Speaker 1: Coming up.
Speaker 2: On today's show, Olivia Rodgers opens up about why she
Speaker 2: ended her marriage. Steph Clare Smith breaks down on her podcast,
Speaker 2: admitting she contributed to tanning culture, Chloe Zepp and Mitch
Speaker 2: Orble's string of attention seeking posts as ticket sales dwindled
Speaker 2: for their retreat, and doctors warn about the dangers of
Speaker 2: shoeies after Harry Styles tries the Aussie cult drinking tradition.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 2: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week.
Speaker 1: I'm Kate Torbert and it's nice to have you guys back.
Speaker 2: You have been on a business trip in Sydney. It
Speaker 2: was only for one night, but it felt a lot longer.
Speaker 2: I know. When we touched down last night, Sophie was like,
Speaker 2: can you believe we flew out yesterday morning? And it
Speaker 2: was unbelievable. Fit so much in so we were over
Speaker 2: for a big press conference and we were so busy,
Speaker 2: so we wouldn't even really have time to eat over there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was wrecked by the end of it. We rocked
Speaker 2: up to the airport looking like absolute slobs, because you know,
Speaker 2: when you've just been in business clothes all day, and
Speaker 2: we saw some of our colleagues at the airport. They're like,
Speaker 2: you guys tired. I feel like we looked absolutely correcked.
Speaker 2: And I am not a good traveler, As I mentioned,
Speaker 2: I'm a very nervous flyer. Poor Amy really took on
Speaker 2: the role as my parent because this is the first
Speaker 2: time that I've traveled in four years, and I had
Speaker 2: forgotten what to do. And also I feel like the
Speaker 2: airport has become more high tech. I love it because
Speaker 2: so if we're so clueless. She didn't even know where
Speaker 2: you collect your bags from. She started walking towards the
Speaker 2: Rex carousel, and I'm like, we flew quantous. Well, that
Speaker 2: hasn't changed, that's not something new. I lovesovie goes. I
Speaker 2: think I've forgotten. I don't think you ever knew you'd
Speaker 2: never flown by yourself. I'm not very savvy with traveling
Speaker 2: because I've either traveled in a group or with a
Speaker 2: partner before, and I sort of just follow what they're doing.
Speaker 1: And I think I was punished.
Speaker 2: Because after these two huge days, we finally get home,
Speaker 2: get to the area where you pick up your bags,
Speaker 2: and we wait and my bag claim baggage claim. Yes, see,
Speaker 2: I don't even I can't even think of the name
Speaker 2: of it. Anyway, and my bag sadly didn't make the flight.
Speaker 2: And Amy's theory is that I was trusted in doing
Speaker 2: one thing, putting the tags on the bag, and she
Speaker 2: thinks that they might have fallen off. I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she was, you know, when you peel off the thing.
Speaker 2: It was all very confusing for Sophie. I trusted her
Speaker 2: to do her own bag. On the way back. It
Speaker 2: was funny because we were actually having family dinner at
Speaker 2: Mum and Dad's house and we were all waiting for
Speaker 2: Amy and Sophie to arrive, and we got a message
Speaker 2: saying that Sophie's bag had been lost, and Dale goes, geez,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bet we're not gonna hear.
Speaker 1: Much about.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but my makeup, my hair strained, all of
Speaker 2: my nice clothes were in this bag, and I was your.
Speaker 1: Credit card, wasn't it? Yes? My credit Sorry, yes, that
Speaker 1: was probably more the.
Speaker 2: Credit card or debit card in their bag that they're
Speaker 2: checking in. I feel like we're touching on one of
Speaker 2: the low lights of the trip, but I think one
Speaker 2: of the highlights was getting to see one of our clients,
Speaker 2: Christa Villich. So she featured on Real Housewives of Sydney
Speaker 2: and it was just hilarious because she greeted us with
Speaker 2: her puppy, which is this beautiful chiava called Charlie, and
Speaker 2: she's like, girls, what can I get you?
Speaker 1: And it's just like.
Speaker 2: I've never gone into someone's house and the first thing
Speaker 2: they've offered is a champagne. It felt very Real Housewives
Speaker 2: of Sydney. Well, the next offering was beer, so her
Speaker 2: husband's like, an hour later, are you sure you don't
Speaker 2: want to beer? And Amy put up a few photos
Speaker 2: of their new kitten, which is called Ziggy and it's
Speaker 2: a Bengal cat and we were literally inundated with messages
Speaker 2: of people thinking that it was actually a leopard. It's
Speaker 2: funny you say that, because I was on TikTok after
Speaker 2: these messages had come through and there was a woman
Speaker 2: that actually lived with a African big cat, and I
Speaker 2: was like, that's weird. Thof, she definitely didn't have a leopard.
Speaker 3: It was not like this momentous thing that was going
Speaker 3: to suddenly like heal everything.
Speaker 2: Olivia Rodgers has broken her silence on why her marriage
Speaker 2: ended with Justin mckehan. The former Miss Universe Australia, spoke
Speaker 2: candidly on two of Australia's biggest podcasts, labeling the relationship
Speaker 2: toxic with big problems. Now, Sophie, before we get into it,
Speaker 2: I know we've spoken a lot about Olivia and Justin's breakup,
Speaker 2: but can you please give listeners a quick summary on
Speaker 2: what's been going on. Yeah, so, the couple had been
Speaker 2: married for just seven months when Olivia announced the split
Speaker 2: in October last year, and there was a lot of
Speaker 2: public interest in their wedding, with Olivia sharing a lot
Speaker 2: of content pre and post the wedding.
Speaker 1: So since the split, the.
Speaker 2: Couple's dog, Ziggy, has been in the middle of the conflict,
Speaker 2: so Justin took full custody of the dog, much to
Speaker 2: Olivia's upset. Until now, Olivia and Justin have kept quiet
Speaker 2: on what caused the breakup. Olivia has made a few
Speaker 2: cryptic comments on social media in the past, but it
Speaker 2: is still unclear what actually happened. As for Olivia's podcast interview,
Speaker 2: she first appeared on The Life Uncut podcast on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: and then on Thursday on Happy Hour with Lucy and
Speaker 2: Nicky Kate, were you surprised by Olivia's podcast of choice? Well,
Speaker 2: I always thought Olivia would discuss her divorce on a podcast.
Speaker 2: I think it was only a matter of time, and
Speaker 2: I think it's a really good platform for her because
Speaker 2: she is so articulate and likable, and back when the
Speaker 2: news first broke, we did predict she would do a
Speaker 2: tell all interview. However, I thought it would be on
Speaker 2: show Aless. She is friends with the Hostsara and Michelle,
Speaker 2: and it's also the target market that would be very
Speaker 2: interested in the story. Of course, though Shameless don't do
Speaker 2: their in conversation episodes anymore, so they would have had
Speaker 2: to do a bit of a special I alternatively thought
Speaker 2: that Tully smythe may resurrect her podcast too much Tully
Speaker 2: for the occasion, because they're also friends. I do think
Speaker 2: though maybe being interviewed on those two platforms would have
Speaker 2: come across as a little bit biased. Though yeah, I
Speaker 2: feel like it would have been a bit too close
Speaker 2: to home. I think it was a stroke of genius
Speaker 2: going on Life on Cut because it is arguably the
Speaker 2: biggest female podcast in Australia and it has such good
Speaker 2: reach and people love Britain Laura. I think in terms
Speaker 2: of shameless, they would have wanted to distance themselves from
Speaker 2: this topic. When the news broke of Olivia and Justin's divorce,
Speaker 2: they did a tiny topic on it, but reiterated that
Speaker 2: they were friends with Olivia. So it's difficult for them
Speaker 2: to comment, and I think because they have copped a
Speaker 2: lot of criticism about being friends with influencers, it's not
Speaker 2: something that they would have wanted to delve into, particularly
Speaker 2: because they don't have the interview forma anymore, so they
Speaker 2: wouldn't have wanted to.
Speaker 1: Bring out this special interview segment.
Speaker 2: I mean, of course, Olivia was always welcome to be
Speaker 2: on outspoke of the podcast. I was surprised though, when
Speaker 2: the second interview dropped on Happy Hour with Lucy and NICKI.
Speaker 2: I know it's not necessarily right, but I do feel
Speaker 2: like when someone like Olivia comes out and talks about
Speaker 2: these issues that she's had, everyone is all up and
Speaker 2: about and really supportive. But then as time goes on
Speaker 2: and that person talks more and more about it and
Speaker 2: becomes sort of overexposed, people then lash out and be like,
Speaker 2: shut up, stop talking about it. So I was concerned
Speaker 2: that this second interview might have been too much in
Speaker 2: a short space of time. I noticed last week that
Speaker 2: Life on Cut got the exclusive with Rebel Wilson right
Speaker 2: before she was on call her daddy, So I wondered,
Speaker 2: what was the timing of these interviews. Yeah, I was
Speaker 2: wondering how that scheduling went and if Life on Cut
Speaker 2: was given exclusively first and then Happy Hour or allowed
Speaker 2: to air at second. The timing was very interesting. I
Speaker 2: felt like she gave more details away on Life onun Cut. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think there was a lot more juicier information on that.
Speaker 2: I suppose because we were then hearing Happy Hour. Second,
Speaker 2: it felt like we'd heard a lot already from what
Speaker 2: Olivia said. I mean, there were still interesting points in
Speaker 2: both interviews. I felt Life on Cut we're pretty clever
Speaker 2: framing it around the issue of identity, not just like here,
Speaker 2: you know, we're all here for this blow by blow.
Speaker 1: Of the breakup.
Speaker 2: Look, we were all clearly there for the tea. But
Speaker 2: surrounding it around this identity was very clever because it
Speaker 2: made you feel almost less guilty for wanting to know.
Speaker 2: And I did like the fact that Britt and Laura
Speaker 2: sort of said, you know, oh, we were all sort
Speaker 2: of discussing what had happened, only because we were looking
Speaker 2: out for you, you know what I mean. Like, I
Speaker 2: loved how everyone behind the scenes was like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck has happened? I felt kind of bad for Britain, Laura,
Speaker 2: because I felt like they almost put their foot in
Speaker 2: a few times sort of discussing that. Like it was
Speaker 2: clear that they were all just as you said, talking
Speaker 2: about it, but then they're like, oh, fuck, oh that
Speaker 2: would make.
Speaker 1: Us look bad in front of Olivia.
Speaker 2: It was when Olivia mentioned that it had been a
Speaker 2: year or she marked a year since her.
Speaker 1: Wedding, and then Britt was.
Speaker 2: Like, oh do we say congrats that, Miles? And I'm
Speaker 2: not sure you could tell after she said that she
Speaker 2: instantly regretted it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into the juicy parts of the interview.
Speaker 2: And for me, I found the discussion around Olivia and
Speaker 2: Justin's wedding so fascinating. So I was one of those
Speaker 2: people that was very invested in their wedding as I
Speaker 2: was planning for my own. And to be honest, even
Speaker 2: if I wasn't, I would have been invested in this wedding.
Speaker 2: And I remember being so excited to see photos and
Speaker 2: was blown away how amazing it all looked. It literally
Speaker 2: looked like the perfect wedding Pinterest.
Speaker 5: Boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys didn't shut up about it.
Speaker 2: I remember you were like just checking you get refreshing Instagram,
Speaker 2: and then people were all in the groups.
Speaker 1: Trying to find out what was happening.
Speaker 2: I think it was also because they seemed like the
Speaker 2: perfect couple. I would always look in at their life
Speaker 2: and they were always going to exciting events, they were
Speaker 2: renovating their house together, and this wedding just cemented that.
Speaker 2: It looked like the perfect fairy tale. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: think that's why it was so shocking, even though we
Speaker 2: know that they've broken up now and that perfect life
Speaker 2: mustn't have been true, But it was still really hard
Speaker 2: to hear that. Olivia said that they weren't in a
Speaker 2: good place when they got married, and it was really
Speaker 2: challenging for her to actually write her wedding vows. And
Speaker 2: it shows you you really just can't trust what you
Speaker 2: see on Instagram. You don't know what's going on behind
Speaker 2: closed doors. It sounded like Olivia also got caught up
Speaker 2: in all of the hype around her own wedding. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well that was another part I found really interesting because
Speaker 2: Olivia was talking about how she had doubts leading into
Speaker 2: the wedding and also around the actual proposal, but she
Speaker 2: felt this intense pressure to go through with the wedding.
Speaker 2: Let's go to what she said.
Speaker 3: I felt like that was also a massive call to
Speaker 3: make so I kind of just forced all those feelings
Speaker 3: down and just was like, Okay, no, I'm doing this.
Speaker 3: I've made my mind up and I'm going to stick
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 2: Well, you guys say that she got caught up in
Speaker 2: the hype, but I think it was also a distraction.
Speaker 2: She did mention that she did focus on the wedding
Speaker 2: because it was something positive and she thought that maybe
Speaker 2: it was a bit of a band aid, maybe things
Speaker 2: would be different once they got married. I thought it
Speaker 2: was sad because she insinuated that justin proposing and also
Speaker 2: the wedding was sort of a signal that he was
Speaker 2: choosing her. Yeah. I found that sort of rhetoric really
Speaker 2: interesting because I found it quite obvious that Olivia must
Speaker 2: have told Britain Laura the full story, and there were
Speaker 2: little bits of information that they would drop which kind
Speaker 2: of pointed to potentially infidelity or this big moment that
Speaker 2: happened where Olivia couldn't take any more on board. So
Speaker 2: I feel like while they didn't say what has happened,
Speaker 2: it does have a few light bulb moments for me, thinking, well,
Speaker 2: it was definitely implied well, even when she recalled the
Speaker 2: story of ringing her dad up and asking him should
Speaker 2: I stick it out for a year so that it
Speaker 2: doesn't look as bad and he said back to her, no,
Speaker 2: I think if you end it now, people will realize
Speaker 2: that something has gone on for this to have to
Speaker 2: finish so quickly. Yeah. And I think it was a
Speaker 2: shock to hear how miserable she was and was at
Speaker 2: the time still doing fertility treatments up until the day
Speaker 2: they broke up. It must have been something very ears
Speaker 2: for her to go, hang on, I've got a counsel disappointment.
Speaker 2: That was the most heartbreaking part of this interview because
Speaker 2: it's so clear how eager Olivia was to be a mum.
Speaker 2: And I think that she also saw it as a
Speaker 2: solution to their relationship because it would be a different dynamic,
Speaker 2: it would add stability to their relationship. But it's so
Speaker 2: lucky that she didn't go down that path and was
Speaker 2: brave enough to end the relationship when she did. Now
Speaker 2: I also enjoyed hearing about the Olivia edit of her
Speaker 2: wedding video, so we heard a bit about how that
Speaker 2: actually eventuated. So Olivia explained that when the news of
Speaker 2: her breakup emerged, the wedding videographers stopped editing the video,
Speaker 2: and a month later they asked Olivia if she still
Speaker 2: wanted them to complete it, and she said, well, she
Speaker 2: kind of wanted to see the footage, which I can understand,
Speaker 2: like you've put all this effort into this wedding, you'd
Speaker 2: still want to see it. So she ended up getting
Speaker 2: the video email through to her one night when she
Speaker 2: was alone watching TV, and she said, of course, she
Speaker 2: watched it as you would. And she said that funnily enough,
Speaker 2: she wasn't getting upset when she saw her and ex
Speaker 2: together and happy moments, but it was more the moments
Speaker 2: with her family doing speeches, and she wanted to, I
Speaker 2: suppose immortalize those and keep them as a special memory.
Speaker 2: So she went back to the videographer and said, look,
Speaker 2: can I pay you to create a version that doesn't
Speaker 2: have her X in it so she can keep it
Speaker 2: for herself. I did find This element interesting because she
Speaker 2: said that the videographers straight away responded and said, yes,
Speaker 2: that's a great idea, but don't worry about paying her.
Speaker 2: So I feel like there must have been an obligation
Speaker 2: for Olivia to end up posting this video. Oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's the case. I think that the
Speaker 2: videographer would have known the reach and also the reaction
Speaker 2: that was going to be caused by.
Speaker 1: The eligator, which would cause no But.
Speaker 2: I think that they just did it so that they
Speaker 2: could get some publicity around so do I exactly? So,
Speaker 2: I think that's why they offered it for free, and
Speaker 2: Olivia was obligated to post it because if it was
Speaker 2: just something that you wanted to keep private for you
Speaker 2: and your family, what's the point of sharing it online.
Speaker 2: But to me, it sounded like Olivia was saying she
Speaker 2: wanted to share it so others could see. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to have a man like this is
Speaker 2: her sort of statement that she enjoyed the day. This
Speaker 2: is about her and her family, and she's not going
Speaker 2: to sort of shy away from it for someone. I
Speaker 2: actually got my wedding video, like my speeches and my
Speaker 2: ceremony back. I don't know if I could possibly ask
Speaker 2: the videographer and edit, Like I don't know if I
Speaker 2: broke up with Reese, I don't think i'd want to
Speaker 2: see it again. But after going to your wedding, so
Speaker 2: much of the day is actually spent with your family
Speaker 2: during the day and getting ready with your bridesmaid the
Speaker 2: part of it, like with Reees, obviously you say such
Speaker 2: nice things to each other, but that's the smallest part
Speaker 2: of the day. You spend more time and you hear
Speaker 2: all your family say lovely things about you.
Speaker 1: I think it was more symbolic.
Speaker 2: I think she wanted to reclaim the moment and not
Speaker 2: shy away from it. And it's quite clear that in
Speaker 2: getting over her divorce, she's been listening to a lot
Speaker 2: of podcasts with people going through similar experiences, So maybe
Speaker 2: she wanted to pave the path for other women to
Speaker 2: not be embarrassed about it. Hey, fuck it, I'll put
Speaker 2: it up there. I'll claim this moment. We'll all power
Speaker 2: to her. I just don't think I could personally do it.
Speaker 2: How about the part of the interview where Olivia touched
Speaker 2: on future relationships, because initially she said that she was
Speaker 2: so repulsed by men that she didn't want to date anyway,
Speaker 2: which also speaks volumes. It's one of those sort of
Speaker 2: like shady comments, not saying anything, but everyone's like, well,
Speaker 2: obviously Justin's done something wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And I was surprised that she's been on a couple
Speaker 2: of dates since the breakup and that no one spotted
Speaker 2: her on these dates. I wonder if one of the
Speaker 2: dates was with Agnew because I saw them together at
Speaker 2: one of Kahan's famous target dinner party. Well, she did
Speaker 2: talk about a guy that gave her the ick, that
Speaker 2: talked a lot about star signs and wanted to analyze
Speaker 2: her life based on her star sign and her family's
Speaker 2: star signs. I feel like Olivia's got a lot in
Speaker 2: common with Jesse from mass because his major ick is
Speaker 2: star sign girls. So look, I can't see them together.
Speaker 2: To be honest, now, I would love to hear your
Speaker 2: thoughts on her ex husband Justin mckinn's response to the
Speaker 2: first interview, because on Tuesday, he posted an Instagram story
Speaker 2: of a photo of the couple's dog, Ziggy, and he
Speaker 2: wrote a wise person once said, never believe there is
Speaker 2: one side to a story. I respect the dignity of
Speaker 2: a broken marriage over speaking publicly. My nearest and dearest
Speaker 2: know my side, and that's all that matters to me.
Speaker 2: That's all you ever hear from me. Thank you for
Speaker 2: all the messages of support. I can honestly say I've
Speaker 2: never been happier. It didn't take long for influencer updates
Speaker 2: au to share this post that Justin made, and the
Speaker 2: comments were absolutely flooded. Most people were supportive of Olivia's
Speaker 2: decision to do the interview.
Speaker 1: However, there were a few people.
Speaker 2: Sticking up for Justin. One of those people wrote, I'm
Speaker 2: actually surprised everyone is defending her. Since they separated, she
Speaker 2: has been dropping snippets of the breakup whilst he has
Speaker 2: stayed silent. Whether he wronged her or not, she can
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up about it Without a divorce, she
Speaker 2: literally has nothing to talk about now. Justin liked the
Speaker 2: comment and commented underneath it word. Another person wrote why
Speaker 2: is she still talking about it? Then just say why
Speaker 2: and move on, which Justin approved the comment with a like.
Speaker 2: A troll account also commented underneath saying because she loves
Speaker 2: the attention and she is milking the breakup, which Justin
Speaker 2: also liked.
Speaker 1: What a complete dickhead.
Speaker 2: I know. I just think it really showed his true
Speaker 2: colors and really did nothing for him. He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment on it, but you liking
Speaker 2: those comments about word That is you commenting on.
Speaker 1: It exactly the other side of things.
Speaker 2: I don't agree with what Justin's saying, but it would
Speaker 2: be incredibly difficult if your partner had a public profile
Speaker 2: and a lot of friends who were in the public eye,
Speaker 2: and they were able to use these podcasts to give
Speaker 2: their side of events.
Speaker 1: I do think that Olivia was incredibly.
Speaker 2: Respectful with the way she went about it, but I
Speaker 2: can see his frustration of not wanting his dirty laundry
Speaker 2: out there, particularly because it does seem apparent that he
Speaker 2: has done the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. He's loving it.
Speaker 2: He took his profile off private when all of this happened.
Speaker 2: He now has a micro following of over ten thousand people.
Speaker 2: He's the one fueling it by writing these comments on
Speaker 2: influencer updates.
Speaker 1: Are you like.
Speaker 2: Olivia, I don't post, I'm sorry, but he continually posts
Speaker 2: photos of him with other girls.
Speaker 1: He is loving it.
Speaker 2: He is clearly sharing stuff about women to get more attention.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: It's true, and I feel like his response shows that
Speaker 2: he's scared what Olivia is going to come out and say.
Speaker 2: And from what I'm guessing, there's a lot of things
Speaker 2: that she could throw them under the bus about and
Speaker 2: talk about and she hasn't. I felt gas lit from
Speaker 2: his comment, and I think the use of the photo
Speaker 2: of their dog was kind of almost like not a
Speaker 2: I don't want to use wet threat, but because Olivia
Speaker 2: has been allowed to see the dog a little bit
Speaker 2: more recently, I felt like it was a bit of
Speaker 2: a well, you're not seeing this dog anymore. It would
Speaker 2: have been incredibly painful though, for him to listen to
Speaker 2: that podcast, particularly where she was sharing that she saw
Speaker 2: a lot of red flags along the way and that
Speaker 2: it was difficult for her to write the wedding speech
Speaker 2: and basically the day was great because of her friends
Speaker 2: and not him. I wonder if he was aware of
Speaker 2: that before hearing it all the podcast. Well, she did
Speaker 2: say that they were in a bad space and that
Speaker 2: the wedding day was good despite him. Obviously it's going
Speaker 2: to be quite painful to hear those things, but it
Speaker 2: appears from Olivia's point of view, and again as Justin
Speaker 2: said there are two sides to a story. But if
Speaker 2: we are to believe what Olivia is saying, it seems
Speaker 2: like he was the problem. So she was noble in
Speaker 2: wanting to try and fix things and look for.
Speaker 1: The good in the situation.
Speaker 2: And now, in hindsight, she's probably realized how doubtful she
Speaker 2: was feeling. Maybe it wasn't an emotion that she was
Speaker 2: clued into at the time. I know Justin has said
Speaker 2: that this is the last you'll hear from me. It
Speaker 2: sort of sounds like one of those threats put out
Speaker 2: by Sophie Kaisha when she announced her a split with
Speaker 2: Maddi Garrick. But do we think that he might pop
Speaker 2: up on a podcast somewhere. It reminds me of when
Speaker 2: Kristen Cavalieri's ex husband appeared on Sophia with an F's
Speaker 2: podcast after she was on Caller Daddy. I do think
Speaker 2: we will be hearing more from Justin, particularly if Olivia
Speaker 2: continues to talk about the divorce, which I think she will.
Speaker 2: She said that the more she's coming to terms with it,
Speaker 2: the more she feels like she can speak on it
Speaker 2: and help other women out. I feel like you'll pop
Speaker 2: up one of those really toxic male podcasts. Jordan Simmy's
Speaker 2: bringing his podcast back.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll hear him on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, and I don't want to sit here as well.
Speaker 4: And I suppose not say anything on this topic. I
Speaker 4: think the elephant in the room is for a long
Speaker 4: period of time, this was my life like tanning.
Speaker 2: Steph gillas Smith has been called out for contributing to
Speaker 2: tanning culture after promoting sun safety on her podcast The
Speaker 2: Kickpod Kate What Went Down So? On Monday's episode of
Speaker 2: The Kickpod, Laura Henshaw spoke about the very sad passing
Speaker 2: of suns Safety advocate Natalie for Nasia, and I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed listening to Laura speaks so passionately on this topic.
Speaker 2: She talked about how she was seeing this shift online
Speaker 2: recently where people were beginning to glamorize tanning again, and
Speaker 2: Laura went on to take aim at influencers who promote
Speaker 2: tanning culture, saying people with followings have a responsibility to
Speaker 2: their followers.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The major elephant in the was her co host, Steph
Speaker 2: Claire Smith, and to her credit, she did address it,
Speaker 2: saying that tanning had been a big part of her
Speaker 2: life for a long.
Speaker 1: Period of time. Let's row to what Steph said.
Speaker 4: For the longest period of time, I would put oil
Speaker 4: on my skin. I put it on my bloody face
Speaker 4: because I wanted to be tanned. Right, it was an
Speaker 4: aesthetic thing that I wanted to look like. And that's
Speaker 4: purely what we're talking about, is the total issue of
Speaker 4: not acknowledging the danger of that and not trying to
Speaker 4: do better. And I can do better as well. The
Speaker 4: difference now for me, I think something that really really
Speaker 4: special was actually meeting Nat, and I think she taught
Speaker 4: me a lot, and I am so I'm gonna get
Speaker 4: really because.
Speaker 5: I think what's really sad about that is because tragedies
Speaker 5: shouldn't have to happen to teach us simple shit like that.
Speaker 5: It shouldn't take someone getting melanoma to whatever extent, to
Speaker 5: whatever level. And then obviously the tragedy that Nat has
Speaker 5: been through in that it's actually taken her life, it
Speaker 5: shouldn't take that to have these sort of reminders, right.
Speaker 2: Steph went on to say she knows she can do
Speaker 2: better on her platform and has been more son smart
Speaker 2: in her day to day life, particularly since becoming a mum.
Speaker 2: She also urged others in the same position as her.
Speaker 2: Not to feel guilty, but use it as a reminder
Speaker 2: to do better, not just for your own body, but
Speaker 2: for the people you may be influencing now. Despite Steph
Speaker 2: acknowledging the negative part that she did play in tanning
Speaker 2: culture on the podcast, it didn't stop her from getting
Speaker 2: criticized in the show's Instagram promost so on TikTok, one
Speaker 2: user wrote, love you both, but Steph has been posting
Speaker 2: herself tanning for years, even with sunscreen. It's dangerous and
Speaker 2: goes against everything you're saying. Another rote Orkie Steph crying.
Speaker 1: When she's the worst in the tanning culture.
Speaker 2: Another Instagram follower wrote, sorry, but Steph has been the
Speaker 2: literal queen of tanning culture in the last ten years.
Speaker 2: She's still posting about her son baking up to last week.
Speaker 2: I hope she takes more accountability than I need to
Speaker 2: do better. If you want to keep doing it, do it,
Speaker 2: but please stop posting about it now. That comment received
Speaker 2: five hundred and eighty three likes. Steph did respond to
Speaker 2: the criticism, so she wrote, Hi, all, I just wanted
Speaker 2: to comment to let you know I have seen all
Speaker 2: of your comments and I hear you. The purpose of
Speaker 2: the segment was to spread awareness to get your skin
Speaker 2: checked and be sun safe. I have absolutely fucked up
Speaker 2: in this department time and time again. It has taken
Speaker 2: me years to learn the seriousness of sun damage, and
Speaker 2: it's taken a long time to unlearn bad habits. I'm
Speaker 2: going to do my best to avoid sharing content that
Speaker 2: contributes to tanning culture, as I understand that pictures don't
Speaker 2: always tell the story I'm.
Speaker 1: Meaning them too.
Speaker 2: In my own day to day life, I practice sun
Speaker 2: safety by wearing sunscreen every day no matter the weather,
Speaker 2: reapplying it regularly whenever I'm in the sun, getting annual
Speaker 2: skin checks, wearing hats and sunnies, and seeking shade by
Speaker 2: the pool. I've also got a lot better at all
Speaker 2: of this since having Harvey, as I want to set
Speaker 2: a good example for him. I wanted to share today's
Speaker 2: segment because it's important to me and I can see
Speaker 2: the damage that passed actions of mine have done. We
Speaker 2: know better, we can do better today. I know a
Speaker 2: lot more than I did in the past, and I
Speaker 2: will do better. What do you guys think of her comments?
Speaker 2: I thought it sounded like she'd had help from a
Speaker 2: pr team to write that comment, because I think it
Speaker 2: was quite good, particularly when she was listing all the
Speaker 2: sun safety things.
Speaker 1: That she does.
Speaker 2: I think it's incredibly tough in any circumstance to put
Speaker 2: up your hand and say you've done the wrong thing,
Speaker 2: So I do commence Steph for that.
Speaker 1: I think why.
Speaker 2: People have such an issue is that she is putting
Speaker 2: up a lot of posts where she does take financial
Speaker 2: gain from sunscreen company. So she's been running these recent
Speaker 2: ads where she'll be using this sort of buffer brush
Speaker 2: to buff suncream into her skin. But while she's doing it,
Speaker 2: she is sitting out by the pool in her bikini.
Speaker 2: She does have a shade over her, but it just
Speaker 2: sort of looks like it's playing into the whole promotion
Speaker 2: of sun tanning. Yeah. I have to admit I am
Speaker 2: a big fan of Steph kles Smith's but I am
Speaker 2: not a fan of the way she has promoted tanning
Speaker 2: culture in the past, and it is rather awkward that
Speaker 2: she has done it so recently and, as you said,
Speaker 2: financially benefiting from it. I also think it would have
Speaker 2: been nice to see this post actually appear on her
Speaker 2: feed or on her story, rather than in a comment
Speaker 2: that can be hidden and buried down. And I did
Speaker 2: find it awkward because it felt like something that Laura
Speaker 2: was very passionate about and wanted to talk about, and
Speaker 2: it puts Steph in the awkward position where she did
Speaker 2: have to call herself out. And again I appreciate that
Speaker 2: she did put her hand up and say that she's
Speaker 2: shit about it, but it would have been better to
Speaker 2: see action speaking louder for words. In the lead up
Speaker 2: to this podcast, well, you guys quite surprised to hear
Speaker 2: the extent of Steph's tanning routine, in the sense that
Speaker 2: she was talking about how she used to put oils
Speaker 2: on her face every day, and I just it made
Speaker 2: me feel sick.
Speaker 1: But it is hard when people aren't educated on the matter.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing.
Speaker 2: I think she was educated, Like you can't grow up
Speaker 2: in Australia and say you don't know the dangers of
Speaker 2: the sun. I think, as she said that she turned
Speaker 2: a blind eye to it because she is a model
Speaker 2: and she wanted the aesthetic look of being tanned. And
Speaker 2: I mean it personally made me feel sick because I'm
Speaker 2: someone that is so scared of the son I follow
Speaker 2: Courtney Mangen and I have followed NAT's story as well,
Speaker 2: and I just couldn't believe when I heard that she
Speaker 2: put oil on her face. Not to judge her, but
Speaker 2: it's just something that really freaked me out because you
Speaker 2: look at say, Deborah Not and she's been posting about
Speaker 2: how she obviously used to not be very son smart
Speaker 2: and the dangers that she is now dealing with in
Speaker 2: her older age of having to have all these things
Speaker 2: burnt off her skin. And it's not something that you
Speaker 2: just see effects of straight away, like this is something
Speaker 2: that Steph will I mean, I hope not, but something
Speaker 2: that she may have to deal with later down the track. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can understand the frustration from the people who listen
Speaker 2: to the podcast because it did seem a little bit hypocritical,
Speaker 2: But I actually think that Steph's response was great, and
Speaker 2: you know, we can't always continue to slam people, especially
Speaker 2: when they're trying to do the right thing. Well, I
Speaker 2: do think actions speak louder than words. And it's funny
Speaker 2: because I noticed her next post on Instagram was her
Speaker 2: and her son Harvey at the zoo and she was
Speaker 2: wearing a hat. So it might just be small steps
Speaker 2: moving forward, and I do hope we see a difference
Speaker 2: on her account. I don't want to see any more
Speaker 2: tanning photos on her Instagram story. Well, as Laura said,
Speaker 2: it's your body, you can do as you like to it.
Speaker 2: But what she finds incredibly disturbing is when people have
Speaker 2: power and a following, if they're promoting doing the wrong thing.
Speaker 2: So I think if Steph can move forward and stop
Speaker 2: the promotion and also stop the financial gain from promoting
Speaker 2: different sunscreens, I think that people will be less likely
Speaker 2: to comment or criticize. Well. I think she can still
Speaker 2: promote sunscreens, but promote them properly and not promote them
Speaker 2: as something that will allow you to tan. I do
Speaker 2: wonder if Laura Henshaw actually called Steph Klesmith out, because again,
Speaker 2: she seemed really passionate about it, and I think they
Speaker 2: have that friendship where they could call each other out
Speaker 2: and say you need to do better.
Speaker 1: Maybe what.
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: We just want to be normal people.
Speaker 3: This attention, it's so hard.
Speaker 2: Chloe Zepp has shocked and repulsed much of the Internet
Speaker 2: by posting a series of stories showing her baby daddy
Speaker 2: Mitch Orville, inspecting his bumhole for worms or hemorrhoids. The
Speaker 2: attention seeking posts come as the couple reveal only fifty
Speaker 2: percent of their upcoming retreat has been sold. Sophy, I
Speaker 2: couldn't believe what I.
Speaker 1: Was seeing when this popped up in my newsfeed.
Speaker 2: I quite honestly felt sick to my stomach after seeing
Speaker 2: these series of stories. And in the first Instagram story,
Speaker 2: we see Mitch lying on his bed with his legs
Speaker 2: in the air and these Peter Alexander themed Christmas pajamas
Speaker 2: wrapped around his ankles, and thankfully his bumhole had been
Speaker 2: strategically cut out.
Speaker 1: Of the photo.
Speaker 2: And it is the word bumhole like that just so.
Speaker 2: Mitch had this expression on his face that I just
Speaker 2: can't seem to get out of my head. It was
Speaker 2: almost this childlike glee in the photo and in the caption,
Speaker 2: Chloe wrote, I have three children currently putting baby powder
Speaker 2: on Mitch Orvil's asshole now. In the next Instagram story,
Speaker 2: Chloe then filmed Mitch in the couple's on suite, lying
Speaker 2: on the bathroom floor, legs up in the air, again
Speaker 2: shaving his bumhole area. Chloe then proceeded to put up
Speaker 2: a pole asking followers to guess whether Mitch had worms
Speaker 2: or hemorrhoids. A follower then wrote in saying that Mitch
Speaker 2: should ice the area so as you do. Chloe then
Speaker 2: showed a video of Mitch icing his bumhole on the
Speaker 2: couple's bed, whilst he remarked that it feels like.
Speaker 1: He's coloring his bumhole.
Speaker 2: Can listeners take a shot every time Savie says bumhole?
Speaker 1: Drunk waker? All I can think of is a South Park.
Speaker 2: We want privacy, we want privacy, we want privacy. Of
Speaker 2: course you're referencing the Megan macle and Harry Prince Harry payout.
Speaker 2: They've called for privacy for so long, and next minute
Speaker 2: they're putting up a video of him icing and shaving
Speaker 2: his bum Why did you need to shave it? I
Speaker 2: just can't get over the image of this ice cube
Speaker 2: melting with someone's bumhole juice on the bed that you
Speaker 2: sleep on.
Speaker 1: Stop bumbhole. It's disgusting. The whole thing's disgusting.
Speaker 2: It is, quite honestly, the most bizarre and disgusting thing
Speaker 2: I think I've ever seen shared online.
Speaker 1: I'm here for it, though you're here for I don't
Speaker 1: want to know about it. I'd rather have that content
Speaker 1: than all the anti vaxx chick.
Speaker 2: I just think it was next level, and I feel
Speaker 2: like it was put out there for pure shock value.
Speaker 1: And I don't.
Speaker 2: Understand why this content wasn't removed. Without a doubt, it
Speaker 2: would have been reported. A number of people in our
Speaker 2: group mentioned that they had reported it. Surely people aren't
Speaker 2: seeing this content and then going, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: want to spend all this money on going a retreat.
Speaker 1: With these guys.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're looking for new sponsors a hemorrhoid cream cone
Speaker 2: or one of those donut blow up things on. But
Speaker 2: the more content that you put out there, the more
Speaker 2: views you get, the more engagement that is driven. I
Speaker 2: think that they're ultimately doing it for money, because if
Speaker 2: you think about it, when Mitch had this big hiatus
Speaker 2: from Instagram, his engagement rate would have absolutely plummeted. So
Speaker 2: they're now having to do all these attention seeking things
Speaker 2: to get eyeballs back on their page, and it's because
Speaker 2: they want to sell this retreat.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: I think it's very on brand for Mitsch through something
Speaker 2: like this, like he's known for being a prankster, and
Speaker 2: also they are pretty relatable, so maybe that's also playing
Speaker 2: into that a little bit. But yes this retreat. Chloe
Speaker 2: announced that fifty percent of the tickets have not been sold,
Speaker 2: and they have been promoting this retreat for a number
Speaker 2: of weeks. Now. Generally there's so much hype, whether it's
Speaker 2: genuine or not, over these events that it seems to
Speaker 2: sell out very quickly, so it's interesting to see that
Speaker 2: the numbers are so low. The retreat is only a
Speaker 2: month away as well, so it'd be interesting to see
Speaker 2: what other attention seeking posts that they get out there
Speaker 2: to try and attract some attention towards their page. Now,
Speaker 2: the tickets do cost between two one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: dollars to two thousand and seven ninety for the four
Speaker 2: night retreat, and Chloe did share a post revealing exactly
Speaker 2: what is included at this retreat, and some of the
Speaker 2: most notable features which I could see were things like
Speaker 2: learning to surf at Noose's iconic beach, challenging yourself with
Speaker 2: group games, exploring Hastings street cafes and shops, and.
Speaker 1: You can't forget yet the free Wi Fi.
Speaker 2: This addition of Wi Fi cracks me up because this
Speaker 2: inclusion makes it quite clear that they're trying to beef
Speaker 2: up these offerings. Wow, I mean, if that's the best
Speaker 2: they can do, I'm surprised there's not like a Chloe
Speaker 2: Zep smoothie thrown in from the beach shack.
Speaker 1: They've got a new stock left or whatever their shop
Speaker 1: was called.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, on this promotion they also reference strength and
Speaker 2: conditioning daily workouts with Chloe and Mitch. Now I do
Speaker 2: wonder is a qualified instructor through Journey retreats going to
Speaker 2: be taking these classes or are they referring that Chloe
Speaker 2: and Mitchell qualified strength and conditioning coaches because they definitely
Speaker 2: are not.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know that they are into fitness. They
Speaker 2: have Kick trainer Danny Kennedy as their own personal trainers,
Speaker 2: But I don't think that means that they're qualified to
Speaker 2: then be offering strength and conditioning advice to a group
Speaker 2: of paying customers. It'd be interesting to see what happens
Speaker 2: in terms of that. Look, I don't think they're qualified
Speaker 2: to do much that they're offering, other than maybe taking
Speaker 2: the people out to.
Speaker 1: Cafes on hasting streets perhaps.
Speaker 2: I mean, they did have a failed cafe too.
Speaker 1: So perhaps what to do get a hemorrhoid?
Speaker 2: Oh god, that might be in the course, Well, they
Speaker 2: put a Q and a box out for that as well. Now,
Speaker 2: this attention seeking posting has continued.
Speaker 1: So today Mitch shared a photo of a variety of.
Speaker 2: Condoms on a supermarket shelf and in the comment, he wrote,
Speaker 2: taking no more risks. Haven't been to the cinemas in
Speaker 2: two point five years. Now. This comes just weeks after
Speaker 2: Mitch shared a grocery list which revealed that Chloe was
Speaker 2: buying a pregnancy test.
Speaker 1: So what does this all mean?
Speaker 2: Because it's interesting he mentions the cinema because there was
Speaker 2: an ongoing joke about him being relegated to the movie
Speaker 2: room when things weren't going well in his relationship with
Speaker 2: him and Chloe. I don't quite get it though, because
Speaker 2: he said he hasn't been in the cinema for two
Speaker 2: and a half years. I think is he referring that
Speaker 2: he's going to the movies, He's going to have sex
Speaker 2: with Chloe in the movie theater. I feel like there
Speaker 2: is some reference towards his movie room.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I went to have a look back at when they
Speaker 2: actually sold their house, and it was a year ago
Speaker 2: now that they sold the house. So it doesn't add
Speaker 2: up that he's been out of that movie room for
Speaker 2: two and a half years. It's a very odd comment
Speaker 2: and it is one that's going to generate engagement on
Speaker 2: his page. I wonder what else he'll be sharing in
Speaker 2: the coming weeks to try and generate.
Speaker 1: Those ticket sales.
Speaker 2: If anyone has worked out what this comment means in
Speaker 2: our Facebook group, please share with us, because I feel
Speaker 2: like it's gone over our heads a little bit. How
Speaker 2: dare you, sir?
Speaker 4: My Instagram loving wife there's always wanted her rathers there.
Speaker 2: This week, UK superstar Harry Starles did a showy live
Speaker 2: on stage during his first leg of his Australian tour
Speaker 2: in Perth. Now, for any international listeners who might not
Speaker 2: know what a showy is, it is a cult ossie
Speaker 2: drinking tradition. So basically you pull your drink, which in
Speaker 2: most cases is a beer, into your own shoe or
Speaker 2: someone else's shoe and quickly chug it down in one go.
Speaker 1: Now, it appears that medical professionals.
Speaker 2: Are now concerned that due to the popularity of the showy,
Speaker 2: more and more people are coming down with a bad
Speaker 2: case of gastro.
Speaker 1: How many people are doing shoeyes each day?
Speaker 2: And are medical professionals really concerned about this or is
Speaker 2: this faux concern to create a clickbait article about Harry
Speaker 2: Styles and shoeies. Yeah, I definitely think it's something that's
Speaker 2: been drummed up by newspapers, particularly those in Perth. So
Speaker 2: adopted by the name of Vincent Hoe told the newspaper
Speaker 2: that whilst the shoey is popular, it's not the safest,
Speaker 2: almost hygienic way to neck a beer. No shit, really, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he said there's potential risks of infection and getting gastro
Speaker 2: so shoey related gas story isn't unfounded either. So he
Speaker 2: has a lot of research that shows that different alcohol
Speaker 2: helps or hinders bacteria living in our shoe. So for instance,
Speaker 2: drinks like sparkling wine or champagne can encourage more bacteria
Speaker 2: to grow due to sugar yeast and the fermentation process.
Speaker 2: Who's really doing shoeies with champagne though it's usually beer. Well,
Speaker 2: a lot of the F one drivers when they win,
Speaker 2: they'll do a shoey with champagne, so it has been
Speaker 2: seen to happen. This just reminds me of a story
Speaker 2: I would have done when I was working at seven
Speaker 2: News on the weekend, because we used to do ones
Speaker 2: all the time. It was like about the risk of
Speaker 2: waste trainers and all this come up with something around.
Speaker 2: Harry Styles also saw the news were running a story
Speaker 2: about the apparent dangers of Logan, Paul and Kosi's new
Speaker 2: drink because it obviously got so much media attention.
Speaker 1: What's a new drink.
Speaker 2: It's this energy drink and they were saying that it's
Speaker 2: got way too much.
Speaker 1: Caffeine in it.
Speaker 2: You're like, Amy, been there, done that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just say this was literally my own story.
Speaker 2: I saw Adelaide News did it, and it was like
Speaker 2: all the doctors that I used to interview for my
Speaker 2: story was ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my story. I did a st Yeah
Speaker 1: that was drink and energy drinks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of your stories. I can't Yeah, No, I
Speaker 2: actually think that was quite a good story. I think
Speaker 2: that it's good that the news is tapping into social
Speaker 2: media interests and when they're creating drinks, particularly like this,
Speaker 2: that are dangerous for children.
Speaker 1: I think the Shiwy is more of a beat up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in twenty twenty three, a parent's really unaware
Speaker 2: that energy drinks aren't good for their kids. I remember
Speaker 2: back in the day when you guys covered the story
Speaker 2: that it was a bit of a shock because I
Speaker 2: remember when we went to our school discos when we
Speaker 2: were ten, they were handing our energy drinks because I
Speaker 2: think parents just thought they were like soft drinks. Well,
Speaker 2: the issue with this is they're saying that it has
Speaker 2: double the legal amount of caffeine that you're allowed to
Speaker 2: have and a drink in Australia.
Speaker 1: So that's the issue with it. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: These cans of drink can be dressed up to look
Speaker 2: like their soft drinks, so parents may not be aware.
Speaker 2: So I think that was actually an important story. Well,
Speaker 2: I am really thirsty because it's forty degrees in Adelaide
Speaker 2: here today. I had to beg amy to turn the
Speaker 2: air conditioning on. So let's wrap things up. This podcast
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