WEBVTT - Our 🎀 Hot Girl Handbook 🎀 For Moving Down Under 🐨

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex

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<v Speaker 1>and Frooms catch up podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We've received a lovely DM from a fan but also

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<v Speaker 2>a loyal Flex and Frooms listener. Their name is Ruby.

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<v Speaker 2>The moving from London to Australia and they need to

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<v Speaker 2>know which state to choose, which city Sydney or Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 3>They've said, Hey, Gurley, he's a big.

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<v Speaker 2>Fan here from the UK, hanging since the catastrophe that

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<v Speaker 2>is Brexit.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a jump in. Brexit was also when the fabric

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<v Speaker 4>of time stopped. That was the main calendar moment of Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the my calendar, my calendar. Yeah, I want to

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<v Speaker 4>hear more about do you have any more on that

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<v Speaker 4>or that's just it?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been toying with the idea of moving to Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>England is going Hella downhill and your girl needs out.

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<v Speaker 2>Brexit has stripped our opportunities to freely move to other

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<v Speaker 2>countries in Europe, and Australia is likely the only country

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<v Speaker 2>that'll take us Brits. It's giving immigrant to welcome obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>though this is a huge decision to make, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in the process of gathering dart and I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>you could help. I know both of you have experienced

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<v Speaker 2>living in Sydney and Melbourne. I wondered if you could

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<v Speaker 2>share your thoughts on both cities and the pros and

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<v Speaker 2>cons of each. Where are the vibes and where is

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<v Speaker 2>the quality of life best? Where are there more opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>for a creative girlie? What are the pros and cons

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<v Speaker 2>of living in Australia in general?

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<v Speaker 3>Anything that might be useful. I'd love to hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you read this, I'll be so gaffed by

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<v Speaker 2>the way way sending you much.

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<v Speaker 3>Love, respect and admiration.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Rubiana Ruby, we will come through with a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>consolidated list of pros and cons. Bear in mind that

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't lived anywhere aside from Australia, so.

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<v Speaker 3>All we know is what we know.

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<v Speaker 2>But we can come through with some generalizations that are

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<v Speaker 2>likely to offend Australians, but that's what we're here to do.

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<v Speaker 4>I did do ten days in New York a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of weeks ago, and it was giving.

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<v Speaker 1>It was given that lived in experience.

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<v Speaker 4>I was saying, it's friends in Greenwich, so yeah, actually

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<v Speaker 4>it was in Brooklyn, green Point.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>Pros and cons of living in Australia general. Whenever I

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<v Speaker 2>travel to another country, I often think of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why it's easy for me to assimilarly there, but they

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<v Speaker 2>might not be able to assimilate here very easily. The

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that gets me about the UK London in particular,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize, and I'll be straight up, it is

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<v Speaker 2>so strange to be black in Australia when I went

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<v Speaker 2>to London and realized that, like everybody is mostly ethnic

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<v Speaker 2>and not just black people, like all the diaspora of

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<v Speaker 2>ethnicities that exist, they're there and they're not others. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>walking down the city, I'm looking at a voter phone

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<v Speaker 2>ad black person in Australia. If you see black people

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<v Speaker 2>on ads, they're going to be for like particularly urban things,

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<v Speaker 2>sports hip hop, shoe store, burger chain that's based on

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<v Speaker 2>Kanye Like, it's very particular ways.

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<v Speaker 3>Of framing people.

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<v Speaker 2>And then every now and then you'll get like a

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<v Speaker 2>beauty company trying to show you that they're inclusive. They'll

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<v Speaker 2>use their one dark skin models just so you can

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<v Speaker 2>catch a break. So I think you'll be very very

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<v Speaker 2>surprised at how not black and like not ethnic Australia

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<v Speaker 2>is and how it's not infused and integrated. There are

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<v Speaker 2>pockets of ethnic people in different suburbs and that is weird.

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<v Speaker 4>Literally, So I get like pretty much all my media

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<v Speaker 4>through social media based on the people that I follow,

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<v Speaker 4>and I would say I follow like relatively diverse range

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<v Speaker 4>of people. So then when I watch like Free Day

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<v Speaker 4>Air TV, I'm like, yeah, oh it's.

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<v Speaker 2>The TV TVA where well even most media, to be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, h.

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<v Speaker 4>Well I'm not really I'm not really dating in the

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<v Speaker 4>traditional media since I'm reading a little bit of smh.

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<v Speaker 4>That's more news rather than advertisements. So they're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>sell the Australian public products.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, even the Sydney and Melbourne, I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>they're twenty four hour cities. I think they really close

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<v Speaker 2>at a certain time. Melbourne they've got a Monday Tuesday

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<v Speaker 2>thing when a lot of hospitality venues are closed.

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<v Speaker 3>Weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney is sleepy by seven pm, maybe eight pm if

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<v Speaker 2>you're pushing it. And this is like major metropolitan cities,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas I feel like in Europe a lot of places

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<v Speaker 2>feel like they're always on. You could league the house

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<v Speaker 2>and have a dinner reservation at eleven pm and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a big deal. You're not doing that in Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>It's totally different in that respect, I think as well.

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<v Speaker 4>I noticed when I went to New York everybody gets

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<v Speaker 4>up Well this is a generalization, but places open really late,

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<v Speaker 4>like ten am cafes like, guys, what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Whereas if you moved to Sydney in particular, six am,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a little six am buzz about town to Bondai Beach.

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<v Speaker 4>Six am it's popping. Bondai Beach in the morning pops

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<v Speaker 4>off the most at seven a m. Guys, that's early.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not I'm fully Sydney cod now. I've been here

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<v Speaker 4>for five years and it's giving. I've like assimilated.

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<v Speaker 1>I've assimilated.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't, no, but I mean when you grew.

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<v Speaker 1>Up here, so you know it's not that novel.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say one more thing may be quite different,

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<v Speaker 3>the currency.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're gonna be very surprised at how expensive

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<v Speaker 2>it is to live in Australia in particular.

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<v Speaker 3>I know they say.

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<v Speaker 2>London is like the most expensive place to live ever,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are places that you can go to and

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<v Speaker 2>to get like a bit of a you're not really

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<v Speaker 2>getting deals in Sydney. There's really like not like cheap

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<v Speaker 2>places to live. And even Melbourne now, rent prices going up,

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living is going up. It's all an expensive

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<v Speaker 2>place to live. And if you don't have money coming

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<v Speaker 2>up and you're not really good at budgeting, cooking, doing

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<v Speaker 2>all of the stuff, you're gonna struggle.

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<v Speaker 3>People are struggling.

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<v Speaker 4>Before we get into the creative like which place is

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<v Speaker 4>more creative city?

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to give a little vibe check.

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<v Speaker 4>We've spoken about it a lot on the podcast, to

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<v Speaker 4>the point where someone and the team was like, we

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<v Speaker 4>can't do another video on this, guys, because all you

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<v Speaker 4>do is talk about Melbourne vis Sydney. But just let

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<v Speaker 4>me give you a quick lay of the land before

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<v Speaker 4>you choose your city. Okay, let's say you're moving to Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm from melbourne' this is what I know best. If

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<v Speaker 4>you are more of a creative girlie and you've you know,

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<v Speaker 4>more adventurous and kind of more interested in the future,

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<v Speaker 4>go north side.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is where we're getting like very cool we are.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about if you want to go to Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 2>where you should live.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, got it, then go north Side. South Side is

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<v Speaker 4>for people who don't work in the creative industries.

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<v Speaker 1>Typically is what I've known.

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<v Speaker 3>What is a creative industry?

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<v Speaker 1>Though a creative industry is like if you're like.

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<v Speaker 4>A writer, photographer, tattoo artists, like all of them kind

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<v Speaker 4>of vocations is giving north Side.

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<v Speaker 2>What if you're like a makeup artist, or what if

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<v Speaker 2>you work in retail.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a bit more south Side coded.

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<v Speaker 4>What I think you say specific I know, but they're catching,

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<v Speaker 4>they're catching a vibe. We're using or using stereotypes.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I think you.

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<v Speaker 2>Should use stereotypes, don't say creative industry, and then like

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<v Speaker 2>make nuance. South Side, from what I can see is white, bougie,

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<v Speaker 2>traditional beauty standards vibes. It's like the archetype of what

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<v Speaker 2>people think Australia is like posh Australian accents. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>find them there. Rogue Australians is like, this feels archetype

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<v Speaker 2>of Australians. North Side to me feels culturally aware and

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<v Speaker 2>coded from the Internet. North Side feels really informed by

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet.

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<v Speaker 3>It's global.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like different cuisines and cultures and people and la

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<v Speaker 2>la la and like countercultural and whatever, but really little

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<v Speaker 2>you could afford facts.

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<v Speaker 4>You said that way better than I could ever, So

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<v Speaker 4>thank you. No, that's not true, Okay, Sydney. Sydney to me,

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<v Speaker 4>from the very specific pocket where I've lived, which is

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<v Speaker 4>all within a five kilometer radius, is so much more

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<v Speaker 4>health coded, but in a way that I think is

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<v Speaker 4>quite fun. Like the weather in Sydney is so much

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<v Speaker 4>better than Melbourne in a way that I can't even describe,

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<v Speaker 4>in a way that really shook me. When I first

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<v Speaker 4>moved here five years ago, I didn't even realize that

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<v Speaker 4>Melbourne weather was bad. It just it's like Stockholm syndrome.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't realize how bad it was and how great

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<v Speaker 4>it was until I moved to Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>And that sounds out every day, blue skies, blue skies,

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<v Speaker 2>and if it's not out, it's an anomaly and.

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<v Speaker 4>It's giving dystopia. So that's what's kind of like keeping

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<v Speaker 4>me in this city. And it's such a boring thing

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<v Speaker 4>to say, but it's what everybody says.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a real thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a real thing, and the beaches will just blow

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<v Speaker 1>you away.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, if I'm want to beat crass, please

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<v Speaker 2>and The oversimplified way to put it is that Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>is la and then Melbourne, New York in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that you can do the same things in both places.

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<v Speaker 2>They both offer you a lot in terms of dating

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<v Speaker 2>and culture and lifestyle and work opportunities and going out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a different approach with the same intention. People will

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh my god, Mellen people.

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<v Speaker 3>Are so much nicer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, no, they definitely understand casual interactions a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit better than Sydney people do, whereas the interactions in

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<v Speaker 2>Syney can feel transactional, but that is about your little

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<v Speaker 2>niches that you hang out with. I would definitely say

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<v Speaker 2>that like Sydney is more commercial, Melbourne is more underground.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is broadly speaking for people in our demographic.

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<v Speaker 2>People say, like Sydney is so clique, Melbourne is clique.

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<v Speaker 2>They're both CLIQI They're both cities where you need to

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<v Speaker 2>know to do the stuff you really want to do. However,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like going into a new city for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time with no context, Melbourne is set up much

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<v Speaker 2>better for you to just like find your way meet

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<v Speaker 2>people casually. There's something on every day of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>There's somewhere to go except Monday, as you say, as

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<v Speaker 2>we said, but that's that's hospital and dining. In some

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<v Speaker 2>areas you'll always find a play to watch, a movie,

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<v Speaker 2>to watch art, to see, show on sports on it's

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<v Speaker 2>always pumping. Whereas Sydney the particular moments in the year

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<v Speaker 2>where something is happening and people don't go anyway. People

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<v Speaker 2>aren't going to Vivid in May, people are not in

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney for Sydney Festival. In January when Sydney Fringe is happening,

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<v Speaker 2>people aren't going.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a marketing problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, it's a marketing problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say.

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney is very expensive and you have a smaller time

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<v Speaker 2>to get it right. If you don't have a job

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<v Speaker 2>set up, if you don't have a network, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have your ducks in a row, you're gonna struggle.

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney's not a chill place.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people who are managing are from Australia

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<v Speaker 2>who have families here and like relatives and resources and

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<v Speaker 2>you understand the dynamics of it. Whereas if you're coming

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<v Speaker 2>here and especially wanting to get the most of your

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<v Speaker 2>life before you got to do farm work to stay,

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<v Speaker 2>then oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Farm work to stay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like go to Melbourne, you get the best of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a metropolitan experience, and then go visit Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of beaches. But I don't think Sydney's

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<v Speaker 2>worth moving to from across the world if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have your stuff an order, if you're not getting sponsored

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<v Speaker 2>by a job or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard it's a bit of a party though.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I have. But it's a mandatory thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to live in these disgusting conditions on site.

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<v Speaker 3>I think someone's family, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You would. I think that's a great way to meet friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I say they're all bonding through the trauma.

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<v Speaker 4>In terms of farm's locations, go to Orange like that,

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<v Speaker 4>alright's actually quite a big city, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>People don't want northern Queensland or something isolated rural regional.

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<v Speaker 4>I had a friend do it and they had like

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<v Speaker 4>a like I found myself in the farmland.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like she said that it was a really mindful

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<v Speaker 2>activity and it like reframed what.

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<v Speaker 3>She did with her life amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So might be fruitful.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your permanent residencies, guy, that's just to extend your

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<v Speaker 2>So be mindful.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a really good idea, real quick.

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<v Speaker 4>If you are a creative girl, what I recommend is

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<v Speaker 4>go do farm work, make of simple life, make a

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<v Speaker 4>spin off of simple life, than curtail into your creative career. Guys,

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<v Speaker 4>it's been twenty years. It's time for a reboot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for a reboot.

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