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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, Indy Clinton's

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Speaker 1: reluctant plastic surgery update, Sky Wheatley's chickenburger debacle, Lily Brown

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Speaker 1: and Jack Kenny address that viral pregnancy story, and why

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Speaker 1: TikTok are convinced that Alex Cooper and Alex Earl are feuding.

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Speaker 1: But first, our hometown of Adelaide was the hot spot

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Speaker 1: for high profile influencers this weekend. Kate, Oh, I kept

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Speaker 1: seeing every influencer putting up posts like oh, has anyone

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Speaker 1: got a good makeup artist in Adelaide?

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Speaker 2: And packing for Adelaide? And I'm like, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I didn't realize that Live goldf would get such

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Speaker 1: a top level of influencers. I was very impressed with

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Speaker 1: the PR team that was working with them. It made

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Speaker 1: Adelaide look cool. They had this incredible luxury house called

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Speaker 1: the Ripper House, which is where all of the VIPs

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Speaker 1: were rubbing shoulders. The AFF put out an article saying that, oh,

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Speaker 1: the likes of Chris Hemsworth and Serena Williams would be

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Speaker 1: there now. They didn't make it, but I was very

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Speaker 1: excited to see people like Indy Clinton. So for Dofer,

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Speaker 1: Lucy and NICKI ended up making it. They did miss

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Speaker 1: their fight, but they managed to get over here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I bet the organizers freaked out when they saw that

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Speaker 1: Instagram update. Bet Judd was also there alongside Karl Stefanovic.

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Speaker 1: It looked like that Ripper House went off, so the

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Speaker 1: houses in Midindi. It's absolutely insane. I would have loved

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Speaker 1: to be a fly on the wall at Ripper House

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Speaker 1: and seeing the interaction between the large scale Ossie influences

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Speaker 1: and some of Adelaide's lower echelon of.

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Speaker 2: Influence, so it would have been really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if some of the lower influencers were hassling

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Speaker 1: the top ones for photos or wanting to befriend them

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Speaker 1: so that they got more engagement. I actually have heard

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Speaker 1: influencers talk about how they've stumbled across house parties in

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Speaker 1: the US when they're on holidays, and rather than people

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Speaker 1: introducing themselves, it's all about like, well, how many followers

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Speaker 1: do you have? And if you don't have enough, then

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Speaker 1: you don't get talked.

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Speaker 2: To absolutely spewing.

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Speaker 1: Because I used to rent a place that was right

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Speaker 1: across the road from the Grange golf course, I could

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Speaker 1: have done the best people watching.

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Speaker 2: It was absolutely chaos though.

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Speaker 1: When the event was on last year, all of the

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Speaker 1: streets were closed and a lot of the houses around

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Speaker 1: us were being rented out for astronomical amounts of money,

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Speaker 1: like it was insane. I just loved that there was

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Speaker 1: finally a high profile influencer adjacent event and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: a debarcle like if you think back to what was it,

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Speaker 1: Sam Smith? Oh, that was just so embarrassing for Adelaide.

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Speaker 1: So because I actually feel like this made Adelaide look

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Speaker 1: like a really cool, desirable place to go. And it

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Speaker 1: was recently announced that Live Golf is actually going to

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Speaker 1: now be moving to North Adelaide so in the city,

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Speaker 1: which I think is a really great move because that's

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Speaker 1: going to get so many more interstate tourists and interstate

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Speaker 1: tourists discovering the city of Adelaide, which I think has

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Speaker 1: really changed so much over the past couple of years,

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Speaker 1: and it's such an exciting place to go to.

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Speaker 3: I built this platform of being relatable and being honest

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Speaker 3: and showing you my real life.

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Speaker 1: Indy Clinton has reluctantly opened up about her impending plastic

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Speaker 1: surgery next month. The popular TikToker revealed she's getting rhinoplasty

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Speaker 1: to resolve an injury she got while surfing five years ago.

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Speaker 1: This video was really unlike anything I've seen before from

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Speaker 1: an influencer on the topic. Yeah, normally influencers actors though,

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Speaker 1: they're really excited to share the news, and they tell

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Speaker 1: their followers that they are taking them along the journey

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Speaker 1: with them. But Indy was the total opposite, and it

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Speaker 1: was really clear just how nervous she was to share

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Speaker 1: this news. Indy started off by saying it had been

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Speaker 1: eating away at her and at one point she was

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Speaker 1: even shaking because she just doesn't want to deal with

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Speaker 1: the impending judgment from her followers. Why do you think

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Speaker 1: she's been so reluctant to share about the surgery. It's

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Speaker 1: because she doesn't want to promote plastic surgery to her followers.

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Speaker 2: So this is what she said on the matter.

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Speaker 3: I mean a really hard position by I don't want

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Speaker 3: to talk about this. I would rather just do this

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Speaker 3: because I'm doing this for myself. I'm in a position

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Speaker 3: where i have millions and millions of followers, so I'm

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Speaker 3: not trying to lie and hide something, but I'm not

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Speaker 3: trying to talk about it to monetize and promote, if

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It was really interesting to hear the thought process Indy

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Speaker 1: with her audience. She was just so honest, and she

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Speaker 1: even said that she had considered pre recording content to

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Speaker 1: hide the fact she was having surgery, but she decided

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Speaker 1: against that because she didn't want to lie, and she

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Speaker 1: said it went against what her channel was actually built on.

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Speaker 2: Well, with Indy, her whole.

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Speaker 1: Channel is about being relatable, even though she is this

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Speaker 1: incredibly attractive, fit young mom who lives in this gorgeous

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Speaker 1: house right on the waterfront. And Indy has this way

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Speaker 1: of making you feel like she's one of you, and

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Speaker 1: she's chaotic and she's messy, and she's got you kids

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Speaker 1: vombit on all of her clothes. So I totally understand

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Speaker 1: her not wanting to share about something that perhaps a

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Speaker 1: lot of moms who follow her couldn't afford, or maybe

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Speaker 2: I also really like the fact that she said she.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't want to appear to be promoting plastic surgery, because

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Speaker 1: I know there's always a bit of a debate about it,

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Speaker 1: whether people should just be honest and transparent, or whether

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Speaker 1: that transparency is promoting more young people to think that

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Speaker 1: it's normal and everyone should be going and getting plastic surgery.

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Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, it's an

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Speaker 2: individual choice.

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Speaker 1: But it is good that she's thinking about the impact

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Speaker 1: that she does not have on her audience. And it's

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Speaker 1: actually not the first time she has undergone plastic surgery

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Speaker 1: since having such a large following. So last year, India

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Speaker 1: she had gotten a breast augmentation during her time offline,

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Speaker 1: And it seems like she has learned from that experience

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Speaker 1: this time around, because I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: like this gotcha moment where they're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: like it creates even more of a buzz where you've

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Speaker 1: different after there being so much speculation around her breast implants.

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Speaker 1: She probably thought it was important for her to sit

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Speaker 1: this surfing accident. She pointed out what she wasn't happy with.

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Speaker 2: Because she really did go in depth.

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Speaker 1: She even showed a photo of her nose after the

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Speaker 1: accident happened, and it's really no one's business. But again,

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Speaker 1: as she said, it's a little bit hard to hide

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Speaker 1: her face. Like some people get so up in arms

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Speaker 1: about influencers or celebrities undergoing all this plastic surgery, but

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Speaker 1: arms are those who have trolled the influencers over their

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Speaker 1: appearance and said why don't you do this or they

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Speaker 2: They also have a problem with it.

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Speaker 1: They're like, Oh, that's so disappointing that you would go

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Speaker 1: Indy shares the recovery process, because she said that she

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Speaker 1: wasn't sure if she was going to, because again, she

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Speaker 1: But then again, her whole life is sharing her life

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Speaker 1: and her reality. It's clear that she has agonized over

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Speaker 1: whether to put this video out or not because her

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Speaker 1: husband Ben wrote underneath, well said baby, so proud of you,

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Speaker 1: and India replied saying, I was waiting on your text

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Speaker 1: back if I should post a weight lifted off my shoulders.

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Speaker 1: You know, I really liked seeing this interaction because it

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Speaker 1: really humanized the whole situation. And I think that's how

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Speaker 1: Indie remains relatable, because she does really wear her heart

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Speaker 1: as relatable as it once was, she really does show

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Speaker 1: her insecurities and just tackles it head first, which a

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Speaker 1: lot of influencers don't do. Now at the time of

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Speaker 1: the recording, the video has over one thousand comments and

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Speaker 1: over six hundred thousand views.

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Speaker 2: As expected, people.

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Speaker 1: Were weighing in and saying, I'm so disappointed in you,

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Speaker 1: And then there were a mix of people saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't even have to justify this to us.

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Speaker 4: I'm naming and shaming for the first time in my

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Speaker 4: life right now, because that is just I feel really disrespected.

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Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley has teed off at her local fish and

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Speaker 1: chip shop after she received a chicken burger which looked

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Speaker 1: nothing like the photo in the seven minute video. The

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Speaker 1: Gold Coast influencer complained about the stores appalling customer service

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Speaker 1: and said it's the first time she's been driven to

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Speaker 1: name and shame a small business. So if it was

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Speaker 1: almost comical, how different the burger looked from the photo

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Speaker 1: on the Uber eats app look.

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Speaker 1: I know we're not generally fans of influencers naming and

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Speaker 1: shaming small businesses, but I have never seen anything quite.

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Speaker 2: Like this in my life.

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Speaker 1: This burger looked absolutely rained.

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Speaker 2: What are you in year eight? I didn't know the

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Speaker 2: word rain. What are you gonna say? It's festive as well?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: What I'm bringing it back?

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Speaker 1: So in the Uber eats photo. It showed a burger

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Speaker 1: absolutely bursting with lettuce, tomato. It had aoli and a

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Speaker 1: very large juicy chicken breast coming out of the bun.

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Speaker 1: Yet the burger that arrived on Skywheatly's doorstep was laughable.

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Speaker 1: The pieces of chicken were absolutely miniskill, and inside the

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Speaker 1: burger was a dirty, great big chunk of tomato that

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Speaker 1: still had like the core on it, you know, the

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Speaker 1: green bit of the tomato. It was disgusting. I think

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Speaker 1: the end of the tomato would have been passable if

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Speaker 1: all the other elements hadn't been so shit. Well, it

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Speaker 1: was almost like there was more tomato than anything else

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Speaker 1: because the chicken was so small. We will upload a

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Speaker 1: photo on her Instagram stories just to give it justice

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Speaker 1: and so you can check it out now. Sky shared

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Speaker 1: a photo to her six hundred and fifty eight thousand

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Speaker 1: followers showing what she ordered versus what turned up and wrote,

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Speaker 1: this is.

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Speaker 2: What came out.

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Speaker 1: I'm absolutely raging, Like sorry, I'm so happy I can't

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Speaker 1: afford to eat, and I know not everyone has the

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Speaker 1: luxury of ordering takeout, but what an absolute fucking pits take.

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Speaker 1: To add insult to injury, the burger cost fourteen dollars

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Speaker 1: thirty and the meal in total for the family of

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Speaker 1: four was eighty dollars, which is.

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Speaker 2: Pretty hefty for fish and chips. But everything is so

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Speaker 2: damn expensive now. Sky and her.

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Speaker 1: Baby daddy were absolutely bewildered by the presentation that they

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Speaker 2: The fish was wet.

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Speaker 1: We just said, like, hey, like, I ate the fish.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, I'm probably gonna get hate for this, but I

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Speaker 4: What can I do to help not hang up on someone?

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Speaker 4: Come spend Valentine's Day with me flying to New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: On Wednesday, Jet posted a photo dump from the week

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Speaker 1: It is now he captured the post week six dump

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Speaker 1: Does anyone else hate it when influencers refer to it

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Speaker 1: They don't really take social media that seriously, and they

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Speaker 1: She is someone that's grown up on social media, even

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Speaker 1: it's none of our business whatsoever, So it would be

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Speaker 1: I hope if they ever do choose to have a

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Speaker 2: I think we need to see more of that from him.

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Speaker 2: He's doing weekly.

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Speaker 1: Photo dumps everyone, so maybe there's gonna be some more

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Speaker 1: content in there. I might have to follow him. I

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Speaker 1: know Lily Brown has blocked us. Maybe he has two

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: Now I can still see his stuff. Okay, good morning,

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Speaker 2: My hands are orange, her heart is full. Going to

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Speaker 2: the offices today to record a podcast.

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Speaker 3: It's Friday.

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Speaker 1: TikTok is convinced Alex Cooper and Alex Earl are secretly feuding.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into it, Cake, can you give us

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Speaker 1: some background on each of the Alex's Well. Alex Cooper

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Speaker 1: is arguably the most successful woman in podcasting. She is

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Speaker 1: the thirty year old co creator and host of Call

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Speaker 1: Her Daddy, and in twenty twenty one, she signed a

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Speaker 1: three year exclusive deal with Spotify worth sixty million dollars now.

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Speaker 1: Once that Spotify deal expired, Alex set up her own

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Speaker 1: podcasting network called The Unwell Network, and when she announced

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Speaker 1: the news, she revealed that she had signed Alex Earl

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Speaker 1: to her network. As for Alex Earl, it's very confusing

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Speaker 1: both being Alex's but she has been labeled TikTok's it girl.

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Speaker 1: She's also Alex with not that that helps probably for

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Speaker 1: an audio platform, but I know, well, she's twenty four

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Speaker 1: years old and she found fame by sharing get Ready

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Speaker 1: with Me videos while she was studying at the University

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Speaker 1: of Miami, and Alex became one of the fastest growing

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Speaker 1: creators on TikTok and currently has seven million followers on

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Speaker 1: the platform as well as four million on Instagram now.

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Speaker 2: On that podcasting deal.

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Speaker 1: When it was announced back in September twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: some of Alex Earl's fans voice that they didn't think

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Speaker 1: it was the best deal for her because Alex L

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Speaker 1: actually has nearly double the amount of followers Alex Cooper has.

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Speaker 1: So Earl has a collective following of eleven million, well,

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Speaker 1: Cooper has just under six million.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of people were saying, well, there's clearly

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Speaker 2: a lot of crossover of both of their audiences.

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Speaker 1: So it's not actually that big of a coup for

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Speaker 1: Alex Earl to have been signed by Alex Cooper's network,

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Speaker 1: especially when presumably Alex Cooper is taking a big portion

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Speaker 1: of Alex Earl's podcast revenue. Yeah, But that being said,

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Speaker 1: TikTok followers are very different to podcast followers. So Alex

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Speaker 1: Cooper has one of the biggest podcasts in the world.

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Speaker 1: She has an inbuilt audience who were already sitting there

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Speaker 1: ready to consume content. It is more difficult to take

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Speaker 1: a TikTok audience over to podcasting. I don't know about that,

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Speaker 1: because when influencers who have a big following launch a podcasts,

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Speaker 1: they just promote it on their TikTok people players, because

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Speaker 1: I think that some people are happy to watch a

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Speaker 1: thirty second video of someone getting ready, but they don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily want to hear thirty minutes of what they have

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Speaker 1: to say. But that's for people who don't have a

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Speaker 1: public profile and need a leg up. So, for instance,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people probably don't remember but that She's

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Speaker 1: on the Money podcast that was originally produced by Shameless Media.

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Speaker 1: So back in the day, are remember Shameless So like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we've been working on this other podcast and they really

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Speaker 1: promoted it in their own feed, and that was Victoria

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Speaker 1: Devine's podcast, She is on the Money now. Victoria Divine

501
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Speaker 1: was the brains behind the podcast and she produced it

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Speaker 1: and came up with the idea herself, and she was

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Speaker 1: a very successful business person, but she didn't have much

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Speaker 1: of a social media profile. Yeah, and she didn't have

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Speaker 1: that audience. So a lot of the shameless listeners went

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Speaker 1: over to Victoria Devine's podcast and it's obviously extremely successful now.

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Speaker 1: So while you could say, oh, well, Alex Cooper really

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Speaker 1: has bolstered alex Earl's podcast, I argue that she would

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Speaker 1: have had a similar success if she just promoted her

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Speaker 1: on her own channels. I don't think that alex Earl

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Speaker 1: joined Alex Cooper's network for exposure and for an inbuilt

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Speaker 1: audience though. I think she joined the network because she

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Speaker 1: needed help with producing her podcast, getting ideas, editing, like

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Speaker 1: everything else at the network offers maybe help with podcast ads.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, yeah, and that is a good point.

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Speaker 1: But it's clear something has happened between the pair and

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Speaker 1: things have gone south, because while neither party have commented

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Speaker 1: on the rumored few, there are a few telltale signs

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Speaker 1: that something is going on. So a big clue took

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Speaker 1: place last week when Alex Earl didn't attend the Unwell

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl party, and this was despite her being in

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Speaker 1: town for the game, and apparently it's not the first

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Speaker 1: Unwell Network publicity event that she's missed either, so fans

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Speaker 1: have noticed that she hasn't been in attendance for a

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Speaker 1: while now.

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Speaker 2: Another sign is that.

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Speaker 1: The Unwell Network socials have reduced how much they promote her,

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Speaker 1: So she used to be the poster girl of the network,

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Speaker 1: but that has changed. So Alex Cooper has been spooking

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Speaker 1: influencer Hailey Batcheld a lot recently.

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Speaker 2: It also seems like the.

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Speaker 1: Alex's have taken opposite sides in another very public podcasting feud,

533
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Speaker 1: so it probably sounds a little bit familiar. But two

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Speaker 1: podcasters who were signed with Barstall are also having a

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Speaker 1: messy friendship breakdown. So the podcasters in question are Grace

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Speaker 1: O'Malley and Brianna Chicken Fry.

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Speaker 2: Come on, chicken Fry is not her real last name?

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Speaker 3: Is?

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Speaker 2: I have to be honest.

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Speaker 1: I was not familiar with them, and I had to

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Speaker 1: double check, and no, it isn't her real last name.

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Speaker 1: It is her stage name.

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Speaker 2: I say, very.

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Speaker 1: Appropriate, another sort of Chicken Burgers last chicken Fry here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, these two were best friends since high school and

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00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: they've had this big public bust up, they're no longer

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Speaker 1: doing the podcast together, and Alex Cooper has had Brianna

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00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: on her show, what Alex Earl has had Grace on

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Speaker 1: hers Well. The real smoking gun for me was when

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Speaker 1: Alex Earl did an interview with her dad TJ on

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Speaker 1: her podcast in early December. Now TJ manages Alex and

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Speaker 1: her sister, and during the episode, Alex said that her

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Speaker 1: dad is good at having hard conversations with people, especially

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Speaker 1: when it comes to when people don't realize Alex's full

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Speaker 1: potential of what she needs to be doing. TJ then

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Speaker 1: also went into detail about a recent incident where he

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Speaker 1: had to take care of some drama for Alex while

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Speaker 1: keeping her out of it. While he initially called it

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Speaker 1: a business situation, he alluded that there was more to

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Speaker 1: it by saying it was also something else. He then

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Speaker 1: went on to say that at the time he wasn't

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Speaker 1: happy about it and still isn't happy about it. And

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Speaker 1: as the Internet does, people have put two and two

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Speaker 1: together and a speculating TJ is referring to Alex Earl

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Speaker 1: signing with the Unwell Network.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this whole thing does make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: It seems like Alex Earl is distance and seeing herself

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Speaker 1: from Alex Cooper and the network, and it is predicted

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Speaker 1: she will jump ship as soon as her contract is

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Speaker 1: over with the network.

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Speaker 2: And before we go, we want to address a TikTok

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Speaker 2: that's gone viral about our podcast.

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Speaker 1: So off the back of a topic about Ruby Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: Matthew's bleaching her nine year old son's hair, Amy made

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Speaker 1: a very throwaway line about an Adelaide mum she saw

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Speaker 1: on TikTok who faked hands her children. Yeah, and you

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Speaker 1: will have noticed that Amy's voice is absent from today's show,

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Speaker 1: and that is because we have suspended her over her comments.

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Speaker 2: I'm just joking.

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Speaker 1: We haven't really Amy's thirty one weeks pregnant and she

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Speaker 1: hosted her baby shower yesterday. She is absolutely exhausted. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anyone should host past thirty weeks pregnant. That

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Speaker 1: was a bit of a mistake. I mean, we did

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Speaker 1: help her, and we do want to clear this up

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Speaker 1: because the way TikTok works, there's no context and Amy

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Speaker 1: has got pregnancy insomnia at the moment. And as you do,

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Speaker 1: you scroll on TikTok very late at night, and for

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Speaker 1: some reason she has been down this rabbit hole of

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Speaker 1: people fake tanning their kids and kids fake tanning routines.

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Speaker 2: Now she has seen a.

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Speaker 1: Snippet of Matilda Norton, who is the Adelaide creator's content,

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Speaker 1: where she said this line A.

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Speaker 6: Lot on your faces here since I confessed to tanning

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Speaker 6: my two little boys. So I thought i'd do a

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Speaker 6: little bit of an intro and tell you guys a

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Speaker 6: little bit about myself.

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Speaker 2: So my name is Matilda.

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Speaker 6: I'm a stay at home mom to two little boys,

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Speaker 6: Banks and Albi.

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Speaker 2: Now, Matilda created that video off the back of her

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Speaker 2: going viral after she shared a satirical video about fake

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Speaker 2: tanning her children. She obviously does not fake tan her children.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I get so many comments like this about Albi's

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00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 6: gorgeous tan skin, and I'm going to share with you

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00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 6: how we maintain the summer glow for him, not me, clearly.

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Speaker 6: So what I do is after his bath, I just

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Speaker 6: do two layers of BONDI San's ultra dark.

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Speaker 1: I do want to point out that this wasn't offhand comment.

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Speaker 1: We didn't actually concentrate the whole segment cooling out Matilda

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00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: or anything along those lines. And I want to give

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Speaker 1: Matilda a bit of a shout out because she is

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Speaker 1: an Adelaide creator who is doing so well at the moment.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that she was caught up in this offhand comment.

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00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: Her parenting content is amazing. She is actually a very

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Speaker 1: avid listener of the podcast. We went back and had

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Speaker 1: a look and we've actually been chatting to her since

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Speaker 1: I think like twenty twenty one. It's so funny how

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Speaker 1: social media works, because I think it was a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago you sent me one of her videos

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Speaker 1: about how she's creating a mum's group in Adelaide and saying,

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Speaker 1: such a good idea, you should join, And when I

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Speaker 1: saw it, I was like, that name looks so familiar,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't put two and two together that it

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Speaker 1: was the same Matilda that's in our DM. So if

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00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: you do see her video popping up, please spare us

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00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: the thought. It was a bit of a fuck up,

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Speaker 1: quite embarrassing, and in saying that, I do really feel

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Speaker 1: for Amy because that just shows the big difference between

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Speaker 1: TikTok and Instagram. So I feel like on Instagram you

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Speaker 1: have the context of who the people are that you're following,

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00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: but the way the TikTok algorithm works. You just shared

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Speaker 1: this random content based on what you're looking at. So

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Speaker 1: if you've just been scrolling watching a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: content of people fake tanning their kids and then this

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00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: one pops up and it's like, Oh, I went viral

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00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: for fake tanning my kids and you scroll lie. I

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00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: just want people to know we do have a sense

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00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: of human Yeah, we do get satirical comedy, Yes we do.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we need a bigger attentions back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to put a block on Amy's phone

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00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: so she's not scrolling ticks I can get at four am. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that is all we have time for today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for another episode.

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