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Speaker 2: This chat I am joined by Sam from The Summit,
Speaker 2: whoever the last few weeks has been seen on Channel
Speaker 2: nine's ambitious new reality series. The Summit is the latest
Speaker 2: reality series from Endemol Shine Australia. The premise is a
Speaker 2: group of contestants racing to the top of a mountain,
Speaker 2: undertaking various tasks along the way and avoiding being eliminated
Speaker 2: by a mountain keeper who is making their life a
Speaker 2: living hell. Each contestant has a backpack with a portion
Speaker 2: of the grand prize of a million dollars, which will
Speaker 2: be split by whoever makes it to the top of
Speaker 2: the summit. A little bit more about Sam, I guess today.
Speaker 2: Sam is a strength and conditioning coach from Sydney and
Speaker 2: he was not one to shy away from the challenge
Speaker 2: of the summit. We saw him exit the competition on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: and while he had the fitness to make it to
Speaker 2: the top, it's fair to say his social game was
Speaker 2: what let him down. I will ask Sam about his
Speaker 2: biggest mistakes and if he's friendship with fellow contestant Jan
Speaker 2: survived him stealing ten thousand dollars of the prize money.
Speaker 2: Sam will reveal the accuracy of the final edit and
Speaker 2: how much of the show is actually set up to
Speaker 2: create heightened drama. We will even find out how he
Speaker 2: was chosen for the summit and the real reason why
Speaker 2: he has said no to countless other offers to appear
Speaker 2: on dating shows. Plus, we will also get plenty of
Speaker 2: exclusives from behind the scenes of the Summit, which is
Speaker 2: currently on Channel nine and ye can catch up on
Speaker 2: nine now if you've fallen a little bit behind. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let's bring Sam into the podcast and guys, this is
Speaker 2: a really fun chance. Sam was a lot of fun
Speaker 2: to talk to, So I hope you enjoy this episode.
Speaker 2: Hey Sam, how are you?
Speaker 3: Buddy?
Speaker 1: Awesome? Ben love it and me, how are you doing well.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of the Summit, so this is
Speaker 2: actually kind of exciting to have you to talk about
Speaker 2: a series.
Speaker 1: Nice. I have enjoyed every single minute of it.
Speaker 2: I felt like when it started they were long episodes
Speaker 2: and I was like, God, these are long. And then
Speaker 2: now we're at this point of this series where I'm
Speaker 2: like they could be twice as long.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. At first, like a drag's on, but
Speaker 1: I guess we've got to do a lot of character development,
Speaker 1: We've got to meet a lot of people set the scene,
Speaker 1: and yeah, even with that last episode, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: just give us more.
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a lot of people in Australia
Speaker 2: that would definitely be interested in seeing more of you.
Speaker 2: But I want to start by saying congratulations on a
Speaker 2: memorable effort on the summit. How are you feeling about
Speaker 2: the whole thing at the moment.
Speaker 1: I'm relieved that it's over. It was a lot of anticipation,
Speaker 1: a lot of suspense. I am really happy with how
Speaker 1: I've been portrayed. I can quite truly say when it
Speaker 1: comes to setting a goal and a termination, I feel
Speaker 1: like that is exactly how I came across. I had
Speaker 1: such an amazing time. Like there were freezing moments, there
Speaker 1: were difficult moments. Dealing with the social structures was such
Speaker 1: a challenge that I wasn't ready for. But man like,
Speaker 1: like you saw in every single episode, it was breathtaking
Speaker 1: to be able to stop with everyone and just soak
Speaker 1: in how freaking beautiful New Zealand is.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't. I'm watching it on a big screen
Speaker 2: at home in my place. I have a home theater,
Speaker 2: so amazing, Like you're just it's a feast for the eyes,
Speaker 2: which is great. I'm just talking to you now. You've
Speaker 2: very well spoken, h You're very articulate, You're very handsome.
Speaker 2: I want to know how did you get picked to
Speaker 2: be on a show like this? Did you apply? How
Speaker 2: did this happen?
Speaker 3: For you.
Speaker 1: So over the past couple of years, I guess I've
Speaker 1: had a fair few casting producers reach out for certain
Speaker 1: shows Lo and Behold. They were always dating shows, and
Speaker 1: I was like, there is absolutely no chance, Like personally,
Speaker 1: that is not how you meet someone like and for
Speaker 1: some people, I just don't underst really understand how it's necessary.
Speaker 1: But whatever floats your boat, totally fine.
Speaker 2: Let's check these off the checklists really quickly, just because
Speaker 2: we can't live this opportunity. So when I saw you
Speaker 2: with the long, curly, blonde, golden hair before you had
Speaker 2: a cut, which is a great charity that you made
Speaker 2: money for, absolutely gorgeous, So I can imagine that we
Speaker 2: can check the Bachelor off. I'm sure you would have
Speaker 2: been offered that one.
Speaker 1: Not yet, but I still don't know if I'd be
Speaker 1: able to bring myself to do it.
Speaker 3: What about Marritith first side, if I asked you to
Speaker 3: do that one.
Speaker 1: There is no chance in hell I will ever do that.
Speaker 3: But that's not an answer to the question.
Speaker 2: We're like asking have you been asked to do those shows?
Speaker 1: They're more elusive than that. I think I got asked
Speaker 1: to do like Sex on the Beach, which or maybe
Speaker 1: it's on the beach. I don't know. It's one of
Speaker 1: the two, one of the ones I've already done.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, so you've been had on by casting producers
Speaker 2: all over the country to do dating shows, But then
Speaker 2: why did you choose a summer look.
Speaker 1: They came up to me after the head shave. They
Speaker 1: were like, you're really enthusiastic and engaging. We think you'd
Speaker 1: be perfect to this new adventure TV show. And at
Speaker 1: first I pushed back a little bit and now like,
Speaker 1: you're us out. It's like Sas Meat Survivor, And that
Speaker 1: had my ears pricked up because I've seen bits of
Speaker 1: the SAS and I've always been like, you know what
Speaker 1: that has you written all over it. I jumped at
Speaker 1: the opportunity, and next thing, you know, like two weeks
Speaker 1: after a big holiday at burning Man, I got flown
Speaker 1: over to New Zealand and dropped into the complete opposite climate.
Speaker 2: Okay, that is a big difference. I don't necessarily know
Speaker 2: if mentally going to burning Man was a good idea
Speaker 2: to do this show straight afterwards, But I digress. We
Speaker 2: need to talk about what the audience reaction has been
Speaker 2: like for you, because you have very iconic look. So
Speaker 2: I can imagine walking the streets of Australia at the
Speaker 2: moment You're getting a lot of people coming up to
Speaker 2: you and talking to you.
Speaker 3: What are they saying?
Speaker 1: Well, most of the people. I just did the Sydney
Speaker 1: half marathon, actually the Runaway Sydney Half Marathon, and I
Speaker 1: think I had probably about twenty people yell at me
Speaker 1: saying the mountain man, or get back on the summit,
Speaker 1: or what are you doing here? People are really nice,
Speaker 1: which is really good to see. No one has said
Speaker 1: anything negative and I'm not one to go and read
Speaker 1: the comments. I'm never going to go do that. People
Speaker 1: can shoot me a message, but so far most people
Speaker 1: have been really lovely, really happy to see me, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm really happy with the response so far.
Speaker 2: Well, are you worried about getting the villain editor is
Speaker 2: what they call it in television land? How were you
Speaker 2: feeling doing the show with Was there sometimes where you're thinking, well,
Speaker 2: I could say that, but then I don't want to
Speaker 2: be looked to be too mean, Like what was the
Speaker 2: process and how did you feel about maybe dodging that
Speaker 2: villain edit?
Speaker 1: Mmm, it came really natural. I don't really have a
Speaker 1: mean bone in my body. The entire show, I was
Speaker 1: playing with the assumption that we need to speed ever
Speaker 1: on up. So every single time that I was choosing
Speaker 1: someone that was slowing us down to make us move quicker,
Speaker 1: it was never a tactical move. It was more for me,
Speaker 1: quite a logical move, and I feel like that showed
Speaker 1: actually pretty well. I don't feel like I was mean
Speaker 1: at any point. I feel like decisions had to be made,
Speaker 1: and when you're going through like rugged alpine terrain and
Speaker 1: doing some of the things we had to do, it
Speaker 1: was really necessary just to keep the momentum of the
Speaker 1: entire group going.
Speaker 2: Would you say that this show, now that you've done it,
Speaker 2: it relies on brains or braun, because like when it
Speaker 2: starts out, you're like, well, Sam can get to the
Speaker 2: top of the mountain because you have the braun. But
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you don't have the brains. While I
Speaker 2: dig myself a very big hole, I think at this
Speaker 2: side of the experience, are we talking about how you
Speaker 2: negotiate your social game or whether or not it is
Speaker 2: the physical game.
Speaker 1: Like looking back, look, there were some people that were
Speaker 1: extremely prepared for the social game and were playing from
Speaker 1: day one, and we see them go a long way
Speaker 1: in the show, and it definitely acts in their favor.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone was prepared for how much social
Speaker 1: game was going to go into this. People know that,
Speaker 1: like it takes three months to make Survivor, and we've
Speaker 1: got two two and a half weeks to create this show,
Speaker 1: So I think there was a little bit of urgency,
Speaker 1: but we see so much more gameplay come out, and
Speaker 1: it does end up being about your friends that you make,
Speaker 1: and your loyalties and how honest you are. People can
Speaker 1: see through you, especially when you're spending all your time
Speaker 1: every single day with each other. If you're not being
Speaker 1: honest and being truthful and being yourself, people can see it,
Speaker 1: and that's when you can make the worst enemies.
Speaker 2: I think that that was probably a bit of the downfall.
Speaker 2: Did you watch any Survivor or any other reality shows?
Speaker 2: Because your romance that you got with Jans, For me,
Speaker 2: as soon as I saw that developing, I was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh no, I was like, this is not good.
Speaker 2: Like you know, as soon as the two strongest people
Speaker 2: got together and very handsome looking blokes, of course, that
Speaker 2: is a huge target on both of your heads.
Speaker 1: So looking back. I definitely shouldn't have had such a
Speaker 1: strong alliance with Chance. It definitely painted a massive target
Speaker 1: on our back, and that was clear from day one,
Speaker 1: and that's why I literally got put up for eviction
Speaker 1: every single time that it came around. I think I
Speaker 1: got very lucky at a lot of moments to keep
Speaker 1: myself there. I would play completely different had I got
Speaker 1: the chance, or have I get the chance to do
Speaker 1: it again, fingers crossed that that does get to be
Speaker 1: another opportunity, because it was so much fun. It was
Speaker 1: so much more fun than I was actually expecting, and
Speaker 1: people are tactical. I have never watched a season of
Speaker 1: reality TV. I've seen episodes here and there, but nothing
Speaker 1: that has drawn me in so much. It has been
Speaker 1: really enjoyable to watch this, and I'm actually looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing a lot more reality TV, hopefully on the
Speaker 1: adventure side through to the end, because it would take
Speaker 1: a lot more preparation if I were to do it again.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the series is such an ambitious idea.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you think that the ruthlessness of some
Speaker 2: of these challenges were a bit harsh for audiences to
Speaker 2: get their heads around.
Speaker 1: I don't think the challenges were ruthless enough. I'm honest,
Speaker 1: I wasn't actually challenged at any point.
Speaker 3: I'm still recovering from the bridge shop in the first
Speaker 3: episode is so brutal, and I'm not afraid to say this.
Speaker 3: I had tears in my eyes when the bridge was
Speaker 3: It brought back all those memories of not being picked.
Speaker 3: You know, it's sport at school.
Speaker 1: It seems so cruel. I mean seeing Steven's face drop
Speaker 1: and we were all in drop. We did not. I
Speaker 1: wasn't even watching as as I pulled that axe out
Speaker 1: of the bag. I was labbergasid. I did not know
Speaker 1: what was going on until I literally saw the bridge falling.
Speaker 1: It broke our hearts. It was gut wrenching to see. Luckily,
Speaker 1: he came away unscathed.
Speaker 2: You've cut up with him for a beer, and he's
Speaker 2: not at the bottom of the mountain. For people who
Speaker 2: are watching Channel.
Speaker 3: Nine, he's still okay in the red, still in that creek.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the recovery process for
Speaker 2: this show, because I can imagine you would have trained
Speaker 2: usually because you're already a fit guy, but you know,
Speaker 2: mentally and physically coming out of this experience, how did
Speaker 2: you cope.
Speaker 1: The scariest thing we did and the thing that probably
Speaker 1: stuck with me the most of the helicopter chase. That
Speaker 1: is one of the scariest things I've ever done, and
Speaker 1: it's because that helicopter driver was an absolute cowboy. There
Speaker 1: was one point where I had to jump out of
Speaker 1: the way of the rear rotorblades because he was about
Speaker 1: a meter and a half above us. As we're running
Speaker 1: underneath the helicopter, he decides to turn chase someone else.
Speaker 1: I see those rotablades coming around, and I jump out
Speaker 1: of the way onto the ground and I honestly reckon
Speaker 1: I game like two or three meters close to those
Speaker 1: rear roaders and it is loud and there is so
Speaker 1: much wind. Terrified.
Speaker 2: I want to know more about this helicopter because we
Speaker 2: can't see in so they've obviously tinted windows. But the
Speaker 2: Mercedes Benz of helicopters. But are you calling it to
Speaker 2: the mountain keeper as the mountain keeper the helicopter itself.
Speaker 2: I mean, I find it noticeable that they've even given
Speaker 2: them and keeper agenda, like she's the mountain keeper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she is the mountain keeper. Maybe it's a They
Speaker 1: then because the gender kind of changes as we go along.
Speaker 1: Like Jai calls the mountain keeper one thing, then calls
Speaker 1: them another. Who knows we never see the driver. They're
Speaker 1: just always watching and they well, I mean, guys, you
Speaker 1: know what's probably been the creepy one, just filling that
Speaker 1: person in through the entire thing, the absolute prick.
Speaker 3: What's your relationship with him?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Because thing like that all the time?
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, I don't clearly, as you can tell
Speaker 2: from be on the on the line with me right now,
Speaker 2: I do not have a masculine voice.
Speaker 1: But he is.
Speaker 3: Kind of this caricature. Are there moments where he breaks.
Speaker 1: He We got to make him laugh a fair few times,
Speaker 1: and the longer the show one he would break character
Speaker 1: a little bit and then he would have to go
Speaker 1: back and be like, guys, stop making this laugh. By
Speaker 1: the end couldn't keep it together. It was quite funny
Speaker 1: seeing him break character a couple of times. We will
Speaker 1: never get to see that on TV. But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: completely Certainty is actually such a lovely, kind person. But man,
Speaker 1: he is smoldering and deceptive. On the show.
Speaker 3: We'll talking about what we don't see.
Speaker 2: You know, there must be so much footage that Endemol
Speaker 2: Shine Australia are collecting along the way. Is it harder
Speaker 2: for you guys to be ignoring the cameras and being
Speaker 2: authentic with your climb? I mean, do you get told
Speaker 2: off if you look at the cameras? Do do they
Speaker 2: take a couple of dollars out.
Speaker 3: Of the prize money?
Speaker 1: Like? What?
Speaker 3: How is that dynamic going?
Speaker 1: It's actually really impressive. The production company is so professional
Speaker 1: with it, like they put up these walls straight from
Speaker 1: the get go to not be engaged with the cameramen
Speaker 1: or the producers throughout. They're having very little in terms
Speaker 1: of sway with what you say. They encourage you to
Speaker 1: vocalize how you're feeling and what of, so you get
Speaker 1: quite used to vocalizing yourself, expressing yourself a little bit
Speaker 1: more and I see, I guess that's when in reality
Speaker 1: TV you see people's personalities magnified more because you have
Speaker 1: to talk about how you're feeling the entire time. There
Speaker 1: was no scripting, which was actually really awesome. I can
Speaker 1: safely say the show is ninety nine percent accurate to
Speaker 1: how it actually was. Annoyingly, they cut out my letter
Speaker 1: that I got from family and I had big tears,
Speaker 1: like my brother had just given birth to a newborn
Speaker 1: baby girl while I was on the show and named
Speaker 1: it Esne, and it was a really beautiful moment. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: being the tough guy on the show, they cut it
Speaker 1: because they just couldn't have me probably in tears.
Speaker 2: And I think when they know that, you know they're
Speaker 2: editing backwards, they know that you're going to go. You know,
Speaker 2: they can't have us be obsessed with you and then
Speaker 2: have you chopped from the show. It's hard for the
Speaker 2: viewers to kind of get their heads away. Your exit
Speaker 2: from the show was a shock to me. Who do
Speaker 2: you hold the most responsible for being eliminated?
Speaker 1: Oh, you know what, I'm gonna hold Alex responsible for that.
Speaker 1: He put my hand up multiple times for eviction and
Speaker 1: seeing him jump into the water when we were already
Speaker 1: in the water in the previous episode. You actually hear
Speaker 1: me swearing the entire time because I see him jump
Speaker 1: into the water to get the bag and I'm like,
Speaker 1: we are already doing all of this hard work. And
Speaker 1: as much as he says he's a team player, he
Speaker 1: absolutely shafts us on our side, and he already had
Speaker 1: his mind made up Sam was going home, and that
Speaker 1: was just very clear. Put anyone else in that position,
Speaker 1: they're probably going to go swimming for the bag anyway,
Speaker 1: everyone wants that option.
Speaker 2: Well, I think Alex is quite popular. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: watching this show and interacting with the fan base, and
Speaker 2: he's sounding very popular. But you know, the reason why
Speaker 2: I think he's popular is because if he's saying less,
Speaker 2: you get into less trouble. And he's really not humming
Speaker 2: across in the edit, like we're hearing too much of him.
Speaker 2: So you know, I think that's one thing. If you
Speaker 2: keep talking, which is my problem, you can hang yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, personally, Alex is an absolute angel, and you see that,
Speaker 1: like he is a stand up citizen and he is
Speaker 1: a very kind, very fair person as well. So only
Speaker 1: when it comes to the TV show do I have
Speaker 1: beef with him, No other time. He's a wonderful human.
Speaker 2: Well, the bag of money left out for you to
Speaker 2: go through seemed like a massive oversight from everybody. Things
Speaker 2: like that created for TV drama because it seems like
Speaker 2: maybe it's they're told to leave the money outside of
Speaker 2: the tent, or do you think it was a genuine
Speaker 2: mistake on their behalf to be leaving that kind of
Speaker 2: money lying around.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm not too sure because so what happened when
Speaker 1: I was leaving. There was definitely one cameraman and director
Speaker 1: that was a chip above the rest. This guy has
Speaker 1: a lot of experience in a lot of years, and
Speaker 1: when we were filming that scene and when the bag
Speaker 1: was being dropped, he was with me and he said
Speaker 1: to me, we are going to have a lot of
Speaker 1: fun with this, and we played around with how we're
Speaker 1: going to do it. It was my idea to leave
Speaker 1: the note with them and to cut the bag open
Speaker 1: with a stone. It was so juicy and so much fun.
Speaker 1: But we were actually ready to go into the tent
Speaker 1: and recover the bag. Now, when we went through at
Speaker 1: midnight to the campsite, we found the bag outside and
Speaker 1: we were like, why is it outside? That's going on?
Speaker 1: We didn't know what was happening either, but it made
Speaker 1: a job very easy. I'm gonna blame the margaritas. They
Speaker 1: We got given margaritas at that checkpoint, and I had
Speaker 1: tour of those in about five minutes, and I was
Speaker 1: getting tipsy, and I know that they would have had
Speaker 1: a lot more drinks after I left around in that campfire.
Speaker 1: We had wine, we had beer, we had margaritas, and
Speaker 1: when the group becomes less and less, they're still supplying
Speaker 1: the same amount of stuff. So I reckon that people
Speaker 1: might have had a few too many drinks. That bag
Speaker 1: was a little bit of an oversight because people are
Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment, there's a bit of
Speaker 1: drama going on, and then someone would have left it outside.
Speaker 3: The others were furious that you stole the money. Everyone
Speaker 3: being cross about that to me was infuriating. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, every single one of you would have taken
Speaker 3: that money. Why are you trying to take the moral
Speaker 3: high ground at.
Speaker 1: This Every single person would have taken that money. We've
Speaker 1: got a crewture going ever since the show, and every
Speaker 1: was like, Sam, why didn't you take more? Unfortunately, the
Speaker 1: Mountain people only let me take ten thousand. I was wondering.
Speaker 1: I was like, Man, ten thousand in the pool of
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty K in that bag is not much.
Speaker 1: I wish I could have taken twenty or thirty, because
Speaker 1: that definitely would have rustled more feathers and made people madder.
Speaker 1: But I can easily say that every single person that
Speaker 1: was left was shocked by the situation but probably loved it,
Speaker 1: and every single person would have taken more. I love
Speaker 1: when Jan said that he wouldn't have because he's trying
Speaker 1: to win people over. Mate. No one is believing that
Speaker 1: for a second.
Speaker 3: No one's believing him at all.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but you know what a load of shit
Speaker 2: like your ability to try and win people over with
Speaker 2: your emotional games.
Speaker 3: It's holing flat. I mean, how does it land for you?
Speaker 1: He goes really robotic when you tell it when you
Speaker 1: can see him not being honest, and I had to
Speaker 1: message him that, I'm like, dude, you turn into a
Speaker 1: robot when you're lying, because I can see it because
Speaker 1: I know him quite well from spending so much time
Speaker 1: with him. Now that I'm like, dude, you need to
Speaker 1: sort this out. If you want to lie as much
Speaker 1: as you do, you need to sort out this acting
Speaker 1: game of yours.
Speaker 2: Come on, bro, He's not being asked to being on
Speaker 2: the New Neighbors, that's for sure. Maybe heven, well, what
Speaker 2: about your relationship with him moving forward? I mean, it
Speaker 2: did seem like there was a bit of tension created
Speaker 2: in that scenario, and unfairly you kind of being pitted
Speaker 2: against each other and that elimination would have been hard.
Speaker 2: Did you immediately pick the friendship up once the show
Speaker 2: was over or have things been a little bit sour
Speaker 2: between the two of you.
Speaker 1: Nah, there's been no sound on us at all, Like
Speaker 1: when you were going to be one of our names
Speaker 1: was probably going home that night. I genuinely thought it
Speaker 1: was either going to be Fill or myself.
Speaker 2: I know that you're saying that your relationship with Jens
Speaker 2: is obviously still great, but what about relationships moving out
Speaker 2: of this show? Do you have two people that you
Speaker 2: think that you would stay in contact with.
Speaker 1: There's a few people that we're all really amicable, but Shemma, Isaac,
Speaker 1: and Chance I'm still really close with. They're all absolutely
Speaker 1: wonderful souls. And I've had a really good time catching
Speaker 1: up with both Isaac and Gemma. They've come to a
Speaker 1: couple of the viewing parties that I've been throwing here
Speaker 1: in Sydney, and I've caught up with Jans a few times.
Speaker 1: I really just think Jan's got caught up in the
Speaker 1: game and the manipulation that sometimes these shows creates, and
Speaker 1: it shows a lot of inauthenticity, and it just doesn't
Speaker 1: show his strongest self, whereas like you see, Gemma and
Speaker 1: Isaac just be so true and honest and it's a
Speaker 1: testament to themselves how beautiful they are as people.
Speaker 2: I love Gemma. I think that she when I straightaway
Speaker 2: is when she turned up. I was like, I would
Speaker 2: make friends with that girl right now. Once you were left,
Speaker 2: were you able to check in and see how every
Speaker 2: run was going? I mean, do they fly you straight
Speaker 2: home to Australia and tell you to wait to watch
Speaker 2: it on television?
Speaker 3: I mean, what's that process?
Speaker 1: Like? It was actually beautiful. After I saw that bag
Speaker 1: and got my ten k first thing in the morning,
Speaker 1: I got helicoptered back to Queenstown and while everyone else
Speaker 1: is looking for their bag, I'm having a hot shower
Speaker 1: and I'm licking my fingers without ten thousand dollars. But
Speaker 1: were to stick around until the end of the show
Speaker 1: for a twist that's coming up. I hope everyone gets
Speaker 1: ready because it is actually really fun and quite controversial.
Speaker 1: I will say, but we actually have no idea of
Speaker 1: the final outcome until we see the last people pop
Speaker 1: out of the helicopter at the very end to announce
Speaker 1: who the winners are. From this point, we just see
Speaker 1: other people leave the mount and then come back to
Speaker 1: the hotel, and all we have to do is go, oh,
Speaker 1: you didn't make it. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a taste and that's an exclusive. So
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 3: Would you have done anything differently?
Speaker 2: The second last question for the pod is there anything
Speaker 2: now looking back that you think I probably should have
Speaker 2: changed one percent?
Speaker 1: I should have kept my shirt on a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I should have put on more clothes, toned down my
Speaker 1: enthusiasm and excitement and all my strength even though also
Speaker 1: what you don't see on the show is how many
Speaker 1: hours of each other those days I'm carrying Kiddy's bag,
Speaker 1: I'm carrying isaacs bag, how much I'm pushing everyone and
Speaker 1: motivating people. You just hit the little snippets here and there,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't really paint a really good picture. We
Speaker 1: made a lot of friendships, but I think being the
Speaker 1: type of person looking a certain way and having a
Speaker 1: strong mindset and also physique, it already paints the target
Speaker 1: on my back. You've got to hide those things whether
Speaker 1: you really want to move forward in a show like this, Sam.
Speaker 2: Were you cold with no clothes on just before you go?
Speaker 2: I feel like it's the sub question, it's the deleted set.
Speaker 2: I mean everyone else was freezing, there was snow, the
Speaker 2: water looked like it was icy, and then you were
Speaker 2: not wearing any clothes while everyone.
Speaker 3: Else was roped up? Was that?
Speaker 2: Was it? Really?
Speaker 3: I just want to do, were you cold or was it?
Speaker 3: What was the process?
Speaker 1: I'm currently right now sitting here in shorts on my
Speaker 1: balcony and nothing else. Okay, correct, I've done fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: of ice bath today. I've been to New Zealand four
Speaker 1: or five times, and I in those icy lakes every
Speaker 1: time I go. I really like the cold, but you
Speaker 1: can train yourself to handle cold the more you do it.
Speaker 1: So the fact that I put myself into those really
Speaker 1: cold situations, your body can tolerate more cold without you
Speaker 1: actually feeling cold. And so why with all the prep
Speaker 1: we've just come out of winter in Australia, we're creating
Speaker 1: this show. It is always snow in New Zealand, it
Speaker 1: is always cold, but I was there and there's some
Speaker 1: moments where you do feel cold when you're not doing anything,
Speaker 1: but when you submerg yourself in cold water. When you're
Speaker 1: putting yourself into those difficult situations, your body creates more
Speaker 1: resilience and I don't really feel the cold. Even to
Speaker 1: this day. I have a freezing cold shower every single morning.
Speaker 1: It's invigorating, amazing.
Speaker 2: And I always ask everybody who joins this podcast, what
Speaker 2: is something from behind the scenes, something that we won't
Speaker 2: see that the audience might appreciate as kind of a
Speaker 2: behind the scenes secret of what it's like to be
Speaker 2: in this production of the Summit gets that contract, Ficks,
Speaker 2: so contract?
Speaker 3: What can I.
Speaker 1: Say from behind? From behind the scenes. Some people don't
Speaker 1: really understand how TV is made, and I actually had
Speaker 1: to give some of the contestants a pep talk saying
Speaker 1: this isn't necessarily about you. This is bigger and network
Speaker 1: and production company is making this. So stop talking back
Speaker 1: and do the job that you've been given to get
Speaker 1: the platform that you're being given in the opportunity.
Speaker 2: If you're going to do a show, lean into the brand,
Speaker 2: lean into the theme, because if you're making their job easier,
Speaker 2: then you're going to be on the show for a
Speaker 2: lot longer. If you're making it harder for them, they
Speaker 2: will find a way to have you disappeared down a hole.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that all right now, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: You've got to be likable and you've got to have
Speaker 1: everyone on your side. It's not about a gottube, but
Speaker 1: people can see who you are as a person, and
Speaker 1: people either want to work with you or they don't.
Speaker 2: Do we know if there's going to be another series
Speaker 2: like when you're making it, But they're saying, oh, well,
Speaker 2: we'll try and do something different from them too.
Speaker 1: They didn't. They didn't give anything away. I've got no idea.
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to how they make the next perience.
Speaker 1: I don't think they can do the same location, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to be really excited to see what they
Speaker 1: make next.
Speaker 2: Sam, I just want to say thank you so much
Speaker 2: for this chat. You've spilt so much tea. The cup
Speaker 2: is completely empty. I'm so excited about that. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure everyone who was listening to this now I feel
Speaker 2: like I have asked all the questions that the viewers
Speaker 2: would want from home. Thank you so much for your
Speaker 2: generosity with your time. You've been hilarious and insightful and
Speaker 2: a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the time. I've really enjoyed
Speaker 1: this as well, and I'm hoping I can meet you
Speaker 1: face to face sometime in the near future.