WEBVTT - Ashy Bines Thinks You Stink 

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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<v Speaker 1>hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Kate Torba and coming up on today's show. Ashi Biens's

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<v Speaker 1>Fragrance brand is slammed over its offensive marketing campaign and

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria Devine's car park call out. But first, speculation is

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<v Speaker 1>continuing to mount over the state of Tammy Hembro and

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<v Speaker 1>Mattzakowski's marriage. A week after unfollowing and then re following

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<v Speaker 1>her husband on Instagram, Tammy has continued to provide clues

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<v Speaker 1>that the pair are fighting. Yeah, So, on Wednesday, Tammy

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<v Speaker 1>shared a car sing along to her Instagram's story, and

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<v Speaker 1>in it, she sang along to poison song every Rose

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<v Speaker 1>Has Its Thorn, and she sang this lyric directly to

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<v Speaker 1>the camera. For those who aren't across this eighties track,

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<v Speaker 1>the song is about a rock star coming home after

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<v Speaker 1>touring and finding his girlfriend cheating on him. So the

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<v Speaker 1>lead singer, Bret Michaels, wrote the song after he called

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<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend and heard another man's voice in the background.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of followers are speculating this is a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a clue as to what has gone on.

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<v Speaker 1>Between Matt and Tammy. Is never a good sign when

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<v Speaker 1>someone is doing a sing along in the car because normally,

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<v Speaker 1>when you are doing passionate singalongs, it's to a breakup song. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and in this case, she wasn't even driving in the car.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a strategic decision to set up her camera

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<v Speaker 1>and mind directly to this song on an Instagram story.

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<v Speaker 1>And she did put clues out like this when she

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<v Speaker 1>was breaking up with Matt Paul. It is very telling.

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<v Speaker 1>And things escalated further on Saturday when fans noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>Tammy changed her name on Instagram so ahead of Tammy

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<v Speaker 1>and Matt's wedding. Tammy confirmed that she would be officially

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<v Speaker 1>changing her last name to Sakowski, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>followers wondered if she'd actually go through with a name

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<v Speaker 1>change on Instagram because it could be detrimental to her brand.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, her profile is a lot bigger than Matt Szakowski's.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been a lot of influencers who have kept

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<v Speaker 1>their maiden name. I mean, Laura Henshaw is a prime example.

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<v Speaker 1>Her husband actually took on her surname, and Zakowski isn't

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<v Speaker 1>the easiest to spell. People also just know her as

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<v Speaker 1>Tammy Hembros. It's her brand, yeah, and if new people

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to find her, they're going to struggle to

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<v Speaker 1>find her on Instagram now. After the wedding, Tammy didn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually change her handle, but in her bio she wrote

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<v Speaker 1>missus Zakowski with an engagement ring emoji. But on Saturday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>she removed missus Zakowski from her bio altogether and replaced

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<v Speaker 1>it with Tammy Hembro. I was listening to Matt's podcast

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<v Speaker 1>the other day and he was talking about how Tammy

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<v Speaker 1>has been going through the official channels to change her surname.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wonder how fast she is in that process,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's an absolute nightmare to change your name officially.

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<v Speaker 1>I went through it two years ago and it took

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<v Speaker 1>so long to get everything changed, like your driver's life,

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<v Speaker 1>since your bank details. It's actually on my list of

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<v Speaker 1>things to do this week because I've got three months

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<v Speaker 1>before my baby's born and I want to have my

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<v Speaker 1>name changed before I give birth so we all have

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<v Speaker 1>the same last name. Well, you better get onto it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is making me think that there's even more to

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<v Speaker 1>this name change on Instagram. Clearly it's a topic of

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<v Speaker 1>discussion in their household. At the moment, it seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>Matt was really pushing this name change and that it's

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<v Speaker 1>important for him to have his wife have Sakowski. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't take long for gossip pages to pick up on

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<v Speaker 1>this news, and there were pages like influencer updates, are

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<v Speaker 1>you reporting on the news? And within a few hours

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<v Speaker 1>missus Zekowski was back in the bio. It seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>Tammy didn't like the negative attention that it was bringing her.

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<v Speaker 1>Then changing it back made it even more obvious that

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<v Speaker 1>it was a thing. Yeah, because then the pages could

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<v Speaker 1>show that the change actually did happen because they have

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<v Speaker 1>the screenshots to prove it. Otherwise you could think, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it wasn't actually in there to begin with. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact that she was like, oh shit, I

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<v Speaker 1>better put it back in, or Matt has seen it

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<v Speaker 1>and said you better put it back. Despite the name

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<v Speaker 1>being back up, Tammy and Matt spent the weekend apart.

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<v Speaker 1>So Tammy was on this sponsored stay ca at a

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<v Speaker 1>Gold Coast hotel with her kids, sister, and also her

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<v Speaker 1>nieces and nephews, and he was notably absent from the trip.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't posted on his stories throughout the whole weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been very quiet. In fact, he hasn't been seen

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<v Speaker 1>on Tammy's Instagram since the unfollowed last week. Hmm, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting. I'm guessing that they'll do what they normally

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<v Speaker 1>do and put some loved up thing and they'll patch

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<v Speaker 1>it over again. Well, it sounds like he's still in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if he's back on the Gold Coast,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not a very good sign.

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<v Speaker 2>Kiwi Babes, the way is officially over.

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<v Speaker 1>Ashy Brian's fragrance brand Hideaway has been slammed fro an

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<v Speaker 1>offensive marketing campaign that used Maori slang to celebrate the

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<v Speaker 1>brand's launch into New Zealand. The company contacted Kiwi customers

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<v Speaker 1>to tell them they stink and should buy their perfume.

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<v Speaker 1>So can you tell us more? It's very bizarre. So

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<v Speaker 1>the text message read, cheer bro, you stink like rotor

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<v Speaker 1>arua a grab some of this Mina's perfume from the

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<v Speaker 1>cuz around the corner. Lara reckons its choice as so

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<v Speaker 1>hook yourself up Kiora now. There was then a link

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<v Speaker 1>to Hideaway's website to purchase the perfume. Now around an

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<v Speaker 1>hour and twenty minutes later, the brand followed up with

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<v Speaker 1>a text message that said, sorry if our last message

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<v Speaker 1>came off wrong, just Kiwi banter, We've got proud Kiwis

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<v Speaker 1>on the team, and meant no offense, all love. So

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<v Speaker 1>clearly people were very offended by this text message. I

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<v Speaker 1>can see why, and to put this into perspective of

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<v Speaker 1>how tone deaf the message was. For those unfamiliar with

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<v Speaker 1>the Rotarua, it's a city in New Zealand that's a

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<v Speaker 1>tourist hotspot, so it's actually situated in a volcanic region

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<v Speaker 1>and it's renowned for its geothermal activity and Maori culture.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also known for having a distinct sulfur smell due

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<v Speaker 1>to the area's geothermal activity, so basically, the area releases

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of hydrogen sulfide gas, which is known to

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<v Speaker 1>smell like rotten eggs. I get really pissed off when

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<v Speaker 1>brands text me because I'm almost like, who is this?

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<v Speaker 1>And then it ends up being like Domino's. Domino sends

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<v Speaker 1>me messages on the daily and I'm like, how do

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<v Speaker 1>they even get my number? But to receive a text

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<v Speaker 1>message like this, there's not only annoying but it's also offensive,

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<v Speaker 1>like what are these marketers think? And the people who

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<v Speaker 1>received the text message said that it wasn't really clear

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<v Speaker 1>it was even from a brand because it was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to pass itself off as being a legitimate text message

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<v Speaker 1>from a friend, and then it had the link at

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<v Speaker 1>the end, so it would have been very confusing. It

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<v Speaker 1>was clearly their way to attract attention and get people

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<v Speaker 1>to read further into the message and click on the link.

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<v Speaker 1>But they've totally missed the market. Yeah, and Rotarua's mayor,

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya Tapsle is not happy, so she weighed into the matter,

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<v Speaker 1>saying they clearly don't have a grasp on reality as

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<v Speaker 1>Rotorua is a beautiful place with beautiful people. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>we get up to three million visitors a year. She

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<v Speaker 1>also said it was unbelievably unfortunate that Ashy and her

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<v Speaker 1>team in Australia thought that this message was acceptable. She

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<v Speaker 1>went on to say, whoever thought the marketing text you

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<v Speaker 1>sent out to New Zealand as mocking our slang would

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<v Speaker 1>go down well as an Australian company missed the mark

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<v Speaker 1>big time. Now the follow up text message from Hideaway

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<v Speaker 1>did absolutely nothing to squash the avalanche of online complaints.

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<v Speaker 1>One person wrote what the hell did you just text me?

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<v Speaker 1>Whilst another said I've just got the eke from your

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<v Speaker 1>text and the dismissal text following just KeyWe banter. Another

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<v Speaker 1>said I came across this company a few days ago

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<v Speaker 1>and that text was the first communication I had received,

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess the marketing team is taking notes from

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<v Speaker 1>the how to Lose Customer's handbook. Someone else wrote wild

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<v Speaker 1>marketing strategy offending every New Zealand woman. It's giving mean

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<v Speaker 1>girl energy and a big nope from a former customer.

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<v Speaker 1>There were some customers who defended Hideaway. One wrote, as

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<v Speaker 1>a keyw girl, just ignore these hate comments. Your stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is so nice. I just ordered two body miss and

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<v Speaker 1>one perfume. Another said when did people get offended so easily?

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<v Speaker 1>You can't breathe anymore without offending someone now. Hideaway are

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<v Speaker 1>yet to put out a public apology, but their social

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<v Speaker 1>media team responded individually to some of the comments, so

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday they wrote to a disgruntled customer, we are

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<v Speaker 1>truly sorry for any hurt or offense we have caused.

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<v Speaker 1>Our attention was never to be insensitive, but we now

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that our message came across in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>was very inappropriate. This was written as lighthearted banter by

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<v Speaker 1>one of our key WE team members, but upon reflection,

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<v Speaker 1>we can see how it has been received differently. Your

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<v Speaker 1>feelings are completely valid and we take full responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>our words. We're taking this as an opportunity to reflect

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<v Speaker 1>and do better moving forward. Now. The brand tried to

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<v Speaker 1>clear Ashy of any wrongdoing. They wrote as she did

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<v Speaker 1>not approve this message she was away for her podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>but by Saturday night, the post containing the comments was

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<v Speaker 1>deleted from Hardaway social media account, and ash Bines was

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<v Speaker 1>also ignoring the backlash on her own Instagram channel and

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<v Speaker 1>instead was spooking the fragrances. This is what she said.

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<v Speaker 2>By I didn't jump on yesterdays.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell you guys that our perfume has finally launched in

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<v Speaker 3>New Zealand, So you guys know we've had our body

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<v Speaker 3>miss available in New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is that this is Vanilla's a live Yes, this

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<v Speaker 1>is Honestly, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is my favorite line. It's so nice. Flack Essence was

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<v Speaker 2>a number one seller. Now Vanilla's Light is It's the

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<v Speaker 2>best that these.

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<v Speaker 3>Are available for aqubbabes I will leave a swipe up

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<v Speaker 3>link or link on the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like she was trying to stick her

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<v Speaker 1>head in the sand, particularly when she kept saying ki

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<v Speaker 1>we babes, Like you've literally just offended all these women

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<v Speaker 1>by saying you stink and using all of this Maori slang,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're stereotyping this whole nation. And then you're like, oh, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>swipe up and buy my product? Is it this week

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<v Speaker 1>to say? Oh? Because as she was recording a podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>she had no idea about this huge marketing campaign. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a bit fishy. I think she would have

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<v Speaker 1>been well aware of the marketing tactics they were doing,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly because they're trying to get into New Zealand. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the product's launch into New Zealand, and as

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<v Speaker 1>she Bindes is not only the co founder of Hideaway

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<v Speaker 1>alongside her husband Steve, but she's the creative director. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're telling me that the creative director doesn't sign off

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<v Speaker 1>on a campaign when you're launching a product into a

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<v Speaker 1>new country. Her face was all over the marketing like

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<v Speaker 1>that is bullshit? Did her husband Steve it? Well, apparently

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<v Speaker 1>it's only more recently that as she has been more

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<v Speaker 1>hands on with Hideaway. Before it was kind of Steve's baby,

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<v Speaker 1>so it is a bit awkward that now she's more involved.

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<v Speaker 1>These things are happening because now that she's gotten rid

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<v Speaker 1>of Baseline, Hideaway is her focus alongside her podcast, and

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<v Speaker 1>she came out and said that the podcast isn't actually

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<v Speaker 1>making much money, but she finds it really enjoyable. I

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<v Speaker 1>just wish she would take responsibility for this. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it looks worse to say that you're not across your

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<v Speaker 1>business and don't know the key marketing strategies you're implementing

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<v Speaker 1>when you're launching into another country, and it just looks

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<v Speaker 1>like you're trying to distance yourself from your own brand.

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<v Speaker 1>I also thought it was a pretty poor excuse to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we actually have kei we team members, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>okay that we wrote that ash Bindes may have been

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<v Speaker 1>born in New Zealand and a social media manager is

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<v Speaker 1>also a keiw but neither of them are Maori. So

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<v Speaker 1>it seems really inappropriate to appropriate slang into that text message.

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<v Speaker 1>And also for the text message to say you stink

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<v Speaker 1>That is just such a bizarre argument. It's like an

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<v Speaker 1>Australian brand saying Oh, we've got Aussie's on the team,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can mock aboriginal slang. Sorry, that doesn't fly. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it does not fly. I saw someone compare the approach

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<v Speaker 1>to if a gym sound out a text message saying hey, Fatty,

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<v Speaker 1>come and join us. I mean, it's not bad enough

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<v Speaker 1>that they were racially stereotyping people, but why would a

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<v Speaker 1>fragrance company try and attract clients by telling them that

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<v Speaker 1>they stink. It's a very strange marketing tactic, because to me,

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<v Speaker 1>perfume is about aspiration. That's why there's so many celebrities

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<v Speaker 1>who are the face of perfumes, because you think I

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<v Speaker 1>want to smell like this celebrity, or I really like

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<v Speaker 1>this fruity sense, not to mask an odor. It's more

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<v Speaker 1>to smell note. But they're really playing on insecurity. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I feel like that's more marketing for a deodorant brand,

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<v Speaker 1>not a perfume brand. Yeah, exactly. And I was just thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>how did this marketing campaign pass through so many hands

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<v Speaker 1>without someone flagging this as an issue? Oh come on,

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<v Speaker 1>Kate as she was recording a podcast one day, so

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<v Speaker 1>she wasn't across this marketing campaign. There's clearly been weeks

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<v Speaker 1>in the words yeah, I mean ironically, it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Hydaway's customers didn't even realize that as

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<v Speaker 1>she was connected to the brand, and that's actually put

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<v Speaker 1>off a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what are you talking about? Your teaching me a lesson?

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<v Speaker 1>She's on the Money podcast host Victoria Devine has landed

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<v Speaker 1>herself in hot water with staff at a Genesis dealership

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<v Speaker 1>after mistakenly parking in an area reserved for staff. The

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<v Speaker 1>former financial advisor captured the hostile exchange on her Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>story as staff set out to supposedly teach her a lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>So pow did this all unfold? Well? On Friday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria and her personal assistant Zara were out running some

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<v Speaker 1>errands and from what I've pieced together, they were at

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<v Speaker 1>a Melbourne shopping in porium which houses a Genesis showroom. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria said she was in a rush and accidentally parked

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<v Speaker 1>her car in a bay reserve strictly for Genesis staff,

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<v Speaker 1>and when she returned to her car, Victoria discovered that

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<v Speaker 1>she had been double parked by a very unhappy Genesis

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<v Speaker 1>staff member who the park is normally reserved for. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to point out that Victoria does not drive a Genesis.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this fact is integral to the story

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<v Speaker 1>because when I saw her stories popping up, I was

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<v Speaker 1>really confused. I assumed that she drove a Genesis and

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<v Speaker 1>that she was dropping a car off for a service

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<v Speaker 1>or to meet with the team. However, she was just

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<v Speaker 1>at the shopping center where the dealership is based, running

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<v Speaker 1>other errands. She actually drives a Porsche, so staff would

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<v Speaker 1>have quickly realized the car was out of place, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>a Porsche, because I remember when Toby Pierce used to

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<v Speaker 1>live in Adelaide, Kayla Assinas's business partner and her ex

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<v Speaker 1>fiance baby Daddy Rachel Dilon's new husband. He used to

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<v Speaker 1>appear on an Instagram account called shit Adelaide because he

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<v Speaker 1>would park his very expensive sports car across like two

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<v Speaker 1>parks or in disabled parking areas, and it was very

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<v Speaker 1>obvious who it was because he had a custom number plate.

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<v Speaker 1>Did it say Toby or yeah it was a biased

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<v Speaker 1>or something along those lines. In this case, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the Genesis staff members would have seen this Porsche

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<v Speaker 1>and thought, fuck you, who's this? In titled person has

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<v Speaker 1>just parked here, oh and thinks at their time is

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<v Speaker 1>more important than everyone else. I'm not saying that that

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<v Speaker 1>is the case with Victoria, but there's a general assumption

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<v Speaker 1>when you see a very flash car as to who

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<v Speaker 1>was driving and what their personality is like. I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>think that is the case. I think the car being

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<v Speaker 1>a Porsche would have particularly pissed off the staff members. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>after discovering that her car had been boxed in, Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>said that she went into the dealership and apologized for

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<v Speaker 1>the mishap and asked if they could please move the car.

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<v Speaker 1>She says a Genesis staff member claimed he didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the keys to move the car and refused to call

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<v Speaker 1>his colleague who had blocked her in, as he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to interrupt him with a customer. He then allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>told Victoria that he was trying to teach her a lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Following this exchange, Victoria immediately took to her Instagram story

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<v Speaker 1>slamming Genesis to her eighty five thousand followers, and she

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<v Speaker 1>made sure to tag the luxury car brand in multiple posts. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the first post was a selfie in the showroom saying,

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<v Speaker 1>who works at you, Genesis Australia. I accidentally parked in

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<v Speaker 1>one of their car spots because it wasn't clearly marked

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<v Speaker 1>in brackets. Yes, I should have double checked, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was in a rush, and the guy at this dealership

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<v Speaker 1>is low key, really rude and has parked me in

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<v Speaker 1>and won't call the person who moved the car, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to get out of their spot. So

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<v Speaker 1>we are just standing in the showroom because he said

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<v Speaker 1>he can't do anything now. Victoria followed it up by

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<v Speaker 1>joking that if anyone wants to buy a Genesis, they're

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<v Speaker 1>on full display currently, or her followers can check out

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<v Speaker 1>the one that has double parked her in now. She

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<v Speaker 1>clearly was not impressed, and she continued saying that the

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<v Speaker 1>behavior was petty and reminded her audience that this was

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<v Speaker 1>a business acting in this way, not a person. She

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<v Speaker 1>seemed particularly miffed by the Genesis staff member, saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they were teaching her a lesson, like.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about? Your teaching me a lesson?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you my mother? Like I get that I'm being

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<v Speaker 2>taught a lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>And in the general public, you might have gone in

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<v Speaker 3>and double parked someone for the day and be like,

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<v Speaker 3>not my circus, not my monkeys. But this is a business,

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<v Speaker 3>and yes, those car parks were reserved, but there were

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<v Speaker 3>multiple empty ones as well, and reserved for what reserved

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<v Speaker 3>for them to park?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it reserved for customers?

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<v Speaker 1>I was surprised how quickly Victoria tagged Genesis in her post.

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<v Speaker 1>It was almost like, I'm really important. I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>big social media following, so you better move this car.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to cause trouble for your brand. In her defense, though,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe she felt trapped and like that was the only

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<v Speaker 1>solution to the problem. I mean, she's gone up and apologized,

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<v Speaker 1>She's told them that she needs to leave. She clearly

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<v Speaker 1>had to get back to work. She probably had meetings

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<v Speaker 1>going on, and the person flat out refused to help her,

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<v Speaker 1>so she thought, well, I'm going to take this matter

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<v Speaker 1>into my own hands.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, despite the social media call out, the dealership kept

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria and her personal assistant waiting, and Victoria did a

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<v Speaker 1>number of check ins on her story to let her

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<v Speaker 1>followers know that she was still waiting. After waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>over an hour, Victoria said.

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<v Speaker 2>This, Sorry, Sarah, are we still here?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>This is so nice. I really like it. This is

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<v Speaker 2>our second home that were confined too. It's giving illegal confinement.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure about that, but like maybe a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Seriously, it's a pretty big call to say it's a

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<v Speaker 1>legal confinement, but I guess that's how she was feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>She clearly felt trapped. But the thing is, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't park in someone else's park. I mean, she's lucky

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<v Speaker 1>that this person worked at Genesis and she could find them.

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<v Speaker 1>If you parked in a reserve spot in a shopping

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<v Speaker 1>center and the person then parked you in and then

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<v Speaker 1>went shopping and you had nowhere to find them, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>be sitting in your car, probably for a couple more hours. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>whilst Victoria was left waiting, she decided to call in

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<v Speaker 1>the big gun. So she contacted Genesis's head office and

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<v Speaker 1>alerted them to what was going down. I'm really surprised

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<v Speaker 1>whoever runs Genesis social media hadn't already sounded them, because

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria was tagging them in so many posts and this

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<v Speaker 1>was over an hour period. Now, Victoria said, the team

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<v Speaker 1>at head office were mortified and apologized, saying that this

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<v Speaker 1>behavior was not part of their policy. It's quite clear

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<v Speaker 1>that the head office then rang the dealership and directed

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<v Speaker 1>them to move the car immediately. So after waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>over an hour. Victoria and her assistant Zara, finally returned

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<v Speaker 1>to the car, but the drama didn't stop there, so

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria decided to show her followers exactly where she was parked,

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<v Speaker 1>which I feel actually weakened her case because the reserve

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<v Speaker 1>sign honestly couldn't be any bigger. There were giant letters

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<v Speaker 1>spelling out reserved across multiple parks, and there was even

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<v Speaker 1>a sign that said if you park here, you will

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<v Speaker 1>get told. So I think she was actually lucky that

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't get told. She did call herself a dufus

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<v Speaker 1>in the post and said, yes, it says in giant

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<v Speaker 1>letters that it's reserved, but I didn't see it as

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<v Speaker 1>I was in a rush. Here's more of what she said,

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was on that one, not on this one. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know that there's like.

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<v Speaker 3>A big reserve thing, but who would have known that

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<v Speaker 3>they would do that, like actually insane, And then they

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<v Speaker 3>doubled down on it, so like I called head office

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<v Speaker 3>to get them to move, And this other girl is

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<v Speaker 3>down here now, and I think she was here the

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<v Speaker 3>whole time, Like I think they were both here the

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<v Speaker 3>whole time, because like they were like, oh, no, we've

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<v Speaker 3>been here.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw you doing X, Y and Z.

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<v Speaker 1>As you can hear. Whilst Victoria was filming, a Genesis

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<v Speaker 1>staff member was keeping a very watchful eye over her

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<v Speaker 1>because instead of leaving immediately, which is what I would

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<v Speaker 1>have done, particularly if I was in a rush, Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>and Zara decided to sit in the car, which was

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<v Speaker 1>still in the reserve park, and Victoria continued to upload

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<v Speaker 1>her social media posts about the run in. But wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the person wanting their park back. Wasn't in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of I'm going to pull out and then you get out,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'll go back into my reserve park. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and clearly the team at that Genesis dealership were probably

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<v Speaker 1>copying an absolute ear bashing from head office their behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'd see absolute red if you saw the individual

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<v Speaker 1>in question who'd complained about you sitting there uploading more

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<v Speaker 1>social media posts about the incident and inflaming it more.

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<v Speaker 1>This is when the female staff member started taking photos

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<v Speaker 1>of Victoria and Zara in the car, presumably to send

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<v Speaker 1>a head office. Here's what Victoria said about her exchange

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<v Speaker 1>with the female staff member.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just uploading that video because it's actually illegal

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<v Speaker 3>to use your phone and drive.

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<v Speaker 2>And she came up and started taking photos of us. Alice,

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<v Speaker 2>we look really cute today. We do look today, But

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<v Speaker 2>what is this? It feels like I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in an enclosure by literally.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm sitting in the car about to go and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just like looking at my phone. Honestly, I was

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit frazzled and needed a hot minute because

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<v Speaker 3>like that amount of confrontation made me feel I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>like I was high on adrenaline and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I need to calm down.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, she comes.

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<v Speaker 3>To the window after taking photos of me and like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know doing what accidentally knocks my revision mirror. Fine,

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<v Speaker 3>I know that was an accident, starts laughing at me

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<v Speaker 3>and asking like are you leaving yet? Why aren't you

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<v Speaker 3>leaving yet? You've been asked heaps of times. Have you

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<v Speaker 3>learned your lesson? What? And then I go, sorry, what

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<v Speaker 3>was your name? And She's like, what's that matter? Why's

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<v Speaker 3>my name matter? And I said, oh, I'm just asking.

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<v Speaker 3>My name's Victoria. What is your name? And then she

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<v Speaker 3>taught me her name. I won't say that I have

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<v Speaker 3>shared it with the business anyway. It was a very

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<v Speaker 3>strange altercation where clearly the business did not endorse this.

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<v Speaker 3>The business has apologized and they are like from the messages,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting the vibe that they're mortified, but like, that

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<v Speaker 3>is not how you do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can understand that Victoria probably did feel frazzled. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you're in that moment, you either go into flight

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<v Speaker 1>or fight, and you know you're putting your Instagram stories

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<v Speaker 1>up and you're being really defensive and you just want

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of there. And then once she was

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<v Speaker 1>in a car, she's probably like, well, decompressing about it.

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<v Speaker 1>If that had been me, though, I would have just

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<v Speaker 1>gotten out of the reserve park ASoP might have pulled

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<v Speaker 1>my car up into another park that wasn't reserved. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's also because influencers almost have a sense of

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<v Speaker 1>entitled when when it comes to some brands. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there'd be brands, particularly car brands, bending over backwards to

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<v Speaker 1>work with the She's on the money team through sponsorships

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<v Speaker 1>and that sort of thing, and you think she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, do these people know who I am?

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<v Speaker 1>They should be more polite. To me, it did come

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<v Speaker 1>across as very entitled, particularly when she was the one

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<v Speaker 1>in the wrong in the first place. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>was watching these stories, that's well, I could not get

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<v Speaker 1>my head around. It's like, you're the one who's parked

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<v Speaker 1>in the reserve spot. The person has come back to

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<v Speaker 1>their park and you've taken it, so they've parked in

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<v Speaker 1>front of you because they couldn't get a park. Then

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to do their job, and you expect them

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<v Speaker 1>to drop everything and move their car so you can leave.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not how it works well. This situation has left

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria's followers divided. Some did agree with Victoria and said

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<v Speaker 1>that the carry on by the dealership was unprofessional and unfair,

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<v Speaker 1>whilst others were in disbelief that Victoria didn't see the

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<v Speaker 1>large reserve sign and said that they'd also double park

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<v Speaker 1>someone in if their park was taken. Victoria responded by

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<v Speaker 1>saying that she knew she was in the wrong by

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<v Speaker 1>parking in the spot, but she would have actually preferred

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<v Speaker 1>them to follow the policy which was in place and

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<v Speaker 1>to have towed her car, then to have had to

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<v Speaker 1>experience this weird power trip. I really keep going back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth with where I sit with this, because when

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<v Speaker 1>I first saw Victoria's stories pop up. I assumed that

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<v Speaker 1>she drove a Genesis like you did, Kate, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thought she was a customer who was visiting the showroom,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, wow, this is pretty out of line

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<v Speaker 1>for a dealership to act like this to a customer.

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<v Speaker 1>And perhaps, you know, she had some confusion over whether

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<v Speaker 1>the parking bay was reserved for customers if it was

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<v Speaker 1>in this shopping center. But when I realized that Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't actually a Genesis customer and that she was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find a park in a shopping center, the dealership's

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<v Speaker 1>reaction made a bit more sense to me, because I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like this must be a regular problem for them

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<v Speaker 1>if they're threatening to toe cars. I mean, if there's

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<v Speaker 1>a sign up, clearly their parks get taken all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that this staff member would have seen

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<v Speaker 1>the Porsche made a generalization about Porsche owners and thought, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this person is fucking entitled. Yeah, I agree completely, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that I think the Genesis staff acted professionally,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can understand if I was trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>my job and I went to park my car, and

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<v Speaker 1>they probably use it to do test drives as well.

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<v Speaker 1>With customers. I can see why they would have got annoyed,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think it's unreasonable to ask Victoria to

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<v Speaker 1>wait while the person finished with a client before they

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<v Speaker 1>moved their car, considering it was her fault in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place that her car was parked in that spot.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that the dealership is completely innocent in

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, because they have gone on to make

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<v Speaker 1>the brand look pretty bad. Victoria says that it was

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<v Speaker 1>an honest mistake. She came in and apologized, and instead

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<v Speaker 1>of being pricks and making her wait for over an hour,

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<v Speaker 1>they could have just moved the car. They were clearly

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<v Speaker 1>trying to teach her a lesson because they were annoyed. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they said that that's what. Yeah, And as Victoria said,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't an individual these are staff members representing a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger business, one which subsequently then got scolded online to

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<v Speaker 1>over eighty five thousand people. I'd be really interested to

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<v Speaker 1>hear their side of events, though, because Victoria said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she came in and politely asked them to move, but

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<v Speaker 1>it would be interesting to hear how the staff thought

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<v Speaker 1>that exchange played out in real life, because clearly she

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<v Speaker 1>was annoyed that she got double parked in, and perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't come across as polite as she may have

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<v Speaker 1>hoped in saying that. I also think that in those

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<v Speaker 1>largely male dominated areas like car dealerships, women can be

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<v Speaker 1>treated very patronizingly. So I can see how she would

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<v Speaker 1>have felt pretty helpless if she's got this group of

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<v Speaker 1>men who were refusing to move the car. I know

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<v Speaker 1>over there were men, though, because she referenced a female

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<v Speaker 1>stuff it was later on two male staff members that

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<v Speaker 1>she was dealing with. Initially for her, she runs multiple businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>She probably had this huge stressful day ahead of her,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think maybe some of the men at the

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<v Speaker 1>dealership could have potentially got their noses out of joint

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<v Speaker 1>that here's this successful woman in her early thirties driving

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<v Speaker 1>a portion and they thought, fuck you, we're gonna punish you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't sound like they acted with good intentions either,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a pr disaster I think for everyone involved.

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<v Speaker 1>In saying that, though, I was surprised that Victoria would

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<v Speaker 1>act like that, considering she is someone who works with brands,

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<v Speaker 1>being an influencer and through her podcast, and also someone

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<v Speaker 1>who has a business, Because can you imagine if the

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<v Speaker 1>shoe was on the other foot and someone spotted Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>Devine getting out of her car that was parked in

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<v Speaker 1>a reserve spot that clearly she wasn't meant to be

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<v Speaker 1>parking in, and then named and shamed her publicly, like

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<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't be happy with that look. To be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>I think car parking dramas bring out the worst in everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>though I have never experienced more rage than in a

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<v Speaker 1>car park, particularly when it's Christmas time and someone steals

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<v Speaker 1>your park. So I think that it can turn everyone

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<v Speaker 1>into a of a jerk and you kind of revert

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<v Speaker 1>back to acting like a child. Yeah. Well that is

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<v Speaker 1>where we're going to leave things today. Thank you for

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