1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the Daily OS. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: This is the Daily OS. Oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 3: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 3: the twenty eighth of November. 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: I'm Zara, I'm billy. 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: Yesterday a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbalah came into effect 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: after thirteen months of fighting. 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: I spoke with the Prime Minister of Israel and Lebanon. 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm pleased to announce that their governments have accepted the 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: United States proposal and the devastating conflict between Israel and Hezbolah. 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 3: The deal which you heard there being announced by US 12 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: President Joe Biden, will see both parties required to retreat 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: from their current positions over the next sixty days, and 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: it marks a really major turning point in the conflict. 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: This is really huge news that happened yesterday. But before 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: we actually discuss the details of the season deal, I 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: think it's important to just take a step back and 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: explain the context of the current conflict between Israel and hesblah. Yeah, 19 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: what do we need to know? Okay? 20 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 3: So I think that a good starting point is just 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: to distinguish exactly who we're talking about here, because there 22 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: are concurrent conflicts happening across the Middle East, but today 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: we're talking about Hezbollah and Israel, not to be confused 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: with Hammas and Israel. So Hamas is based in Gaza, 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: Hezbola is based in Lebanon. 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: So when we talk about this ceasefire deal, we're not 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: talking about the war in Gaza. 28 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: No, we're not talking about Gaza specifically today, and we'll 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: get to that a bit later. So we are talking 30 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: about Hezballah As, I said, a group based in Lebanon, 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: similar to Hamas. It is armed, backed and trained by Iran, 32 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: and Australia classifies it as a terrorist organization. For the 33 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: sake of I think understanding the nature of the deal 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: that was agreed to yesterday, it's really important to highlight 35 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: that Hesbela is not the government of Lebanon. So in Gaza, 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 3: Hamas is the governing party there, But in Lebanon there 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: is a government that is made up of a whole 38 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: host of different parties. Hes Bala has some seats in parliament, 39 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: but it's by no means a majority. Now to go 40 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: back to your question about the context in which this 41 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: ceasefire has emerged, So the latest round of violence between 42 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: hes Balah and Israel really dates back to October eighth 43 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three. Now, that's one day after Hamas 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 3: launched its attack on Israel, and on that day Hesbola 45 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 3: began firing rockets into Israel and it's said at the 46 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: time that that was in solidarity with Hamas. So since 47 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: that time October eighth last year, Hesbola attacks have killed 48 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: at least seventy five people in Israel, that's according to 49 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: Israeli authorities, and around sixty thousand Israelis in the north 50 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 3: of Israel have been displaced. In Lebanon, Israeli attacks have 51 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 3: killed more than three thousand, five hundred people, that's according 52 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: to Lebanese authorities. There around nine hundred thousand Lebanese people 53 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 3: have been displaced due to these ongoing attacks. And then 54 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: in September this year, Israel launched a ground invasion, so 55 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 3: they put troops on the ground to launch an invasion, 56 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 3: a land invasion into Lebanon. A few months later, they 57 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: also killed Hesboala's longtime leader, has Son Nostralla, And we 58 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 3: did do that on a separate podcast, So I'll throw 59 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: that link into today's show notes to give a bit 60 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 3: more background as to what the nature of this conflict 61 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: has looked like for the past couple of months. 62 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: And one more piece of context that I find helpful 63 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: is understanding the geography of the situation. So Lebanon, we're 64 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: talking about South Lebanon, Yeah, which borders the north of Israel. 65 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, and that border is where all of this 66 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: conflict has really centered upon. 67 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: Okay, So this conflict has been raging for over a 68 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: year now, and you've just outlined the suffering and toll 69 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: that it has taken. But yesterday, for the first time 70 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: in thirteen months, a ceasefire was announced. What do we 71 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: know about the details of that ceasefire? It's long awaited, Yeah, 72 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: it really is. And what was interesting about the way 73 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: that this emerged. You know, over the past year, there 74 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: have kind of been these slow reports that a ceasefire 75 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: might be happening, but then it never really comes to fruition. 76 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: But this felt different from the beginning. So a couple 77 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: of days ago, these reports first started emerging of a 78 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: ceasefire between Hesbalah and Israel, and just on like I 79 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: guess a media literacy level, what was interesting was that 80 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: compared to previous times, there were actually details about the 81 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: nature of that ceasefire that were being included in the reports, 82 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: and to me, that signaled that this was different, that 83 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: the details were being included in the reporting, that there 84 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: was a full structure out there as to what this 85 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: deal would look like. And it turns out that it 86 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: was different, and that this was the first time in 87 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: thirteen months that a ceasefire was going to actually happen. 88 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: We got confirmation yesterday that Israel's parliament had agreed to it, 89 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: and then later that day the deal itself was announced 90 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 2: by US President Joe Biden, and I think think it's 91 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: important to highlight why he was the one that announced it, 92 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: and that's because this was a US broken deal. So 93 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: the US has been trying to mediate these these fire 94 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: deals across the region for, as I said, over a 95 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 2: year now. But this is the first successful one between 96 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: Hesbela and Israel, and it was broken by the US 97 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: and also involved France. Right, Okay, so what are the details. 98 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: So essentially, over the next sixty days, both Israel and 99 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: Hesbela will be required to retreat from their current positions. 100 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: So, just to be clear, it's not a ceasefire that 101 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: is effective immediately, it's going to take about two. 102 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 3: Months for the full conditions to be met. It will 103 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 3: take that period of time, but there is going to 104 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 3: be a dramatic change in the way these two parties 105 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: are relating to one another. So the sixty days is 106 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: basically just to ensure that a vacuum doesn't get created 107 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 3: when these powers retreat from their current spots. So at 108 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 3: the moment, Hesbela and Israel are both, as you said, 109 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 3: centered around that border in the south of Lebanon and 110 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: the north of Israel. What we know from this deal 111 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 3: is that Hesbela will be required to move north, so 112 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 3: to leave the south and to move north upwards into Lebanon, 113 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 3: and that where they were will now be patrolled and 114 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: basically regulated by the Lebanese Army and. 115 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: Who are not involved in Hesblon exactly. 116 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: So that's again distinguishing the fact that Lebanon's army is 117 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 3: very different to Hesbela. And so the Lebanese army will 118 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: now be in charge of southern Lebanon and they'll be 119 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 3: responsible for ensuring that Hesbela infrastructure, so the physical infrastructure 120 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 3: that they've been using is removed and can't be. 121 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: Rebuilt, Okay, So that is the conditions that HESBLA has 122 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: to follow. Yeah, what about Israel. 123 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, as I mentioned earlier, Israel's currently in Lebanon, 124 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 3: or Israeli troops are in Lebanon, and so over the 125 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: next sixty days they will have to withdraw from Lebanon. 126 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: And as I said, this won't happen tomorrow or today. 127 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 3: It's going to take some time for them to fully withdraw, 128 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: and they've said that that will happen meaningfully once those 129 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 3: Lebanese troops are in place. 130 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: We'll be back with this deep dive in just a moment, 131 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: but first, here is a quick message from our sponsor. 132 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: So I understand that the troops are starting to have 133 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: to withdraw and that that process will take sixty days. 134 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: But in terms of hostilities, is the deal that hostilities 135 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: so the killing of either side immediately stops. 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 3: We don't have the actual details of what is enclosed 137 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: in this ceasefire, but the understanding is that yes, there 138 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: should be no more attacks from either side while this 139 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: process takes place, and that this is the way to 140 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: create what Biden has called like a meaningful change rather 141 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: than something that just pauses overnight. 142 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: I think that's another interesting point when it comes to 143 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: media literacy that you know, in journalism we always try 144 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: to get the primary source, but when it comes to 145 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: the ceasefire deal, we don't have. 146 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 3: That, No, we don't. So the most information has come 147 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: from the US, both from President Biden but also a 148 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: US official who spoke to a bunch of outlets. We've 149 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: heard from Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime minister, we have heard 150 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: from the Lebanese Prime minister, but we haven't actually got 151 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: that document of what exactly has been agreed to. So 152 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: we're really piecing this together based on a whole bunch 153 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: of different sources, Okay. 154 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: And who will be responsible for enforcing this ceasefire agreement? 155 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? And I mean that's the biggest question, right, Like 156 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: everyone can agree to whatever they like, but if it's 157 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: not enforced, what happens then? And according to Biden, that 158 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: will be the job of the US and France. And 159 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: I thought France was interesting because when we've spoken previously 160 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 3: about ceasefire negotiations, whether that be with Hummas or with France, 161 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: hasn't really featured very prominently at all. 162 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: I always think of Qatar as being a mediator, but 163 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: maybe that's more in Gaza. 164 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 3: With US, that's more with Hummas and with Hesbella. Clearly 165 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: France has played a big role. I do want to 166 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,359 Speaker 3: just make really clear, and this was something that Biden stressed. 167 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: When we talk about enforcing the ceasefire, that's not about 168 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 3: having US troops on the grounds. There's not going to 169 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 3: be US troops standing at the border watching what happens, 170 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 3: because President Biden said that he had made a commitment 171 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 3: to the US public that there would be no troops 172 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: sent into this conflict. But in terms of what happens 173 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 3: if the rules of the ceasefire are broken, here's what 174 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: Biden said yesterday. 175 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: Let me be clear, if Hezblah or anyone else breaks 176 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: the deal and pose a direct threat to Israel, then 177 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: Israel retains the right to self defense consistent with international law. 178 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see if this ceasefire holds, 179 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 2: but for now, what have we heard from Israeli and 180 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,359 Speaker 2: Lebanese officials. 181 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 3: Broadly, both sides have welcomed the ceasefire. We heard a 182 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: bit of reasoning as to why they got to this 183 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: position from the Israeli side, Prime Minister Benjamin Nettania, who 184 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 3: said that, and I'm quoting directly here, a good deal 185 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: is a deal that is enforced, and we will enforce it. 186 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: He also did say that the length of the ceasefire 187 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 3: depends on what happens in Lebanon, so he's intimating there 188 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: that if there are attacks from Hesbalah into Israel, that 189 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: Israel will respond on the flip side. In Lebanon, Prime 190 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 3: Minister Najib McCarty said that the deal is quote a 191 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: fundamental step towards establishing calm and stability in Lebanon and 192 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: the return of the displaced to their homes and cities. 193 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: And he's there referring to as I mentioned the fact 194 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 3: that in these border towns, both on the Israeli and 195 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: Lebanese side, people haven't been able to go home for 196 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: over a year, and that this is the hope that 197 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 3: that will change. 198 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: And before we go, I think that the question a 199 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: lot of people will have is what impact does this 200 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: cease fire between Israel and Hesblah have on the war 201 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: in Gaza. 202 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a really good question. I think it's 203 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: a difficult one to answer fully, But what I'd say is, 204 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 3: on a purely practical level, it doesn't change the situation 205 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: in Gaza. It's not a truce between Hummas and Israel. 206 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: It's a truce between Hesbelah and Israel. But I think 207 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 3: that more needs to be read into what could happen 208 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: from here and what the geopolitical shifts might be. Biden 209 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: did confirm yesterday that in the wake of this successful 210 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 3: cease fire deal that he is going to try and 211 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: renew his efforts to get a deal done in Gaza. 212 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: He said in the press conference he spoke quite a 213 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: lot about the Palestinians in Gaza and their suffering. He said, 214 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 3: they've been through hell. Their world is absolutely shattered, and 215 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: he said that he wants to see a cease fire 216 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: reached and he wants to see those remaining hostages held 217 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: in Gaza by Hummas released back to Israel. I will 218 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: add that the last time there was a pause in 219 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: fighting in Gaza was a full year ago now, yeah, 220 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: and that was only for a few days, and at 221 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: that point we had some hostages released. That's the only 222 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: time there has been hostages released by Hummas, and there 223 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: was a halt in fighting for those few days. But 224 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 3: there have been no breakthroughs since that time, despite all 225 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 3: the reporting of sometimes getting closed, sometimes not getting close. 226 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 3: What I will say though, is that Joe Barden only 227 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: has two months really left in office, and I think 228 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: a lot of people have suggested that the wars in 229 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 3: the Middle East will be a big part of his legacy, 230 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: and I think and his administration will be working very 231 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 3: hard to try and change that and to try to 232 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 3: bring an end to the war in Gaza over the 233 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: next two months before President Trump takes office. 234 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 2: And we know that President elect Donald Trump has also 235 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: said that he also wants to see a complete end 236 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: to the war in the Middle East. 237 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so, I mean, look, today feels like the 238 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 3: closest we have had in bringing an end to these 239 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 3: concurrent wars since you know, October last year. But we'll 240 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 3: have to wait and see what happens. 241 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: It's such a complicated topic. Zara, thank you so much 242 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: for taking us through it, and thank you so much 243 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: for listening to this episode of The Daily Os. We'll 244 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: be back with your afternoon headlines this afternoon. My name 245 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung Kalgodin 246 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 2: woman from Gadighol Country. The Daily Os acknowledges that this 247 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: podcast is recorded on the lands of the Gadighl people. 248 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: And pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island 249 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: and nations. 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