1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: Coming up. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 2: On today's show, Olivia Rodgers opens up about why she 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: ended her marriage. Steph Clare Smith breaks down on her podcast, 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: admitting she contributed to tanning culture, Chloe Zepp and Mitch 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: Orble's string of attention seeking posts as ticket sales dwindled 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: for their retreat, and doctors warn about the dangers of 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: shoeies after Harry Styles tries the Aussie cult drinking tradition. 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm Kate Torbert and it's nice to have you guys back. 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: You have been on a business trip in Sydney. It 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: was only for one night, but it felt a lot longer. 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 2: I know. When we touched down last night, Sophie was like, 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: can you believe we flew out yesterday morning? And it 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: was unbelievable. Fit so much in so we were over 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: for a big press conference and we were so busy, 17 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: so we wouldn't even really have time to eat over there. Yeah, 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: I was wrecked by the end of it. We rocked 19 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: up to the airport looking like absolute slobs, because you know, 20 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: when you've just been in business clothes all day, and 21 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: we saw some of our colleagues at the airport. They're like, 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: you guys tired. I feel like we looked absolutely correcked. 23 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,919 Speaker 2: And I am not a good traveler, As I mentioned, 24 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: I'm a very nervous flyer. Poor Amy really took on 25 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: the role as my parent because this is the first 26 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: time that I've traveled in four years, and I had 27 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: forgotten what to do. And also I feel like the 28 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: airport has become more high tech. I love it because 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: so if we're so clueless. She didn't even know where 30 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: you collect your bags from. She started walking towards the 31 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: Rex carousel, and I'm like, we flew quantous. Well, that 32 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: hasn't changed, that's not something new. I lovesovie goes. I 33 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: think I've forgotten. I don't think you ever knew you'd 34 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: never flown by yourself. I'm not very savvy with traveling 35 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: because I've either traveled in a group or with a 36 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: partner before, and I sort of just follow what they're doing. 37 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: And I think I was punished. 38 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: Because after these two huge days, we finally get home, 39 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: get to the area where you pick up your bags, 40 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: and we wait and my bag claim baggage claim. Yes, see, 41 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: I don't even I can't even think of the name 42 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: of it. Anyway, and my bag sadly didn't make the flight. 43 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: And Amy's theory is that I was trusted in doing 44 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: one thing, putting the tags on the bag, and she 45 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: thinks that they might have fallen off. I don't know, Yeah, 46 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 2: she was, you know, when you peel off the thing. 47 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: It was all very confusing for Sophie. I trusted her 48 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: to do her own bag. On the way back. It 49 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: was funny because we were actually having family dinner at 50 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: Mum and Dad's house and we were all waiting for 51 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: Amy and Sophie to arrive, and we got a message 52 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: saying that Sophie's bag had been lost, and Dale goes, geez, 53 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna bet we're not gonna hear. 54 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: Much about. 55 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but my makeup, my hair strained, all of 56 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: my nice clothes were in this bag, and I was your. 57 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: Credit card, wasn't it? Yes? My credit Sorry, yes, that 58 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: was probably more the. 59 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: Credit card or debit card in their bag that they're 60 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: checking in. I feel like we're touching on one of 61 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 2: the low lights of the trip, but I think one 62 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: of the highlights was getting to see one of our clients, 63 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: Christa Villich. So she featured on Real Housewives of Sydney 64 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: and it was just hilarious because she greeted us with 65 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: her puppy, which is this beautiful chiava called Charlie, and 66 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: she's like, girls, what can I get you? 67 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: And it's just like. 68 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: I've never gone into someone's house and the first thing 69 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 2: they've offered is a champagne. It felt very Real Housewives 70 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: of Sydney. Well, the next offering was beer, so her 71 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 2: husband's like, an hour later, are you sure you don't 72 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: want to beer? And Amy put up a few photos 73 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: of their new kitten, which is called Ziggy and it's 74 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: a Bengal cat and we were literally inundated with messages 75 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: of people thinking that it was actually a leopard. It's 76 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 2: funny you say that, because I was on TikTok after 77 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: these messages had come through and there was a woman 78 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: that actually lived with a African big cat, and I 79 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: was like, that's weird. Thof, she definitely didn't have a leopard. 80 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 3: It was not like this momentous thing that was going 81 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: to suddenly like heal everything. 82 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: Olivia Rodgers has broken her silence on why her marriage 83 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: ended with Justin mckehan. The former Miss Universe Australia, spoke 84 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: candidly on two of Australia's biggest podcasts, labeling the relationship 85 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: toxic with big problems. Now, Sophie, before we get into it, 86 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: I know we've spoken a lot about Olivia and Justin's breakup, 87 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: but can you please give listeners a quick summary on 88 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: what's been going on. Yeah, so, the couple had been 89 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: married for just seven months when Olivia announced the split 90 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: in October last year, and there was a lot of 91 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: public interest in their wedding, with Olivia sharing a lot 92 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: of content pre and post the wedding. 93 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: So since the split, the. 94 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: Couple's dog, Ziggy, has been in the middle of the conflict, 95 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: so Justin took full custody of the dog, much to 96 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: Olivia's upset. Until now, Olivia and Justin have kept quiet 97 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: on what caused the breakup. Olivia has made a few 98 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 2: cryptic comments on social media in the past, but it 99 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: is still unclear what actually happened. As for Olivia's podcast interview, 100 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: she first appeared on The Life Uncut podcast on Tuesday, 101 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: and then on Thursday on Happy Hour with Lucy and 102 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: Nicky Kate, were you surprised by Olivia's podcast of choice? Well, 103 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: I always thought Olivia would discuss her divorce on a podcast. 104 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: I think it was only a matter of time, and 105 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: I think it's a really good platform for her because 106 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: she is so articulate and likable, and back when the 107 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: news first broke, we did predict she would do a 108 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: tell all interview. However, I thought it would be on 109 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: show Aless. She is friends with the Hostsara and Michelle, 110 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: and it's also the target market that would be very 111 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: interested in the story. Of course, though Shameless don't do 112 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: their in conversation episodes anymore, so they would have had 113 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: to do a bit of a special I alternatively thought 114 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: that Tully smythe may resurrect her podcast too much Tully 115 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: for the occasion, because they're also friends. I do think 116 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: though maybe being interviewed on those two platforms would have 117 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: come across as a little bit biased. Though yeah, I 118 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,119 Speaker 2: feel like it would have been a bit too close 119 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: to home. I think it was a stroke of genius 120 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: going on Life on Cut because it is arguably the 121 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: biggest female podcast in Australia and it has such good 122 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: reach and people love Britain Laura. I think in terms 123 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: of shameless, they would have wanted to distance themselves from 124 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: this topic. When the news broke of Olivia and Justin's divorce, 125 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: they did a tiny topic on it, but reiterated that 126 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: they were friends with Olivia. So it's difficult for them 127 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: to comment, and I think because they have copped a 128 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: lot of criticism about being friends with influencers, it's not 129 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: something that they would have wanted to delve into, particularly 130 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: because they don't have the interview forma anymore, so they 131 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 2: wouldn't have wanted to. 132 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: Bring out this special interview segment. 133 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: I mean, of course, Olivia was always welcome to be 134 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: on outspoke of the podcast. I was surprised though, when 135 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: the second interview dropped on Happy Hour with Lucy and NICKI. 136 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: I know it's not necessarily right, but I do feel 137 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 2: like when someone like Olivia comes out and talks about 138 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: these issues that she's had, everyone is all up and 139 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: about and really supportive. But then as time goes on 140 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: and that person talks more and more about it and 141 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: becomes sort of overexposed, people then lash out and be like, 142 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: shut up, stop talking about it. So I was concerned 143 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: that this second interview might have been too much in 144 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 2: a short space of time. I noticed last week that 145 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: Life on Cut got the exclusive with Rebel Wilson right 146 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: before she was on call her daddy, So I wondered, 147 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: what was the timing of these interviews. Yeah, I was 148 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 2: wondering how that scheduling went and if Life on Cut 149 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: was given exclusively first and then Happy Hour or allowed 150 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: to air at second. The timing was very interesting. I 151 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: felt like she gave more details away on Life onun Cut. Yeah, 152 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: I think there was a lot more juicier information on that. 153 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: I suppose because we were then hearing Happy Hour. Second, 154 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: it felt like we'd heard a lot already from what 155 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: Olivia said. I mean, there were still interesting points in 156 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: both interviews. I felt Life on Cut we're pretty clever 157 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: framing it around the issue of identity, not just like here, 158 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: you know, we're all here for this blow by blow. 159 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: Of the breakup. 160 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: Look, we were all clearly there for the tea. But 161 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: surrounding it around this identity was very clever because it 162 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: made you feel almost less guilty for wanting to know. 163 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: And I did like the fact that Britt and Laura 164 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: sort of said, you know, oh, we were all sort 165 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: of discussing what had happened, only because we were looking 166 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: out for you, you know what I mean. Like, I 167 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: loved how everyone behind the scenes was like, what the 168 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: fuck has happened? I felt kind of bad for Britain, Laura, 169 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: because I felt like they almost put their foot in 170 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: a few times sort of discussing that. Like it was 171 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: clear that they were all just as you said, talking 172 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: about it, but then they're like, oh, fuck, oh that 173 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: would make. 174 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: Us look bad in front of Olivia. 175 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: It was when Olivia mentioned that it had been a 176 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: year or she marked a year since her. 177 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: Wedding, and then Britt was. 178 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: Like, oh do we say congrats that, Miles? And I'm 179 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: not sure you could tell after she said that she 180 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: instantly regretted it. 181 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 182 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: Well, let's get into the juicy parts of the interview. 183 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: And for me, I found the discussion around Olivia and 184 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: Justin's wedding so fascinating. So I was one of those 185 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: people that was very invested in their wedding as I 186 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: was planning for my own. And to be honest, even 187 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: if I wasn't, I would have been invested in this wedding. 188 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: And I remember being so excited to see photos and 189 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: was blown away how amazing it all looked. It literally 190 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: looked like the perfect wedding Pinterest. 191 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 5: Boy. 192 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys didn't shut up about it. 193 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 2: I remember you were like just checking you get refreshing Instagram, 194 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: and then people were all in the groups. 195 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: Trying to find out what was happening. 196 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: I think it was also because they seemed like the 197 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: perfect couple. I would always look in at their life 198 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: and they were always going to exciting events, they were 199 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: renovating their house together, and this wedding just cemented that. 200 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: It looked like the perfect fairy tale. Yeah, and I 201 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: think that's why it was so shocking, even though we 202 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: know that they've broken up now and that perfect life 203 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: mustn't have been true, But it was still really hard 204 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: to hear that. Olivia said that they weren't in a 205 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: good place when they got married, and it was really 206 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: challenging for her to actually write her wedding vows. And 207 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: it shows you you really just can't trust what you 208 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 2: see on Instagram. You don't know what's going on behind 209 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: closed doors. It sounded like Olivia also got caught up 210 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 2: in all of the hype around her own wedding. Yeah, 211 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 2: well that was another part I found really interesting because 212 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: Olivia was talking about how she had doubts leading into 213 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: the wedding and also around the actual proposal, but she 214 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 2: felt this intense pressure to go through with the wedding. 215 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: Let's go to what she said. 216 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: I felt like that was also a massive call to 217 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: make so I kind of just forced all those feelings 218 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: down and just was like, Okay, no, I'm doing this. 219 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: I've made my mind up and I'm going to stick 220 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: it out. 221 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: Well, you guys say that she got caught up in 222 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: the hype, but I think it was also a distraction. 223 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: She did mention that she did focus on the wedding 224 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: because it was something positive and she thought that maybe 225 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: it was a bit of a band aid, maybe things 226 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: would be different once they got married. I thought it 227 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: was sad because she insinuated that justin proposing and also 228 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: the wedding was sort of a signal that he was 229 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: choosing her. Yeah. I found that sort of rhetoric really 230 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: interesting because I found it quite obvious that Olivia must 231 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 2: have told Britain Laura the full story, and there were 232 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: little bits of information that they would drop which kind 233 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: of pointed to potentially infidelity or this big moment that 234 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: happened where Olivia couldn't take any more on board. So 235 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: I feel like while they didn't say what has happened, 236 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: it does have a few light bulb moments for me, thinking, well, 237 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: it was definitely implied well, even when she recalled the 238 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: story of ringing her dad up and asking him should 239 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: I stick it out for a year so that it 240 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: doesn't look as bad and he said back to her, no, 241 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: I think if you end it now, people will realize 242 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: that something has gone on for this to have to 243 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: finish so quickly. Yeah. And I think it was a 244 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: shock to hear how miserable she was and was at 245 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 2: the time still doing fertility treatments up until the day 246 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: they broke up. It must have been something very ears 247 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: for her to go, hang on, I've got a counsel disappointment. 248 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: That was the most heartbreaking part of this interview because 249 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: it's so clear how eager Olivia was to be a mum. 250 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 2: And I think that she also saw it as a 251 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: solution to their relationship because it would be a different dynamic, 252 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: it would add stability to their relationship. But it's so 253 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: lucky that she didn't go down that path and was 254 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: brave enough to end the relationship when she did. Now 255 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: I also enjoyed hearing about the Olivia edit of her 256 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: wedding video, so we heard a bit about how that 257 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: actually eventuated. So Olivia explained that when the news of 258 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: her breakup emerged, the wedding videographers stopped editing the video, 259 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: and a month later they asked Olivia if she still 260 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: wanted them to complete it, and she said, well, she 261 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: kind of wanted to see the footage, which I can understand, 262 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: like you've put all this effort into this wedding, you'd 263 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: still want to see it. So she ended up getting 264 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: the video email through to her one night when she 265 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: was alone watching TV, and she said, of course, she 266 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: watched it as you would. And she said that funnily enough, 267 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 2: she wasn't getting upset when she saw her and ex 268 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 2: together and happy moments, but it was more the moments 269 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: with her family doing speeches, and she wanted to, I 270 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: suppose immortalize those and keep them as a special memory. 271 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: So she went back to the videographer and said, look, 272 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: can I pay you to create a version that doesn't 273 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: have her X in it so she can keep it 274 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: for herself. I did find This element interesting because she 275 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: said that the videographers straight away responded and said, yes, 276 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: that's a great idea, but don't worry about paying her. 277 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: So I feel like there must have been an obligation 278 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: for Olivia to end up posting this video. Oh, I 279 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: don't know if that's the case. I think that the 280 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: videographer would have known the reach and also the reaction 281 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 2: that was going to be caused by. 282 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: The eligator, which would cause no But. 283 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: I think that they just did it so that they 284 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: could get some publicity around so do I exactly? So, 285 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: I think that's why they offered it for free, and 286 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: Olivia was obligated to post it because if it was 287 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: just something that you wanted to keep private for you 288 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: and your family, what's the point of sharing it online. 289 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: But to me, it sounded like Olivia was saying she 290 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: wanted to share it so others could see. You know, 291 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: you don't have to have a man like this is 292 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: her sort of statement that she enjoyed the day. This 293 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: is about her and her family, and she's not going 294 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: to sort of shy away from it for someone. I 295 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: actually got my wedding video, like my speeches and my 296 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: ceremony back. I don't know if I could possibly ask 297 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: the videographer and edit, Like I don't know if I 298 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: broke up with Reese, I don't think i'd want to 299 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: see it again. But after going to your wedding, so 300 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: much of the day is actually spent with your family 301 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: during the day and getting ready with your bridesmaid the 302 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: part of it, like with Reees, obviously you say such 303 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: nice things to each other, but that's the smallest part 304 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: of the day. You spend more time and you hear 305 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: all your family say lovely things about you. 306 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: I think it was more symbolic. 307 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: I think she wanted to reclaim the moment and not 308 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: shy away from it. And it's quite clear that in 309 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: getting over her divorce, she's been listening to a lot 310 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: of podcasts with people going through similar experiences, So maybe 311 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: she wanted to pave the path for other women to 312 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: not be embarrassed about it. Hey, fuck it, I'll put 313 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 2: it up there. I'll claim this moment. We'll all power 314 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 2: to her. I just don't think I could personally do it. 315 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: How about the part of the interview where Olivia touched 316 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: on future relationships, because initially she said that she was 317 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: so repulsed by men that she didn't want to date anyway, 318 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: which also speaks volumes. It's one of those sort of 319 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: like shady comments, not saying anything, but everyone's like, well, 320 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 2: obviously Justin's done something wrong. 321 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 322 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: And I was surprised that she's been on a couple 323 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: of dates since the breakup and that no one spotted 324 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: her on these dates. I wonder if one of the 325 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: dates was with Agnew because I saw them together at 326 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: one of Kahan's famous target dinner party. Well, she did 327 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: talk about a guy that gave her the ick, that 328 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: talked a lot about star signs and wanted to analyze 329 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: her life based on her star sign and her family's 330 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: star signs. I feel like Olivia's got a lot in 331 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: common with Jesse from mass because his major ick is 332 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: star sign girls. So look, I can't see them together. 333 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: To be honest, now, I would love to hear your 334 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: thoughts on her ex husband Justin mckinn's response to the 335 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: first interview, because on Tuesday, he posted an Instagram story 336 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: of a photo of the couple's dog, Ziggy, and he 337 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: wrote a wise person once said, never believe there is 338 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: one side to a story. I respect the dignity of 339 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: a broken marriage over speaking publicly. My nearest and dearest 340 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: know my side, and that's all that matters to me. 341 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: That's all you ever hear from me. Thank you for 342 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: all the messages of support. I can honestly say I've 343 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: never been happier. It didn't take long for influencer updates 344 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: au to share this post that Justin made, and the 345 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: comments were absolutely flooded. Most people were supportive of Olivia's 346 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: decision to do the interview. 347 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: However, there were a few people. 348 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: Sticking up for Justin. One of those people wrote, I'm 349 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: actually surprised everyone is defending her. Since they separated, she 350 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: has been dropping snippets of the breakup whilst he has 351 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: stayed silent. Whether he wronged her or not, she can 352 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: shut the fuck up about it Without a divorce, she 353 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 2: literally has nothing to talk about now. Justin liked the 354 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: comment and commented underneath it word. Another person wrote why 355 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: is she still talking about it? Then just say why 356 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: and move on, which Justin approved the comment with a like. 357 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: A troll account also commented underneath saying because she loves 358 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: the attention and she is milking the breakup, which Justin 359 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: also liked. 360 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: What a complete dickhead. 361 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: I know. I just think it really showed his true 362 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: colors and really did nothing for him. He's like, oh, 363 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment on it, but you liking 364 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: those comments about word That is you commenting on. 365 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: It exactly the other side of things. 366 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: I don't agree with what Justin's saying, but it would 367 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: be incredibly difficult if your partner had a public profile 368 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: and a lot of friends who were in the public eye, 369 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: and they were able to use these podcasts to give 370 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: their side of events. 371 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: I do think that Olivia was incredibly. 372 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: Respectful with the way she went about it, but I 373 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: can see his frustration of not wanting his dirty laundry 374 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: out there, particularly because it does seem apparent that he 375 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: has done the wrong thing. 376 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. He's loving it. 377 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: He took his profile off private when all of this happened. 378 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: He now has a micro following of over ten thousand people. 379 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: He's the one fueling it by writing these comments on 380 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: influencer updates. 381 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: Are you like. 382 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: Olivia, I don't post, I'm sorry, but he continually posts 383 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 2: photos of him with other girls. 384 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: He is loving it. 385 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: He is clearly sharing stuff about women to get more attention. 386 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 387 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 2: It's true, and I feel like his response shows that 388 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: he's scared what Olivia is going to come out and say. 389 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: And from what I'm guessing, there's a lot of things 390 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 2: that she could throw them under the bus about and 391 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: talk about and she hasn't. I felt gas lit from 392 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 2: his comment, and I think the use of the photo 393 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: of their dog was kind of almost like not a 394 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to use wet threat, but because Olivia 395 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: has been allowed to see the dog a little bit 396 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 2: more recently, I felt like it was a bit of 397 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: a well, you're not seeing this dog anymore. It would 398 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: have been incredibly painful though, for him to listen to 399 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: that podcast, particularly where she was sharing that she saw 400 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: a lot of red flags along the way and that 401 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: it was difficult for her to write the wedding speech 402 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: and basically the day was great because of her friends 403 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 2: and not him. I wonder if he was aware of 404 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 2: that before hearing it all the podcast. Well, she did 405 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 2: say that they were in a bad space and that 406 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 2: the wedding day was good despite him. Obviously it's going 407 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: to be quite painful to hear those things, but it 408 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: appears from Olivia's point of view, and again as Justin 409 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 2: said there are two sides to a story. But if 410 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 2: we are to believe what Olivia is saying, it seems 411 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: like he was the problem. So she was noble in 412 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 2: wanting to try and fix things and look for. 413 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: The good in the situation. 414 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: And now, in hindsight, she's probably realized how doubtful she 415 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: was feeling. Maybe it wasn't an emotion that she was 416 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 2: clued into at the time. I know Justin has said 417 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: that this is the last you'll hear from me. It 418 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: sort of sounds like one of those threats put out 419 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: by Sophie Kaisha when she announced her a split with 420 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: Maddi Garrick. But do we think that he might pop 421 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: up on a podcast somewhere. It reminds me of when 422 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: Kristen Cavalieri's ex husband appeared on Sophia with an F's 423 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: podcast after she was on Caller Daddy. I do think 424 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: we will be hearing more from Justin, particularly if Olivia 425 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: continues to talk about the divorce, which I think she will. 426 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: She said that the more she's coming to terms with it, 427 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: the more she feels like she can speak on it 428 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 2: and help other women out. I feel like you'll pop 429 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: up one of those really toxic male podcasts. Jordan Simmy's 430 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 2: bringing his podcast back. 431 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll hear him on that. 432 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 433 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 4: No, and I don't want to sit here as well. 434 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 4: And I suppose not say anything on this topic. I 435 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 4: think the elephant in the room is for a long 436 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 4: period of time, this was my life like tanning. 437 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: Steph gillas Smith has been called out for contributing to 438 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: tanning culture after promoting sun safety on her podcast The 439 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 2: Kickpod Kate What Went Down So? On Monday's episode of 440 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: The Kickpod, Laura Henshaw spoke about the very sad passing 441 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: of suns Safety advocate Natalie for Nasia, and I really 442 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: enjoyed listening to Laura speaks so passionately on this topic. 443 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: She talked about how she was seeing this shift online 444 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: recently where people were beginning to glamorize tanning again, and 445 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 2: Laura went on to take aim at influencers who promote 446 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: tanning culture, saying people with followings have a responsibility to 447 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 2: their followers. 448 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: Now. 449 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: The major elephant in the was her co host, Steph 450 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: Claire Smith, and to her credit, she did address it, 451 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: saying that tanning had been a big part of her 452 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: life for a long. 453 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: Period of time. Let's row to what Steph said. 454 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 4: For the longest period of time, I would put oil 455 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 4: on my skin. I put it on my bloody face 456 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 4: because I wanted to be tanned. Right, it was an 457 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 4: aesthetic thing that I wanted to look like. And that's 458 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 4: purely what we're talking about, is the total issue of 459 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: not acknowledging the danger of that and not trying to 460 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 4: do better. And I can do better as well. The 461 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 4: difference now for me, I think something that really really 462 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 4: special was actually meeting Nat, and I think she taught 463 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: me a lot, and I am so I'm gonna get 464 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 4: really because. 465 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 5: I think what's really sad about that is because tragedies 466 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 5: shouldn't have to happen to teach us simple shit like that. 467 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 5: It shouldn't take someone getting melanoma to whatever extent, to 468 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 5: whatever level. And then obviously the tragedy that Nat has 469 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 5: been through in that it's actually taken her life, it 470 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 5: shouldn't take that to have these sort of reminders, right. 471 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 2: Steph went on to say she knows she can do 472 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 2: better on her platform and has been more son smart 473 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 2: in her day to day life, particularly since becoming a mum. 474 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 2: She also urged others in the same position as her. 475 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: Not to feel guilty, but use it as a reminder 476 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: to do better, not just for your own body, but 477 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: for the people you may be influencing now. Despite Steph 478 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: acknowledging the negative part that she did play in tanning 479 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: culture on the podcast, it didn't stop her from getting 480 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 2: criticized in the show's Instagram promost so on TikTok, one 481 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 2: user wrote, love you both, but Steph has been posting 482 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 2: herself tanning for years, even with sunscreen. It's dangerous and 483 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: goes against everything you're saying. Another rote Orkie Steph crying. 484 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: When she's the worst in the tanning culture. 485 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 2: Another Instagram follower wrote, sorry, but Steph has been the 486 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: literal queen of tanning culture in the last ten years. 487 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: She's still posting about her son baking up to last week. 488 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: I hope she takes more accountability than I need to 489 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 2: do better. If you want to keep doing it, do it, 490 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: but please stop posting about it now. That comment received 491 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: five hundred and eighty three likes. Steph did respond to 492 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: the criticism, so she wrote, Hi, all, I just wanted 493 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 2: to comment to let you know I have seen all 494 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: of your comments and I hear you. The purpose of 495 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: the segment was to spread awareness to get your skin 496 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 2: checked and be sun safe. I have absolutely fucked up 497 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: in this department time and time again. It has taken 498 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 2: me years to learn the seriousness of sun damage, and 499 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 2: it's taken a long time to unlearn bad habits. I'm 500 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 2: going to do my best to avoid sharing content that 501 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: contributes to tanning culture, as I understand that pictures don't 502 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 2: always tell the story I'm. 503 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: Meaning them too. 504 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: In my own day to day life, I practice sun 505 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: safety by wearing sunscreen every day no matter the weather, 506 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: reapplying it regularly whenever I'm in the sun, getting annual 507 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 2: skin checks, wearing hats and sunnies, and seeking shade by 508 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: the pool. I've also got a lot better at all 509 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: of this since having Harvey, as I want to set 510 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 2: a good example for him. I wanted to share today's 511 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: segment because it's important to me and I can see 512 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: the damage that passed actions of mine have done. We 513 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 2: know better, we can do better today. I know a 514 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: lot more than I did in the past, and I 515 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 2: will do better. What do you guys think of her comments? 516 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: I thought it sounded like she'd had help from a 517 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: pr team to write that comment, because I think it 518 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 2: was quite good, particularly when she was listing all the 519 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: sun safety things. 520 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: That she does. 521 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: I think it's incredibly tough in any circumstance to put 522 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 2: up your hand and say you've done the wrong thing, 523 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: So I do commence Steph for that. 524 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: I think why. 525 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 2: People have such an issue is that she is putting 526 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: up a lot of posts where she does take financial 527 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: gain from sunscreen company. So she's been running these recent 528 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: ads where she'll be using this sort of buffer brush 529 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: to buff suncream into her skin. But while she's doing it, 530 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: she is sitting out by the pool in her bikini. 531 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: She does have a shade over her, but it just 532 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: sort of looks like it's playing into the whole promotion 533 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 2: of sun tanning. Yeah. I have to admit I am 534 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: a big fan of Steph kles Smith's but I am 535 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: not a fan of the way she has promoted tanning 536 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: culture in the past, and it is rather awkward that 537 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 2: she has done it so recently and, as you said, 538 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: financially benefiting from it. I also think it would have 539 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: been nice to see this post actually appear on her 540 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: feed or on her story, rather than in a comment 541 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: that can be hidden and buried down. And I did 542 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: find it awkward because it felt like something that Laura 543 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: was very passionate about and wanted to talk about, and 544 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 2: it puts Steph in the awkward position where she did 545 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: have to call herself out. And again I appreciate that 546 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 2: she did put her hand up and say that she's 547 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: shit about it, but it would have been better to 548 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 2: see action speaking louder for words. In the lead up 549 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: to this podcast, well, you guys quite surprised to hear 550 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: the extent of Steph's tanning routine, in the sense that 551 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: she was talking about how she used to put oils 552 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: on her face every day, and I just it made 553 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 2: me feel sick. 554 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: But it is hard when people aren't educated on the matter. 555 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: But that's the thing. 556 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: I think she was educated, Like you can't grow up 557 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 2: in Australia and say you don't know the dangers of 558 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: the sun. I think, as she said that she turned 559 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 2: a blind eye to it because she is a model 560 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: and she wanted the aesthetic look of being tanned. And 561 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: I mean it personally made me feel sick because I'm 562 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: someone that is so scared of the son I follow 563 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: Courtney Mangen and I have followed NAT's story as well, 564 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: and I just couldn't believe when I heard that she 565 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 2: put oil on her face. Not to judge her, but 566 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 2: it's just something that really freaked me out because you 567 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: look at say, Deborah Not and she's been posting about 568 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: how she obviously used to not be very son smart 569 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 2: and the dangers that she is now dealing with in 570 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 2: her older age of having to have all these things 571 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: burnt off her skin. And it's not something that you 572 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 2: just see effects of straight away, like this is something 573 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: that Steph will I mean, I hope not, but something 574 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: that she may have to deal with later down the track. Yeah. 575 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: I can understand the frustration from the people who listen 576 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: to the podcast because it did seem a little bit hypocritical, 577 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: But I actually think that Steph's response was great, and 578 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: you know, we can't always continue to slam people, especially 579 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: when they're trying to do the right thing. Well, I 580 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: do think actions speak louder than words. And it's funny 581 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: because I noticed her next post on Instagram was her 582 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: and her son Harvey at the zoo and she was 583 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: wearing a hat. So it might just be small steps 584 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 2: moving forward, and I do hope we see a difference 585 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 2: on her account. I don't want to see any more 586 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 2: tanning photos on her Instagram story. Well, as Laura said, 587 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: it's your body, you can do as you like to it. 588 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 2: But what she finds incredibly disturbing is when people have 589 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: power and a following, if they're promoting doing the wrong thing. 590 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: So I think if Steph can move forward and stop 591 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 2: the promotion and also stop the financial gain from promoting 592 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: different sunscreens, I think that people will be less likely 593 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: to comment or criticize. Well. I think she can still 594 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 2: promote sunscreens, but promote them properly and not promote them 595 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: as something that will allow you to tan. I do 596 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: wonder if Laura Henshaw actually called Steph Klesmith out, because again, 597 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: she seemed really passionate about it, and I think they 598 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: have that friendship where they could call each other out 599 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 2: and say you need to do better. 600 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: Maybe what. 601 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 4: Right? 602 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 2: We just want to be normal people. 603 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 3: This attention, it's so hard. 604 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: Chloe Zepp has shocked and repulsed much of the Internet 605 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 2: by posting a series of stories showing her baby daddy 606 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 2: Mitch Orville, inspecting his bumhole for worms or hemorrhoids. The 607 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: attention seeking posts come as the couple reveal only fifty 608 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: percent of their upcoming retreat has been sold. Sophy, I 609 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 2: couldn't believe what I. 610 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: Was seeing when this popped up in my newsfeed. 611 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 2: I quite honestly felt sick to my stomach after seeing 612 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: these series of stories. And in the first Instagram story, 613 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 2: we see Mitch lying on his bed with his legs 614 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 2: in the air and these Peter Alexander themed Christmas pajamas 615 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 2: wrapped around his ankles, and thankfully his bumhole had been 616 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: strategically cut out. 617 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: Of the photo. 618 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: And it is the word bumhole like that just so. 619 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: Mitch had this expression on his face that I just 620 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: can't seem to get out of my head. It was 621 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: almost this childlike glee in the photo and in the caption, 622 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 2: Chloe wrote, I have three children currently putting baby powder 623 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: on Mitch Orvil's asshole now. In the next Instagram story, 624 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: Chloe then filmed Mitch in the couple's on suite, lying 625 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 2: on the bathroom floor, legs up in the air, again 626 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 2: shaving his bumhole area. Chloe then proceeded to put up 627 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: a pole asking followers to guess whether Mitch had worms 628 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: or hemorrhoids. A follower then wrote in saying that Mitch 629 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: should ice the area so as you do. Chloe then 630 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: showed a video of Mitch icing his bumhole on the 631 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: couple's bed, whilst he remarked that it feels like. 632 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: He's coloring his bumhole. 633 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 2: Can listeners take a shot every time Savie says bumhole? 634 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: Drunk waker? All I can think of is a South Park. 635 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 2: We want privacy, we want privacy, we want privacy. Of 636 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: course you're referencing the Megan macle and Harry Prince Harry payout. 637 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: They've called for privacy for so long, and next minute 638 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: they're putting up a video of him icing and shaving 639 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: his bum Why did you need to shave it? I 640 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: just can't get over the image of this ice cube 641 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: melting with someone's bumhole juice on the bed that you 642 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 2: sleep on. 643 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: Stop bumbhole. It's disgusting. The whole thing's disgusting. 644 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: It is, quite honestly, the most bizarre and disgusting thing 645 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: I think I've ever seen shared online. 646 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm here for it, though you're here for I don't 647 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: want to know about it. I'd rather have that content 648 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: than all the anti vaxx chick. 649 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 2: I just think it was next level, and I feel 650 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 2: like it was put out there for pure shock value. 651 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: And I don't. 652 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: Understand why this content wasn't removed. Without a doubt, it 653 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: would have been reported. A number of people in our 654 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: group mentioned that they had reported it. Surely people aren't 655 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 2: seeing this content and then going, oh my god, I 656 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: want to spend all this money on going a retreat. 657 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: With these guys. 658 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: Maybe they're looking for new sponsors a hemorrhoid cream cone 659 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: or one of those donut blow up things on. But 660 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 2: the more content that you put out there, the more 661 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: views you get, the more engagement that is driven. I 662 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: think that they're ultimately doing it for money, because if 663 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: you think about it, when Mitch had this big hiatus 664 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: from Instagram, his engagement rate would have absolutely plummeted. So 665 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: they're now having to do all these attention seeking things 666 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: to get eyeballs back on their page, and it's because 667 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 2: they want to sell this retreat. 668 00:29:59,320 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 4: Well. 669 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 2: I think it's very on brand for Mitsch through something 670 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: like this, like he's known for being a prankster, and 671 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 2: also they are pretty relatable, so maybe that's also playing 672 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 2: into that a little bit. But yes this retreat. Chloe 673 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: announced that fifty percent of the tickets have not been sold, 674 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: and they have been promoting this retreat for a number 675 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: of weeks. Now. Generally there's so much hype, whether it's 676 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: genuine or not, over these events that it seems to 677 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: sell out very quickly, so it's interesting to see that 678 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: the numbers are so low. The retreat is only a 679 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: month away as well, so it'd be interesting to see 680 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: what other attention seeking posts that they get out there 681 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: to try and attract some attention towards their page. Now, 682 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: the tickets do cost between two one hundred and fifty 683 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: dollars to two thousand and seven ninety for the four 684 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: night retreat, and Chloe did share a post revealing exactly 685 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: what is included at this retreat, and some of the 686 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: most notable features which I could see were things like 687 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 2: learning to surf at Noose's iconic beach, challenging yourself with 688 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 2: group games, exploring Hastings street cafes and shops, and. 689 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: You can't forget yet the free Wi Fi. 690 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: This addition of Wi Fi cracks me up because this 691 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: inclusion makes it quite clear that they're trying to beef 692 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: up these offerings. Wow, I mean, if that's the best 693 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 2: they can do, I'm surprised there's not like a Chloe 694 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 2: Zep smoothie thrown in from the beach shack. 695 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: They've got a new stock left or whatever their shop 696 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: was called. 697 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, on this promotion they also reference strength and 698 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: conditioning daily workouts with Chloe and Mitch. Now I do 699 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 2: wonder is a qualified instructor through Journey retreats going to 700 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: be taking these classes or are they referring that Chloe 701 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: and Mitchell qualified strength and conditioning coaches because they definitely 702 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: are not. 703 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 704 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I know that they are into fitness. They 705 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: have Kick trainer Danny Kennedy as their own personal trainers, 706 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: But I don't think that means that they're qualified to 707 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: then be offering strength and conditioning advice to a group 708 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: of paying customers. It'd be interesting to see what happens 709 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 2: in terms of that. Look, I don't think they're qualified 710 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 2: to do much that they're offering, other than maybe taking 711 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: the people out to. 712 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: Cafes on hasting streets perhaps. 713 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: I mean, they did have a failed cafe too. 714 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: So perhaps what to do get a hemorrhoid? 715 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 2: Oh god, that might be in the course, Well, they 716 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: put a Q and a box out for that as well. Now, 717 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: this attention seeking posting has continued. 718 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: So today Mitch shared a photo of a variety of. 719 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 2: Condoms on a supermarket shelf and in the comment, he wrote, 720 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: taking no more risks. Haven't been to the cinemas in 721 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: two point five years. Now. This comes just weeks after 722 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 2: Mitch shared a grocery list which revealed that Chloe was 723 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: buying a pregnancy test. 724 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? 725 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 2: Because it's interesting he mentions the cinema because there was 726 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: an ongoing joke about him being relegated to the movie 727 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: room when things weren't going well in his relationship with 728 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: him and Chloe. I don't quite get it though, because 729 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 2: he said he hasn't been in the cinema for two 730 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: and a half years. I think is he referring that 731 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 2: he's going to the movies, He's going to have sex 732 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: with Chloe in the movie theater. I feel like there 733 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 2: is some reference towards his movie room. 734 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 735 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 2: I went to have a look back at when they 736 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: actually sold their house, and it was a year ago 737 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: now that they sold the house. So it doesn't add 738 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 2: up that he's been out of that movie room for 739 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: two and a half years. It's a very odd comment 740 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 2: and it is one that's going to generate engagement on 741 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 2: his page. I wonder what else he'll be sharing in 742 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 2: the coming weeks to try and generate. 743 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: Those ticket sales. 744 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: If anyone has worked out what this comment means in 745 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: our Facebook group, please share with us, because I feel 746 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: like it's gone over our heads a little bit. How 747 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 2: dare you, sir? 748 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 4: My Instagram loving wife there's always wanted her rathers there. 749 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 2: This week, UK superstar Harry Starles did a showy live 750 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 2: on stage during his first leg of his Australian tour 751 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 2: in Perth. Now, for any international listeners who might not 752 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: know what a showy is, it is a cult ossie 753 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 2: drinking tradition. So basically you pull your drink, which in 754 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 2: most cases is a beer, into your own shoe or 755 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 2: someone else's shoe and quickly chug it down in one go. 756 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: Now, it appears that medical professionals. 757 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 2: Are now concerned that due to the popularity of the showy, 758 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 2: more and more people are coming down with a bad 759 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: case of gastro. 760 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: How many people are doing shoeyes each day? 761 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: And are medical professionals really concerned about this or is 762 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 2: this faux concern to create a clickbait article about Harry 763 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: Styles and shoeies. Yeah, I definitely think it's something that's 764 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: been drummed up by newspapers, particularly those in Perth. So 765 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: adopted by the name of Vincent Hoe told the newspaper 766 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: that whilst the shoey is popular, it's not the safest, 767 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 2: almost hygienic way to neck a beer. No shit, really, Yeah, 768 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: he said there's potential risks of infection and getting gastro 769 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 2: so shoey related gas story isn't unfounded either. So he 770 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: has a lot of research that shows that different alcohol 771 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 2: helps or hinders bacteria living in our shoe. So for instance, 772 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 2: drinks like sparkling wine or champagne can encourage more bacteria 773 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 2: to grow due to sugar yeast and the fermentation process. 774 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 2: Who's really doing shoeies with champagne though it's usually beer. Well, 775 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 2: a lot of the F one drivers when they win, 776 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 2: they'll do a shoey with champagne, so it has been 777 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: seen to happen. This just reminds me of a story 778 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 2: I would have done when I was working at seven 779 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: News on the weekend, because we used to do ones 780 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 2: all the time. It was like about the risk of 781 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 2: waste trainers and all this come up with something around. 782 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 2: Harry Styles also saw the news were running a story 783 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 2: about the apparent dangers of Logan, Paul and Kosi's new 784 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 2: drink because it obviously got so much media attention. 785 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: What's a new drink. 786 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: It's this energy drink and they were saying that it's 787 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 2: got way too much. 788 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: Caffeine in it. 789 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 2: You're like, Amy, been there, done that. Yeah. 790 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: I was just say this was literally my own story. 791 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: I saw Adelaide News did it, and it was like 792 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 2: all the doctors that I used to interview for my 793 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 2: story was ten years ago. 794 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my story. I did a st Yeah 795 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: that was drink and energy drinks. 796 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, one of your stories. I can't Yeah, No, I 797 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 2: actually think that was quite a good story. I think 798 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 2: that it's good that the news is tapping into social 799 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: media interests and when they're creating drinks, particularly like this, 800 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 2: that are dangerous for children. 801 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: I think the Shiwy is more of a beat up. 802 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but in twenty twenty three, a parent's really unaware 803 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 2: that energy drinks aren't good for their kids. I remember 804 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 2: back in the day when you guys covered the story 805 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 2: that it was a bit of a shock because I 806 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 2: remember when we went to our school discos when we 807 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 2: were ten, they were handing our energy drinks because I 808 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 2: think parents just thought they were like soft drinks. Well, 809 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 2: the issue with this is they're saying that it has 810 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: double the legal amount of caffeine that you're allowed to 811 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 2: have and a drink in Australia. 812 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: So that's the issue with it. And that's the thing. 813 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 2: These cans of drink can be dressed up to look 814 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 2: like their soft drinks, so parents may not be aware. 815 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 2: So I think that was actually an important story. Well, 816 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: I am really thirsty because it's forty degrees in Adelaide 817 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 2: here today. I had to beg amy to turn the 818 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 2: air conditioning on. So let's wrap things up. This podcast 819 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 2: was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people 820 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,959 Speaker 2: of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past 821 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 2: and present. 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