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Speaker 1: If you like me. At the end of every year,

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Speaker 1: you spend some time thinking about the year that was

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Speaker 1: and making plans and dreams for the year to come.

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Speaker 1: But how effective are your plans and do you actually

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Speaker 1: end up achieving the goals that you set at the

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Speaker 1: start of the year. Joining me today is ABC broadcaster

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Speaker 1: and host of Radio National's This Working Life, and also

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Speaker 1: my very good friend Lisa Leong. Lisa and I thought

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Speaker 1: we would sit down for a chat to discuss the

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Speaker 1: methods that we're using to reflect on the past year

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Speaker 1: and set ourselves up for an amazing twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, we explore some unique strategies for using

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Speaker 1: a calendar to reflect on the past year, why you

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Speaker 1: should do a pre mortem of the upcoming year if

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Speaker 1: you want to succeed, and what you might want to

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Speaker 1: consider doing instead of setting New Year's resolutions. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: How I Work, a show about habits, rituals, and strategies

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Speaker 1: for optimizing your day. I'm your host, Doctor Amantha Imber.

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Speaker 1: Before planning for the year ahead, it's pretty common to

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Speaker 1: look back on the one that's just passed. But what's

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Speaker 1: the best way to reflect? Should we just shut down

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Speaker 1: some random memories or is there a more structured approach.

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Speaker 1: I decided to start things off by asking Lisa what

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Speaker 1: she's doing this December to reflect on the year that was.

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Speaker 2: So I've been doing the same little reflection for a

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Speaker 2: couple of years now, so maybe I'll tell you what

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Speaker 2: I do. But there are some other ones that I've

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Speaker 2: used in the past. If you don't want to do

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Speaker 2: this way, there is an exercise which I called the

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Speaker 2: life flow exercise, which you can do for your whole life,

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Speaker 2: and that is mapping the highs and the lows subjectively

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Speaker 2: of your whole life. That exercise is used so you

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Speaker 2: can see the patterns of what may peak a peak

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Speaker 2: subjectively highs or lows, and that's whatever it means to you.

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Speaker 2: So it could be happiness, it could be energy, whatever

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Speaker 2: you want. I use this for each year as well,

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Speaker 2: so I've done it for my life and I tend

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Speaker 2: to do it for a big reflection, but I also

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Speaker 2: find it really useful just for the year as well. Amanthas. So,

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Speaker 2: I have a diary where there's a month at a glance,

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Speaker 2: But you could look at your calendar and basically I

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Speaker 2: so January, February, March, April, May, June, and I subjectively say,

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Speaker 2: my graph is really interesting this year. So I did

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Speaker 2: this exercise to prepare for this, and I was very

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Speaker 1: And was sick in February.

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Speaker 2: So something wasn't happening for me at the beginning of

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Speaker 2: what I noticed about the highlights of the year were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the theme there is about teaming and collaboration

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Speaker 2: put a high. I went away and learned some so

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Speaker 2: further learning is another one. I learned some chickun which

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Speaker 2: is like tauchy, and then I did this year zen

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Speaker 2: meditation Amantha, and I think what happened was that's a

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Speaker 2: but it's basically that it grew up. My reflection never

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Speaker 1: So I like how you describe what you've done there.

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Speaker 1: So the life flow exercise, I have never thought to

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I think that it's such an interesting

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Speaker 1: But I like how you've applied it to one year

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Speaker 1: from that? What are the things that connected the highs?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? So with the troughs, what you're trying to do

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Speaker 2: anything I could tweak going into next year which might

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Speaker 2: mediate those troughs a little bit. I mean, life happens,

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Speaker 2: So I think definitely with looking at the troughs. So

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Speaker 2: and it's something that both you and I look at

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Speaker 2: much freedom because if I wasn't so sick at the

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Speaker 1: The other thing that stood out to me is how

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Speaker 1: you're mapping your monthly calendar. You and I want to

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Speaker 1: something that I tried to form as a habit very unsuccessfully,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if you've seen these, No, there

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Speaker 1: like essentially every what are we were like Tuesday, the

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Speaker 1: Then when today, if I actually kept this as a habit,

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Speaker 1: last year. Right, Hopefully I've explained that in a way

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Speaker 2: No, I I totally get it, even if it was confusing.

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Speaker 1: That we possibly got there. So my partner has been amazing,

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Speaker 1: and it's become like a nighttime ritual. When we get

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Speaker 1: And I just can't bring myself to write in my

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean, I have a diary. It's a

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Speaker 2: gratitude diary that I found when we're in the Gold

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Speaker 2: but it has just a month and tiny little boxes amanthas.

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Speaker 2: So you might prefer this because I can not write

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Speaker 1: I like that the Google calendar. It's like what you're

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Speaker 1: represent things and easily put it up on the wall.

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Speaker 1: So it takes minimal effort to record what are the

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Speaker 1: highlights or low lights of a day. This company, they're

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Speaker 1: called new Year speltneu Year. They sell these amazing wall

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Speaker 1: calendars that is an entire year and you can stick

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Speaker 1: it on your wall, and so theoretically you could have

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Speaker 1: which is making me think maybe for twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: I might actually do this. I love that. Can you

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Speaker 1: do it? And then report? Yeah, I'll report back in

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Speaker 2: That's really useful doing that quite regularly because one of

438
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Speaker 2: the things about parenting that I've noticed is that, of

439
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: course your child really changes every single year. And they

440
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Speaker 2: need different things. I mean, my daughter is a teenager now,

441
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Speaker 2: so of course our parenting has completely changed from when

442
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Speaker 2: she was a little one. So I think that's a

443
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Speaker 2: really good thing to do quite frequently together.

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Speaker 1: We're very mindful on that. Then there's family and friends.

445
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Speaker 1: I think for me a useful habit that is it

446
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Speaker 1: a habit or is it a ritual, I don't know,

447
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: but something that has served me really well. And because

448
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: I know that one of the things that brings me

449
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: joy is having regular catch ups with my close circle

450
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Speaker 1: of friends. Every Monday, I will send text messages to

451
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Speaker 1: my friends with the intention of firstly checking in. But

452
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: also I know that weeks where I've got at least

453
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Speaker 1: one or two friend catch ups are better weeks because

454
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Speaker 1: of that connection. It's important to both of us. I

455
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Speaker 1: think it's important to humans. So that is something that

456
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Speaker 1: I think I will maintain. And I know Neo's got

457
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: some goals around how he wants to be intentional around

458
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: certain things, you know, with regards to connections. So that

459
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Speaker 1: is something that I think I will continue. But I

460
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Speaker 1: also think would I refine that in some way. But

461
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Speaker 1: that's been ritual that served me really well this past

462
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Speaker 1: year work, but more so work life balance, because my

463
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Speaker 1: balance has been really out of whack in the last

464
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Speaker 1: twelve months. There's been a lot of work, and obviously

465
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Speaker 1: if there's a lot of work, there are sacrifices or

466
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Speaker 1: compromises that you make in other aspects of your life.

467
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Speaker 1: And also neo, because I think when you're thinking about balance,

468
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Speaker 1: you can't isolate it from the people that you're in

469
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Speaker 1: the same household with or the people that you're close to,

470
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Speaker 1: because it has a flow and effect. Yeah, and so

471
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Speaker 1: I think for both of us, we're thinking a lot

472
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Speaker 1: around how can we craft a year that feels more balanced.

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Speaker 1: And if we think about the pie chat and just

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Speaker 1: where energy is going in that pie chat, a lot

475
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Speaker 1: of it went to work in the last twelve months. Yeah,

476
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Speaker 1: and you know, I want to think about what do

477
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Speaker 1: I want that energy pie chart to look like across

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Speaker 1: these different categories. Fun and hobbies is another category, and

479
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Speaker 1: I'm aware that it feels like a bit of a

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Speaker 1: shopping list of categories.

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Speaker 2: No, the pie chat is actually another good retrospective way

482
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Speaker 2: of looking at the year, and some people can map

483
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Speaker 2: it from zero to ten as well, and you can

484
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: see where things are out of whack. If you do

485
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Speaker 2: it as a pie chart and then you sort of

486
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Speaker 2: show where you sit, then you can see if one's

487
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Speaker 2: ten out of ten and one's zero out of ten. Oh,

488
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: my pie chart is out. So it is actually a

489
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Speaker 2: really good reflective exercise.

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Speaker 1: So fun and hobbies, and then there's two more categories.

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Speaker 1: Are there are eight segments nine and we did try

492
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Speaker 1: to collapse it into less. Nine seems like a lot,

493
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: but I welcome your bills, Lisa. So fun and hobbies

494
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: and this definitely fell by the wayside. So I mid

495
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: year decided that I would take up sewing again as

496
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Speaker 1: a hobby. I used to sew a lot in my

497
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Speaker 1: teenage years, and then because of the amount of sewing

498
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Speaker 1: that I was doing, it actually began to feel a

499
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Speaker 1: little bit like a chore and then I just stopped.

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Speaker 1: But it was something that I actually became quite masterful

501
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Speaker 1: at considering my age. I felt really proud of my skills. Nothing.

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Speaker 1: And then Neil and I went to Vietnam in July

503
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: and we visited and formed like a bit of a

504
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: relationship with this local tailor, and it was just fascinating

505
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: to see how they work and their processes, and it

506
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: made me think, I think I want to take this

507
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Speaker 1: up again. I want to relearn and remember how to

508
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: sew and craft physical things out of nothing. Which when

509
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Speaker 1: you're a knowledge worker, as we both are, it's quite

510
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: gratifying to be working with your hands for the thing

511
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: that is your hobby.

512
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Speaker 2: And it's still consuming because you know, so you're not

513
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: sort of sitting there still thinking about work. You really

514
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: have to focus. I think that's a really amazing thing.

515
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: And how have you gone with that?

516
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Speaker 1: This year? Terrible? So got a sewing machine for my birthday,

517
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: which was wonderful. I started strong. I did a few projects,

518
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Speaker 1: but funnily enough, they were mainly with Frankie and we

519
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: would sew together and that was actually a really beautiful

520
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: experience and that was definitely some of the highlights if

521
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Speaker 1: I think about the life flo there were some highlight

522
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: moments where we got to sew toys together and almost

523
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 1: just a bit of an education as to how a

524
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: soft toy is made. A lot of work goes into

525
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: creating a soft toy, which Frankie loves her soft toys.

526
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Speaker 1: But then because of the imbalance in work, that hobby

527
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: fell by the wayside and goals and intentions that I'd

528
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Speaker 1: had around really embracing this hobby just deteriorated, basically, like

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Speaker 1: I did a little bit of sewing about a week ago,

530
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Speaker 1: and I feel like this has almost become a little

531
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Speaker 1: bit of a signal to me to go, where's my balance?

532
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Speaker 1: And if I've got time for sewing, then it's like

533
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Speaker 1: a signal to say, you're good, You're in balance, You've

534
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Speaker 1: got the energy for your hobby, which means that work

535
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: is perhaps more under control. So that's become like an

536
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: interesting little I guess checkpoint for me to go, how

537
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: am I going and how am I going with the balance?

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Speaker 2: Because what got in the way of doing the sewing

539
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: was it just I'm exhausted, so I have no.

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Speaker 1: Energy, exhaustion and stress and just a very high I workload.

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Speaker 1: Is that all the categories personal growth? Yes? And then

542
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: hopes and dreams? So personal growth which can come from

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Speaker 1: I guess a lot of these, and then hopes and dreams,

544
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: which is really for Neo and I when we have

545
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: our check ins, it's like, what are our hopes and

546
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: dreams for the next month or the next six months.

547
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: And you know, while we reflect a lot, it also

548
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: encourages us to be very future focused and go like,

549
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: what are we thinking about? What are we dreaming about?

550
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Speaker 1: And how can we make that happen. So they're the

551
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Speaker 1: categories that I'm thinking about when I'm thinking about what

552
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Speaker 1: do I want twenty twenty five to be, and then

553
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Speaker 1: also thinking about it in partnership with my life partner,

554
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Speaker 1: what do we want a craft as our twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering whether you could do then a yearly one,

556
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Speaker 2: so you could do a twenty twenty four pie chat,

557
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Speaker 2: and then you could do your if everything you know

558
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: turns out bewed flea in twenty twenty five, what does

559
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: that pie chat look like? So sort of melding it

560
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: with that future thing and just saying and it doesn't

561
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: even need to be a number, but it could be,

562
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Speaker 2: you know, with health, I'm feeling dot dot dot. You know,

563
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: we're doing dot dot dot, you know, doing you know

564
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: a little bit of sewing for a hobby, you know,

565
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: every week I've made five pieces or you know whatever,

566
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: But sort of do it more as a discursive This

567
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: is at the end of the year and I'm doing

568
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: my pie chat, and this is what has happened. That

569
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Speaker 2: just is one suggestion for how you might have fun

570
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Speaker 2: with the yearly pie chat.

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Speaker 1: I like that thinking about what is the balance of energy?

572
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: Where is the energy going? Yeah? I know that the

573
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: energy was out of whack this year. So what does

574
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Speaker 1: an ideal year look like? Yeah? Of energy?

575
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: And what does my little pie chat if I had

576
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Speaker 2: to do it again, what would they look like?

577
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the visual reminders are so strong

578
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: when you are trying to stay true to whatever intentions

579
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Speaker 1: that you have. I like the idea of actually create

580
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: a visual of the pie chat and pinning it on

581
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: the fridge so that it is there every day to go.

582
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: I have it going with that at the end of

583
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Speaker 1: every week, going how is the balance this week?

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Speaker 2: And have you heard of the you know, the pre

585
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: mortem exercise?

586
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: Yes? But can you share what this is for those

587
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: that don't know it?

588
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: So we could tie in a bit of a pre

589
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: mortem exercise. So a post mortem is when you analyze

590
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: something after it's happened and said, oh wow, what went

591
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: wrong and what went right? So that's called the post mortem.

592
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: A pre mortem is a useful exercise, and it's basically

593
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Speaker 2: what if I'm talking about the end of twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm utilizing is this concept of pre mortem.

595
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: So I'm beaming myself into the future and I'm describing

596
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: it like it is happening right now. Because humans are

597
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: terrible at being able to properly project ourselves into the

598
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 2: future and say, oh, you know, and set goals. So

599
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: we set unattainable goals. But we also think that we

600
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: can do way more than we can in a year.

601
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Speaker 2: So what the pre morton does is it says, let's

602
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: be mourselves into that future state. So it could be

603
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Speaker 2: five years hence, if you really want to look at

604
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Speaker 2: a vision, or it could be December twenty twenty five,

605
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Speaker 2: and you describe your roaring success, so you know, Amantha

606
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Speaker 2: roaring success. You know, you describe that maybe like a headline,

607
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: and then you also look at the flip side, which

608
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: is a kind of terrible disaster, so a disaster state,

609
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: and then you write out like a paragraph of what happened,

610
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: and you can do it like an article in you know,

611
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: the Age or in the Australian Financial Review roaring success.

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00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: This happened Amantha, you know, started sewing in her backyard

613
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Speaker 2: and then you know, suddenly all.

614
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: These beautiful things happened.

615
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Speaker 2: So you describe that future stage, and then you do

616
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Speaker 2: the opposite for the you know what made it terrible?

617
00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: Amantha snowed under way too much work, had it even worse, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then got burnt out.

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Speaker 2: So then you do the other side and then you say, well,

620
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Speaker 2: what contributed to that? And it's in that process of

621
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: writing the story where you can sort of crystallize, and

622
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: they're often surprising things. Hugging Row from Stanford, he runs

623
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Speaker 2: these pre mortems and I'll just do your quick story

624
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: to tell you about what is non obvious. So Stanford

625
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: Medical School, their pre mortem roaring success is to actually

626
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: create innovations in the science area that would change the world.

627
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: And they initially thought that it was about enticing more experts,

628
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: high level experts, medical researchers into their organization. But what

629
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: they actually found out through doing the pre mortem is

630
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: that a lot of the difficulties happened because of bottlenecks,

631
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Speaker 2: because there were not enough to support people like nurses

632
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: and the way they get their grants, that these nurses

633
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: got snowed under with these things that they absolutely had

634
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: to do to get funding in the first place, and

635
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: it didn't matter even if they attracted all these medical researchers.

636
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 2: Without the nurses, they wouldn't be able to do anything,

637
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: no breakthroughs. And so through doing the pre mortem, it

638
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: opened that up, and so I actually go, this is

639
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: fascinating and you can definitely use it for your own

640
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: career and you can unearth things that wouldn't be obvious

641
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: through just doing it. I'm setting a goal and why

642
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 2: do we repeat every year the same bad habits.

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Speaker 1: What I love about that is I've only run pre

644
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Speaker 1: mortems where you think about what if everything is a

645
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: total failure? Well really, and how do we look back

646
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: and how do we prevent that? But I've actually never

647
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: done a pre mortem from memory where it's like, what

648
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: if this was a raging success? What are the things

649
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: that led to that? For me, I've always used that

650
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: pre mortem in the work context. I haven't really used

651
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: it in my personal life to think about how do

652
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: we prevent shit from going wrong?

653
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But how do we actually promote things going right? I

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Speaker 1: love that angle as well.

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Speaker 2: Strictly speaking, pre mortem is about all the things that

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Speaker 2: go wrong, So strictly speaking, it would be a pre

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Speaker 2: victorim if we're talking so maybe your Latin brain has

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Speaker 2: gone pre mortem that can't be about pre victorim. So

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Speaker 2: strictly speaking, that's why amanthas so you have been doing

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Speaker 2: it right. It's just an instance that they do both

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Speaker 2: and sometimes there's overlap, but many times you can bring

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Speaker 2: out different things. And also I think energetically what they

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Speaker 2: say is it is better if you're doing this personally.

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Speaker 2: So I've mainly done it for teams as well, the

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Speaker 2: pre mortem pre victim both sides. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: you want to make sure that you get really different

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Speaker 2: people doing it, not just the leadership team, to get

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Speaker 2: the voices in the room. You can do it anonymously

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Speaker 2: as well. If you're doing it personally, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: better to make sure that you do the pre victorium.

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Speaker 2: But even just focusing on the pre victorim, because of

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Speaker 2: the way our brains work, it's actually better to focus

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Speaker 2: on the positive things rather than putting any energy into

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Speaker 2: or intention into the negative things, because sometimes we can

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Speaker 2: create our own futures by focusing on the wrong things.

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Speaker 1: I used to do a vision board as well, did

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Speaker 1: you yeah for the year ahead.

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Speaker 2: So you know when I was talking about the changes,

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Speaker 2: when I was doing big changes, and I really did

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Speaker 2: need to shift big things. So one of the big

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Speaker 2: things was that I was getting into the innovation space

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Speaker 2: and I wanted to do the customer focused innovation program

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Speaker 2: at Stanford, but it was really expensive and I couldn't

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Speaker 2: really see a way to get there. And I had

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Speaker 2: this picture of Stanford and I put it on the

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Speaker 2: vision board and I just had it there for a

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Speaker 2: year and then I actually got this opportunity to go.

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Speaker 2: And I remember my brother was living there at the

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Speaker 2: time and he dropped me off and it was in

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Speaker 2: the backside of the university, so not the normal entrance,

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Speaker 2: and I walked in and I looked up and it

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Speaker 2: was the same vantage point.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was in this vision board. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: It's those things that I, you know, when I used

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Speaker 2: to really want to change things up. Just putting yourself

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Speaker 2: into that future and don't worry too much about how

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Speaker 2: is that going to happen, but just having it there

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Speaker 2: and the magic happens.

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Speaker 1: I think to sum up what we've talked about, and

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Speaker 1: I hope that this has been helpful for anyone listening

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Speaker 1: and thinking, you know, what is in your control when

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Speaker 1: you're thinking about the year ahead and the year that

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Speaker 1: has just gone, and how can you create the year

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Speaker 1: ahead to be even better or a better one than

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Speaker 1: what you've just experienced. I remember I heard this concept

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Speaker 1: a few years ago around sliding versus deciding, and in

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Speaker 1: so many things like whether that be in you know,

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Speaker 1: entering into a new relationship, or deciding to stay in

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Speaker 1: a workplace. You know, the idea of just sliding into

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Speaker 1: something where you're just you're kind of on you know,

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Speaker 1: autopilot versus deciding, I think sums up what we've talked about.

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Speaker 1: So I know, for me, sliding into next year versus

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Speaker 1: deciding to make different changes to make twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: a better and richer year and a year that has

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Speaker 1: more sewing in it as well, it's definitely going to

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Speaker 1: be my approach to thinking about the year ahead.

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Speaker 2: So I was a seventh year lawyer, and I'd realize

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Speaker 2: that every year had just rolled on, and I thought,

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Speaker 2: so this idea of in the morning when you wake

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Speaker 2: up and you think, I choose this day. So if

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Speaker 2: I'm not happy, I'm just not going to let it

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Speaker 2: roll on because it was just another day, or I

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Speaker 2: wonder if I should do something about this tick Over

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Speaker 2: seven years later, right, that was a inertia and so

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Speaker 2: I thought, today I choose I either choose to stay

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Speaker 2: or I choose to do something about it, And so

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Speaker 2: what am I going to do today? So that was

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Speaker 2: you know, when you want a big change. I mean,

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Speaker 2: some people just want to stay, you know, and happy,

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Speaker 2: and that's an awesome thing as well contentment and gratitude.

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Speaker 2: But if you do want to change something, then watch

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Speaker 2: that inertia.

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Speaker 1: I would say, Lisa, thank you so much as always

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Speaker 1: for sharing the super interesting and helpful rituals and strategies

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Speaker 1: that you have in your own life. I I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be listening to this conversation again and really writing

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Speaker 1: down notes to help improve my process. I've learned so much,

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Speaker 1: So thank.

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Speaker 2: You, Thank you, Amantha. And you know this is all

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Speaker 2: a fun experiment, isn't it. What works for me might

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Speaker 2: not work for others. But you know, keep on sharing.

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Speaker 2: And if it helps you reflect and helps you, you know,

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Speaker 2: feel a little bit better than job done, and if

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Speaker 2: it makes it feel worse than dougle amynight something else like,

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Speaker 2: that's part of the lab, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: I hope you love this chat with Lisa as much

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Speaker 1: much as I did. I know there's at least a

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Speaker 1: couple of strategies I'm going to be trying to implement

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Speaker 1: this year to see if I can get the best

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five possible. And if you want to hear

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Speaker 1: more of Lisa, you can find links to her socials

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Speaker 1: and this working life in the show notes. If you

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