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Speaker 1: Now we heard yesterday with the Chief Minister that the

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Speaker 1: to the Northern Territory's economy and create thousands of new

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Speaker 1: to a new independent economic analysis revealed by Master Builders

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Speaker 1: NT the Economic Impact of Defense Infrastructure Projects in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory report. It was commissioned by economic advisory firm

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Speaker 1: ASIL Allen to analyze the impacts of defense infrastructure investment

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Speaker 1: here in the Northern Territory. And joining me on the

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Speaker 1: of Master Builders here in the Northern Territory, Ben Carter.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Ben Katie.

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Speaker 2: How are you going?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really good, Thanks so much for your time. Now, Ben,

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Speaker 1: why did Master Builders decide to commission this report, Okatie.

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Speaker 2: This new report, which is as you say, was called

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Speaker 2: Bean Dollar Partnership and about the economic impacts of defense

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Speaker 2: infrastructuring in the Territory is actually the third series in

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Speaker 2: a series of reports that started off in twenty fifteen

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Speaker 2: and sixteen, which were done in partnership with the Department

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Speaker 2: of Defense. To ascertain whether or not the territory construction

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Speaker 2: set that has the capacity to deliver defense projects in

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Speaker 2: the territory. And given that there's a strong pipeline of

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Speaker 2: work that's been foreshadowed prior to the VENTA, that's a

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Speaker 2: defensive treaty of view. In twenty twenty, we as partner

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Speaker 2: that again with the Department of the SENSE, who gave

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Speaker 2: and about the projects that were forthcoming in the territory,

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Speaker 2: and we commissioned as well, as you say, to model

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Speaker 2: that to determine again whether or not there's the capacity

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Speaker 2: again the economic benefits which are as you said, substantial.

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Speaker 1: And ben, do we have the capacity to be able

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Speaker 1: to deliver those projects on our own with the construction

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Speaker 1: industry that we've currently got.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so. One of the things that the report highlights

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Speaker 2: One of the things the report says is that there

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Speaker 2: needs to be more markets signaling by the Department of

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Speaker 2: works that are coming. And in a way this report

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Speaker 2: does act that way itself is a lot of should

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Speaker 2: give a lot of confidence to smaller businesses they can

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Speaker 2: start to gear up take advantage what will be an

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Speaker 2: extraordinary opportunity provided by the six point two billion DOLLA

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Speaker 2: to see more of that from an Apartment of Defense.

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Speaker 2: And this is done again in partnership with Defense, but

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Speaker 2: that's an important important element of this ben.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how can we ensure firstly that Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: that we've spoken about quite a bit with your predecessor,

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Speaker 2: Well the successful In fifteen to sixteen and seventeen there

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Speaker 2: which mean that there has to be an opportunities for

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Speaker 2: at the moment it does happen and is happening, and

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Speaker 1: Yes, spot on, And I mean what kind of projects

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Speaker 2: Here, Well, there's twenty five projects we model in the

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Speaker 2: as you know, bearkre concreating one a national award. This

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Speaker 1: What can happen now, tell me, I mean the report

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Speaker 1: found seven six hundred local jobs in the territory between

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a massive number. Where are we going

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Speaker 2: Ben Well, we need to We know that we know

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Speaker 2: And we need to find ways that we can work

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Speaker 1: And I know one of the questions that we get

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, so there's issues of temporary accommodation, the complete

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Speaker 2: rather than just a temporary sugar And so one of

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Speaker 2: the things that are bringing people from over thirty for instance,

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Speaker 1: And the Chief Minister did touch on yesterday. I mean

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Speaker 1: between now and twenty twenty seven, seven six hundred jobs.

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Speaker 2: It is a magic number, and there's going to be

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Speaker 2: no two ways about that. There will be obviously we

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Speaker 2: can't avoid a five pro element of that, but we

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Speaker 2: there needs to be some very very quick action taken

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Speaker 2: is needed, but there also needs to be starting now,

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Speaker 1: When you look at you know what some of the

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Speaker 1: quick action might be for temporary accommodation, what like what

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Speaker 1: do you foresee that the government could actually do to

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Speaker 2: Well, there's some there's a range of things we have

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Speaker 2: they've been very very committed to taking an attaction and

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Speaker 2: There is one thing that we can do.

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Speaker 1: Just Touching on what you said there was an outstanding

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you have to put people have to

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Speaker 2: put it in perspective. Every other state and territory has

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Speaker 2: They're paid to stay there, their accommodation is paid for

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Speaker 2: the officers there. This is Western Australia and South Australia

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Speaker 2: taxpayers means his dolls. They keep doing that because obviously

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Speaker 2: it pays dividends for their economy and therefore their community

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Speaker 2: a Chief minister's on a trip to cost fifty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 2: which may seem a lot, but by comparison, it's to

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Speaker 2: drop in a bucket. And we know that there's billions

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Speaker 2: of dollars coming from the US of the six billion

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Speaker 1: So by the sounds of thing, you do think it

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. And it's not just about this government, it's

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Speaker 2: fully expecting them to be going and doing the similar things,

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Speaker 1: Hey, Ben, before I let you go, I know that

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Speaker 1: some of this work is already underway, like you said,

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Speaker 1: you know, the workout at the airport and that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. But when are we expecting this work to

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Speaker 1: sort of really kick off.

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Speaker 2: Next year we'll see a real a real surgeon in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, there will be there'll be a particular

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Speaker 2: surch I mean to give some perspective of this, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Our report shows that it has the potential to boost

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Speaker 2: economic growth in the territory by nearly five percent. Any

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Speaker 2: other jurisdiction in this country or anywhere overseas. You said them,

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Speaker 2: can we increase our our growth roast day products with

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Speaker 2: THREDP by five percent? They will be falling over themselves

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Speaker 2: to get into that. This is going to be potentially

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Speaker 2: an extraordinary boost to the territory economy. And it's a

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Speaker 2: huge opportunity that's into reports being funded by industry. It's

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Speaker 2: not a government report, yep, it's not government funded. Our

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Speaker 2: members have funded it and it's a it's a really

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Speaker 2: good opportunity for people to get the detail of what's

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Speaker 2: coming and to understand the opportunity well.

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Speaker 1: Master Builder CEO Ben Carter, I really appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: this warning. Thanks so much for having a chat with this.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Cattie great as always, thank you