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Speaker 1: It is the government's proposed amendments to the anti discrimination legislation. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Member for our lu And, Robin Lamley, says she

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Robin, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Robin. What are your concerns about the proposed changes.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just listened to your interview with the Chief

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Speaker 2: Minister then, and if you believe what she said, there's

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Speaker 2: nothing to be concerned about, there's nothing to see here,

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Speaker 2: which is just not the case. This is very very concerning, Katie.

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Speaker 2: This is legislation that will literally restrict or limit our

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Speaker 2: freedom of speech in the Northern Territory. And every religious

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Speaker 2: or faith based school in the Northern Territory is in

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Speaker 2: uproar about this for good reasons. Contrary to what the

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Speaker 2: tomorrow in Parliament will restrict their freedom to be able

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Speaker 2: to employ the people they want to employ. Hear her

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Speaker 2: dumbing it all down to nothing and there's nothing, no

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Speaker 2: problems and nothing to see here is absolutely rubbish. If

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Speaker 2: you read the legislation as it is written, there is

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Speaker 2: a lot to be concerned about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I feel concerned, Robin, Like as a commentator,

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Speaker 1: I feel worried that I'm going to wind up in

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Speaker 1: trouble unintentionally. You know, we all enter our day with

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Speaker 1: no intent whatsoever to offend or insult anybody. But based

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Speaker 2: So you should be. All Territorians should be extremely worried.

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Speaker 2: This is not in the spirit of the Northern Territory

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Speaker 2: what they are doing. You're talking about a very radical

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Speaker 2: that in Parliament tomorrow. What the heck are labor values? Obviously,

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Speaker 2: it's about shutting down religions, trying to stop them from

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Speaker 2: practicing their faith, their beliefs, their values, and it just

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Speaker 2: is mean spirited and quite frankly, it is discriminatory, Robin.

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Speaker 1: What will the flow on effects be if this passes.

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Speaker 2: Well? I think the churches are considering that very seriously.

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Speaker 2: You've heard different commentary. I know that you interviewed the

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Speaker 2: mean that some schools feel that they can't achieve their purpose,

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Speaker 2: the point? I mean? I just heard Lauren Moss, the

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Speaker 2: And she was asked, why have you bought this in?

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Speaker 2: that's why they brought this change in. So to me,

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Speaker 2: that said labor are picking aside, they've gone with one

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Speaker 2: it's radical, it's dangerous, it's not in the spirit of

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Speaker 1: Robin, I think that we all agree that nobody wants

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Speaker 2: No other jurisdiction, from my understanding, has gone this far.

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Speaker 2: So you're talking about the Attorney General, who is I

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Speaker 2: that don't agree with their what they call labor values.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the thing that I really wanted to get

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Speaker 2: Robin, Well, she didn't have the fact on hand, and

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Speaker 2: Without faith based schools, the education system of the Northern

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Speaker 2: for parents that want to instill those values. Now, I

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Speaker 1: Robin, Before I let you go, we know over the

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Speaker 2: at everything. Everything needs to be on the table. But

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Speaker 2: we all think and feel and do behave like good

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Speaker 2: labor citizens. Well, that's not the way the real world is.

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Speaker 2: And if they don't pull their finger out and do

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Speaker 1: Robin, what would you like to see happen in Alice

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Speaker 1: Springs immediately?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that they need to shut down the

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Speaker 2: to draw a line in the sand. Listening to Marion Scrimdor,

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Speaker 2: the Labor Senator for Lingiari or the Labor Memapor Lingiari

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Speaker 2: talk about, you know the fact that we have to

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Speaker 2: think about doing something different and radical to stop this.

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Speaker 2: She's right on the money. I think Marion any day

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Speaker 2: over stupid Natasha Files, who's got no idea and no

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Speaker 2: commitment to really changing anything.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we might see if we're able to get

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Speaker 1: Marian Scrimdaw on the show as well, to see what

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Speaker 1: we can find out. Robin always appreciate your time. We'll

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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Coatie, thank you,