put up with it, didn't you?

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Speaker 5: Well? I put up with it for two years being

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Speaker 5: married to somebody who didn't love me anymore, So that

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Speaker 5: was pretty hard.

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Speaker 3: And you didn't know anyone that was getting divorced in

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Speaker 3: those times.

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Speaker 5: So when these two had to go through through with it,

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Speaker 5: I hope I helped them get through with it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, there was never any judgment, which was nice.

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Speaker 2: Do any of you look at each other's generation and think,

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Speaker 2: I wish I'd been I'd had had their story, I

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Speaker 2: wish I'd had their period of time, because it's hard

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Speaker 2: stuff in every generation.

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Speaker 4: Well, I wish i'd had And I can thank feminism

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Speaker 4: for this. I wish I'd had the guts that isabel

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Speaker 4: had at the end of her marriage to just actually

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Speaker 4: call it quits. I hung on for dear life, thinking

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Speaker 4: that you know, love would prevail and it would all

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Speaker 4: work out in the end. And Isabelle actually drew a line,

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Speaker 4: and I wished I'd done that.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about generations. I really envied Mum's generation, Like

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Speaker 3: the seventies and sixties and seventy sounds amazing reading her

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Speaker 3: chapters on like you know, the freedom and just like

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Speaker 3: uni life and the parties and stuff and even moms

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Speaker 3: upbringing work with emmas and mum being able to ride

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Speaker 3: your bike for hours all day, like we don't have that.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're so our generation to bring out kids

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Speaker 3: in this such an insular way where we're very protective

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Speaker 3: and yeah, just that sounded so fun, and house prises

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Speaker 3: were as cheap as anything, and everything was painted with lead.

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Speaker 2: Everything was lead. Not all good, not all good. We

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Speaker 2: used to eat when I was a kid, I used

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Speaker 2: to eat lead before It explains a lot to me,

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Speaker 2: hasn't affected me. And Ebbie, what about you? What have

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Speaker 2: you glean from the other generations? Where he thought I

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Speaker 2: wish I could have taken a bit of that, I I.

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Speaker 5: Just wished that i'd done more to make my husband happy.

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Speaker 2: Ye know, that's right, your daughter's got a head in

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Speaker 2: a hand.

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Speaker 5: But that's how I was.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I thought you were going to say, I

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Speaker 4: wish i'd finished my education. I could have supported myself

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Speaker 4: when he gave me the.

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Speaker 3: Flick, I thought you were going to say something like that.

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Speaker 5: Why didn't you tell me?

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Speaker 2: But that's what I love about the three of you

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Speaker 2: is that you have your own opinions, you love and

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Speaker 2: support each other. But it's just a wonderful thing. And

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Speaker 2: this book is filled with great wisdom and snippets of history,

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Speaker 2: and I just absolutely loved it.

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Speaker 5: Great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we really hope that by sharing our own stories,

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Speaker 3: you know, that we can inspire other people to just

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Speaker 3: have have the tough and awkward and hilarious conversations with

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Speaker 3: the people who've come before them.

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Speaker 2: And what I've enjoyed Kerry too, is you've been very

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Speaker 2: open about the age of when in your later sixty

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Speaker 2: sixty eight having a healthy sex life and choosing to

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Speaker 2: have a sex life. That's not often spoken about.

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Speaker 1: I know, but it's bloody good.

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Speaker 5: Aman.

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Speaker 3: You talk about the challenges of writing the book.

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Speaker 2: And you're going and you're not listening, not listening, I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about sex. I don't want to go lick some leads.

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Speaker 5: What leads paint?

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Speaker 2: Don't look up in the Urban Dictionary about what that means.

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Speaker 5: This is great.

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Speaker 2: It's so good to see you guys on the tally

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Speaker 2: as always on goggle Box, but out of the box

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Speaker 2: you can now read about it is he Emmy and

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Speaker 2: Kerry Silbury.

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Speaker 3: You can get the book at all good bookstores now.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Thank you