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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty first of June.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sam, I'm Billy.

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Speaker 2: In one of the biggest launches of a new company

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Speaker 2: Thousands of Australians have snapped up shares in Guzmany Gomez,

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Speaker 2: the rapidly expanding Mexican fast food chain. And for anyone

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Speaker 2: who feels like this is a bit of a different language,

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Speaker 2: don't worry. This podcast episode is going to be just

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Speaker 2: for you. The ASX is where Australians are able to

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Speaker 2: buy and sell shares of companies that have decided to

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Speaker 2: be publicly listed instead of privately held. So what does

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Speaker 2: that actually mean? And perhaps most importantly, will this change

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Speaker 2: the structural integrity of my burrito? On today's podcast, I'll

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Speaker 2: be joined by Maddie Guest. She's the host of finance

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Speaker 2: podcast You're in Good Company, and she's going to help

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Speaker 2: us break this all down quicker than you can polish

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Speaker 2: off at Cassadia. But first, Billy, what is making headlines

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Speaker 1: The energy market operator has called an emergency meeting over

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Speaker 1: concerns of a gas shortage in Australia's southeast. It comes

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Speaker 1: after record breaking cold temperatures in parts of the country

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Speaker 1: This week. The Australian Energy Market Operator warned Quote the

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Speaker 1: South Australia and Tasmania through winter. It has asked Queensland

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Speaker 2: The Telecommunications Watchdogs says the twenty twenty two Opta cyber attack,

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Speaker 2: which saw millions of customer details leaked, was preventable. The

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Speaker 2: Australian Communications and Media Authority or AKMA, has filed a

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Speaker 1: Australia will send two million dollars in aid to Papua

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Speaker 1: New Guinea as it continues its recovery efforts from last

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Speaker 1: month's deadly land sides. Hundreds of people in a remote

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Speaker 1: natural disaster. The federal government funding will go towards restoring

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Speaker 1: a major highway in the region, as well as health services.

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Speaker 2: And today's good news is just for back pain sufferers.

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Speaker 2: researchers have found walking three times a week can decrease

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Speaker 2: back pain. Macquarie University's Spinal Pain Research Group led a

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Speaker 2: first of its kind trial with over seven hundred participants

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Speaker 2: history of lower back pain were less likely to experience

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Speaker 2: recurring discomfort if they walked regularly. Maddy Guest from your

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Speaker 2: in Good Company joining us in the studio this morning. Maddie,

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Speaker 2: so good to have you here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me Sam.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you this morning about Burritos

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Speaker 2: Mexican food, and the reason why is because guzmin N

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Speaker 2: Gomez has just floated on the ASX. It's been listed

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Speaker 2: and it had an incredible day as its first date.

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Speaker 2: It's now worth over three billion dollars. What do we

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Speaker 4: The biggest reason Sam why I love investing is because

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Speaker 4: you get to dig into the stories behind the companies

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Speaker 4: at fast Food and guzmani Gomez in particular, it is

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Speaker 4: all down to the man behind the business, a founder

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Speaker 3: So he grew up in New York. He had talks.

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Speaker 4: About how he had quite a tough, I guess upbringing.

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Speaker 4: He had a drug addict dad, he had a brother

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Speaker 4: to Australia. Not an uncommon story, No, and decided to

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Speaker 4: moved out here It was Mexican food well, and so

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Speaker 4: And so they bought out chefs from Mexico and they

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Speaker 4: closely followed by a Bondai junction, and today they have

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Speaker 2: And they're looking to have now over one thousand stores.

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting you mentioned that point about them bringing

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Speaker 2: out chefs. There's been sustained criticism of the company since

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Speaker 2: said that there's really strong connections back to Mexico, and

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Speaker 2: Before we get back to the business itself, what does

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Speaker 4: So when a company is private, it is owned by

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Speaker 4: institutional investors. But when a company goes public that means

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Speaker 4: it lists on the stock exchange. So for example, in

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Speaker 2: So then what would the reasons be for the company

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest reason would be accessed more capital.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So when you list on the stock exchange, every day,

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Speaker 4: a big part of the growth story for guzmni Gomez

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Speaker 4: report their financials at least half yearly, and I guess

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Speaker 4: financial performance and if it's not good, why is that?

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Speaker 2: In general from an actual company perspective, Sure, they get

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Speaker 4: When you go public on the stock exchange, it also

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Speaker 2: That's a really interesting point about McDonald's obviously a major company,

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Speaker 2: now we're using that kind of success story to show

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Speaker 2: investors what was going to be possible. But for consumers

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Speaker 3: Is public look day today, The answer is no.

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest challenge for GUZMANI Gomez is going

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Speaker 2: One other thing I've noticed in the reporting on Guzman

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Speaker 2: the idea that people were challenging where the Guzman had

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Speaker 4: So an economic moat is a classic Warren Buffett term,

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Speaker 4: And basically what that means is if you imagine back

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Speaker 4: So in this circumstance, what we're talking about is how

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Speaker 2: From being copied?

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Speaker 4: What is stopping another Mexican store starting up and being

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Speaker 2: And so it was the undertone here that Gusman doesn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's what some analysts are saying. And the

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Speaker 4: look to the direct competitors for Guzmari Gomas. The other

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Speaker 2: Have there been any major criticisms or concerns from the

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Speaker 4: So I think we've talked about probably the two biggest

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Speaker 2: Everything is going up and consumers constantly are looking for

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Speaker 2: yesterday everyone gets very excited because for the first time

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Speaker 2: and what does that tell you about how investors are feeling.

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Speaker 4: The stock listed on the Stock Exchange at a price

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Speaker 4: I'm sure everyone involved in the business itself will be

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Speaker 3: People like their burritos.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to buy stocks and Guisman now,

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Speaker 2: Down really interesting. I can't believe that. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: Amazing. Thank you so much for joining us on the

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Speaker 2: podcast today, Maddie, and thank you for joining us this

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Speaker 2: week on The Daily Os. Maddie's actually got her own podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's called You're in Good Company, really awesome financial discussions.

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Speaker 2: I'll throw a links to that in today's show notes.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back again on Monday morning. Until then, have

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