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Speaker 2: This is Clezy and Lisa's podcast.

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Speaker 3: Coming up on the podcast, we continue our journey back

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Speaker 3: to nineteen eighty four. It's been forty years since he

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Speaker 3: was captain the Australian cricket team.

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Speaker 4: Kim Hughes.

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Speaker 5: As the Beautiful Story of the Tattooist of Auschwitz comes

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Speaker 5: to stand in its TV series form, today we caught

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Speaker 5: up with the author, Heather Morris.

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Speaker 3: We took calls on what traumatized you as a kid

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Speaker 3: and why were heart jealous of Fleetwood Mac.

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Speaker 5: There has been an incident at a zoo in Seattle.

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Speaker 5: A tourist camera has caught the awful moment that Juniper

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Speaker 5: the brown bear scarfed down a line of ducklings in

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Speaker 5: front of screaming children.

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Speaker 2: It was like a sushi train.

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Speaker 4: It was a ducky train.

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Speaker 2: Who was a sushi Trai.

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Speaker 5: The two year old bear who'd been at the zoo

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Speaker 5: since being found as an orphan in Anchorage, Glasgo where

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Speaker 5: the mum had been hit by a car and she

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Speaker 5: was wandering around. Now she's a great, big brown bear

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Speaker 5: named Juniper devoured the ducks while several children were crying

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Speaker 5: and smacking on the glass wall to distract her. At

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Speaker 5: the woods the Woodland Park Zoo. The video begins with

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Speaker 5: Juniper patiently watching the mother duck in her five baby

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Speaker 4: It is her pod.

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Speaker 5: She then plunged into the pond, going straight for the ducks,

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Speaker 5: grabbing them, plucking them out one by one and eating

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Speaker 2: She paid no attention to the bystanders behind the glass.

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Speaker 4: Thumping, trying to distract, dumping the walls.

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Speaker 5: Screaming and shouting, croak, running in terror.

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Speaker 2: It was pandemonium.

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Speaker 3: Yeah good, someone's giving me the audio, but I don't

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Speaker 3: want to play. That's even more disturbing. We need to

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Speaker 3: go to therapy. We hear that children basically scream screaming glass.

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Speaker 3: Some of them were, you know, quite calm.

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Speaker 5: One little girl was just shouting out, that's not nice.

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Speaker 4: His head, that's not nice.

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Speaker 2: That's not nice.

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Speaker 5: Some parents said, look, you know, be assured, this is

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Speaker 5: kids seeing wildlife doing their wildlife thing.

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Speaker 4: Okay, they look some word traumatized at born hunters. I

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Speaker 4: guess you know it is. Did anyone yell, I'd like

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Speaker 5: No, no they did not. But we want to open

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Speaker 5: up the phone and ask you the question what traumatized

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Speaker 5: you as a kid. I was traumatized by my dad's

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Speaker 5: how do I put it? We used to go down

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Speaker 5: to see Ester Park down and a fantastic holidays down there.

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Speaker 2: Would go down there every Easter and the it.

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Speaker 5: Was the seventies, and Dad had a you know, a

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Speaker 2: Thing, and they used to shoot a few bunnies.

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Speaker 5: Why old, you know, vermin vermon, big numbers, vermin rabbits

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Speaker 3: The shower, really just hanging there, bleeding out.

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Speaker 4: Hang terrific.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I ever forgave Dad. Mom took his

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Speaker 5: gun away after they saw the deer hunter. He was

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Speaker 4: But I was traumatized afterwards.

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Speaker 2: They took the deer hunter, not her child being traumatized.

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Speaker 4: Cry for a month.

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Speaker 2: Nero.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, that's another story. So that's what traumatized me.

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Speaker 3: I went to a game of footy at perth Over once,

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Speaker 3: bloody archie Dude, I could dolls against xpurerschie.

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Speaker 4: It was traumatized. Can I speak. I'll go one for it.

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Speaker 2: Actually, dude, he's our man.

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Speaker 4: I got one for you. This is quite disturbing.

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Speaker 3: But one of the members of this story is deceased

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Speaker 3: and the other one lives in Queensland, so I can.

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Speaker 4: Talk about it. Okay, my folks broke with. My folks

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Speaker 3: I think they used to have a couple of catchy,

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Speaker 4: The break really doesn't always have to think about this, right,

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Speaker 4: Young Dean sitting in the car with his dad and

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Speaker 4: he said, he says these words, I might be traumatized

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Speaker 4: after this. God, some of their best love making experiences

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Speaker 5: How much information always going to be too much of a.

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Speaker 3: Twelve year old Dean was thinking, And after that, can

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Speaker 5: Because my aunt water smack bang an upside down bunny.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Easter.

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Speaker 4: No less, No, really that was terrible.

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Speaker 2: That was the weird part about it. How can you

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Speaker 2: shoot a rabbit at easter?

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Speaker 4: Oh that's horrible.

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Speaker 5: Run rabbit running, Wendy in Fremantle, Good morning.

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Speaker 6: Good morning.

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Speaker 4: How are you.

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Speaker 5: Tell us thoughts or very therapeutic? Tell us what traumatized

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Speaker 5: you as a kid?

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Speaker 6: All right, okay, So we used to live in rural Victoria,

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Speaker 6: in a place called Sylvan and we ended up we

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Speaker 2: The little scratching, scratching, scratching up the enapple.

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Speaker 6: My father, I remember my dad, he came in and

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Speaker 6: he actually killed the rat with a broom room in

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Speaker 6: my mind always remain Yeah. Yeah, I could tell you

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Speaker 6: other stories as well.

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Speaker 5: I can just imagine the sound of, you know, the

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Speaker 5: little rat nail clause not trying to scurry up the

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Speaker 5: enamel of the bath tub. It would be something that

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Speaker 6: Yeah. And then later on in life, my daughters attended

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Speaker 6: Holly Roseary Derby, and the nun in her wisdom, she

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Speaker 6: after them and clean out the cage and all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that would have been hard. I might not.

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Speaker 3: Just meagine the sound dad's killing said, room, that's going

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Speaker 3: to be brutal.

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Speaker 2: That is brutal.

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Speaker 7: Hell.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Next Wendy Jason.

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Speaker 2: In Rockingham, what traumatized you as a kid?

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Speaker 8: It was actually my daughter.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: We took her over to Garden Island.

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Speaker 4: Sorry Island, Oh yes, yeah.

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Speaker 10: We were in the enclosure there where they feed the penguins,

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Speaker 10: and you know, it's a great spot there. But she

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Speaker 11: For a walk.

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Speaker 10: We're going across the boardwalk and there was a lot

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Speaker 10: of seagulls nesting over there at the time. We came

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Speaker 10: across a little egg that was just starting a hatch.

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Speaker 10: Both sat there and we watched this little seagull break

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Speaker 10: spread its wings, these great, big leaguals came along.

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Speaker 11: And made it.

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Speaker 4: Tell just gulp with gon sky.

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Speaker 10: Lessening birth, life and death all in one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's right. Yeah, that's a lot to unpacked. Love

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Speaker 4: to explain.

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Speaker 5: It's not funny time. Yeah, the old circle life pray

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Speaker 5: did they even get a chance?

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Speaker 4: It's a very quick circle.

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Speaker 2: It was very abrupted.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for sharing, but settled it down.

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Speaker 1: Turn you Yeah, thank you and king to surprise.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't seem to work ever, doesn't. Just a bit

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Speaker 4: close to home exactly, Thanks for sharing.

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Speaker 2: Jason Richard in Midland. What t auvertized you as a kid?

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Speaker 11: So this isn't me, This is my sister.

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Speaker 8: He watched.

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Speaker 11: She watched ET as a kid. Mis God has how

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Speaker 11: did you? And we moved into a new house at

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Speaker 11: the time, and as we're moving around, my sister's gone

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Speaker 11: into the walking closet and the previous owners have left

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Speaker 12: The top shelf.

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Speaker 11: Okay, she saw her, and you've never heard a loud

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Speaker 11: of blood curdling scream from the other end of the house.

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Speaker 9: Ran out of their scream.

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Speaker 11: I won't watch it, and we're trying to tempt them

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Speaker 11: to watch you too.

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Speaker 4: We might bring it all back for us exactly. Thank you, Richard,

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Speaker 4: and you're Richard bye.

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Speaker 3: I do remember my brother was quite small and my

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Speaker 3: man took us to go and see American werewolf in London.

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Speaker 3: That was maybe, yeah, but my brother freaked got pretty

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure once again it was my brother that

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Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, so you were celebrating My dad was

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Speaker 3: My brother was Scott.

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Speaker 4: That's going. Wasn't that bad?

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Speaker 7: It wasn't.

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Speaker 3: I was a little bit older, but yeah, it wasn't good.

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Speaker 3: But you know scart as a child.

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Speaker 2: Donna in Bede, Hello.

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Speaker 13: Good morning, guys.

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Speaker 2: How are you well.

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Speaker 13: I'm sure a number of people growing up on a

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Speaker 13: farm maybe had to relate to this. That it's coming

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Speaker 13: home from the school bus and seeing a heap of

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Speaker 13: chicken feathers running around headless because your grandmother has cut

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Speaker 13: their heads off, and so there is just chickens everywhere

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Speaker 13: and blood. And then a day or two later she

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Speaker 13: serves up apricot chicken. Apric My sister and I we're

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Speaker 13: in our forties and we cannot eat.

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Speaker 4: It really affected you that, yeah, And.

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Speaker 13: I think it was because how she cooked it, but

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Speaker 13: because she didn't pluck the feathers properly.

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Speaker 2: And also I think it's because you knew it.

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Speaker 5: So, I mean, I don't I don't personally know any

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Speaker 5: of the the chickens in my Apricot chicken, but don't know.

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Speaker 5: We all hear those stories about I've never I didn't

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Speaker 5: grow up on a farm, so I never I've never

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Speaker 5: seen it, But we've all heard the stories about chickens

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Speaker 5: still running when they're heads.

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Speaker 2: How long do they keep going for?

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Speaker 13: It's literal Well, I mean, I guess I didn't have

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Speaker 13: last for quite a long time. I guess that's like, yeah,

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Speaker 13: it's like any animal. I mean, things were only one

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Speaker 13: one of the many animals. I mean we grew up obviously,

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Speaker 4: That way friendly with the pig or something, and then

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Speaker 13: We were on too much of a bigger farm. We

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, so, but so I don't think there was

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Speaker 7: the attachment of the actual animal, But it was more

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Speaker 7: wasn't plucked.

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Speaker 4: Properly and just yeah, there recipe, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Hello Lisa and Mandra.

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Speaker 6: Good morning guys.

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Speaker 13: How are you going good?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, absolutely beautiful, beautiful but not what I wanted to see, you.

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Speaker 15: People are scared to go fish, go swimming in the beach.

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Speaker 1: In it's pretty cools.

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Speaker 9: More more Lisa, more podcasts soon.

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Speaker 5: from nine o'clock. But the most important person apart from

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Speaker 5: Lally who the story is about, is the lady who

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Speaker 5: wrote this book. Heather Morris is joining us now. Good morning.

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Speaker 9: Good morning everybody, and thank you. Look as so lovely

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Speaker 5: And firstly, may I say on behalf of the twelve

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Speaker 5: It is so beautiful. But for those who haven't read it,

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Speaker 9: Absolutely. Luly sokomosoff playboy, love him and Leave Him from

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Speaker 4: Powerful. To this day, we can hear the emotion in

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Speaker 5: I feel it would have been a bit of a

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Speaker 9: Where every cometry gets to choose their book cover, they

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Speaker 9: I don't look like you seem to me for quote

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Speaker 9: approval in advance that my London publishers to say to me,

450
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Speaker 9: approve it here, they'll approve it. They know what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: Okay. Then the marketing for their own, their own area.

452
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Speaker 3: That's bizarre, isn't it. I hear that when I was

453
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Speaker 3: a kid, I was reading Archie and Mad comics. Is

454
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Speaker 3: it true you were devouring the Encyclopedia Britannica.

455
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Speaker 9: They're right?

456
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Speaker 4: Is that what you were reading? Is that what you're into?

457
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Speaker 9: Yeah? I wanted to escape from my small town New

458
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Speaker 9: Zealand and go into these foreign, exotic places. Well, I

459
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Speaker 9: was so bored with my life at home.

460
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Speaker 5: Served you well, now I must ask Silk as story

461
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Speaker 5: and three Sisters equally beautiful, And I don't do you

462
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Speaker 5: do you call it a trilogy? I know they're clearly entwined,

463
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Speaker 5: but I guess you kind of could. I don't know

464
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Speaker 5: if I like the words. They're such standalone books of

465
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Speaker 5: their own, but they are entwined, are there? Do you

466
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Speaker 5: think there will be plans for those next to get

467
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Speaker 5: the Teley treatment?

468
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Speaker 9: Yeah? The whole trilogy thing. Really, you've got to know

469
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Speaker 9: you're going to write it truly before you're writing. I

470
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Speaker 9: only got a one book deal, so only you be

471
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Speaker 9: writing any other books very late. Yeah, of course, and

472
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Speaker 9: Silker's story canad Art because Lali made me promise i'd

473
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Speaker 9: like it. I did what I could because only had

474
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Speaker 9: one book deal, by peppering her throughout her and so

475
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Speaker 9: what I hoped would happened did happen. As readers around

476
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Speaker 9: the world writing the publishers and they saying, what happened

477
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Speaker 9: to Silka?

478
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Speaker 5: I want to learn more about Silk demanded, Well, that's

479
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Speaker 5: exactly when I got to give another book deal.

480
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Speaker 2: So I imagine how happy I was to say that

481
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Speaker 2: there was her story.

482
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and three sisters came to me because one of

483
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Speaker 9: the sons that one of the sisters was, took the

484
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Speaker 9: book from Canada, which did have the same cover as

485
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Speaker 9: we did. Yeah, and through television lifted on his mum's

486
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Speaker 9: copy table while he was reading it, and she walked past,

487
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Speaker 9: looks at it and oh, that must be about Lali

488
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Speaker 9: and Giza. Yeah, she said, how would you know that?

489
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 9: And he said, well, look at the number on the

490
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Speaker 9: girl's arm. Now look at the number on my.

491
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Speaker 4: This three wid what a story?

492
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Speaker 9: You know?

493
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Speaker 2: What is my favorite.

494
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Speaker 9: The youngest of the sisters, Little she used to the knife.

495
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Speaker 9: She's ninety eight, She's old, struggling in Tel Aviv, like

496
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Speaker 9: everybody in that part of the world. And I know

497
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Speaker 9: that Silks technically is a mixed story, but I would

498
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Speaker 9: love that story, her story to be picked up while

499
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Speaker 9: she's still alive. She yes, just offered so much.

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Speaker 5: To it well fingers crossed, and I have no doubt

501
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Speaker 5: it probably will be a discussion after the tattoo Styleschwitz

502
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Speaker 5: comes out today. Thirteen million copies. I beg Your Pardoner,

503
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Speaker 5: I be sold, I bet sold worldwide. I dare say

504
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Speaker 5: maybe a few Minutes will be sold by the end

505
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Speaker 5: of this weekend.

506
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Speaker 9: Heather, once again, can I tell you it hasn't been

507
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Speaker 9: made public yet but on Sunday in London Sunday Times

508
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Speaker 9: Best Sollo List it will come out as being number

509
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Speaker 9: three in the Best Sollo list in the UK after

510
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Speaker 9: six years.

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Speaker 5: Congratulation. It is a beautiful story, a story that I'm

512
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Speaker 5: so glad you know has been told, and it's been

513
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Speaker 5: an absolute pleasure to talk to you.

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Speaker 8: Thank you very much all.

515
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Speaker 4: The Sure report on ninety six a.

516
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Speaker 5: Fam have you seen that documentary on Binge called quite

517
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Speaker 5: on set about the goings on behind the scenes on

518
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 5: kids TV shows on Nickelodeon No Dark Side of TV.

519
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Speaker 5: Pretty harrowing and if you if you have seen it,

520
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 5: you'll be familiar with Dan Schneider at the center of

521
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 5: a lot of misconduct allegations. Well, he's heating back now.

522
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Speaker 5: He has just filed a defamation lawsuit against the documentary's producers.

523
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Speaker 5: He says his reputation has been destroyed. On a recent

524
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Speaker 5: podcast called Broken Called, Nancy Wilson from Heart has admitted

525
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 5: to how jealous Heart was of Fleetwood Mac during the

526
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Speaker 5: band's early days.

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Speaker 16: They were kind of happening right before us, as Hart

528
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Speaker 16: Is just starting to tiptoe into the scene, and they

529
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Speaker 16: already had rumors out there, and we were just trying

530
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Speaker 16: so hard to make an album and get out there

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Speaker 16: and get a tour.

532
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Speaker 8: Or whatever, and they were all over the radio.

533
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Speaker 4: You know, I felt so.

534
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Speaker 2: Jealous of that band because there were two women in it.

535
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Speaker 16: It sounded so good together, and they had the acoustic

536
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Speaker 16: guitar thing that I felt like I was bringing.

537
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Speaker 2: A lot of into our band.

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Speaker 16: They kind of had it already, you know, like something

539
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Speaker 16: we were trying to capture. They had already captured it.

540
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Speaker 16: So I was really like, what makes us so different.

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Speaker 2: Now, you know? And she would have been dealing.

542
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Speaker 5: She would have been dealing with a time that I

543
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Speaker 5: hate to say existed, where they would have been less

544
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Speaker 5: room for two bands with two great women out front.

545
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 5: Good podcast that one broken record is a hell of

546
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Speaker 5: a guitarist. Sammy Haga got a star on the Hollywood

547
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Speaker 5: Walk of Fame. Yes Today's star number two thousand, seven

548
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Speaker 5: hundred and seventy nine with.

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Speaker 4: The Walker Fame.

550
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Speaker 17: In the sixties, we didn't have anything, maybe enough gas

551
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Speaker 17: money to make it to the beach and four kids

552
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Speaker 17: raised by a single mom, and she would want to

553
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Speaker 17: come down here and see the movie stars.

554
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Speaker 4: She was really in love with.

555
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Speaker 17: The movie industry and Clark Gable and those guys. And

556
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Speaker 17: I remember seeing this thing and to think, I mean,

557
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Speaker 17: it was just way beyond even a dream. You know,

558
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Speaker 17: you have dreams and then you have the dream that

559
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Speaker 17: you didn't dream. This is one of those dreams that

560
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Speaker 17: come true that I didn't dream.

561
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Speaker 5: And wow, good on your Sammy. Apparently Hager's good mates

562
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Speaker 5: with John Mayer. Mayo was with him at the ceremony,

563
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Speaker 5: and one more thing our boy from Dianella. Troy Savon,

564
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Speaker 5: his song Rush has won Song of the Year at

565
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Speaker 5: the OPRA Music Awards. Pia voted gong is one of

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Speaker 5: the most revered of the awards in the awards calendar.

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Speaker 4: Really good on you, Troy.

568
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Speaker 3: I told Joe stories fights everywhere in Singapore, all of

569
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Speaker 3: those pride shops and things in the fancy beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he takes a beautiful photograph.

571
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Speaker 4: The ambassador of one of the national Yes, very cool

572
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: to see. More crazy, more Lisa, more podcasts. We thought

573
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Speaker 4: we'd keep the sports trend going today, Lise. And he

574
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Speaker 4: is a name for it.

575
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Speaker 3: Seventy Test matches, nine centuries, twenty two fifties. This man

576
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Speaker 3: made in his cricket career twelve seven hundred and eleven

577
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Speaker 3: first class runs and he was a proud West Dozy

578
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Speaker 3: and of course captain of the Australian cricket team. Kim Hughes,

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Speaker 3: good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 8: Please, good morning, Lisa. Look I just had a hilarious

581
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Speaker 8: laugh with Susie, your producer. Yeah, yep, and she was

582
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Speaker 8: saying in twenty fifteen, I came to the club less Murdy,

583
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Speaker 8: who had been bottom of the run for that many

584
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Speaker 8: years and they asked me what was a bit of advice,

585
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 8: and I said, well before before the finals and they

586
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Speaker 8: just get on the squirt on the piss. Yeah yeah,

587
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Speaker 8: and they've won eight of the last nine premisships.

588
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: Well that's the way we did it in the eighties.

589
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: Cricket wasn't sponsored by Benson and Hedges for nothing.

590
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Speaker 4: That's what I got the answer.

591
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Speaker 2: It was a different time, something the same.

592
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Speaker 8: Yes, and I've been there. Actually tomorrow is going to

593
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Speaker 8: be one hundred and seventy nine weeks off the grogs.

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Speaker 4: I've never done so yes.

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Speaker 2: So yes, that's a while, one hundred and seventy nine.

596
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Speaker 2: It's good on you, mate.

597
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Speaker 4: I just got to work on the last thirty boys.

598
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Speaker 8: Now I stopped winning premisship. The bar sales have gone

599
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 8: through the room, but unbelievable with one of the worst

600
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Speaker 8: bits of advice of all time. I listened to your

601
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Speaker 8: interview with John Todds and yesterday I was ninety six

602
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Speaker 8: point one Yes every morning because I wake up at

603
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Speaker 8: three thirty, four o'clock, four thirty and then I can't

604
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Speaker 8: wait for you guys to get on five thirty. So

605
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Speaker 8: it's great to be on your show.

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Speaker 2: That's great to have you. Who did you have? Who

607
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: do you go for in the waffle?

608
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Speaker 8: Well, my father played for Subie in the under sort

609
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Speaker 8: of in the water years, and I've always been a

610
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 8: lifelong supporter ambassador for SUBI and my hero was Ostar

611
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 8: Robertson junior and I've always been, you know, a lifelong

612
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Speaker 8: supporter of Subiaco.

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Speaker 4: Kim, you played a bit, ye, yes, well I did.

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Speaker 8: I actually Ross Glyn Dinning's father angers was my coach

615
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Speaker 8: in the under eighteens and I won the best medal,

616
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Speaker 8: best player in the Clemont district, and I got a

617
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Speaker 8: thousand dollars scholarship from Dennis McNerney, and I bought I

618
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Speaker 8: bought a blue Hillman super Minx with pop.

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Speaker 4: Out in the car showing off.

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Speaker 8: The roles rights. But at least it was the four

621
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Speaker 8: wheels of I could get to gray Lands. That's gray

622
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Speaker 8: Lands teachers training. Lots of great memories.

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Speaker 2: Ye four was a great year for cars. I had

624
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Speaker 2: a Dat's in one twenty wife was She was fantastic.

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Speaker 8: But I know I know nothing about cars. One day

626
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Speaker 8: I rang up the Ira C because I had a

627
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Speaker 8: flat tire and I could't f I where the spear

628
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Speaker 8: was so he came that unscrewed impressed. Oh you idiot.

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Speaker 8: You ever kept in Austladia, I don't.

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Speaker 17: Know where they are?

631
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Speaker 3: And Captain Australia did, mate, But it wasn't always it

632
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: didn't always come up roses. But yes, your forty way

633
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Speaker 3: through those twenty eight tests and you may yes.

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Speaker 8: Look you know I remember I got to know Alan

635
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Speaker 8: Jeans very well through a great business partner and mateing

636
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Speaker 8: Ken Judge's no longer unfortunate with us, and Alan Jeans

637
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 8: had a great saying and he said, I don't expect

638
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 8: you to like me, but I do expect you to

639
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Speaker 8: respect the position I hold, right, And that were some

640
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 8: of the part they didn't do that. You know, it's

641
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 8: being Australian cricket captain is not a position where you

642
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 8: lobby as against politicians. You just appointed the captain and

643
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Speaker 8: off you go. So yeah, it wasn't as enjoyable time

644
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Speaker 8: as it could have been. But you know, I've seen

645
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 8: some people with chips on their shoulder growing to carry

646
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Speaker 8: trees and I wanted to sort of pull a sort

647
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Speaker 8: of a curtain across that. Otherwise it just eats away

648
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Speaker 8: at you. And I've often said to people that if

649
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Speaker 8: I had, you know, a party, and I was going

650
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 8: to invite six or seven mates, I'd invite Dennis Ley

651
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Speaker 8: and Rod Marsh. He's no longer with us. Unfortunate league,

652
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Speaker 8: because I really liked them. But they were some tough times.

653
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Speaker 8: We played the West Indies regularly. In my last I

654
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 8: know nine or ten Test matches were against them, but

655
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Speaker 8: still had some great memories.

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Speaker 4: Great, yeah, absolutely well.

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Speaker 5: I mean it was a very a very interesting time

658
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Speaker 5: in cricket. It was the late seventies Carry Packers World Series.

659
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 5: Cricket divided the Aussie team in two camps, those who

660
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Speaker 5: signed with Packer and those like you who remained with

661
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Speaker 5: the Australian Cricket Board.

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Speaker 2: Were there any regrets about.

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Speaker 8: Lisa. I was only twenty three going on fifteen and

664
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Speaker 8: my first death match. But I'm now seventy and still

665
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Speaker 8: going on fifteen. Naive, naive, But I made a good

666
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Speaker 8: looking one, you know, my own game to be oval.

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Speaker 8: And you know, I was sort of asked by one

668
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 8: or two blokes was I interested? And I've never played

669
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 8: sport because of money. And I think for those youngsters

670
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 8: out there, if you do, you're not going to cut

671
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 8: the mustard and I thought I could never go home

672
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 8: for my mum and dad and say, look, I'm going

673
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 8: to go there because the money's good. They said, well,

674
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 8: look we didn't bring you up like that. And I

675
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 8: also did think that with all the best players gone,

676
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 8: I was a fair chance to get a game, you know.

677
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 8: But it was traumatic times. But look, I'm glad they

678
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 8: happened because Australian cricket has got paid apps abolutely jack

679
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 8: a World Series cricket. They amount of money now that's

680
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 8: coming in which is just millions and millions, and some

681
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 8: people would think it's obscene, but it was a good

682
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 8: thing that happened. But particularly Australia was affected greatly because

683
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 8: so many of our really very very great players went

684
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 8: to World Series. And you don't need a team of

685
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 8: youngsters and you don't need a team of geriatrics. You

686
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 8: need a mixture up because when it gets difficult, that's

687
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 8: when we more experienced people step up and they say

688
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 8: getting behind me and off you go, and that's where

689
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 8: you learn.

690
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: It was some tough times, so important, isn't it In

691
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: any sport.

692
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 8: Well, in any sport, in any business, you need a

693
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 8: mixture of both because are enthusiastic and optimistic and then

694
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 8: you need you know, the older ones there just giving

695
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 8: them the whiz them. And I think that's part of learning,

696
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 8: listening and watching those that you'd like what you'd like

697
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 8: to do, who are doing it very very well.

698
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 6: Well.

699
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: Can you imagine the experience that January nineteen eighty four

700
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: was an interesting time because you had Rod Marsh and

701
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: Dennis Lilly and Greek Chapel all retire at the same time,

702
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: you know, the end of a Test match and that

703
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: it was a bizarz.

704
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a lot of experience and tell.

705
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 8: Them, well to go one go. Yeah, the same thing's

706
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 8: going to happen in a year or two when you've

707
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 8: got you know, the average age of the Australian cricket

708
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 8: side of the moment is be thirty one or thirty two.

709
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 8: So and what you don't need is four or five

710
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 8: of your blokes retiring at the same time and then

711
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 8: all of sudden you've got to bring in four or

712
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 8: five youngsters. You need a gradual if you're you know,

713
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 8: not culling, but the sort of one goes here and

714
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 8: then someone else comes in and another one goes rather

715
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 8: than all at the one time guys.

716
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, Now, you did famously lead the rebel team to

717
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 5: South Africa the height of the Part eight boycotts. This

718
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 5: was new, This was very controversial at the time. What

719
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 5: was that experience was that? Did you get more than

720
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 5: your bargain for?

721
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: Were you?

722
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 5: Were you surprised at just how controversial that whole situation became.

723
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 8: Well, I had resigned the captaincy. I just met my

724
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 8: great and late coach Frank Parry, the father of Jeff Parry,

725
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 8: who drives me crazy. With Jeff, it's not too other same,

726
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 8: you know. And I had said notice South Africa a

727
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 8: couple of times. Yeah, because I was only thirty one,

728
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 8: and I remember going up into my study when I

729
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 8: lived in City Beach and thought to myself, well, I'm

730
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 8: going to spend the winter going to Pilate's or aerobics

731
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 8: or doing something, you know, because I still felt that

732
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 8: I was still young enough. But then anyway, what happened

733
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 8: was there was a tour, so I'm going to go

734
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 8: to England under Alan border, and all of a sudden,

735
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 8: I think it was Kerry Packer, said Antony Grigg. Well,

736
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 8: who do we need out of the South African tourists

737
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 8: to come back and play for Australia. And I think

738
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 8: it was Graham Wood and two or three or four

739
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 8: others who were coming back. And we weren't going to

740
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 8: lose any of the money that they were going to

741
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 8: get by going to South Africa, which was five six, seven,

742
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 8: eight times more than what the players were going to

743
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 8: get to England. And I rang up Alan Border and

744
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 8: also Jeff Lawson. I said, well, you can't add these

745
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 8: blokes back in your side. They were going to go

746
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 8: somewhere else, you know, And they voted unanimously not to

747
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 8: have them back in the team. And guess what Cricket

748
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 8: Australia did, or Cricket Board, they said no, no, no,

749
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 8: we need them back. So I thought to myself, well,

750
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 8: if that's what you think of the baggy Green, that's

751
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 8: Cricket Aralia. You can stick it up your nostril. So

752
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 8: I then signed on. I was the second last player

753
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 8: to go to South Africa. I was captain and I'm

754
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 8: so pleased I did because you know, I'm a great

755
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 8: believer and have said this to so many people. There

756
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 8: are two things that stuck the world up. One is

757
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 8: politics and the other is religion. We're only going to

758
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 8: turn on the television these days. But there are two

759
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 8: things that do unite in the world, and one is

760
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 8: music and the other is sport, because you can watch

761
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 8: a Mardia commen eche on a six inch speam in

762
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 8: the old days and you're thinking, Wow, isn't that just unbelievable,

763
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 8: rather than thinking, oh, well, she's of this or that

764
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 8: or whatever it happens to be. So I'm a great believer.

765
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 8: We kept cricket going in South Africa and they've come

766
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 8: back into the fold. And I then captain Natal for

767
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 8: two or three years as well, and that's one of

768
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 8: the great experiences in my life. And I'm so pleased

769
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 8: that I did it.

770
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 3: Unreal mate, I remember watching you on the Talian Adelaide

771
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: making a double sentry. I think you ended up with

772
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: two thirteen there that's against India and it was a

773
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: double celebration. Did you get one hundred for each of

774
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: your kiddies that were the babies that were born back here.

775
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 8: And well made. It's unbelievable how women let you down.

776
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 8: What if my wife had had triplets, I'd still be

777
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 8: better now, Yes we did. We had two joys in

778
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 8: Simon and Sean. They're now forty three. Although the other

779
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 8: day I'm speaking to them and one of them said, Jerry,

780
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 8: what do you want? I said, how come you call

781
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 8: me Jerry? He said, you're Jerry Metric lovely. Oh, I've

782
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 8: got check book keep saying to them, I said, well,

783
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 8: I don't get scanned. What you use books are always smarter.

784
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 8: And then we had a little Bradley who I call Ginge.

785
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 8: He's got strawberry hair. I know you're not allowed to

786
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 8: say it that old. It's never changed. And the Ginge

787
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 8: calls me fossil on that old the gins and the

788
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 8: fossil and three boys under three and at times there

789
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 8: and you didn't appreciate how hard your wife partner worked

790
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 8: in those days because you couldn't afford a babysitter or

791
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 8: you know, someone to clean your house, or which I

792
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 8: can afford to buy buy a new house every year

793
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 8: sort of thing. And I thought, well, these three just

794
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 8: they were busy boys. I thought, geez, I've got to

795
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 8: get out of here. Even touring pakistanis looking for the excitedly.

796
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: Point on the globe. Let me spin it.

797
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 5: Kid, hasn't you been with your your lovely wife since

798
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 5: you were fourteen years old?

799
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: The pair of you, haven't you. Yes, that's a beautiful story.

800
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 8: Engine well you know it was love at first. I

801
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 8: can so I could take it back to the City

802
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 8: Beach Senior High School and know exactly where she was.

803
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 8: And my father used to say, she looks she's not

804
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 8: the only fish in the sea. And then look, I've

805
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 8: got a long story short. My drinking got to a

806
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 8: stage where Jenny had said she'd had enough, so she left.

807
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 8: And that was five or six years ago, I suppose.

808
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 8: And you know, yeah, I was drinking and going down

809
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 8: the wrong path. And then I remember a great mate,

810
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 8: Wayne Clark, and a fellow called Richard mand Mass. They said, look,

811
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 8: can we need to have a chat to you. Let's

812
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 8: it beat at a coffee shop in Leada Ball and

813
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 8: the ginger came along. He's a tradee certainly doesn't get

814
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 8: it from his father because I couldn't Boody put a

815
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 8: door knob on. But anyway, so anyway, I see the

816
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 8: gym's coming through and he's trading here, and I'm thinking

817
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 8: this is a couple of positions to eye for the ginger.

818
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 8: So I said, Ginger, who are you here to see you?

819
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 8: And he said, I'm here to see you, and I said, oh, okay,

820
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 8: so down well he said, Dad, he said, you go

821
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 8: five to mom in England club over the limit, you

822
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 8: drive home pissed, you get injure someone and kill someone.

823
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 8: In other words, you're a dickhead. And that's exactly what

824
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 8: he said, do something about it. And old still sometimes

825
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 8: you need that sort of a talk. And I went

826
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 8: into Abbotsford Rehab for a couple of weeks and look,

827
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 8: there were a lot of youngsters there, particularly young girls

828
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 8: who had drug challenges, and you had two or three

829
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 8: discussions every day and it's a bit fluffy, you know,

830
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 8: skirts around the issues. But the great thing that Richmond

831
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 8: Foundation of MH connect mental health. They got a guy

832
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 8: called Gary Anderson, a nurse who came out and just

833
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 8: sat down with me in my apartment in Seaview for

834
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 8: about a six month prudo over every two or three

835
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 8: weeks for an hour or two and really got into

836
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 8: the nitty gritty. And at the end of that we

837
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 8: both said, look, I'm right, I don't.

838
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 4: Need it, you know, and you know, none at the

839
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 4: expense of what you had.

840
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 8: No, that's right, And you know, and for the people

841
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 8: listening out there, if they want to lose weight or

842
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 8: change whatever. It's a bit like, you know, trying to

843
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 8: score one hundred that's four hours away, but someone might

844
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 8: want to lose ten kilos or whatever that could be

845
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 8: six months away. And I could remember, guys, I wanted

846
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 8: to give up the drink when I was early thirties,

847
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 8: and I said to the cricket mates, I'm going to

848
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 8: give the drink of oh Hughsy. You know, come on now, mate,

849
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 8: who you're kidding? Anyway, I did for a period of

850
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 8: time and then all of a sudden something happened. And

851
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 8: you know, whether it's financial issues or relationship issues, anyway,

852
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 8: something happened. I got back on it. I guess what

853
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 8: my mate said, We gotcha? Yeah, you know Australians love

854
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 8: you get a hit. Yeah. And that's what I've done,

855
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 8: is just to go week by week. And I am

856
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 8: very old fashioned. Yes, I've got an a four diary

857
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 8: down and this Friday write down one hundred and seventy

858
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 8: nine weeks. And there's a great saying that goes, you

859
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 8: cannot consistently perform in a manner that is inconsistent with

860
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 8: how you perceive yourself. And when I look at that

861
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 8: school board, I'm a winner and guess what behavior you bring?

862
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 8: So every week you know, it's just out of breach,

863
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 8: not out of sight. And I've been in a fantastic

864
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 8: relationship with a lovely lady called Beryl, you know, for

865
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 8: the last three and a half four years, nearly she's

866
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 8: only twenty one. No sorry sorry, she's younger than me.

867
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 8: But we laugh a lot and get along very very well.

868
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 8: But I do you know you look back and yeah,

869
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 8: there's things you think, but at least I did something

870
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 8: about Otherwise I would have ended up in the bloody

871
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 8: gutter and some people would have walked past and foot off.

872
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 8: Have a look at that loser.

873
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 4: He used to become huge.

874
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 5: Great to talk to you today as we continue our

875
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 5: celebration of eighty four, which turns forty this year.

876
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 8: Years.

877
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 4: You can't get it.

878
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: I'm a cricket tragic all my life and I'm fifty

879
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: fifty eight and have you say that you listen to

880
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: us in the morning, I feel very I feel very honor.

881
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 8: And the other thing is that I was born in

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Speaker 8: nineteen fifty four on Australia Day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's rights as they.

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Speaker 8: Why that is why I say we have Australia day.

885
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Speaker 8: If you don't like it, live somewhere, don't bother, don't

886
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Speaker 8: change my day.

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Speaker 4: Good to catch up with.

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Speaker 8: You, guys.

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Speaker 2: Read to flick with ben o'she Well, Good morning.

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Speaker 12: Ben, Good morning guys.

891
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Speaker 2: How are you good?

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Speaker 9: Well?

893
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Speaker 4: Very well? What you go for us today?

894
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Speaker 12: Well, I'm calling you from I'd like to say sunny Sidney,

895
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 12: but it's actually rainy, miserable.

896
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Speaker 2: Sydney, the mad Max. Yes, carry on right, yes.

897
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Speaker 12: Yes, the Furiosa premiere is happening tonight, so I'm here

898
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Speaker 12: to cover that. See everybody walk the red carpet and

899
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Speaker 12: and have a chat to to Chris Hemsworth himself, how

900
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 12: awesome for you?

901
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, pretty tough.

902
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 12: I'll bring you I'll bring you back all the details.

903
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 12: I don't worry about that.

904
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Speaker 2: Bring me back a clipping of his hair.

905
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Speaker 4: Creepy chat. Yeah, I just.

906
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Speaker 2: So, what do you got? What have you got for us?

907
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Speaker 2: Because I watched the trailer I thought this looked amazing.

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Speaker 9: It is.

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Speaker 12: It's the exact opposite end of the filmmaking spectrum to Furiosa,

910
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 12: which is a huge, big blockbuster and explosions and action.

911
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Speaker 12: This is a Japanese film. This is really based around

912
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Speaker 12: a parent teacher interview, which is which is something anybody

913
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Speaker 12: who's got kids will relate to how stressful these things

914
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Speaker 12: can be. And you know, you probably go in there

915
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Speaker 12: thinking that maybe your kid isn't that bad, maybe the

916
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Speaker 12: teacher or the school has taken something out of context,

917
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Speaker 12: or you know, maybe they're having a go at him,

918
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Speaker 12: or he's just misunderstood, and so this is essentially what's happened.

919
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Speaker 12: This single mom named Siori is dealing with her sort

920
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 12: of preteen boy, he's about twelve years old. He's having

921
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Speaker 12: some problems at school, comes home one day and there's

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Speaker 12: a mark on his face and he says his teacher

923
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Speaker 12: has hit him, which is obviously a very serious allegation.

924
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Speaker 12: So she makes an appointment to see this teacher, to

925
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Speaker 12: go to the school meet with the headmaster, and it

926
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 12: quickly becomes this kind of Kuska esque bureaucratic nightmare where

927
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Speaker 12: she's sitting in a room full of these educators trying

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Speaker 12: to get them to understand how upset she is, and

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Speaker 12: in a kind of classic Japanese fashion, they're sort of

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Speaker 12: bowing their heads talking about how they're very apologetic, but

931
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Speaker 12: in way seem to sympathize or really take the situation

932
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Speaker 12: as seriously as she does. Even the teacher accused of

933
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 12: this incident is kind of, you know, very nonchalant, and

934
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Speaker 12: it's super weird, and you're sort of watching it trying

935
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Speaker 12: to figure out what the heck is going on. And

936
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Speaker 12: then the teacher makes the allegation that it's actually the

937
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Speaker 12: son who is the bully and he's bullying this other kid,

938
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Speaker 12: and all of a sudden, the perspective shifts and you

939
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Speaker 12: get the same story again, except this time told from

940
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Speaker 12: the perspective of the teacher, and he has a totally

941
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Speaker 12: different view on what's going on. It does look like

942
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Speaker 12: this boy is a bully and he's bullying this smaller kid,

943
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Speaker 12: and maybe the mum is just completely flying off the

944
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Speaker 12: handle and is blinded by her maternal love. Just when

945
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Speaker 12: you think you've got it all figured out, the film

946
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Speaker 12: shifts again from a third perspective, this time from the

947
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Speaker 12: boy himself, and you get a completely different take on

948
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Speaker 12: what's transpired. And I won't give you any details about

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Speaker 12: that one. That is kind of the real crux of

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Speaker 12: the film that when you watch this third act, you

951
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 12: just go, oh, wow, the penny has dropped and you

952
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Speaker 12: really appreciate like how powerful this film is and it

953
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Speaker 12: comes from it comes from this director, Hirokazu Korra Aida,

954
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Speaker 12: famous Japanese director who won the Palm d'Or at Khan

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Speaker 12: for his film Shoplifters. He's won the Jury Prize at

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Speaker 12: Khan for another film this prize. Monster also won one

957
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Speaker 12: of the top prizes at Cahn. So he's an incredibly

958
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Speaker 12: acclaimed filmmaker in the art house scene. And you know,

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Speaker 12: like if you went and watched Parasite, a Korean film,

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Speaker 12: maybe he'd never watched a foreign language film before, and

961
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Speaker 12: you watch Parasite and you're like, oh wow, I'm going

962
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Speaker 12: to watch more movies like this.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Monster is a movie like that, Okay, And it's the

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Speaker 5: last movie, the Wonderful Roachie Sakamoto scored before he sadly

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Speaker 5: passed away a few years ago.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, Like they may just made a film about Sakamoto,

969
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Speaker 12: such a such a legend, a documentary.

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Speaker 11: Yeah yeah, yeah, they played it.

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Speaker 12: They played at per Festival this summer, because he is

972
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Speaker 12: an icon icon of film scores and composing, and yet

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Speaker 12: this was the last film that he did. He died

974
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Speaker 12: a couple of months after finishing it. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 12: it's very very special to kind of listen to the

976
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Speaker 12: score of this film as well. It'll keep you guessing.

977
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Speaker 12: There's a great twist at the end. My advice is

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Speaker 12: don't read anything about it, because if you go in

979
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Speaker 12: kind of as a clean skin and figure it all

980
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 12: out as you go, you get much more out of

981
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Speaker 12: the payoff at the end.

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Speaker 5: Would I say there are three sides to the truth? Yours,

983
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Speaker 5: there's and all three sides to every story yours and

984
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Speaker 5: the truth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so be it's not the only time you've mentioned

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Speaker 3: that in recent times, this film making style where you

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Speaker 3: see the different perspectives of the so supposedly the same

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Speaker 3: story exactly.

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Speaker 12: Just not to get all film school on you, but

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Speaker 12: they call it the russiam On effect because it's something

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Speaker 12: that was pioneered by the legend a Kira Kurosawa in

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Speaker 12: his film russiam On in nineteen fifty about a murder

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Speaker 12: and as told from the perspective of like full samurais

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Speaker 12: and then everybody has done it since then, from Tarantino

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Speaker 12: to you know, it's become a very common thing.

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Speaker 2: Since then, do you get on your film school.

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Speaker 4: School, So what what are we giving it?

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Speaker 12: I'm going to give this one four stars O.

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Speaker 2: High praise. Yeah, I look forward to it.

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Speaker 4: It looks really good, looks great.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ben, enjoying mister Hemsworth and I will clip

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Speaker 2: is clip is hair.

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Speaker 12: Lisa, expect you to bow me out of jail.

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Speaker 2: Okay yeah, thanks Crazy and Lisa