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Speaker 1: Put on your dance and shoes, don't give me your

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Speaker 2: And.

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Speaker 3: Posted the Mum and mea podcast canceled. It's great to

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Speaker 3: see a smiling little face back in the studio class Stevens.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, And I know the thing that's peached

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Speaker 1: your interest this week is Chris Rock's. It was Will

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Speaker 1: Smith's apology to Chris Rock and a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: other people too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think this is fascinating. So Will Smith posted

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Speaker 2: to his social media over the weekend apologizing for the

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Speaker 2: infamous slab, which was the.

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Speaker 1: First time we've spoken about it, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he posted kind of text on his social media

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Speaker 2: a couple of days afterwards. But he has been silent

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Speaker 2: for months and months. He's sort of gone underground, and

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Speaker 2: now he's come out with this apology. And the idea

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Speaker 2: was that he said, it's been a few months. I've

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Speaker 2: been doing a lot of thinking and I mean answer

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Speaker 2: a few questions that people have had about it. And

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Speaker 2: I think that was a great format. But this is

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Speaker 2: what it sounds did like when he apologized to Chris.

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Speaker 4: Chris, I apologize to you. My behavior was unacceptable and

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Speaker 4: I'm here whenever you're ready.

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Speaker 1: To talk because he said that Chris hasn't accepted his call.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to see him, but Chris had kind of

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Speaker 1: blocked him.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and basically that Chris wasn't ready to speak, but

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Speaker 2: he'd reach out when he was, which I think was very,

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Speaker 2: very fascinating for him to acknowledge it anyway, like apologize publicly,

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Speaker 2: and he also apologizes to Chris's mother.

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Speaker 4: I want to apologize to Chris's mother. You know, I

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Speaker 4: wasn't thinking, but how many people got hurt in that moment.

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Speaker 4: I want to apologize to Chris's family, specifically Tony Rock.

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Speaker 4: You know we had a great relationship.

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Speaker 1: Why was he apologizing to the family.

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Speaker 2: He apologized to Chris's mum because Chris's mum didn't interview

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Speaker 2: in the days afterwards, saying how much it hurt to

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Speaker 2: see her son attacked in that way. And Tony Rock

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Speaker 2: apparently they were very close Will Smith and Tony Rock,

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Speaker 2: and he said in that apology that that relationship is

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Speaker 2: probably irreparable, like irreparably damage now. And he just said,

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Speaker 2: there's no part of me that thinks that was the

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Speaker 2: right way to behave in that moment, No part of

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Speaker 2: me that thinks that's the optimal way to handle a

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Speaker 2: feeling of disrespect or insults. And he also acknowledged the

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Speaker 2: theory that it was when Jada rolled her eyes that

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Speaker 2: made him do it.

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Speaker 4: After Jada rolled her eyes, did she tell you to

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Speaker 4: do something? No, it's like, you know, I made a

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Speaker 4: choice on my own, from my own experiences, from my

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Speaker 4: history with Chris. Jada had nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Berbe has he said why he did it?

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Speaker 2: No, And I think that that's a good way to

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Speaker 2: make an apology is not trying to justify it. He

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Speaker 2: didn't give an excuse. In his first one that he posted,

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Speaker 2: he kind of said, I basically I'd had enough of

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Speaker 2: seeing people make fun of Jada and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: But he doesn't say that here, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: the best way to apologize. True, is not trying to

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Speaker 2: justify or explain why you did it, just saying unequivocally

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Speaker 2: it was the wrong thing to do. And the other

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Speaker 2: thing he apologized for is tarnishing the moment for the

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Speaker 2: person it was Questlove's Award, and he acknowledges that as well.

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Speaker 4: It's like I won because you voted for me, and

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Speaker 4: it really breaks my heart to have stolen and tarness

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Speaker 4: tarnished your moment. I can still see quest Love eyes.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: It happened on Questlove's award, and it's like, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: Really is it sufficient?

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Speaker 3: And you know, really, what do we want from you

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Speaker 3: can't defend the indefensible?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean what do we want from it? That's what's

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Speaker 1: interesting because I think if you're angry at him, you'll

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Speaker 1: how we feel anymore. He's done his bit, and whether

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Speaker 1: we like it or not, it's up to us as

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Speaker 1: to how we feel about him now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And he had this great line where he said,

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Speaker 2: I'm deeply remorseful, and I'm trying to be remorseful without

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Speaker 2: and basically I'm trying not to think of myself as

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Speaker 2: wholly a bad person. And I thought that was absolutely fascinating,

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Speaker 2: because when you do something wrong on the public stage,

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Speaker 2: that shaming is so so so big, and the things

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Speaker 2: people say I cannot imagine trying to it sounds like

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Speaker 2: he's done a whole lot.

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Speaker 1: Of therapy because shame, though is a horrible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think it's helpful. I don't think

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Speaker 2: it helps you kind of become a better person.

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Speaker 1: No, there's no journey through shame. You sit in shame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just I'm fascinated. I think it is

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Speaker 2: a great apology.

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Speaker 1: How has it been received so initially?

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Speaker 2: The comments are pretty good on his social media. Basically,

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Speaker 2: you're right. The people who are angry are still going

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Speaker 2: to be angry. The people who were willing to forgive.

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Speaker 2: A lot of them said he didn't need to make

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Speaker 2: the apology in the first place. I think he did. Interestingly,

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Speaker 2: some people are annoyed that it took him so long

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Speaker 2: to apologize. I think that adds credibility to it. Means

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Speaker 2: he's thought about it. Other people thought in the background,

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Speaker 2: I didn't notice this, But there's a drink bottle that's

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Speaker 2: his son, Jaden's water company, right, And people are like,

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Speaker 2: did he use this as an opportunity to sell water?

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Speaker 2: But I'm like, when everyone's got companies in your family,

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Speaker 2: it's hard to hide them all. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: how many people walked away from that being like, hmm,

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Speaker 2: I'm really craving Jaden Smith's water ahead for.

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Speaker 3: Some of that water. Well, I think I think it's

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Speaker 3: a good apology. I think it's a great apology. He

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Speaker 3: didn't apologize for the movie Gemini, which was dreadful. Could

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Speaker 3: have done that while he was at it.

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Speaker 4: But nonetheless, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I think there's some other big things for meat will

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Speaker 2: make up for that. Exactly.

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Speaker 3: Well, Claire, you have been great.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us yet again.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, hey to momamia dot com. Done you for

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Speaker 3: more of Claire. I am Jesse as well. Come, Jesse's

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Speaker 3: always going, You're always banging on back Claire, What about me?

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 4: When's my time for shy