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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio as she does most Tuesday mornings.

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Speaker 2: It is the opposition leader. Leah Fanocchiaro.

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Speaker 3: Good morning too, Good morning Katie and all your wonderful

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Speaker 3: listeners out there now.

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Speaker 2: Leah, I know that you're in Catherine yesterday. What we

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Speaker 2: were doing in Catherine.

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Speaker 4: It was great.

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Speaker 3: I was there over the weekend and yesterday and I

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Speaker 3: just wanted to give you know, the residents of Catherine

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to have a chat to me. I outlined

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Speaker 3: my vision for under a CLP government for the territory

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Speaker 3: if we're lucky in twenty twenty four, and then also

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Speaker 3: just out and about. You know, we were in the

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Speaker 3: shopping center there at Woolli's just chatting to locals and

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Speaker 3: meeting with stakeholders.

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Speaker 4: I met with counsel and it was great.

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Speaker 3: I mean, people down there are raeling after the car

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Speaker 3: car's being stolen and rammed into the police car, so

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Speaker 3: it was important for me to get down there and

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Speaker 3: hear people's concerns.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, speaking of those issues obviously that we

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Speaker 1: have seen in recent weeks around youth crime. We'd seen

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Speaker 1: the situation unfolding Catherine, but we also saw that situation

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Speaker 1: in Ala Springs well, a number of situations in Alla Springs.

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Speaker 1: Now yesterday the Northern Territory Government announced salt Bush Social

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Speaker 1: Enterprises is going to partner with the Northern Territory Government,

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Speaker 1: they say to increase safe spaces for children through the

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Speaker 1: Safe Place Accommodation and Support program in Alice. So the

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Speaker 1: program's basically going to provide expanded temporary accommodation for young

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Speaker 1: people who are at night out unsupervised, considered to be

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Speaker 2: Do you feel as though this is a step in

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Speaker 2: the right direction.

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Speaker 3: Look, you know it might help in a small number

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Speaker 3: of circumstances, but ultimately this accommodation is voluntary, and you

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Speaker 3: know the young people can just walk straight back out

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Speaker 3: the door, and so you know, time will tell whether

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Speaker 3: or not it has an impact. I think there are

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Speaker 3: concerns being raised by the Alice Springs community about its location.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't appear clear, but people it's people's understanding that

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Speaker 3: it's in town somewhere, and some including Josh Bergoin, the

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Speaker 3: Member for Braitling, think it should be further out of

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Speaker 3: town so that there's more of an incentive for the

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Speaker 3: young people to stay at the facilit So time will tell,

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Speaker 3: but we've got summer coming up and some aer in

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Speaker 3: Alice Springs is traditionally a time of extraordinary high levels

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Speaker 1: Well, this is something that is a real point of

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Speaker 1: concern at this point. A lot of people wondering if

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Speaker 1: the police presence is going to remain in Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: and asked the Chief Minister about this on the show yesterday.

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Speaker 1: She said that that's an operational matter and that will

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Speaker 1: come down to what the Police Commissioner decides to do.

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Speaker 1: But the reality here is having that increased police presence

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Speaker 1: does seem to have had an enormous impact in a

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Speaker 1: positive way for the people of Alice Springs. Do you

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Speaker 1: think it should stay, Well.

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Speaker 3: There's no question additional police have a good impact. And

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Speaker 3: that's why it's so disappointing that this government won't address

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Speaker 3: the police crisis. We know that there are thirty five

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Speaker 3: this government just dealt with the crisis and the extraordinarily

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Speaker 3: high attrition rates of police, we would have forty police

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Speaker 3: But what this government is doing is taking police out

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Speaker 3: which I think everyone understands and is supportive of. But

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Speaker 3: clearly that can't be long term unless this government's going

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Speaker 3: to start to address the high rates of police leaving

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Speaker 1: I know that the Opposition is called on a number

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Speaker 1: of occasions for there to be a review into the police,

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Speaker 1: particularly when it comes to police attrition rates. Is that

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Speaker 1: the answer here is that how we we determine exactly

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Speaker 4: There needs to be two reviews.

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Speaker 3: So we've tried five times in Parliament, Katie to have

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Speaker 3: an inquiry into the crisis. So that's around morale, attrition rates, resourcing.

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Speaker 3: Of course, that very disturbing police survey that came out

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Speaker 4: That's one thing.

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Speaker 3: The second review, which is a much bigger piece of

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Speaker 3: Now that hasn't been done for a good ten years,

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Speaker 3: and it's something that needs to be urgently addressed. But

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Speaker 3: we say in the short term we really need to

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Speaker 4: The morale is very low.

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Speaker 3: Health and well being remains a very critical issue, and

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Speaker 3: until we're sorting out our police force, we can't expect

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Speaker 3: them to be doing and continuing to do more with less.

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Speaker 1: Why do you reckon this is not getting any traction

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Speaker 1: because both you and the Association have seen as well

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Speaker 2: I know, Robin Lamley I was on the show with

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Speaker 1: And had said similar that there does need to be

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Speaker 2: Why is it not getting any traction at this point?

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Speaker 3: I think this government is just completely out of touch,

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Speaker 3: out of ideas, and is not listening to territorians. They

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Speaker 3: just continue to refuse to listen to the people. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they're just happy to blindly bumble along on their own way.

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Speaker 3: Their arrogance is just at all time highs. They think

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Speaker 3: they've got all the answers and they don't Katie, we

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Speaker 3: me absolutely just it's so frustrating that they can't see

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Speaker 3: that a strong police force is the core of a

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Speaker 3: strong society, a strong community, and that community safety has

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Speaker 3: to be the number one issue for any government for

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Speaker 3: everything else to flow from that.

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Speaker 1: How do you change their mind Leah, because it does

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Speaker 1: seem as though throughout this whole year, you know, you

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Speaker 1: and I have spoken about this on numerous occasions. I've

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Speaker 1: spoken to the community about this on numerous occasions. I've

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Speaker 2: They say that they're listening. So how do you change

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, ultimately we might have to wait twenty

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Speaker 4: But ultimately we will keep fighting.

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Speaker 3: I will not let a day go by where I'm

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Speaker 3: fighting for our frontline workers, and in this government want

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Speaker 3: to drive the two territory into the ground. Well, you know,

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Speaker 3: of it, but we've got to hang on. We've got

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Speaker 3: we've got to make sure that this government drag kicking

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Speaker 1: All Right. The Restoring Territory Rights Bill, we know that

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Speaker 1: at passed Parliament last week, overturning legislation put forward in

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Speaker 1: to debate and pass voluntary assisted dying laws. The government

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Speaker 1: yesterday confirmed the Chief Minister was on the show that

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Speaker 1: there wouldn't be a rush for change here in the

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Speaker 2: Do you think this is the right moves?

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Speaker 3: I think that's really important that there isn't a rush.

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Speaker 3: We've been very very clear that if the Labor Government

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Speaker 3: are going to legislate for voluntary assisted dying, there needs

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Speaker 3: to be an extensive community consultation process and that's not

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Speaker 3: something this government are very good at. We've called for

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't sound as though the colp would consider

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Speaker 1: introducing a private member's bill so that this can be

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Speaker 1: back when it passed when Marshall Parent was Chief Minister.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, twenty five years ago Marshall Parent

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Speaker 3: did do that, and for twenty five years we've all

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Speaker 3: been fighting to have our rights back. You know, we're

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Speaker 3: elected by the people, We represent the people and we

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Speaker 3: We don't think legislation like that can be brought from opposition.

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Speaker 3: Marshall was part of a government at that time, so

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Speaker 3: it's got to be brought by the government. It's got

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm not overly passionate either way about whether this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, I don't think the election.

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Speaker 3: all the time around law and order changes and small

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Speaker 3: I mean that is major and it requires extensive consultation,

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Speaker 3: It requires the resources of a government. It's just something

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Speaker 3: whether Labor do it or not, it needs to be

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Speaker 3: done carefully and cautiously. We've seen massive legislation ram through

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Speaker 1: So it's not something that you're going to be pushing

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Speaker 3: No, if it happens and labor push it, we asked

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Speaker 3: it to go to a scrutiny Committee of the Parliament

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Speaker 3: so it can be done properly, all right, Lea.

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Speaker 1: We know that there has now been a teacher's payoffer

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Speaker 1: put back on the table. It adds up to nine percent.

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Speaker 1: It's three plus three plus three. There then is indeed

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Speaker 1: a few other measures that the government have put forward.

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Speaker 2: There has been a bit of.

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Speaker 1: Conjecture about how exactly it's going to be funded. It's

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Speaker 1: been confirmed that it is going to be at a

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Speaker 1: cost of seven million dollars in that first year. We've

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Speaker 1: Tabby Fudge yesterday from int cogso they want it to

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Speaker 1: be really very clear where this funding is coming from.

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Speaker 1: The Chief Minister sat on the show yesterday that it

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Speaker 1: is going to be out of the budget, but they're

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Speaker 1: still concerned that you know, in that first year that

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Speaker 2: What do you make of it?

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Speaker 4: I think government of being very tricky about this.

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Speaker 3: Of course, about a year or so ago, Michael Ganner

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Speaker 3: impacting global school budgets? You know, every school gets a

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Speaker 4: So is this going to mean that every.

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Speaker 3: Single school is given the exact amount of the pay

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Speaker 3: you know, And so they're real legitimate questions for schools,

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Speaker 2: Now the Department of Education.

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Speaker 1: It's also been announced yesterday they've engaged external consultant Deloyd

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Speaker 1: and outcomes. Leah, do you see this as being a

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Speaker 3: I think this is well over jew and I think

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: Look, I really think it's concerning. I hear a lot

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Speaker 3: Of course, some people might even be concerned around in

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Speaker 3: So you know, I really hope these things are being

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, our kids' education, particularly those fragile

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Speaker 3: we need to be having the strongest possible frameworks around them.

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Speaker 1: And so if you were the Chief Minister, would you

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Speaker 3: Well, we would you know, I think everything's got to

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Speaker 3: What we've got to look at is the outcome of

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Speaker 3: the report, Katie, but it would still be relatively well,

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Speaker 3: it would be still be relevant by the time of

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Speaker 3: the next election.

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Speaker 4: So we'll be carefully pouring over the report.

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Speaker 3: It may be that we have to go back out

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Speaker 3: invested in our kids' future. Whether you have kids or not,

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Speaker 3: they ultimately they're our employees, they're our future leaders, and

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Speaker 3: we need to make sure we've got the very best system.

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Speaker 3: Our teachers are out there doing a great job. We

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Opposition leader Lea Fanocchiaro, good to speak with you this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 4: Take care everyone,