WEBVTT - REAL REALITY - Australian Survivor: Titans V Rebels - King George 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:03.640 TV Reload, the podcast. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:04.040 Past weep that line. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:07.280 Welcome back TV Reload listeners, thank you for clicking and downloading. 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.720 On today's episode of TV Reload with King George, we 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.480 will be talking about Australian Survivor, of course, but we'll 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.560 also be discussing his new role on Talking Tribal, which 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.920 will be a digital show as a sideshow on ten 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.479 Play each week. Australian Survivor Titans Versus Rebels will be 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.400 a showdown that pits the winners against the underdogs and 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.560 the big wigs against the battlers, with each player competing 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.040 for the grand prize of half a million dollars. I 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:33.320 can't believe it's five hundred thousand dollars. That seems like 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.400 a lot of money. From lawyers to teachers, sports agents 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.960 to powerlifters, bounty hunters and firefighters. Sounds like a pitch 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.720 for a reboot of the Village people if you ask me, 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.239 Australia is set for a diverse season of new players, 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.440 which audience has really been crying out for. There is 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.360 so much to unpack with George today, what he thinks 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.360 of the twenty twenty four Castaways why this theme Titans 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.400 Versus Rebels appeals to him. We will also hear about 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:03.320 his favorite Survivor moves and his biggest regrets playing in 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.920 two seasons that we've seen so far. I will ask 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.920 about the casting of himself with Blood Versus Water, runner up, 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.119 Chrissy on talking Tribal, and why Kara and Hayley were 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.360 looked over. Anyway, guys, let's bring George into the podcast 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.520 to sit back and relax as we dive just that 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.000 little bit deeper into the world of Australian television. How 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:21.559 are you, matey? 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.880 You're good, been good, Ben, been good, been busy, But 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:24.400 I've been good. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.040 I mean you've been making money with what is the 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:28.760 champion gambling? Is that what we call it? 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.679 If you're talking about the Australian poker circuit, that is 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.479 like a fun hobby for me. Look, I think there's 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.760 a lot of similarities between poker and Survivor. So it's 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.959 about timing and pacing yourself and making the most of 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.120 opportunities that present themselves and then getting credit when you 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.039 need to playing the man rather than the kind of 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.520 cards that you have. So poker's great and you meet 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.320 a lot of people from all walks of life, forever 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:55.520 trad survivor cerently. Oh, definitely. I think like one of 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.960 the biggest kind of like what if if that injury 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.960 doesn't happen to myself and Jackie. I think she was 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:02.640 going to have a huge season because she's one of 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.560 Australia's best ever poker players and having sat on a 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:07.720 poker table with her, I played a teams event with 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:12.000 her when the tours stopped by Aubrey early December, and 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.360 we won it. Because it was Aubrey, it wasn't as 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.600 much money as in a bigger city, but she's a 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:17.200 great player. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.240 You know, we had spoken a little while back when 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.240 we were talking Amazing Race and I was trying to 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.040 dig it out of you about what theme are they 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:24.679 going to do this year? And now we know it's 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.800 Rebels versus Titans. What is your thoughts on that? What 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:29.160 are you giving that as a theme? 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.720 I love the theme and I'm kind of very proud 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.359 of the fact that a Strained Survivor has basically set 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.839 the benchmark worldwide and this is the first time we've 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.320 had this theme and I've heard a lot of people 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.440 say it's Champions v. Contenders like, or David v. Goliath like, 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.679 But I don't think that's the case. And I think 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.160 with a theme like Titans v. Rebels, it gives the 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.959 new players that we have on each tribe a lot 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.000 of scope and bandwidth to do what they want in 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.480 terms of the way that their tribe mentality might be 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.120 set by the theme. And you can be a Titan, 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.200 but you can play with an intellect or like villainous 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.919 character or hero trait. You're not limited to just I'm 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.000 on the hero's tribe and I've got to do everything 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.760 that's right. You can be a Titan and interpret what 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.600 that means in a different way from a game playing perspective, 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.400 and I think it's the same with a rebel. Rebels 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.440 do go against the grain, Rebels do have to sometimes 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:27.360 fight for what they want. And I think the theme 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.440 is going to set up a really exciting season and 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.000 I can't wait for it to start on the twenty 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.160 ninth of January. I love the plug. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.160 I love that you're always so good with the plugs 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.560 you've made for television. Well, what do you know about 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.040 this series so far? Do you have any early favorites 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.560 from even just watching some of the early promos. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.440 I have been loving all the promos, and I think 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.000 we've got a really good season ahead of us. Some 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.160 of these promos have got me like, really kind of 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.480 excite at the prospect of seeing these players play. Valaria's 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.480 promo is just absolutely fantastic. I think Valaria has the 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.960 potential to be one of the big most random Survivor 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:06.920 characters we've ever seen. Having played with a Russian superstar 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.000 in my last season of Survivor in Liz and being 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.320 of a Slavic background myself, if you cross someone with 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:17.080 the Slavic heritage, there's hell to pay. And when you 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.800 combine that with a very eccentric beauty queen, I am 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.880 really excited at the prospect. And we've just had so 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.039 many kind of like different kind of players get introduced 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.560 to us in the preseason. Viola looks like an absolute beast. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.400 I've never seen so many abs on someone in my life. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.080 So you tell yourself that Viola is going to be 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.080 a real kind of challenge beast of a player and 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:43.159 a really big character. And if we pivot over to 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.440 the Rebels tribe, Arris in his promo compares himself to 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.280 me and a lot of people might be thinking what 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.360 do I think about that? And I'm happy to tell 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:55.480 you I'm really excited to see another person from Western 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:59.760 Sydney bring their life experience and their streetsmarts to the game. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:00.599 I don't know, George. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.359 I had a rumored that they were looking, you know 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.200 that a lot of people that were going through the 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.720 application process, and I spoke to a few people that 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.480 were applying and got quite far, you know that they 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.040 were getting frowned upon for saying that they want to 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.120 be like George. You know. Yeah, the thing is we've 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:17.479 already had a George like you. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:21.320 True, if you want George, you'll get George playing again. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.320 But I don't think I don't think it's helpful to 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.520 kind of like compare apples and oranges. What I do 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.919 think might be an ace up pharisis sleeve is being 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.560 someone from a culturally linguistically diverse background from Western Sydney 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.280 like I was. I think that's where the comparison probably ends, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.400 and will probably wait and see what happens in terms 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.880 of like gameplay and mentality and whatnot. But I also 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.080 know the strength of character that that builds and how 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.359 valuable of an asset that would be going to a 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.520 game like Survivor. I would always back a Western Sydney 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.520 person over a Bondi influencer to do well in the game. Now, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.520 there's one person's promo who have played probably about fifty times, 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.719 and that's every time I hear the words like a bloodhound, 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.799 it's sence shivers up my spine and seeing him snooping 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.479 around that shopping center in that promo, I just think 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.360 someone like him has got so much potential in the 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:12.240 game as well. Well. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.840 It's a good sign off from you, the King George himself. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.240 What did you know from casting producers? Because I mean 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:18.960 you're in the building now, do they talk to you 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:20.960 about what they might have been looking for this year? 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.000 I'm not involved in those conversations, but there's a lot 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.760 of material out there. You work in the podcast space. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.719 A lot of these kind of like TV execs go 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.960 on podcasts themselves, and I think the more astute person 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.120 that wants to learn what people are looking for just 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.520 needs to listen to the material that's out there, because 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.120 it is out there. I spoke about my own TV 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.760 journey in my book, which also got released in December, 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.520 How to Win Friends and manipulate people. What worked for 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:48.680 me wasn't deviating from being myself. And I think when 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.280 you go on a TV show, many things need to 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.000 happen for it to work. But if you try and 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.400 put on a character that isn't true to the one 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.120 hundred and ten percent version of yourself, it's not going 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.760 to work, but more importantly, going to have any kind 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.920 of connection with the audience. And what gets me really 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.680 excited about this cast is we've got people from all 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.520 parts of the country with different life experience, and they're 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.400 all hungry to play the game. And I think if 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.760 we go from like a survivor game perspective, I feel 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.240 like after Heroes v. Villains in particular, the game has 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.040 elevated to a different level. Gone are the days of 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.800 hiding under the radar, playing in the shadows, lowering your 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.120 threat level and trying to do as little as possible 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.920 and delivering probably a boring TV product. The game's picked 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.800 up its pace, it's transformed. And if a lot of 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.360 these people were comparing themselves to me in the casting process, 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.400 and whether they got on or not is immaterial, I 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.320 think what that shows is there's been a kind of 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.840 cultural shift in terms of what to bring to the 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.000 table when you play Survivor, and that's what gets me 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.440 excited about a cast of new players and these Titans 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.840 and Rebels, I feel like they have evolved in terms 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.400 of Survivor players and they're going to make a very 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.480 good seasonal. How to make friends and then make situations 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.600 work for you and manipulate people's the drama way of 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.880 saying that. But the key kind of story in the book, 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.760 in all the stories that have a lesson in there, 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.240 is you are fully able to make a situation work 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.160 for you, and if it works for the other party 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.800 at the same time, you've manipulated them. But if you 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:18.200 both get a positive outcome, then it's a satisfactory and 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.840 a win win situation for both parties. And that was 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.120 the secret to my Survivor game. My book's not an 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.960 academic book. It's an entertainment book, and there are definitely 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.400 a lot of Survivor stories in there, but it kind 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.920 of like opens the layers into what worked for me 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.800 in terms of a mindset, and that involves my upbringing, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.000 my former work history working as a political staffer and 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.040 in government, and that Western Sydney mentality and what it 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.280 means and how you can apply that in different life situations. 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.800 And if that's a good window for a future Survivor player, 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.480 I highly encourage them to read the book or listen 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.120 to it on Spotify if they got Spotify Premium, and 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.480 put it into practice in a future season. 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.960 Retrospectively, looking back at your seasons, what would you say 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.679 is your facevor moves that you managed to pull off? 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.000 I think obviously the episode seven Tribal Council, like when 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.720 You've got the New York Times picking that out as 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.960 one of the key TV moments worldwide. Ever, that does 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.920 bring me a great deal of pride and joint But 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.000 I did a lot of difficult things, and I think 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.560 before that one, it was the merge episode in season 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.400 six Brains v. Brawn when I played as a double 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.640 agent and had two idols limited out of the game 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.960 and pulled that all off really last minute. And I 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.960 think the beauty of Survivor is and this is what 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.320 I hope to see from the new players in Titans v. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.680 Rebels from both tribes. You can do whatever you want 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.360 in the game, and the players that take advantage of 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.520 the opportunities that are presented before them, and that includes 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.440 having conversations with people, working out their intent, their priority, 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:52.080 their motivations, and then putting it into action, noting that 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.080 it might be a difficult thing to do or a 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.880 risky thing to do, and then taking the ball by 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.760 the haunts. That's where I think we've seen the cultural 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.600 shit in terms of Surviving Survivor players and mentality, and 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:05.920 that's what I want to see from these new players 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:06.720 in this new season. 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.840 What about your worst move? Can you just tell me 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.719 what is the one thing that you've watched it back 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.160 and thought, why did I do that? 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.280 Why did I do that? Why did I assume it 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.160 was a final two in Samoa like we all did. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.439 To be fair, I would have one hundred and ten 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.920 percent voted off Matt at the final five, and I 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.440 probably would have won half a million dollars. 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.120 That might have put an end to the story. Like 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.520 you know, maybe we wouldn't be still so thirsty for 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.960 you to come back on Australian Survivor or a Global Survivor. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:32.840 Like I feel like the fact that you haven't won 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.400 yet just makes us just that little bit more thirsty 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:36.360 to see you play again. 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.720 Fortunately for me, I've resumed my commentator seat as a 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.240 co host of Strain and Survive, a talking tribal. Playing 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.600 survivor takes a toll on your body, and having come 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.120 out injured from Somola, it took a severe toll of 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.800 my body. And I'm very happy to be watching from 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.200 the commentator's lounge. I feel like I'll be like those 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.160 football panelists calling the coverage on Paramount Plus of the 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.400 A League or the Asian Cup that's on right now 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.480 and then, and I can call a spade a spade 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.800 from the sidelines and not have to worry about the 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.560 physical side of the game that we love so much. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.080 Congratulations by the way, on getting that job. And I 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.560 think that that's the perfect way to still include you 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.199 in a season because people like everyone I spoke to 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:16.679 us like yeah, but it's this season't going to be 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:18.880 any good because you know George is not there, And 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.560 I'm like, well, George is still a part of the 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.239 series in a big way because we're going to get commentary, 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.640 and I think it's perfect for you. What can you 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.920 tell us about the panel though, who's joining you on 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:29.840 the panel, What can we expect from you? 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.120 I think this is an absolutely fantastic panel, So joining 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:37.520 me from the X Player panelist perspective is the runner 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.319 up of Austrained Survivor, Blood Vee Water. Chrissy's a remba. 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:44.439 I like to call Chrissy everybody's favorite Auntie and Chrissy 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.000 has one of the greatest social games we've ever seen 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.840 in a strained Survivor. And what someone like Chrissy showed 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:52.800 and what she brings to the panel is that there's 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.000 many different ways to succeed in the game of Survivor. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.200 It's not all just strategy and politics, which worked really 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.960 well for me, but she really brings that kind of 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.880 like social expert and I can't wait to see what 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.920 Auntie thinks of the episodes, and you'll be able to 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:09.920 find that out on Talking Tribe on and of course 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:16.400 Shannon Gus the worldwide Survivor Expert data legend who can 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.000 reel off any stat from any season in the English 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:23.200 speaking world worldwide. And I think it's a great panel 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.400 that will have lots of different kind of lived experience 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.439 and thought track and process and then the stats and 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.120 the data behind it to flesh out and break down 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:33.000 every single move. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.400 What has your relationship been like with Chrissy behind the scenes, 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.800 because from what I understand it, you two have developed 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.720 a bit of a bff relationship that people might not 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.960 be aware of. How does the dynamic work between the 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:46.360 two of you? 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.960 I think I just I touch base with Chrissy just 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:55.160 before bloodby Water started daring, because what fullness of Fiber 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:59.000 players have is a shared experience, and I just drew 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.120 an instant connect with Chrissy. She's just such a fantastic, 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.400 magical person. And let me tell you my delight when 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.839 I got told she was the co host for Talking 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.400 Tribal it brought me significant joy. And she's just a 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.720 magnificent person. And it's gonna be It's gonna be a 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:15.960 fun panel. Put it that way. 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.920 Is Kara though, or Haley, you know two of your 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.559 BFFs on series. Are they disappointed not to be sitting 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.400 there with you or is there a reason why they're 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.000 not sitting there with you? What can you tell us 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:27.400 about that? 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.200 Well, Hayley's just had a baby, so it's a change 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.160 in terms of like life priorities from her perspective. But 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:38.320 Caa is also still my best friend in life and 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.480 a great person. But who knows, they could they could 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:42.240 be back in the future. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.120 We'll get them for a cameo. Is it hard to 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.800 make genuine friendships though, because the nature of this show 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.240 is that you set up to sort of manipulate and 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.160 deceive each other, And so then how does the evolution 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.920 happen once the show finishes if you struggle to maintain real, 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.000 genuine friendships with these people. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.400 I don't think it's really like that in reality. Ben. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.920 In reality, particularly the people that you work within the game, 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.360 you have this kind of like shared experience where you're 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.319 living together in very harsh conditions twenty four to seven, 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.840 and that is probably years worth of friendship in the 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.240 outside world. And when I talk about Caro, who's literally 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.600 my best friend in life, who I insisted would be 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.960 my family member if I made it to the finale 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:27.920 in Samoa, and then I kept being told no, it 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:29.880 has to be a real family member, and I'm like, well, 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.000 it's going to be a family and then I got 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.040 told it's going to be your mum. So when I 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.320 have the shock of my life when it actually was Kara, 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.080 it's like, that's the level of bond you form with 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.880 your friends out there, or your allies or whatnot, and 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.640 it's like nothing compares to the relationship that I have 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:50.520 with Hailey where we're such close friends but such enemies 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.960 and rivals in the game, and having a conversation about 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.640 Survivor with Haley is fantastic. And then if we pivot 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.360 back to Chrissy the co host and talking tribal, it's like, 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.600 I've never played with Chrissy, but I have this intrinsic 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.240 bond with her where I've stayed at a house and 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.000 you know, had dinner with her husband and her children, 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:11.080 and travel you know, to the Sunny Coast to hang 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.520 out with her for lunch or just for social gatherings. 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:15.960 And it's not just a case of whether you played 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.680 with them in your own season. Sometimes like you're just 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:21.840 drawn to similar people. And I think that's what it 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.520 was with Chrissy, and then like with Haley or Kara 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.760 or you know, lots of other people, way Simon included 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.000 in that himself. You just have that bond and you 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:30.720 have it for life. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.280 I mean, it's funny that Chrissy and you are always 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.280 on everyone's board, you know when they do those and 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:36.760 I'm sure you've read them as well, because I read 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.040 them all the time. But you know where people have 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.640 got their favorite players or who should be on Global 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.720 Survivor or your names both always come up on that. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.200 But I was also going to say the dynamic of 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.920 that show is there people that you played opposite against 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.240 and then met in the real world that were completely 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:53.640 different to who they were on the show. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.520 I feel like when you're actually playing Survivor, you see 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.960 the truest version of people. Okay, the stress and the pressure, 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.000 the situation. So I feel like it is what it 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.720 is with a show like Survivor because you can't you 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.800 can't put a veneer on in those conditions, and you 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.360 see how people deal with pressure, they react with stressful situations, 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.560 or when they're physically exhausted and starving and they've had 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.880 no sleep. You work out who people are, and what 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.160 you have to do is separate the actual game, which 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.080 the goal of the game is to vote someone else 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.080 out or for you not to get voted out, and 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.800 they're two different things strategically, but they can be parked 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.960 in the same camp with what that person would be 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.240 like in the outside world. But usually the impression that 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.200 you get with someone in the game is the same 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.840 outside of the game. You're just not hungry and not 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.800 tired and not in a stressful situation. You're in a 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:45.920 social situation or at their house. Do you know what? 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.320 The thing that I want to know from you with 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.800 Talking Tribal is, how are you going to create? Because 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.040 you always, no matter what show you do, no matter 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.080 what you do, you create a really amazing television moment. 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.720 Are we going to see a television moment on this show? Like, 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.080 are you already planning that? 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.920 Well, it's it's not about planning a television moment. If 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.240 people think me being me creates good television and call 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.280 it moments, that's great. That's why I do the work 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:09.679 that I do, and I've been doing it for the 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.760 past two years. What I'll be doing and what my 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.400 role on the Talking Tribal panel is to give the 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.320 political perspective of what's happening in the game and to 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.560 provide commentary and my perspective on what's happening in the game. 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.440 And that'll be very different to someone like Shannon's perspective 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.760 and very different to Chris's perspective. Shannon brings the kind 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.720 of like computer data based strategy on what would be optimal. 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.840 I bring the human and the political and the emotional 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.119 element which is what worked for me in the game. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.840 And Chrissy brings a completely different perspective. She brings Auntie, 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.640 she brings social she brings complete relationship, and I think 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.879 the combination of the three of us will be a 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.480 very exciting after show. 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.440 Was kNN upset that he's not coming back. I felt 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.960 like Kahn was doing a really good job on that show. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:57.520 Are you actually going to go back on watching of 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:58.920 Khan's work from last year? 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.520 And well, I'd watched every episode of Talking Tribal and 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.399 ten play lasking. But keep in mind, Khan held the 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.760 seat warm for me because I was the panelist on 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:08.560 Bloodbooth Water. 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.080 Yes, I know, but now that you're more iconic than ever, 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.600 I think there's going to be some leveling up. George. 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.840 Before you go, I have to just ask you the 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.640 most common question that is written about you on the internet, 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.600 and that has anyone from American Survivor ever reached out 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.040 to you, any of the official people. Have they had 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:29.320 any communication at all with you? 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.600 Well, I spent three weeks doing the Survivor to a 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.560 circuit and a different kind of fan events and whatnot 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.880