WEBVTT - The fatal ICE shooting, explained

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is the daily This is the daily ars,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the daily ohs oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, and welcome to the Daily Ours. It's Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>the twelfth of January. I'm Emma Gillespie, I'm Billy fitz Simon's.

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<v Speaker 2>Tensions around US immigration enforcement have escalated over the past

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<v Speaker 2>week after a woman was shot and killed by a

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<v Speaker 2>federal agent during a raid in the state of Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 2>The shooting has sparked widespread protests and divided politicians as

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<v Speaker 2>well as state and federal leaders.

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<v Speaker 3>This was an agent recklessly using power that resulted in

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<v Speaker 3>somebody dying getting killed. Long term Minneapolis residents that have

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<v Speaker 3>contributed so greatly to our city, to our culture, to

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<v Speaker 3>our economy are being terrorized and now somebody is dead.

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<v Speaker 2>As protests intensify. Today, we are going to explore what

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<v Speaker 2>we know about the shooting that prompted the demonstrations, the

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<v Speaker 2>government's response, and the growing controversy around US immigration enforcement operations.

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<v Speaker 1>And before we get into what exactly happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>US state of Minnesota last week, I first want to

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<v Speaker 1>give context about what exactly ice is I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>over the past year or so since Donald Trump became

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<v Speaker 1>president again, we have heard a lot more about ICE

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<v Speaker 1>in the news. Yeah, exactly what is that agency?

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<v Speaker 2>You're bang on there, Billy that we have heard a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about this agency in the past year. The agency

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<v Speaker 2>is called ICE, as you mentioned, which stands for Immigration

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<v Speaker 2>and Customs Enforcement. Basically, it is a federal law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>agency in the US. It falls under the Department of

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<v Speaker 2>Homeland Security and ICE's main job is to enforce immigration

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<v Speaker 2>laws inside the United States, So that includes and what

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<v Speaker 2>you've probably seen are things like arresting and deporting people

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<v Speaker 2>who are in the country illegally. ICE also investigate crimes

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<v Speaker 2>like human trafficking and drug smuggling. And the agency was

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<v Speaker 2>created after the September eleven attacks. That was part of

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<v Speaker 2>a major reorganization of security agencies in the US. But

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<v Speaker 2>ICE has pretty much been controversial since day one. There

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<v Speaker 2>have been long running debates around how aggressive their tactics

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<v Speaker 2>should be and whether some of their operations overstep civil rights.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so ICE is not new, but their operations have

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<v Speaker 1>really ramped up since Donald Trump became president. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure many of our listeners probably hadn't even heard

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<v Speaker 1>of them a few months ago, and now we are

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about them.

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<v Speaker 3>All the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, why has there been so much recent discussion about ICE.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because, as you correctly point out, Billy, US President

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump returned to office a year ago, and there

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<v Speaker 2>has been a significant increase in Immigration in Force operations,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is because this is something that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>campaigned really heavily on before his reelection. So border security

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<v Speaker 2>was a key policy issue for him, and within his

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<v Speaker 2>first days back in office, he signed multiple executive orders

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<v Speaker 2>aimed at expanding immigration enforcement. Since then, that is why

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen ICE conducting what it calls targeted enforcement operations

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<v Speaker 2>in cities right across the United States. According to the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Homeland Security, the department that runs ICE, these

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<v Speaker 2>operations are focused on people who have criminal records or

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<v Speaker 2>outstanding deportation orders. But critics and opponents to ICE say

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<v Speaker 2>the raids have been much broader and that they've created

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<v Speaker 2>fear in immigrant communities. There have been reports of US

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<v Speaker 2>citizens being wrongfully detained by ICE and deported, and videos

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<v Speaker 2>of ICE raids showing agents using aggressive measures. Now, those

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<v Speaker 2>tactics have sparked frequent protests over the past twelve months,

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<v Speaker 2>and in twenty twenty five. ICE says it deported at

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<v Speaker 2>least six hundred thousand people. But it should be noted

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<v Speaker 2>that thirty two people died in ICE custody last year.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes it the agency's deadliest year in more than

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<v Speaker 2>two decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that's the context of ICE, and that brings

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<v Speaker 1>us to what happened in Minnesota last week. They were

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who carried out this operation that we have

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<v Speaker 1>now seen all over social media. Walk us through exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So last week, ICE said two thousand of its agents

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<v Speaker 2>were sent to the Minneapolis area to carry out quote,

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<v Speaker 2>the largest immigration operation ever. Minneapolis is a major city

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<v Speaker 2>in Minnesota. It's also the same city where George Floyd

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<v Speaker 2>was murdered by a police officer in twenty twenty. On Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>Homeland Security said rioters began blocking ICE offices and that

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<v Speaker 2>this resulted in a federal officer shooting and killing a

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<v Speaker 2>woman in her car. That woman was identified as Renee Good,

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<v Speaker 2>a thirty seven year old mother of three.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I said before that we've now seen that

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<v Speaker 1>all over social media, that's largely because there is actually

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<v Speaker 1>footage of the shooting exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Multiple bystanders did capture the incident on video, sharing it

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<v Speaker 2>on social media, and that includes the shooting from multiple

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<v Speaker 2>different angles, and that footage has really become central to

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<v Speaker 2>the dispute around what actually happened. What the footage appears

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<v Speaker 2>to show is an ICE officer approaching Goods car. She

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<v Speaker 2>was in the driver's seat and her car was stopped

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of a road in a neighborhood south

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<v Speaker 2>of downtown Minneapolis. The officer demanded that she opened the door.

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<v Speaker 2>The officer grabs the handle of the car and then

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<v Speaker 2>the vehicle began to pull forward. There was a different

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<v Speaker 2>ICE officer standing in front of it who pulled his

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<v Speaker 2>weapon and immediately fired at least two shots in close range.

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<v Speaker 2>Good was shot in the head and her car then

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<v Speaker 2>crashed into two parts before coming to a stop. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what has been interpreted from the different angles and series

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<v Speaker 2>of footage shared of the incident online.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you said before, ICE is a federal agency,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a federal operation being carried out on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of the Trump administration. So what has Trump said about

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<v Speaker 1>this shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Trump and his entire administration are characterizing this as

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<v Speaker 2>an act of self defense. They have been quite aggressive

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<v Speaker 2>in their defense on the ice officer involved. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Homeland Security Secretary Christine Nome and President Trump, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as others, have suggested that Good, the thirty seven year

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<v Speaker 2>old woman shot used her car as a weapon to

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<v Speaker 2>attack the officer who shot her in self defense. Vice

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<v Speaker 2>President J. D. Vance has also weighed in. He said

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<v Speaker 2>the shooting was justified and that Good was a victim

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<v Speaker 2>of quote left wing ideology. Vance said, I can believe

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<v Speaker 2>that her death is a tragedy, while also recognizing that

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<v Speaker 2>it is a tragedy of her own making. Vance noted

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<v Speaker 2>that the officer who killed Good was injured during a

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<v Speaker 2>different arrest last year. He got his arm stuck in

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<v Speaker 2>a car window, was dragged about ninety meters, and had

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<v Speaker 2>fifty stitches for his injury. The Department of Homeland Security

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<v Speaker 2>has said that that officer has worked for more than

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<v Speaker 2>ten years as a deportation officer. He was selected for

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<v Speaker 2>isa's Special Response Team for a reason. He has had

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<v Speaker 2>additional training, and so they are really standing by that

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<v Speaker 2>officer involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so federal officials are saying this was an act

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<v Speaker 1>of self defense and they support the actions taken by

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<v Speaker 1>that specific agent. Then we moved to the state officials

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<v Speaker 1>and local officials. What have they said?

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<v Speaker 2>Their response on the whole really contradicts this messaging that

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<v Speaker 2>we've heard from the White House. So, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>there's Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fray. You may have seen video

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<v Speaker 2>footage of him at a press conference that's now gone viral,

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<v Speaker 2>and his account clearly goes against the government's account, and

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<v Speaker 2>he said the video contradicts this argument of self defense.

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<v Speaker 2>He claims that the self defense argument is quote garbage

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<v Speaker 2>based on what the footage shows, and he's used really

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<v Speaker 2>strong language. Here's a little bit of what the Minneapolis

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<v Speaker 2>mayor had to say.

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<v Speaker 3>They are already trying to spin this as an action

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<v Speaker 3>of self defense. Having seen the video of myself, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to tell everybody directly that is bullshit. Two Ice,

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<v Speaker 3>get the fuck out of Minneapolis. We do not want

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<v Speaker 3>you here. Your stated reason for being in this city

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<v Speaker 3>is to create some kind of safety, and you are

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<v Speaker 3>doing exactly the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not often that you hear swearing in official press

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<v Speaker 1>conference like.

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<v Speaker 2>That, especially not out of the US. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I also saw that there's a dispute going on about

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<v Speaker 1>who gets to investigate the shooting. What's happening there.

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<v Speaker 2>This has become a major point of contentional another major

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<v Speaker 2>point of contention in this story. So, the FBI and

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<v Speaker 2>the US Justice Department meant are conducting the investigation that

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<v Speaker 2>is standard when a federal officer uses deadly force, but

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota as a state also has its own agency that

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<v Speaker 2>investigates officer involved shootings, and they have been very clear

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<v Speaker 2>that they want to be part of this investigation. But

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<v Speaker 2>they've said they've been informed that the FBI, the Federal

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<v Speaker 2>Bureau of Investigations, and the Justice Department will not work

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<v Speaker 2>with them. So basically, federal law enforcement has shut the

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<v Speaker 2>state out from playing any role according to state authorities.

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<v Speaker 2>Homeland Security Secretary Nome said that the state has no

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<v Speaker 2>jurisdiction in this case because it involves a federal officer.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz, who you may remember

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<v Speaker 2>as Kamala Harris's running mate, he has demanded that Minnesota

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<v Speaker 2>play a role in this investigation. Waltz pointed out that

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<v Speaker 2>people in positions of power, like the president, like Nome,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Vice president, have already passed judgment. They've already

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<v Speaker 2>made statements that he says, are quote verifiably false and

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<v Speaker 2>verifiably inaccurate. So Waltz is concerned that a federal investigation

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<v Speaker 2>will not be balanced the Minneapolis men Mayor Fry, he

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<v Speaker 2>told the media, quote, we want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>there is a check of this administration to ensure that

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<v Speaker 2>its investigation is done for justice, not for the sake

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<v Speaker 2>of a cover up.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So that's the political response, But what about the

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<v Speaker 1>community response, because so often in incidents like this there

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge community response. I mean, one person in

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<v Speaker 1>this local neighborhood has been killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's been a really significant protest movement that's come

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<v Speaker 2>out of Minneapolis. As I mentioned, this is a city

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<v Speaker 2>where there is particular sensitivity around law enforcement violence, as

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<v Speaker 2>the city where George Floyd was murdered infamously in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Early protests took place at the scene of the shooting

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<v Speaker 2>and outside of federal immigration offices. Demonstrators there were shouting

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<v Speaker 2>slogans like no more Ice and go home Nazis, and

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<v Speaker 2>in response, we saw federal offices using tear gas, deploying

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<v Speaker 2>pepper spray to disperse crowds. The Minneapolis school district canceled

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<v Speaker 2>classes in response for the remainder of last week as

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<v Speaker 2>a precaution, and local authorities say they're working with community

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<v Speaker 2>leaders to try to keep protests peaceful. The mayor told

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<v Speaker 2>reporters that the Trump administration could be looking for an

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<v Speaker 2>excuse to come in with militarized force to quote further

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<v Speaker 2>occupy our streets and to cause more chaos. So really

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<v Speaker 2>really high tensions there and an escalation or a concern

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<v Speaker 2>of further escalation, and that friction between federal and local authorities.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's fair to say that whilst they

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<v Speaker 1>are protesters in the community and in the state, at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, this has now gone far beyond just that community.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been protests all over the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, the death of Good has really resonated across the country.

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<v Speaker 2>As you mentioned, Billy, there have been protests taking place

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<v Speaker 2>or planned in many large US cities. On Friday afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>our time, we heard from Portland Police who confirmed that

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<v Speaker 2>two people were hospitalized following a shooting involving federal agents

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<v Speaker 2>in the state of Oregon. Portland Police Chief Bob Days said, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>we understand the heightened emotion and tension many a feeling

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<v Speaker 2>in the wake of the shooting in Minneapolis, but I

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<v Speaker 2>am asking the community to remain calm, and that's certainly

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<v Speaker 2>a sentiment that we are seeing echoed across many US states.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like, I mean, this already is a huge

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<v Speaker 1>political story, but it feels like it's only going to

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<v Speaker 1>become bigger from here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and especially after what has now been an entire

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<v Speaker 2>year of attention concern around these immigration raids, I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to continue to see this shooting become a

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<v Speaker 2>focal point in this much larger debate about immigration in

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<v Speaker 2>the US.

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<v Speaker 1>And thank you for taking us through that, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for having me really, and thank you for listening to

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