WEBVTT - Olivia Rogers Breaks Her Silence, Mitch Orval & Chloe’s Szeps TMI Posts & Steph Claire Smith’s Tanning Regrets

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>On today's show, Olivia Rodgers opens up about why she

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<v Speaker 2>ended her marriage. Steph Clare Smith breaks down on her podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>admitting she contributed to tanning culture, Chloe Zepp and Mitch

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<v Speaker 2>Orble's string of attention seeking posts as ticket sales dwindled

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<v Speaker 2>for their retreat, and doctors warn about the dangers of

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<v Speaker 2>shoeies after Harry Styles tries the Aussie cult drinking tradition.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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<v Speaker 2>hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Kate Torbert and it's nice to have you guys back.

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<v Speaker 2>You have been on a business trip in Sydney. It

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<v Speaker 2>was only for one night, but it felt a lot longer.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. When we touched down last night, Sophie was like,

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<v Speaker 2>can you believe we flew out yesterday morning? And it

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<v Speaker 2>was unbelievable. Fit so much in so we were over

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<v Speaker 2>for a big press conference and we were so busy,

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<v Speaker 2>so we wouldn't even really have time to eat over there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was wrecked by the end of it. We rocked

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<v Speaker 2>up to the airport looking like absolute slobs, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you've just been in business clothes all day, and

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<v Speaker 2>we saw some of our colleagues at the airport. They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys tired. I feel like we looked absolutely correcked.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am not a good traveler, As I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a very nervous flyer. Poor Amy really took on

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<v Speaker 2>the role as my parent because this is the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that I've traveled in four years, and I had

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<v Speaker 2>forgotten what to do. And also I feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>airport has become more high tech. I love it because

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<v Speaker 2>so if we're so clueless. She didn't even know where

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<v Speaker 2>you collect your bags from. She started walking towards the

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<v Speaker 2>Rex carousel, and I'm like, we flew quantous. Well, that

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't changed, that's not something new. I lovesovie goes. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I've forgotten. I don't think you ever knew you'd

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<v Speaker 2>never flown by yourself. I'm not very savvy with traveling

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<v Speaker 2>because I've either traveled in a group or with a

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<v Speaker 2>partner before, and I sort of just follow what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I was punished.

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<v Speaker 2>Because after these two huge days, we finally get home,

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<v Speaker 2>get to the area where you pick up your bags,

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<v Speaker 2>and we wait and my bag claim baggage claim. Yes, see,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even I can't even think of the name

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Anyway, and my bag sadly didn't make the flight.

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<v Speaker 2>And Amy's theory is that I was trusted in doing

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<v Speaker 2>one thing, putting the tags on the bag, and she

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<v Speaker 2>thinks that they might have fallen off. I don't know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she was, you know, when you peel off the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was all very confusing for Sophie. I trusted her

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<v Speaker 2>to do her own bag. On the way back. It

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<v Speaker 2>was funny because we were actually having family dinner at

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<v Speaker 2>Mum and Dad's house and we were all waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>Amy and Sophie to arrive, and we got a message

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<v Speaker 2>saying that Sophie's bag had been lost, and Dale goes, geez,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna bet we're not gonna hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Much about.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but my makeup, my hair strained, all of

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<v Speaker 2>my nice clothes were in this bag, and I was your.

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<v Speaker 1>Credit card, wasn't it? Yes? My credit Sorry, yes, that

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<v Speaker 1>was probably more the.

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<v Speaker 2>Credit card or debit card in their bag that they're

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<v Speaker 2>checking in. I feel like we're touching on one of

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<v Speaker 2>the low lights of the trip, but I think one

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<v Speaker 2>of the highlights was getting to see one of our clients,

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<v Speaker 2>Christa Villich. So she featured on Real Housewives of Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just hilarious because she greeted us with

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<v Speaker 2>her puppy, which is this beautiful chiava called Charlie, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, girls, what can I get you?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just like.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never gone into someone's house and the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>they've offered is a champagne. It felt very Real Housewives

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<v Speaker 2>of Sydney. Well, the next offering was beer, so her

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<v Speaker 2>husband's like, an hour later, are you sure you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to beer? And Amy put up a few photos

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<v Speaker 2>of their new kitten, which is called Ziggy and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a Bengal cat and we were literally inundated with messages

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<v Speaker 2>of people thinking that it was actually a leopard. It's

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<v Speaker 2>funny you say that, because I was on TikTok after

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<v Speaker 2>these messages had come through and there was a woman

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<v Speaker 2>that actually lived with a African big cat, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, that's weird. Thof, she definitely didn't have a leopard.

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<v Speaker 3>It was not like this momentous thing that was going

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<v Speaker 3>to suddenly like heal everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Olivia Rodgers has broken her silence on why her marriage

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<v Speaker 2>ended with Justin mckehan. The former Miss Universe Australia, spoke

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<v Speaker 2>candidly on two of Australia's biggest podcasts, labeling the relationship

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<v Speaker 2>toxic with big problems. Now, Sophie, before we get into it,

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<v Speaker 2>I know we've spoken a lot about Olivia and Justin's breakup,

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<v Speaker 2>but can you please give listeners a quick summary on

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<v Speaker 2>what's been going on. Yeah, so, the couple had been

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<v Speaker 2>married for just seven months when Olivia announced the split

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<v Speaker 2>in October last year, and there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>public interest in their wedding, with Olivia sharing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of content pre and post the wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>So since the split, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple's dog, Ziggy, has been in the middle of the conflict,

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<v Speaker 2>so Justin took full custody of the dog, much to

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<v Speaker 2>Olivia's upset. Until now, Olivia and Justin have kept quiet

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<v Speaker 2>on what caused the breakup. Olivia has made a few

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<v Speaker 2>cryptic comments on social media in the past, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is still unclear what actually happened. As for Olivia's podcast interview,

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<v Speaker 2>she first appeared on The Life Uncut podcast on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>and then on Thursday on Happy Hour with Lucy and

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<v Speaker 2>Nicky Kate, were you surprised by Olivia's podcast of choice? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I always thought Olivia would discuss her divorce on a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was only a matter of time, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a really good platform for her because

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<v Speaker 2>she is so articulate and likable, and back when the

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<v Speaker 2>news first broke, we did predict she would do a

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<v Speaker 2>tell all interview. However, I thought it would be on

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<v Speaker 2>show Aless. She is friends with the Hostsara and Michelle,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's also the target market that would be very

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<v Speaker 2>interested in the story. Of course, though Shameless don't do

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<v Speaker 2>their in conversation episodes anymore, so they would have had

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<v Speaker 2>to do a bit of a special I alternatively thought

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<v Speaker 2>that Tully smythe may resurrect her podcast too much Tully

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<v Speaker 2>for the occasion, because they're also friends. I do think

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<v Speaker 2>though maybe being interviewed on those two platforms would have

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<v Speaker 2>come across as a little bit biased. Though yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it would have been a bit too close

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<v Speaker 2>to home. I think it was a stroke of genius

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<v Speaker 2>going on Life on Cut because it is arguably the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest female podcast in Australia and it has such good

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<v Speaker 2>reach and people love Britain Laura. I think in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of shameless, they would have wanted to distance themselves from

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<v Speaker 2>this topic. When the news broke of Olivia and Justin's divorce,

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<v Speaker 2>they did a tiny topic on it, but reiterated that

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<v Speaker 2>they were friends with Olivia. So it's difficult for them

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<v Speaker 2>to comment, and I think because they have copped a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of criticism about being friends with influencers, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>something that they would have wanted to delve into, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>because they don't have the interview forma anymore, so they

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring out this special interview segment.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, of course, Olivia was always welcome to be

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<v Speaker 2>on outspoke of the podcast. I was surprised though, when

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<v Speaker 2>the second interview dropped on Happy Hour with Lucy and NICKI.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's not necessarily right, but I do feel

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<v Speaker 2>like when someone like Olivia comes out and talks about

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<v Speaker 2>these issues that she's had, everyone is all up and

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<v Speaker 2>about and really supportive. But then as time goes on

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<v Speaker 2>and that person talks more and more about it and

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<v Speaker 2>becomes sort of overexposed, people then lash out and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>shut up, stop talking about it. So I was concerned

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<v Speaker 2>that this second interview might have been too much in

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<v Speaker 2>a short space of time. I noticed last week that

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<v Speaker 2>Life on Cut got the exclusive with Rebel Wilson right

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<v Speaker 2>before she was on call her daddy, So I wondered,

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<v Speaker 2>what was the timing of these interviews. Yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 2>wondering how that scheduling went and if Life on Cut

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<v Speaker 2>was given exclusively first and then Happy Hour or allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to air at second. The timing was very interesting. I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like she gave more details away on Life onun Cut. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was a lot more juicier information on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose because we were then hearing Happy Hour. Second,

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<v Speaker 2>it felt like we'd heard a lot already from what

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<v Speaker 2>Olivia said. I mean, there were still interesting points in

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<v Speaker 2>both interviews. I felt Life on Cut we're pretty clever

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<v Speaker 2>framing it around the issue of identity, not just like here,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're all here for this blow by blow.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the breakup.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, we were all clearly there for the tea. But

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<v Speaker 2>surrounding it around this identity was very clever because it

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<v Speaker 2>made you feel almost less guilty for wanting to know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did like the fact that Britt and Laura

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<v Speaker 2>sort of said, you know, oh, we were all sort

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<v Speaker 2>of discussing what had happened, only because we were looking

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<v Speaker 2>out for you, you know what I mean. Like, I

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<v Speaker 2>loved how everyone behind the scenes was like, what the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck has happened? I felt kind of bad for Britain, Laura,

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<v Speaker 2>because I felt like they almost put their foot in

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<v Speaker 2>a few times sort of discussing that. Like it was

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<v Speaker 2>clear that they were all just as you said, talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but then they're like, oh, fuck, oh that

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<v Speaker 2>would make.

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<v Speaker 1>Us look bad in front of Olivia.

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<v Speaker 2>It was when Olivia mentioned that it had been a

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<v Speaker 2>year or she marked a year since her.

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<v Speaker 1>Wedding, and then Britt was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, oh do we say congrats that, Miles? And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure you could tell after she said that she

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<v Speaker 2>instantly regretted it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's get into the juicy parts of the interview.

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<v Speaker 2>And for me, I found the discussion around Olivia and

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<v Speaker 2>Justin's wedding so fascinating. So I was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>people that was very invested in their wedding as I

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<v Speaker 2>was planning for my own. And to be honest, even

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<v Speaker 2>if I wasn't, I would have been invested in this wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember being so excited to see photos and

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<v Speaker 2>was blown away how amazing it all looked. It literally

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<v Speaker 2>looked like the perfect wedding Pinterest.

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<v Speaker 5>Boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you guys didn't shut up about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember you were like just checking you get refreshing Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>and then people were all in the groups.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to find out what was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was also because they seemed like the

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<v Speaker 2>perfect couple. I would always look in at their life

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<v Speaker 2>and they were always going to exciting events, they were

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<v Speaker 2>renovating their house together, and this wedding just cemented that.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked like the perfect fairy tale. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's why it was so shocking, even though we

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<v Speaker 2>know that they've broken up now and that perfect life

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<v Speaker 2>mustn't have been true, But it was still really hard

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<v Speaker 2>to hear that. Olivia said that they weren't in a

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<v Speaker 2>good place when they got married, and it was really

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<v Speaker 2>challenging for her to actually write her wedding vows. And

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<v Speaker 2>it shows you you really just can't trust what you

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<v Speaker 2>see on Instagram. You don't know what's going on behind

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<v Speaker 2>closed doors. It sounded like Olivia also got caught up

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<v Speaker 2>in all of the hype around her own wedding. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well that was another part I found really interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>Olivia was talking about how she had doubts leading into

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<v Speaker 2>the wedding and also around the actual proposal, but she

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<v Speaker 2>felt this intense pressure to go through with the wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to what she said.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like that was also a massive call to

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<v Speaker 3>make so I kind of just forced all those feelings

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<v Speaker 3>down and just was like, Okay, no, I'm doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>I've made my mind up and I'm going to stick

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<v Speaker 3>it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you guys say that she got caught up in

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<v Speaker 2>the hype, but I think it was also a distraction.

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<v Speaker 2>She did mention that she did focus on the wedding

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<v Speaker 2>because it was something positive and she thought that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it was a bit of a band aid, maybe things

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<v Speaker 2>would be different once they got married. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was sad because she insinuated that justin proposing and also

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<v Speaker 2>the wedding was sort of a signal that he was

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<v Speaker 2>choosing her. Yeah. I found that sort of rhetoric really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting because I found it quite obvious that Olivia must

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<v Speaker 2>have told Britain Laura the full story, and there were

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<v Speaker 2>little bits of information that they would drop which kind

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<v Speaker 2>of pointed to potentially infidelity or this big moment that

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<v Speaker 2>happened where Olivia couldn't take any more on board. So

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like while they didn't say what has happened,

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<v Speaker 2>it does have a few light bulb moments for me, thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it was definitely implied well, even when she recalled the

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<v Speaker 2>story of ringing her dad up and asking him should

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<v Speaker 2>I stick it out for a year so that it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look as bad and he said back to her, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you end it now, people will realize

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<v Speaker 2>that something has gone on for this to have to

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<v Speaker 2>finish so quickly. Yeah. And I think it was a

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<v Speaker 2>shock to hear how miserable she was and was at

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<v Speaker 2>the time still doing fertility treatments up until the day

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<v Speaker 2>they broke up. It must have been something very ears

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<v Speaker 2>for her to go, hang on, I've got a counsel disappointment.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the most heartbreaking part of this interview because

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<v Speaker 2>it's so clear how eager Olivia was to be a mum.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that she also saw it as a

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<v Speaker 2>solution to their relationship because it would be a different dynamic,

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<v Speaker 2>it would add stability to their relationship. But it's so

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<v Speaker 2>lucky that she didn't go down that path and was

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<v Speaker 2>brave enough to end the relationship when she did. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I also enjoyed hearing about the Olivia edit of her

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<v Speaker 2>wedding video, so we heard a bit about how that

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<v Speaker 2>actually eventuated. So Olivia explained that when the news of

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<v Speaker 2>her breakup emerged, the wedding videographers stopped editing the video,

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<v Speaker 2>and a month later they asked Olivia if she still

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<v Speaker 2>wanted them to complete it, and she said, well, she

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<v Speaker 2>kind of wanted to see the footage, which I can understand,

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<v Speaker 2>like you've put all this effort into this wedding, you'd

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<v Speaker 2>still want to see it. So she ended up getting

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<v Speaker 2>the video email through to her one night when she

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<v Speaker 2>was alone watching TV, and she said, of course, she

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<v Speaker 2>watched it as you would. And she said that funnily enough,

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't getting upset when she saw her and ex

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<v Speaker 2>together and happy moments, but it was more the moments

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<v Speaker 2>with her family doing speeches, and she wanted to, I

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<v Speaker 2>suppose immortalize those and keep them as a special memory.

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<v Speaker 2>So she went back to the videographer and said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>can I pay you to create a version that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have her X in it so she can keep it

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<v Speaker 2>for herself. I did find This element interesting because she

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<v Speaker 2>said that the videographers straight away responded and said, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a great idea, but don't worry about paying her.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like there must have been an obligation

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<v Speaker 2>for Olivia to end up posting this video. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's the case. I think that the

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<v Speaker 2>videographer would have known the reach and also the reaction

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<v Speaker 2>that was going to be caused by.

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<v Speaker 1>The eligator, which would cause no But.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they just did it so that they

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<v Speaker 2>could get some publicity around so do I exactly? So,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's why they offered it for free, and

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<v Speaker 2>Olivia was obligated to post it because if it was

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<v Speaker 2>just something that you wanted to keep private for you

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<v Speaker 2>and your family, what's the point of sharing it online.

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<v Speaker 2>But to me, it sounded like Olivia was saying she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to share it so others could see. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to have a man like this is

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<v Speaker 2>her sort of statement that she enjoyed the day. This

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<v Speaker 2>is about her and her family, and she's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of shy away from it for someone. I

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<v Speaker 2>actually got my wedding video, like my speeches and my

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<v Speaker 2>ceremony back. I don't know if I could possibly ask

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<v Speaker 2>the videographer and edit, Like I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 2>broke up with Reese, I don't think i'd want to

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<v Speaker 2>see it again. But after going to your wedding, so

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<v Speaker 2>much of the day is actually spent with your family

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<v Speaker 2>during the day and getting ready with your bridesmaid the

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<v Speaker 2>part of it, like with Reees, obviously you say such

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<v Speaker 2>nice things to each other, but that's the smallest part

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<v Speaker 2>of the day. You spend more time and you hear

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<v Speaker 2>all your family say lovely things about you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was more symbolic.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she wanted to reclaim the moment and not

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<v Speaker 2>shy away from it. And it's quite clear that in

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<v Speaker 2>getting over her divorce, she's been listening to a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of podcasts with people going through similar experiences, So maybe

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<v Speaker 2>she wanted to pave the path for other women to

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<v Speaker 2>not be embarrassed about it. Hey, fuck it, I'll put

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<v Speaker 2>it up there. I'll claim this moment. We'll all power

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<v Speaker 2>to her. I just don't think I could personally do it.

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<v Speaker 2>How about the part of the interview where Olivia touched

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<v Speaker 2>on future relationships, because initially she said that she was

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<v Speaker 2>so repulsed by men that she didn't want to date anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>which also speaks volumes. It's one of those sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like shady comments, not saying anything, but everyone's like, well,

0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:21.840
<v Speaker 2>obviously Justin's done something wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was surprised that she's been on a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of dates since the breakup and that no one spotted

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<v Speaker 2>her on these dates. I wonder if one of the

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<v Speaker 2>dates was with Agnew because I saw them together at

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<v Speaker 2>one of Kahan's famous target dinner party. Well, she did

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<v Speaker 2>talk about a guy that gave her the ick, that

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<v Speaker 2>talked a lot about star signs and wanted to analyze

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<v Speaker 2>her life based on her star sign and her family's

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<v Speaker 2>star signs. I feel like Olivia's got a lot in

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<v Speaker 2>common with Jesse from mass because his major ick is

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<v Speaker 2>star sign girls. So look, I can't see them together.

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest, now, I would love to hear your

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts on her ex husband Justin mckinn's response to the

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<v Speaker 2>first interview, because on Tuesday, he posted an Instagram story

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<v Speaker 2>of a photo of the couple's dog, Ziggy, and he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a wise person once said, never believe there is

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<v Speaker 2>one side to a story. I respect the dignity of

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<v Speaker 2>a broken marriage over speaking publicly. My nearest and dearest

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<v Speaker 2>know my side, and that's all that matters to me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all you ever hear from me. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>all the messages of support. I can honestly say I've

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<v Speaker 2>never been happier. It didn't take long for influencer updates

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<v Speaker 2>au to share this post that Justin made, and the

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<v Speaker 2>comments were absolutely flooded. Most people were supportive of Olivia's

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<v Speaker 2>decision to do the interview.

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<v Speaker 1>However, there were a few people.

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<v Speaker 2>Sticking up for Justin. One of those people wrote, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>actually surprised everyone is defending her. Since they separated, she

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<v Speaker 2>has been dropping snippets of the breakup whilst he has

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<v Speaker 2>stayed silent. Whether he wronged her or not, she can

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<v Speaker 2>shut the fuck up about it Without a divorce, she

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<v Speaker 2>literally has nothing to talk about now. Justin liked the

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<v Speaker 2>comment and commented underneath it word. Another person wrote why

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<v Speaker 2>is she still talking about it? Then just say why

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<v Speaker 2>and move on, which Justin approved the comment with a like.

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<v Speaker 2>A troll account also commented underneath saying because she loves

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<v Speaker 2>the attention and she is milking the breakup, which Justin

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<v Speaker 2>also liked.

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<v Speaker 1>What a complete dickhead.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I just think it really showed his true

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<v Speaker 2>colors and really did nothing for him. He's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to comment on it, but you liking

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<v Speaker 2>those comments about word That is you commenting on.

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<v Speaker 1>It exactly the other side of things.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't agree with what Justin's saying, but it would

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<v Speaker 2>be incredibly difficult if your partner had a public profile

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of friends who were in the public eye,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were able to use these podcasts to give

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<v Speaker 2>their side of events.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that Olivia was incredibly.

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<v Speaker 2>Respectful with the way she went about it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>can see his frustration of not wanting his dirty laundry

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<v Speaker 2>out there, particularly because it does seem apparent that he

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<v Speaker 2>has done the wrong thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. He's loving it.

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<v Speaker 2>He took his profile off private when all of this happened.

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<v Speaker 2>He now has a micro following of over ten thousand people.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the one fueling it by writing these comments on

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<v Speaker 2>influencer updates.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you like.

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<v Speaker 2>Olivia, I don't post, I'm sorry, but he continually posts

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<v Speaker 2>photos of him with other girls.

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<v Speaker 1>He is loving it.

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<v Speaker 2>He is clearly sharing stuff about women to get more attention.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, and I feel like his response shows that

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<v Speaker 2>he's scared what Olivia is going to come out and say.

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<v Speaker 2>And from what I'm guessing, there's a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>that she could throw them under the bus about and

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<v Speaker 2>talk about and she hasn't. I felt gas lit from

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<v Speaker 2>his comment, and I think the use of the photo

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<v Speaker 2>of their dog was kind of almost like not a

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to use wet threat, but because Olivia

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<v Speaker 2>has been allowed to see the dog a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more recently, I felt like it was a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a well, you're not seeing this dog anymore. It would

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<v Speaker 2>have been incredibly painful though, for him to listen to

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<v Speaker 2>that podcast, particularly where she was sharing that she saw

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of red flags along the way and that

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<v Speaker 2>it was difficult for her to write the wedding speech

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<v Speaker 2>and basically the day was great because of her friends

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<v Speaker 2>and not him. I wonder if he was aware of

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<v Speaker 2>that before hearing it all the podcast. Well, she did

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<v Speaker 2>say that they were in a bad space and that

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<v Speaker 2>the wedding day was good despite him. Obviously it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be quite painful to hear those things, but it

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<v Speaker 2>appears from Olivia's point of view, and again as Justin

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<v Speaker 2>said there are two sides to a story. But if

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<v Speaker 2>we are to believe what Olivia is saying, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like he was the problem. So she was noble in

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to try and fix things and look for.

0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:24.800
<v Speaker 1>The good in the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>And now, in hindsight, she's probably realized how doubtful she

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<v Speaker 2>was feeling. Maybe it wasn't an emotion that she was

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<v Speaker 2>clued into at the time. I know Justin has said

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<v Speaker 2>that this is the last you'll hear from me. It

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<v Speaker 2>sort of sounds like one of those threats put out

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<v Speaker 2>by Sophie Kaisha when she announced her a split with

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<v Speaker 2>Maddi Garrick. But do we think that he might pop

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<v Speaker 2>up on a podcast somewhere. It reminds me of when

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<v Speaker 2>Kristen Cavalieri's ex husband appeared on Sophia with an F's

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<v Speaker 2>podcast after she was on Caller Daddy. I do think

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<v Speaker 2>we will be hearing more from Justin, particularly if Olivia

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<v Speaker 2>continues to talk about the divorce, which I think she will.

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<v Speaker 2>She said that the more she's coming to terms with it,

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<v Speaker 2>the more she feels like she can speak on it

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<v Speaker 2>and help other women out. I feel like you'll pop

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<v Speaker 2>up one of those really toxic male podcasts. Jordan Simmy's

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<v Speaker 2>bringing his podcast back.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we'll hear him on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, and I don't want to sit here as well.

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<v Speaker 4>And I suppose not say anything on this topic. I

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<v Speaker 4>think the elephant in the room is for a long

0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.639
<v Speaker 4>period of time, this was my life like tanning.

0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Steph gillas Smith has been called out for contributing to

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<v Speaker 2>tanning culture after promoting sun safety on her podcast The

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<v Speaker 2>Kickpod Kate What Went Down So? On Monday's episode of

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<v Speaker 2>The Kickpod, Laura Henshaw spoke about the very sad passing

0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.080
<v Speaker 2>of suns Safety advocate Natalie for Nasia, and I really

0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:44.320
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed listening to Laura speaks so passionately on this topic.

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<v Speaker 2>She talked about how she was seeing this shift online

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<v Speaker 2>recently where people were beginning to glamorize tanning again, and

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<v Speaker 2>Laura went on to take aim at influencers who promote

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<v Speaker 2>tanning culture, saying people with followings have a responsibility to

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<v Speaker 2>their followers.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The major elephant in the was her co host, Steph

0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Claire Smith, and to her credit, she did address it,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that tanning had been a big part of her

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<v Speaker 2>life for a long.

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<v Speaker 1>Period of time. Let's row to what Steph said.

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<v Speaker 4>For the longest period of time, I would put oil

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<v Speaker 4>on my skin. I put it on my bloody face

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<v Speaker 4>because I wanted to be tanned. Right, it was an

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<v Speaker 4>aesthetic thing that I wanted to look like. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>purely what we're talking about, is the total issue of

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<v Speaker 4>not acknowledging the danger of that and not trying to

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<v Speaker 4>do better. And I can do better as well. The

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<v Speaker 4>difference now for me, I think something that really really

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<v Speaker 4>special was actually meeting Nat, and I think she taught

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<v Speaker 4>me a lot, and I am so I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 4>really because.

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<v Speaker 5>I think what's really sad about that is because tragedies

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<v Speaker 5>shouldn't have to happen to teach us simple shit like that.

0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:58.000
<v Speaker 5>It shouldn't take someone getting melanoma to whatever extent, to

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<v Speaker 5>whatever level. And then obviously the tragedy that Nat has

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<v Speaker 5>been through in that it's actually taken her life, it

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<v Speaker 5>shouldn't take that to have these sort of reminders, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Steph went on to say she knows she can do

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<v Speaker 2>better on her platform and has been more son smart

0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.680
<v Speaker 2>in her day to day life, particularly since becoming a mum.

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<v Speaker 2>She also urged others in the same position as her.

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<v Speaker 2>Not to feel guilty, but use it as a reminder

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<v Speaker 2>to do better, not just for your own body, but

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<v Speaker 2>for the people you may be influencing now. Despite Steph

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledging the negative part that she did play in tanning

0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.520
<v Speaker 2>culture on the podcast, it didn't stop her from getting

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<v Speaker 2>criticized in the show's Instagram promost so on TikTok, one

0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.640
<v Speaker 2>user wrote, love you both, but Steph has been posting

0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:42.199
<v Speaker 2>herself tanning for years, even with sunscreen. It's dangerous and

0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:46.480
<v Speaker 2>goes against everything you're saying. Another rote Orkie Steph crying.

0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:48.200
<v Speaker 1>When she's the worst in the tanning culture.

0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.639
<v Speaker 2>Another Instagram follower wrote, sorry, but Steph has been the

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<v Speaker 2>literal queen of tanning culture in the last ten years.

0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.480
<v Speaker 2>She's still posting about her son baking up to last week.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope she takes more accountability than I need to

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<v Speaker 2>do better. If you want to keep doing it, do it,

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<v Speaker 2>but please stop posting about it now. That comment received

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred and eighty three likes. Steph did respond to

0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.240
<v Speaker 2>the criticism, so she wrote, Hi, all, I just wanted

0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:12.959
<v Speaker 2>to comment to let you know I have seen all

0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.560
<v Speaker 2>of your comments and I hear you. The purpose of

0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the segment was to spread awareness to get your skin

0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.919
<v Speaker 2>checked and be sun safe. I have absolutely fucked up

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.600
<v Speaker 2>in this department time and time again. It has taken

0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:26.200
<v Speaker 2>me years to learn the seriousness of sun damage, and

0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.160
<v Speaker 2>it's taken a long time to unlearn bad habits. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to do my best to avoid sharing content that

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<v Speaker 2>contributes to tanning culture, as I understand that pictures don't

0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:36.119
<v Speaker 2>always tell the story I'm.

0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Meaning them too.

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<v Speaker 2>In my own day to day life, I practice sun

0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.800
<v Speaker 2>safety by wearing sunscreen every day no matter the weather,

0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.320
<v Speaker 2>reapplying it regularly whenever I'm in the sun, getting annual

0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.199
<v Speaker 2>skin checks, wearing hats and sunnies, and seeking shade by

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 2>the pool. I've also got a lot better at all

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<v Speaker 2>of this since having Harvey, as I want to set

0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.159
<v Speaker 2>a good example for him. I wanted to share today's

0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:57.280
<v Speaker 2>segment because it's important to me and I can see

0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the damage that passed actions of mine have done. We

0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.199
<v Speaker 2>know better, we can do better today. I know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more than I did in the past, and I

0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.680
<v Speaker 2>will do better. What do you guys think of her comments?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it sounded like she'd had help from a

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.560
<v Speaker 2>pr team to write that comment, because I think it

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.159
<v Speaker 2>was quite good, particularly when she was listing all the

0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:16.400
<v Speaker 2>sun safety things.

0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:16.879
<v Speaker 1>That she does.

0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:20.040
<v Speaker 2>I think it's incredibly tough in any circumstance to put

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<v Speaker 2>up your hand and say you've done the wrong thing,

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:23.080
<v Speaker 2>So I do commence Steph for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think why.

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<v Speaker 2>People have such an issue is that she is putting

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<v Speaker 2>up a lot of posts where she does take financial

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:33.240
<v Speaker 2>gain from sunscreen company. So she's been running these recent

0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 2>ads where she'll be using this sort of buffer brush

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 2>to buff suncream into her skin. But while she's doing it,

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 2>she is sitting out by the pool in her bikini.

0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:45.800
<v Speaker 2>She does have a shade over her, but it just

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:48.440
<v Speaker 2>sort of looks like it's playing into the whole promotion

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:51.159
<v Speaker 2>of sun tanning. Yeah. I have to admit I am

0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 2>a big fan of Steph kles Smith's but I am

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.399
<v Speaker 2>not a fan of the way she has promoted tanning

0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 2>culture in the past, and it is rather awkward that

0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:00.880
<v Speaker 2>she has done it so recently and, as you said,

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:04.240
<v Speaker 2>financially benefiting from it. I also think it would have

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:06.760
<v Speaker 2>been nice to see this post actually appear on her

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 2>feed or on her story, rather than in a comment

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 2>that can be hidden and buried down. And I did

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.240
<v Speaker 2>find it awkward because it felt like something that Laura

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:17.639
<v Speaker 2>was very passionate about and wanted to talk about, and

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:19.920
<v Speaker 2>it puts Steph in the awkward position where she did

0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:22.399
<v Speaker 2>have to call herself out. And again I appreciate that

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 2>she did put her hand up and say that she's

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:26.440
<v Speaker 2>shit about it, but it would have been better to

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.199
<v Speaker 2>see action speaking louder for words. In the lead up

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.040
<v Speaker 2>to this podcast, well, you guys quite surprised to hear

0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 2>the extent of Steph's tanning routine, in the sense that

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.119
<v Speaker 2>she was talking about how she used to put oils

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:41.920
<v Speaker 2>on her face every day, and I just it made

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:42.679
<v Speaker 2>me feel sick.

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 1>But it is hard when people aren't educated on the matter.

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:46.400
<v Speaker 1>But that's the thing.

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:49.119
<v Speaker 2>I think she was educated, Like you can't grow up

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.119
<v Speaker 2>in Australia and say you don't know the dangers of

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:53.600
<v Speaker 2>the sun. I think, as she said that she turned

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:57.000
<v Speaker 2>a blind eye to it because she is a model

0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 2>and she wanted the aesthetic look of being tanned. And

0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean it personally made me feel sick because I'm

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:05.359
<v Speaker 2>someone that is so scared of the son I follow

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Courtney Mangen and I have followed NAT's story as well,

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.480
<v Speaker 2>and I just couldn't believe when I heard that she

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:13.919
<v Speaker 2>put oil on her face. Not to judge her, but

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:15.879
<v Speaker 2>it's just something that really freaked me out because you

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 2>look at say, Deborah Not and she's been posting about

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 2>how she obviously used to not be very son smart

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:24.959
<v Speaker 2>and the dangers that she is now dealing with in

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.400
<v Speaker 2>her older age of having to have all these things

0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:29.280
<v Speaker 2>burnt off her skin. And it's not something that you

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:31.879
<v Speaker 2>just see effects of straight away, like this is something

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:34.639
<v Speaker 2>that Steph will I mean, I hope not, but something

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 2>that she may have to deal with later down the track. Yeah.

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:40.359
<v Speaker 2>I can understand the frustration from the people who listen

0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 2>to the podcast because it did seem a little bit hypocritical,

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:46.160
<v Speaker 2>But I actually think that Steph's response was great, and

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:50.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, we can't always continue to slam people, especially

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 2>when they're trying to do the right thing. Well, I

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 2>do think actions speak louder than words. And it's funny

0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 2>because I noticed her next post on Instagram was her

0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 2>and her son Harvey at the zoo and she was

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 2>wearing a hat. So it might just be small steps

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.399
<v Speaker 2>moving forward, and I do hope we see a difference

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:05.880
<v Speaker 2>on her account. I don't want to see any more

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:09.399
<v Speaker 2>tanning photos on her Instagram story. Well, as Laura said,

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 2>it's your body, you can do as you like to it.

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.959
<v Speaker 2>But what she finds incredibly disturbing is when people have

0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:18.200
<v Speaker 2>power and a following, if they're promoting doing the wrong thing.

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 2>So I think if Steph can move forward and stop

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 2>the promotion and also stop the financial gain from promoting

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.520
<v Speaker 2>different sunscreens, I think that people will be less likely

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:28.560
<v Speaker 2>to comment or criticize. Well. I think she can still

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.719
<v Speaker 2>promote sunscreens, but promote them properly and not promote them

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.600
<v Speaker 2>as something that will allow you to tan. I do

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>wonder if Laura Henshaw actually called Steph Klesmith out, because again,

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:41.200
<v Speaker 2>she seemed really passionate about it, and I think they

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.480
<v Speaker 2>have that friendship where they could call each other out

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 2>and say you need to do better.

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:46.679
<v Speaker 1>Maybe what.

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:50.440
<v Speaker 2>We just want to be normal people.

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 3>This attention, it's so hard.

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Chloe Zepp has shocked and repulsed much of the Internet

0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:59.159
<v Speaker 2>by posting a series of stories showing her baby daddy

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:03.879
<v Speaker 2>Mitch Orville, inspecting his bumhole for worms or hemorrhoids. The

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 2>attention seeking posts come as the couple reveal only fifty

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 2>percent of their upcoming retreat has been sold. Sophy, I

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 2>couldn't believe what I.

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Was seeing when this popped up in my newsfeed.

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 2>I quite honestly felt sick to my stomach after seeing

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 2>these series of stories. And in the first Instagram story,

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.439
<v Speaker 2>we see Mitch lying on his bed with his legs

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 2>in the air and these Peter Alexander themed Christmas pajamas

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:32.160
<v Speaker 2>wrapped around his ankles, and thankfully his bumhole had been

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 2>strategically cut out.

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Of the photo.

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 2>And it is the word bumhole like that just so.

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Mitch had this expression on his face that I just

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 2>can't seem to get out of my head. It was

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 2>almost this childlike glee in the photo and in the caption,

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:50.439
<v Speaker 2>Chloe wrote, I have three children currently putting baby powder

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 2>on Mitch Orvil's asshole now. In the next Instagram story,

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Chloe then filmed Mitch in the couple's on suite, lying

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.399
<v Speaker 2>on the bathroom floor, legs up in the air, again

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:06.239
<v Speaker 2>shaving his bumhole area. Chloe then proceeded to put up

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 2>a pole asking followers to guess whether Mitch had worms

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>or hemorrhoids. A follower then wrote in saying that Mitch

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 2>should ice the area so as you do. Chloe then

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 2>showed a video of Mitch icing his bumhole on the

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 2>couple's bed, whilst he remarked that it feels like.

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:24.040
<v Speaker 1>He's coloring his bumhole.

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Can listeners take a shot every time Savie says bumhole?

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Drunk waker? All I can think of is a South Park.

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:35.199
<v Speaker 2>We want privacy, we want privacy, we want privacy. Of

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>course you're referencing the Megan macle and Harry Prince Harry payout.

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 2>They've called for privacy for so long, and next minute

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 2>they're putting up a video of him icing and shaving

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.520
<v Speaker 2>his bum Why did you need to shave it? I

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 2>just can't get over the image of this ice cube

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>melting with someone's bumhole juice on the bed that you

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 2>sleep on.

0:28:56.480 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Stop bumbhole. It's disgusting. The whole thing's disgusting.

0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 2>It is, quite honestly, the most bizarre and disgusting thing

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 2>I think I've ever seen shared online.

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm here for it, though you're here for I don't

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 1>want to know about it. I'd rather have that content

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 1>than all the anti vaxx chick.

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>I just think it was next level, and I feel

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 2>like it was put out there for pure shock value.

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 1>And I don't.

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Understand why this content wasn't removed. Without a doubt, it

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>would have been reported. A number of people in our

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 2>group mentioned that they had reported it. Surely people aren't

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 2>seeing this content and then going, oh my god, I

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 2>want to spend all this money on going a retreat.

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 1>With these guys.

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they're looking for new sponsors a hemorrhoid cream cone

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:37.800
<v Speaker 2>or one of those donut blow up things on. But

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the more content that you put out there, the more

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 2>views you get, the more engagement that is driven. I

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 2>think that they're ultimately doing it for money, because if

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 2>you think about it, when Mitch had this big hiatus

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 2>from Instagram, his engagement rate would have absolutely plummeted. So

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 2>they're now having to do all these attention seeking things

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 2>to get eyeballs back on their page, and it's because

0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 2>they want to sell this retreat.

0:29:59.320 --> 0:29:59.480
<v Speaker 4>Well.

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I think it's very on brand for Mitsch through something

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>like this, like he's known for being a prankster, and

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 2>also they are pretty relatable, so maybe that's also playing

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>into that a little bit. But yes this retreat. Chloe

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 2>announced that fifty percent of the tickets have not been sold,

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 2>and they have been promoting this retreat for a number

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 2>of weeks. Now. Generally there's so much hype, whether it's

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 2>genuine or not, over these events that it seems to

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 2>sell out very quickly, so it's interesting to see that

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 2>the numbers are so low. The retreat is only a

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 2>month away as well, so it'd be interesting to see

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>what other attention seeking posts that they get out there

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>to try and attract some attention towards their page. Now,

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 2>the tickets do cost between two one hundred and fifty

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 2>dollars to two thousand and seven ninety for the four

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 2>night retreat, and Chloe did share a post revealing exactly

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>what is included at this retreat, and some of the

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 2>most notable features which I could see were things like

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 2>learning to surf at Noose's iconic beach, challenging yourself with

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 2>group games, exploring Hastings street cafes and shops, and.

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>You can't forget yet the free Wi Fi.

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<v Speaker 2>This addition of Wi Fi cracks me up because this

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 2>inclusion makes it quite clear that they're trying to beef

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<v Speaker 2>up these offerings. Wow, I mean, if that's the best

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<v Speaker 2>they can do, I'm surprised there's not like a Chloe

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Zep smoothie thrown in from the beach shack.

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>They've got a new stock left or whatever their shop

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>was called.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, on this promotion they also reference strength and

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 2>conditioning daily workouts with Chloe and Mitch. Now I do

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 2>wonder is a qualified instructor through Journey retreats going to

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 2>be taking these classes or are they referring that Chloe

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 2>and Mitchell qualified strength and conditioning coaches because they definitely

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 2>are not.

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know that they are into fitness. They

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 2>have Kick trainer Danny Kennedy as their own personal trainers,

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think that means that they're qualified to

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<v Speaker 2>then be offering strength and conditioning advice to a group

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 2>of paying customers. It'd be interesting to see what happens

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 2>in terms of that. Look, I don't think they're qualified

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 2>to do much that they're offering, other than maybe taking

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 2>the people out to.

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Cafes on hasting streets perhaps.

0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they did have a failed cafe too.

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>So perhaps what to do get a hemorrhoid?

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, that might be in the course, Well, they

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 2>put a Q and a box out for that as well. Now,

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 2>this attention seeking posting has continued.

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>So today Mitch shared a photo of a variety of.

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Condoms on a supermarket shelf and in the comment, he wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>taking no more risks. Haven't been to the cinemas in

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 2>two point five years. Now. This comes just weeks after

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Mitch shared a grocery list which revealed that Chloe was

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 2>buying a pregnancy test.

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>So what does this all mean?

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Because it's interesting he mentions the cinema because there was

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 2>an ongoing joke about him being relegated to the movie

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 2>room when things weren't going well in his relationship with

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 2>him and Chloe. I don't quite get it though, because

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 2>he said he hasn't been in the cinema for two

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 2>and a half years. I think is he referring that

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 2>he's going to the movies, He's going to have sex

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 2>with Chloe in the movie theater. I feel like there

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 2>is some reference towards his movie room.

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 2>I went to have a look back at when they

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 2>actually sold their house, and it was a year ago

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 2>now that they sold the house. So it doesn't add

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 2>up that he's been out of that movie room for

0:32:57.720 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 2>two and a half years. It's a very odd comment

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 2>and it is one that's going to generate engagement on

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 2>his page. I wonder what else he'll be sharing in

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 2>the coming weeks to try and generate.

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Those ticket sales.

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 2>If anyone has worked out what this comment means in

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 2>our Facebook group, please share with us, because I feel

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 2>like it's gone over our heads a little bit. How

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 2>dare you, sir?

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 4>My Instagram loving wife there's always wanted her rathers there.

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 2>This week, UK superstar Harry Starles did a showy live

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 2>on stage during his first leg of his Australian tour

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 2>in Perth. Now, for any international listeners who might not

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 2>know what a showy is, it is a cult ossie

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 2>drinking tradition. So basically you pull your drink, which in

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>most cases is a beer, into your own shoe or

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>someone else's shoe and quickly chug it down in one go.

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Now, it appears that medical professionals.

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Are now concerned that due to the popularity of the showy,

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 2>more and more people are coming down with a bad

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 2>case of gastro.

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 1>How many people are doing shoeyes each day?

0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 2>And are medical professionals really concerned about this or is

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 2>this faux concern to create a clickbait article about Harry

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Styles and shoeies. Yeah, I definitely think it's something that's

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 2>been drummed up by newspapers, particularly those in Perth. So

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 2>adopted by the name of Vincent Hoe told the newspaper

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 2>that whilst the shoey is popular, it's not the safest,

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 2>almost hygienic way to neck a beer. No shit, really, Yeah,

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 2>he said there's potential risks of infection and getting gastro

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 2>so shoey related gas story isn't unfounded either. So he

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 2>has a lot of research that shows that different alcohol

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 2>helps or hinders bacteria living in our shoe. So for instance,

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 2>drinks like sparkling wine or champagne can encourage more bacteria

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 2>to grow due to sugar yeast and the fermentation process.

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 2>Who's really doing shoeies with champagne though it's usually beer. Well,

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the F one drivers when they win,

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 2>they'll do a shoey with champagne, so it has been

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 2>seen to happen. This just reminds me of a story

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 2>I would have done when I was working at seven

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 2>News on the weekend, because we used to do ones

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>all the time. It was like about the risk of

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.840
<v Speaker 2>waste trainers and all this come up with something around.

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Harry Styles also saw the news were running a story

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 2>about the apparent dangers of Logan, Paul and Kosi's new

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 2>drink because it obviously got so much media attention.

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>What's a new drink.

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 2>It's this energy drink and they were saying that it's

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:12.760
<v Speaker 2>got way too much.

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Caffeine in it.

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:15.879
<v Speaker 2>You're like, Amy, been there, done that. Yeah.

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I was just say this was literally my own story.

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I saw Adelaide News did it, and it was like

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 2>all the doctors that I used to interview for my

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 2>story was ten years ago.

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was my story. I did a st Yeah

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 1>that was drink and energy drinks.

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one of your stories. I can't Yeah, No, I

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 2>actually think that was quite a good story. I think

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that it's good that the news is tapping into social

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:38.200
<v Speaker 2>media interests and when they're creating drinks, particularly like this,

0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 2>that are dangerous for children.

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I think the Shiwy is more of a beat up.

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but in twenty twenty three, a parent's really unaware

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 2>that energy drinks aren't good for their kids. I remember

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 2>back in the day when you guys covered the story

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.399
<v Speaker 2>that it was a bit of a shock because I

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 2>remember when we went to our school discos when we

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 2>were ten, they were handing our energy drinks because I

0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 2>think parents just thought they were like soft drinks. Well,

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 2>the issue with this is they're saying that it has

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 2>double the legal amount of caffeine that you're allowed to

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 2>have and a drink in Australia.

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 1>So that's the issue with it. And that's the thing.

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 2>These cans of drink can be dressed up to look

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 2>like their soft drinks, so parents may not be aware.

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 2>So I think that was actually an important story. Well,

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 2>I am really thirsty because it's forty degrees in Adelaide

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 2>here today. I had to beg amy to turn the

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 2>air conditioning on. So let's wrap things up. This podcast

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