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Speaker 1: Jum mission with Jones and Amanda Well. As we heard

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Speaker 1: this week with the budget, Australian borders are closed until

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Speaker 1: mid twenty twenty. This is drastic news for the travel industry,

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Speaker 1: for universities who rely on international students, and for families.

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Speaker 1: Thirty percent of Australians are first generation immigrants, many with

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Speaker 1: parents overseas, so this is hard stuff to hear. I

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Speaker 1: was reading an article the other day that was talking

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Speaker 1: about that all of this comes down to one number,

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Speaker 1: and that is zero, and we've become obsessed with having

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Speaker 1: zero cases.

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Speaker 2: We've started to fetishize zero.

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Speaker 1: So our virus success has made us feel empowered and

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Speaker 1: we go into a panic lockdown if we get one case.

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Speaker 1: The supermarket shelves are strip bear with one case. And

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Speaker 1: what they're thinking now is that even when we're vaccinated,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be cases. But when will we ever

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Speaker 1: open the borders if we're waiting for zero? The latest

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Speaker 1: scientists believe that COVID nineteen will become an endemic rather

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Speaker 1: than a pandemic. It won't be eradicated, it will continue

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Speaker 1: to circulate, but vaccines will have a double effect. They

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Speaker 1: infections will drop, but the people that do get it

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Speaker 1: will have less severe reactions to it. So as glad

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Speaker 1: as Beerogiclian I think quite wisely he has said case

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Speaker 1: numbers should be replaced by discussing our hospitalization rates as

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Speaker 1: the future metric, rather than saying, this is how many

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Speaker 1: cases we have, and we all panic it's how severe

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Speaker 1: it is in our community.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to get eradication. And that's the they

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Speaker 3: try to do in Western Australia. It's not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not going to happen. And so here we

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Speaker 2: are in a bind.

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Speaker 1: Why would we travel when we're fearful of losing our

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Speaker 1: zero status? So even when we're vaccinated, people aren't going

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Speaker 1: to think to go because wow, what if we're not zero?

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Speaker 1: The future world will rely. There will be cases, but

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Speaker 1: they won't be deadly.

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Speaker 4: But as Australians, that's what we like. We like that.

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Speaker 4: We like as much. We're easy going and she'll be right.

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Speaker 3: We like kind of obeying the rules and showing the

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Speaker 3: world how we do it.

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Speaker 4: That's that's what and that's why when our borders.

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Speaker 1: Then ever open, and we all panic that the borders

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Speaker 1: are all going to close if we get one case

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Speaker 1: that we all go into lockdown.

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Speaker 2: We fetishize the zero.

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Speaker 3: It's quite satisfying to say fetishized. Once you get to

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Speaker 3: say that, it's like efficacy. Remember when you first have

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Speaker 3: to say efficacy.

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Speaker 2: I like that word too, efficacy, fetishized efficacy.

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Speaker 1: I heard a word last night. Actually, Harley and I

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Speaker 1: debated how to pronounce it. I heard them say, meaning

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Speaker 1: it's a task worthy of Hercules. They say it's a

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Speaker 1: Herculean task. Do you say herculean or herculean?

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Speaker 4: I would say herculean, No, Hercules no.

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Speaker 2: And let's not fight over taco and taco.

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Speaker 4: If you say tacco, I think, now you do. That's

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Speaker 4: just a mum thing.

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Speaker 2: I am a mum.

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Speaker 4: That's such a gualo thing. What's gualo? Gualo that's white

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Speaker 4: woman in Asian.

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Speaker 2: Like guidgeen in Japan.

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Speaker 4: You're a white because you call it so.

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Speaker 3: My daughter's got a friend who's Asian, and she said,

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Speaker 3: that's such a gwilo thing.

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Speaker 4: That means like middle aged white woman.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've never been so insulted in my life to

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Speaker 1: be called exactly what I am.

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Speaker 4: Jonesy and Amanda's xamination