1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:01,000 Speaker 1: Hello. 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr the 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: Order KERNI Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before we 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: get started on She's on the Money podcast, I would 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land of 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country, acknowledging 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 2: as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: and lasting impact for tomorrow. 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Let's get into it. 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money. 13 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast 14 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 4: for people who want financial freedom. My name is beck 15 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 4: Side and with me, as always is Victoria devine. 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: Wan A surprise, h seeing you here, I have What 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: do you do on a Wednesday? That's crazy? I didn't 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: see this coming. How are you? 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 4: Oh, this has never happened before. 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: No novel idea. 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 4: Oh absolutely so, V. I don't know if you know 22 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 4: what the topic of this episode is today, but we 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 4: are talking about how you can set up workplace boundaries. 24 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 4: So I guess like first things First, how important is 25 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 4: setting it boundaries with your employers? 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: So yes, I did know what the topic of today 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: was because I set the topic of today. 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 5: I have had too many conversations with friends recently who 29 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 5: have had their boundaries like exploited, and I get so 30 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 5: frustrated at the idea that you know, people don't respect 31 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 5: their team, especially as someone who runs multiple teams. 32 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: I just go hold on, like what are you doing? 33 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: So I thought the best way to channel my anger 34 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: was into a podcast. More passion is going to be 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: in this than I think usual, and I think it 36 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: is so important that we talk about it, whether you're 37 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: experiencing it or not, just so that we can advocate 38 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: for ourselves, but also advocate for our friends and our 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: family and give them good advice and tips when they 40 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: need it. Obviously not unsolicited advice and tips, because if 41 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: you've been following me on Instagram, I don't really like those. No, 42 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about the typical nine to five, 43 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: five day a week kind of vibe. But obviously different 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: work environments have very different requirements. But we are talking 45 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: about your personal boundaries. We're going to be asking the question, 46 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: what are you comfortable with? How can you define them 47 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: without feeling like you're letting your employer down, and all 48 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: of those little things that make you feel as though 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: you really need to say yes to your boss when 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: you don't actually have to, because you don't actually need 51 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: to do two hours of unpaid labor after work just 52 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: because they ask nicely. 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 4: You really don't. I think a lot of people are 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 4: going to need this episode today. I feel like it 55 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 4: is going to be really useful. But why is it 56 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 4: good to talk about this? 57 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: It's obviously good to talk about it because we don't 58 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: want to be taken advantage of. But beck your job 59 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: takes up maybe like eighty percent of your week, right 60 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: if you're working five days a week, which we know 61 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: quite a few people do a four day week now, 62 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: which is very nice for them, and it's great if 63 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: it works, but it's really important that you're not burning 64 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: yourself out and letting more important aspects of your life 65 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: go down the drain in order for you to appease 66 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: your workplace, who technically should only be getting you for 67 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: that thirty eight hours, but somehow they're getting sixty wild. 68 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: So yes, work is obviously important. It is what provides 69 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: you within income, which obviously is very important to live 70 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: your life, but boundaries are also critical to focusing on 71 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: other areas like maintaining your physical and your mental and 72 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: your spiritual health. But if you really love your job, 73 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: work can often be like an area of your life 74 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: where all of these things are benefited. But if you're 75 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: on the other foot and work is just you know, 76 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: what you do to pay the bills and put food 77 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: on the table, I think you need to be finding 78 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: time for yourself and for other parts of your life 79 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: that bring joy. And to me, that is super super critical, 80 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: and I think so so many times. We need to 81 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: actually understand that delineation. Because it is okay to have 82 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: a job where you go, it's just my job. I 83 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: do it during the day. It pays me well because 84 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: I get my nourishment outside of that. It's actually okay 85 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: as well. If you're like move like I see that 86 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: you're talking about boundaries basically married to my job because 87 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with it, that's okay. But what we want 88 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: you to know is this is all about consent really 89 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: and choice and being given the choice and being able 90 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: to make it. Like so many times when I worked, 91 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, even corporately, I was putting in so many 92 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: more hours than I should and once I realized why, 93 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 1: I could strip them back. But then there were also 94 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: those hours that I'd put in because they made me 95 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: feel better. So I'd be like, all right, well, you know, 96 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: not meant to be working on a Sunday, But if 97 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: I spend an hour on a Sunday going through my calendar, 98 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: going through my emails, I'm gonna have a better week. 99 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: And for me, my mental health is so much better 100 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: when I feel in control. And that was something where 101 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people would be like, I can't believe 102 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: you're working on a Sunday. But I'd be like, well, actually, 103 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: I'd much prefer to do that hour on a Sunday, 104 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: said I'm setting myself up for the week. So we're 105 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: not saying draw these hard lines and you know, don't 106 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: do anything at all. Don't lift a finger. It's five pm, 107 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: pans in the air, otherwise you'll be in trouble. It's 108 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: more are you okay with that? Because like if you are, like, 109 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: it's your choice. Like at the end of the day, 110 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: we know that Australians put way more time, energy and 111 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: effort into their roles than any other country in the world, 112 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: and I think that that comes down to our loyalty 113 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: and it comes down to our worker thick and all 114 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: of that. But we also don't want to be taking 115 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: advantage job. So that's what this podcast is about. 116 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 4: Beck. Yeah, I totally agree with you. For me, I'm 117 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 4: kind of like, you know, I love video editing, so 118 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 4: I love a Friday night and it sounds weird where 119 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 4: I just have like a red wine. 120 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, No one's gonna annoy you because like, yes, exactly, 121 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: it's so much fun for me to just like cut 122 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: up some videos have a red wine. 123 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 4: But just to clarify it, I mean, I know that 124 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 4: I am choosing that, but basically, once it hits five pm, 125 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 4: I go home and that's it. But I guess it's 126 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 4: not really the case with everyone, is it. 127 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: No, of course not. And sadly it isn't the case 128 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: for everybody. Like every year. I alluded to this before 129 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: the Australian Institute Center for Future Work releases their report 130 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: for Go Home on Time Day and their findings I 131 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: think are kind of gross. So you know, I was like, oh, 132 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: Australian's putting more time, energy and effort, Like it's not 133 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: me being like, oh, what a flex? Like we all 134 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: know how I feel about that. I think I've said before. 135 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: If you have a full time job and somehow you're 136 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: doing like fifty hours a week, like, that's not a flex. 137 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: Like if someone says to me, oh my god, yep, 138 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: like I work for this, you know, standard corporate role. 139 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: I know they're meant to be employed for thirty eight 140 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: hours a week. If they go, yeah, I do like 141 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 1: sixty hours a week, it's like such a finance briefing 142 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: to say, I'll be like, oh, wow, so you're not 143 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: very good at time management then, like it's not a 144 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: flex back like I know. 145 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: Or you're neglecting a lot of your time. 146 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: Oh you're neglecting other parts of your life. Oh, your 147 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: employer's taking advantage of you. Like, no, that's not a flex. 148 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: Let's reframe that. But that report, Beck found that the 149 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: average working Australian is missing out on eleven thousand and 150 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: fifty five dollars a year or four hundred and twenty 151 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: five dollars per fortnite due to unpaid overtime WHOA. That 152 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: equals around five point four hours of unpaid work that 153 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: Australians are doing each and every single year. And because 154 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: I am the drama, let's make this statistic even worse. 155 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: This means that Australian employees are losing accumulative one hundred 156 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: and thirty one million dollars to unpaid work every year. 157 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: Why how we need some boundaries. I could do a 158 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: lot with one hundred and thirty one million dollars. 159 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 4: It wouldn't hurt to have an extra couple hundred every fortnight. 160 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: But like, that's what we're doing, Like you're doing unpaid work, Like, 161 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: why don't you just go get a job driving you know, 162 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: Uber deliveries. At least you're being paid for that work 163 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: if you've got the time. Clearly you do. And that's 164 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: obviously very entitled and privileged to say. 165 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: So. 166 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: I just want to check that because I think some 167 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: people will be like I have to, Like, my industry 168 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: demands it, yes, but it shouldn't be, should it. You're 169 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: being taken advantage of. It's not nice to hear that, right, 170 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: No one wants to hear like, oh, you're being taken 171 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: advantage of. They're like, oh, but like this is how 172 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: we get ahead in my industry. Yeah, but why is 173 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: that the case? 174 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 4: Exactly? That's so that is so bad. So yeah, like 175 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 4: it is kind of bizarre that, you know, the average 176 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,559 Speaker 4: Aussie is putting in the work but not really getting 177 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 4: the reward out, which is probably why this episode exists, 178 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 4: and this is why boundary. 179 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: Yes, and I guess I have spoken about it before. 180 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: I am an employer, and look, I know there are 181 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: times that you might need to log on to do 182 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: some extra man hours and you know, shout out to 183 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: my team. They are legends. Like sometimes I will log 184 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: on and be like, why are you online? Like I 185 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: can see that you're online, like, get off the internet, 186 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, I'm just fixing up such and such. 187 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: And I try to advocate for them as much as possible, 188 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: and I'll be like, beck, actually I really would prefer 189 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: if you're not online, Like I know that you're just 190 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: trying to do something, but like, I don't want to 191 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: be taking advantage of you, And obviously I always try 192 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: to re rate that. But my team also have really 193 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: flexible working hours, so essentially they work the hours that 194 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: suit them. Yes, they have a full time job, but 195 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: if one of them goes, ah, I don't really feel 196 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: like working this morning, have no client meetings, so I'm 197 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: gonna start at ten, you do you? Yeah, they'll have 198 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: to work later. So sometimes I have to be like 199 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: what time did you start? Like is this you making 200 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: up time? Like is this actually a choice and it's 201 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: actually part of your thirty eight hours a week? Or 202 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: is this you literally doing overtime? Which sometimes it's one 203 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: or the other. But I think it's really important, especially 204 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: as an employer, to respect your employees. Like the more 205 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: that you respect them, the more that they respect you 206 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: and your business. Like, to me, it's wild that employers 207 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: just demand this level of respect because they're the business owner. 208 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: So what I say goes and that to me, so 209 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: itck it's like what makes you better than anybody else? 210 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? 211 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: Like, oh, ill are And like we work a busy 212 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: job and they are obviously busy times of the year 213 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: and my team gets that and I really try to 214 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: make sure that they have a good work life balance. 215 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: Like you know, last year during International Women's Day, we 216 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: had a whole series of events and that required so 217 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: much manpower, but like there was compromise. They got additional 218 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: days off. Lots of places don't do that, and that 219 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: blows my mind. And if my team need to go 220 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: to appointments and stuff, or they want to take a 221 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: longer lunch to catch up with like some family, or 222 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: they might have a friend in town or something. Why 223 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't they do that? Like my team at adults beck 224 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: get this, so I treat them like adults. 225 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 4: That is wild. 226 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: Oh, it's an actual insane concept for a lot of 227 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: people that, oh, you're an adult, Well you know, do 228 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: you have the capacity to take it to our lunch break? 229 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: They might go yeah, yeah, because I'm going to work 230 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: until seven tonight, or I'm gonna do this, or I'm 231 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: going to do that. I'm going to make it great. 232 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: Like you're not taking the mickey out of me, but 233 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: you're still having a good work life balance. Does that 234 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: not mean that you're probably gonna like your job? 235 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 4: Or yeah? 236 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: Insane to me, But I think it's a give and 237 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: take relationship that needs to be had between employees and employers. 238 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: And you obviously just can't take take from employees. And yeah, yes, 239 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: at the crux of it, you are paying them to 240 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: do a job, but they have lives. They need to 241 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: be respected and when you show them that, to me, 242 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: it's always come back in spades. Yeah, Like my team 243 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: have always been so supportive of me, so supportive of 244 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, the business as a whole. And I think 245 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: that that starts from the top, like it starts from 246 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: giving them that respect to begin with and going well, actually, 247 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, don't be silly. We have a recording day 248 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: that day. We can't take that day off, and that's fine. 249 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: But if there's flexibility to be had and they need it, 250 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: go forth. 251 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 4: In yonder, I completely agree. It's great for everything stuff moral. 252 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 4: I just feel like you're obviously a very good employer. 253 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 4: My boss is the best boss I've ever had, and 254 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 4: so I feel like, in general, it's not me, you're 255 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 4: one of them. 256 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: Well, I don't get weck full time. She actually loves 257 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: video editing for AARN I've tried. Has it worked yet? 258 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 4: Well? Either way. I mean, we're surrounded by really good people, 259 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 4: but there are some people out there that actually kind 260 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 4: of have bosses. They don't really share that same perspective. 261 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 4: They maybe have like an old school way of dealing 262 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 4: with leading the team and stuff like that. It's really 263 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 4: easy to say, let's set boundaries when people are like 264 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 4: us and like my boss, But there are some people 265 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 4: that don't have that. How would you suggest they set 266 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 4: boundaries if they're in that situation. 267 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's also a two way street. So 268 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: I think about it. And I have managed larger teams 269 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: than the team I have today, and I have had 270 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: some really challenging circumstances where employees do take the mickey 271 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: and you do have to kind of enforce boundaries and 272 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: be like, all right, well, this level of flexibility that 273 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: I've given you is you know, not just being taken 274 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: for granted, but being taken for an absolute ride. You 275 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: do need to turn up to work at eight am. 276 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: Your hours are eight am to you know, five pm 277 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and I need you to be 278 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: there at that time and be present and not take 279 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: the mickey. And you know, you can't just go, oh, actually, 280 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm just going to work from home today because I've 281 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: decided that I can work from home. You know, my 282 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: boss is pretty flexible when in your calendar is like 283 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: an all hands meeting that everybody was meant to be 284 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: there in person for I think there needs to be 285 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: some level of like give and take, Like you've got boundaries. 286 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: I totally understand it, but you're not the only person 287 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: in this relationship. And so back to your question, I 288 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: think there are heaps of ways to implement different boundaries. 289 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: But let's go to a break. Actually, Okay, on the 290 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: flip side, I'll tell you all about how to set 291 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: them and keep them and maintain them. 292 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 4: Good call. Okay, guys, we are back and V left 293 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 4: us on a bit of a cliffhanger. So we've established 294 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 4: that Aussies are putting in extra hours of work every 295 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 4: week I mean some weeks. Hopefully not every week, but. 296 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: Well for a lot of people every week. 297 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people every week. Like it's the 298 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 4: reality again, Sometimes it's the hustle. 299 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: Like I totally set it, Like we need to question 300 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: the hustle. 301 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Savi, can you please sell us what can we 302 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 4: actually do to protect our brains from thinking non stop 303 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 4: about work and set up healthy boundaries? 304 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: All right, Beck, we are going to first sit down 305 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: and we're going to recondo our lives a little bit. 306 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: What's but story for you? Like, what do you love doing? 307 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: I want you to list all of that out and 308 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: have a think about it. Is your friends, your family? 309 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: Is it you know, Beck, you've really gotten into the gym. 310 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: You love that, whatever it might be, let's figure it 311 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: out and be really clear on that. Then we're going 312 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: to implement actual physical things that you can do in 313 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: order to make sure that your boundaries are clear to 314 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: your employer so that you can genuinely enjoy these areas 315 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: of your life that fulfill you. I think there needs 316 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: to be also a clear delineation of not being rude, 317 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: like getting up and walking out at five pm and 318 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: being like, well I'm done. Like that's not going to 319 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: win you any friends, is it. So I've got a list. 320 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: We love a list. Would you like me to take 321 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: you through it? 322 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: Love a list? 323 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: We love a list. I've got ADHD so I list 324 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: every thing? So first things. First big suggestion is muting 325 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: your emails or work notifications in general. 326 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 4: Good one. 327 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: I'm not good at this, so like do I say? 328 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: Or as I do? I have so many work notifications. 329 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: Please Also remember I'm the business owner. I'm also a 330 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: control freak. That's like I need to know what's coming 331 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: in and out at all times. Also, if something hits 332 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: the fan, I need to be the first on it 333 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: because that's my responsibility as the owner. Turns out, Beck, 334 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: that's not your responsibility. If it happens after hours, you 335 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: should be able to fix it. Within business hours. If 336 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: it's a genuine emergency, it should be going to me 337 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: as the owner or the manager of that and not 338 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: pestering you. It's not your responsibility out of ours, right, 339 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: Like unless I'm paying an on call fee for you, 340 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, Beck, if something hits the fan 341 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: and you know you need to spend three hours fixing it, Like, 342 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: don't worry, you'll get overtime. You'd be like, slay, I 343 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: love money, But that's not the case for most employees. 344 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: Is that totally saying My team loves is that there 345 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: are never any emergencies in marketing. So like my team 346 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: user all the time, especially when I'm flustered. They'll be like, 347 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: there's no such thing as an emergency in marketing. It's true, yeah, 348 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: Like we use it all the time. Like there's no 349 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: such thing as an emergency in podcasting, right, There's no 350 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: such thing as an emergency marketing, Like, I do not 351 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: care what your beliefs are that works for us, because 352 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm not conducting brain surgery that is a genuine emergency 353 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: unless like I mean, you are actually a doctor and 354 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: you're listening to this and you are trying to draw 355 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: boundaries and like your on call, like page, you went 356 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: off because you have to go do brain surgery. That's 357 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: actually a different story than us. But if you're off 358 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: the clock, you switch off like we can deal with 359 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: it tomorrow. And I think that that has maintained really 360 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: healthy boundaries between my team and I, but also my 361 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: team and my clients. And you know, clients sometimes get 362 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: out of hand. None of the ones we're currently working with, 363 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: don't worry, but sometimes clients get out of hand, and 364 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: they'll email you at nine pm and be like, hey, 365 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: so that campaign that's going live tomorrow, we've actually decided 366 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: to change the script completely. You go, well, actually, I'll 367 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: get back to you at nine am after it's gone 368 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: live and we can amend it then, because I am 369 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: not going to have my team working at midnight to 370 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: fix the script that you guys had already signed off on, 371 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: Like I'm quite clear about that, because that is not 372 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 1: worth the mental stress for my team. And also I 373 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: know that we communicate clearly. We set boundaries with our clients. 374 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: I gave them sign off weeks prior. This is not 375 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: an emergency. There's literally nothing more draining and consuming when 376 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: you are constantly seeing emails popping up related to work. 377 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: So let's just make sure that there are practical ways 378 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: of shutting off while you're in your downtime, because for 379 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: most jobs, it's not an emergency. 380 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 381 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: And also another person's sense of urgency, so whether that 382 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: is you're manager or a client, does not constitute an 383 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: emergency on your behalf. 384 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 385 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: So like, just because someone else is flustered about it 386 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: and stressed about it does not mean you have to 387 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: take that on. Go okay, cool, hold on, let's step back. 388 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: Is this, in the grand scheme of things, actually an emergency? No, 389 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: I'll deal with that tomorrow morning. Thank you so much 390 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: for looping me in. 391 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 4: It's so hard, so hard to let energy and not 392 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 4: let it overtake you. 393 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: In the moment. It's really hard. But I think that 394 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: once we start to talk about it and learn more 395 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: and go, well, actually, you're right. I get so stressed 396 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: when I see my manager's emails coming through at nine pm. 397 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: Turn them off. Yeah, you owe them, not anything at 398 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: nine pm. The next is I want you to set 399 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: the boundaries with your boss and your coworkers. So let's 400 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: say you're outside of working hours and your boss decides 401 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: to text you rather than email or send it on 402 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: Slack and you feel like you need to address it immediately. 403 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: You actually don't so what I would do. We're kind like, 404 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: we're not being rude here, We're not setting boundaries and 405 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: then yelling at people for crossing them. Hey, no worries, 406 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for looping me in. I'll actually get 407 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: to this first thing tomorrow morning. As soon as you 408 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: start responding to work related requests outside of business hours, 409 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: that kind of becomes the expectation, and employers are and 410 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: do and will take advantage of this. 411 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 4: Yep. 412 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: Like at the end of the day, Beck, if I'm 413 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: texting you at nine pm and going, oh, I really 414 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: would love to xyz and you go, oh, yeah, yeah, 415 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: I'll do it right now, Like I'll go, oh, Beck's 416 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: fine to do that. Yeah, obviously, I'm not going to 417 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: take it antage of you like that. Don't worry. But 418 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: I think you texting and being like, yeah, that sounds epic. 419 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: I'll get onto it tomorrow morning. Just a little reminder 420 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: that I'm not working right now. I'm not in front 421 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: of a laptop right now. You could be anywhere. It's 422 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: your personal time, so it's personal information. The next is 423 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: put on your email signatures. I guess when you're available 424 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: and when you're not. So Jess. In our team, we 425 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: all know Jess. She's on the Friday EPs. She's really 426 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: good at this. So if she's in a studio, she 427 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: puts on an email like out of office that says, 428 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: thanks for the email, I'm actually out of office today. 429 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm in the studio recording and I'll get back to 430 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: you asap. If it's an emergency, here's Maddie's contact details 431 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: and she can deal with it. So I like that 432 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: she kind of sets a boundary but also communicates it. 433 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: It's not just going, well, I'm in the studio, so 434 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm clearly not going to get back to my emails today, 435 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: but she sets that out of office so that you know, 436 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: if a client does an email during genuine work hours, 437 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, she's actually busy with another work task 438 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: or another work thing. And to me, this is really 439 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: important because if you've communicated this, then perfect. But the 440 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: expectation is there, not on Jess to get back to 441 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: them that day, Like you've set an expectation and it 442 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: kind of avoids you getting home and feeling like you 443 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: need to get back to everybody because you miss quote 444 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: a work day, but Jess was working all day. It's 445 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: just a different task and she didn't have time for 446 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: it during that working period, And that is so fine. 447 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: The next beck, do not disturb massive sign stick it 448 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: on your forehead. But that's an option on your phone 449 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: as well to turn on focus. So I use the 450 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: focus thing on my phone all the time. And it 451 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: means that if people text you, it will notify them 452 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: that your notifications are turned off, and therefore they won't 453 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: expect action until it's clearly at a time that works 454 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: for you. 455 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 4: That is a big source of my anxiety. But it's 456 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 4: good that they let people know that notifications. 457 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: Have you ever text me after hours? It happens on 458 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: my phone, So if you text me at like nine pm, yeah, 459 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: it will like not send a reply, but under your 460 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: messages it will have a littleation and it will say 461 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: Victoria has her notification silence. 462 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: Yes, I have seen those. That is really really good. 463 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 4: I mean it should always be you can text me. 464 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: It's fine. Like, I don't know if you guys know this, 465 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: but I have ADHD and sometimes I get in brain 466 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: dump mode and I'm like, far, it would be great 467 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: if they did abc D e FG. And I'm not 468 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: in the mind frame of going like, oh, it's nine pm. 469 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: Probably shouldn't be worrying Beck. I'm just like, I want 470 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: to get that to Beck so she can deal with 471 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: it tomorrow. Sure, usually I'll just message it to you 472 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: on Slack or whatever so that you know it's a 473 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: work channel and you shouldn't have those notifications on anyway. 474 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: But I think it's really important to remember that maybe 475 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: they are just brain dumping. Maybe they're just going, oh shit, 476 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: I do need to remember to get back to do 477 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: that's for tomorrow. But then I'll get the notification that 478 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: says Beck has her notification silence, and I'll be like, great, well, 479 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: at least the message was delivered. She can look at 480 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: it later. Yes, Like that's fine. 481 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of like that. 482 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: Next thing on my list, this is number five. Ye 483 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: begin to be assertive and honest about the opacity that 484 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: you actually have. 485 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 4: Okay, this is like really. 486 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: Attacking you personally, because how many times Beck and I 487 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: try not to do this to you. But I know 488 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: that if someone said, hey, Beck, have you got a minute? 489 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: What do you say? 490 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 4: Yes, definitely, I have several of them. Yeah, but do 491 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 4: you no not all, we don't have. 492 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: A minute, you don't and it's okay to say no. 493 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: So if you've been working an hour overtime every day 494 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: for the past week, I need you to communicate with 495 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: your manager and express that you have plans like for 496 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: five point thirty and that you'll be knocking off work 497 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: at an appropriate time tonight. Like I know that you 498 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to articulate that, but like, if you've set 499 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: the expectation, we need to reset the expectation in not 500 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: a you've been taking advantage of me way like just 501 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: go oh hey, like, I'll be leaving at five point 502 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 1: thirty on time tonight. Sorry, I've got a dinner and 503 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: you can do that whenever you want, but like it 504 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: might make you feel a little bit better about having 505 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: to be like, oh I can't do this. Yeah, you've 506 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: shown up, You've done your best at work that day, 507 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: and now I need you to go and enjoy your 508 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: cocktail in pace like really really important. But also I 509 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: think the whole be honest about your capacity is really important. 510 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: So if your manager, for example, is just loading you 511 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: up and being like oh beck, Also, here's another thing 512 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: I think going they just wanted to talk about my capacity, 513 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: Like so happy to do this. That sounds like a 514 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: really fun task. Actually, but I have ABCDF. Just looking 515 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: at my week, I'm not going to be able to 516 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: deliver all of those. What are your priorities? Do you 517 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: want me to mix this in? Do you want me 518 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: to make this the top priority? 519 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 2: Like? 520 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: What ones are actually important? Because nine times out of 521 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: ten can almost guarantee that your manager has forgotten what 522 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: they have allocated to you this week and you've just 523 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: bitten off more than you can chew. But also it's 524 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: a clear reminder to them that you cannot get the 525 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: work done in the period of time that has been allocated. 526 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: Maybe it needs to be reallocated. Maybe we need to 527 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: stretch out some timeframes and be like, oh my god, beg, 528 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: that is actually a lot of stuff. How about we 529 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: just make it due in two weeks instead of one, Like, 530 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: let's talk about these things so that you're not putting 531 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: unnecessary pressure on yourself. Like I just remember my corporate 532 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: days and being so triggered because I would have so 533 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: many things put on my plate, but I'd never say no, 534 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: and I'd never tell them that my capacity was too much, 535 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: And then I'd be like, but they gave me all 536 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: this work and I have to do it this week 537 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: because they said it was due Friday, and like I'd 538 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: stress myself out. Why didn't I have those conversations about like, oh, hey, 539 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: like I'm actually like fully booked this week to get 540 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: Project ABC done. I know they want me to take 541 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: on Project D, but like at what cost? 542 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 4: Right? I guess it is really good to look through 543 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 4: that list and see that there are actually so many 544 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 4: practical ways of doing it without the anxiety of like 545 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 4: a sit down conversation. You can, yeah, literally just like 546 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 4: pop your phone on, do not disturb or mute your emails, 547 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 4: like things like that. 548 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: Does there have to be aggressive? 549 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: No? 550 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: And when we say b assotive, it's just more like, oh, hey, 551 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: like we're not being rude or me or anything. I'd 552 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: love to do that, but I have four other projects 553 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: on the goal at the moment, like jump me to 554 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: prioritize this one or deprioritize it. And sometimes if you're 555 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: working in like a nine to five job, there might 556 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: be multiple people giving you multiple different things, and like 557 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: you don't know what I've been given by you know, 558 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: analysa our producer versus Jess or you know, Gabby, you 559 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: have no idea what's on my plate this week. So 560 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: when you ask for something and I go, well, Beck, 561 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: how important is it? You go, oh, well, actually it's 562 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: really important for it's for this. I go, okay, cool, 563 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: Now I need to like reschedule my week, and I 564 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: might need to go back to Gabby and be like, Hey, 565 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: this other important thing has popped up. Do you mind 566 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: if I look at this other thing next week? And 567 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: that's fine, But it's about setting that expectation, not just 568 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: assuming I'll take on more. I'll take on more. I'll 569 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: take on more. And that's where good diary management can 570 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: come in. Yeah, like time block. If I don't time block, 571 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: I would be absolutely cooked back. 572 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And I think like it's good that you 573 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 4: mentioned that you're not being mean or I think that 574 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 4: a source of anxiety for a lot of people is 575 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 4: that they might come across as like they're not as 576 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 4: committed to their work. It doesn't actually mean that at all, 577 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 4: does it? 578 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 2: No? 579 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely not, And I think that that's where we need 580 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: to talk, maybe not with our manager directly about boundaries, 581 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: but even just the communication of it, like having those like, oh, Beck, 582 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 1: I really want to do a good job on that, 583 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: but I've got these other things on like which ones priority? 584 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: Because it's saying in a way without having to say it, 585 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be working until ten pm every 586 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: night to get this done, so like when is it 587 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: going to get done? And I think that that is 588 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: absolutely fine, but at the end of the day, you 589 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: need to protect your piece and a lot of employers 590 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: not all, but as a business owner, I know that 591 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: when my team is feeling refreshed and respected, they are 592 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: so much more likely to perform at a higher level 593 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: and deliver amazing outcomes for the team because they actually 594 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: feel good, they feel rested, they feel excited for work 595 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: rather than drained and overwhelmed and all consumed. And I 596 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: genuinely think that that's what employers should be striving for 597 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: because ultimately it benefits them absolutely. Like you're telling me, 598 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: and not all employers are going to agree with this. 599 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: One of my employees up all night with one of 600 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: their kids. They're overwhelmed, they are just so done, they 601 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: had next to no sleep. You're telling me that the 602 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: best thing for everyone here is that they still turn 603 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: up at eight thirty for work the next morning. I 604 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: haven't got any client meetings, So there's no like real 605 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: commitment there. You're telling me that it's not better to 606 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: have my team member go do you know what, I'm 607 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: going to drop the kids off to daycare, get rid 608 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: of them because that was the worst night. I'm going 609 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: to go back to bed till ten am. Then I'm 610 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: going to go to work. I'll do some work later. 611 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: You're telling me that's not a better outcome. 612 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 4: Absolutely would be what are. 613 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: You guys on if that's not a better outcome? Like 614 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: a well rested employee who you know, comes in switched on, 615 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: feels like they had that flexibility, feels like they were respected, 616 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: is going to give so much more even if they're 617 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: at work, you know, for a less period of time 618 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: and they're making it up later. 619 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 4: Like for sure, right, the feeling of being an equal 620 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: and valued part of the team is so valuable. But 621 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 4: I also want to like, no, this is you know, 622 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 4: maybe not so relevant for me. But if there's a 623 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 4: business owner listening out there, what do you think their 624 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 4: takeaway should be? 625 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: Dick? 626 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so four business owners? Treat your employees like 627 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: the adult humans that they are, Like, you're not employing 628 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: twelve year olds, because one that would be illegal. If 629 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: you are, you really need to probably look at yourself 630 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: in the mirror. But also treat your employees just like 631 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: the adults. They have lives, and they have good days 632 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: and they have bad days, and yes, you need to 633 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: show up for you between nine and five every day, 634 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: but reward them when they are working over time, thank 635 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: them for going above and beyond, Like I totally get it. 636 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: You might be a small business and you're like, oh, 637 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: this is so awkward, but like some of my teamwork 638 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: over time and I actually really need them to, but 639 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: I can't afford to pay them one. That's not cool. 640 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: You need to work that out, but like, at least 641 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: vocalize that you're grateful. At least I'd be like a 642 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: lot better. Honestly, thank you so much. I know you 643 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 1: don't have to, you know, I really really appreciate it, 644 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: and like you again don't have to, but I think 645 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: just feeling like you're valued is really important as well. 646 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: And if they are going above and beyond, talk to 647 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: them about that and just be like, I am so grateful, 648 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: I really appreciate this. You know what, where possible, will 649 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: remunerate them pay over time if that's part of it. 650 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, they're going over 651 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: and above for your business for you, and that should 652 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: be rewarded. 653 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: Hm. 654 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 4: Absolutely, what are you reaon about employees? 655 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: So, for employees, communication is obviously the key. Like setting 656 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: your boundaries, it can be hard, but from little things, 657 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: big things. Gross start with really small boundaries. Manage expectations 658 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: from the get go, though, to protect your peace, take 659 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: the practical steps, but also just communicate with your employer 660 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: if they don't respect you as a human being going 661 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: through life, honestly, get a new job. Find someone who 662 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: values you. There's lots of places out there. I know 663 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: that that is the hard reality of it, because so 664 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: many people will be like Besie, it's such a good job. 665 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting such a good experience at what cost? At 666 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: what cost? 667 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely so. 668 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: I think we need to talk about that more and 669 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: more regularly. But what we need to be doing is 670 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: setting boundaries. 671 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 4: I love that. I think that's a really good place 672 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 4: to leave it for today. 673 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: I do think so too. So have a good week, guys. 674 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: We will see you bright and early on Friday morning. 675 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: Until then, love you bye, guys. 676 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 6: The advice shared on She's on the Money is general 677 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 6: in nature and does not consider your individual circumstances. 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