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Speaker 1: And as of the first of July well, the government

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Speaker 1: to better support territory businesses to improve security, as we

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Speaker 1: heard about yesterday. Now, upgrades to this program include raising

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Speaker 1: an individual territory business can access to fifteen grand to

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Speaker 1: make a range of permanent security improvements to their premises,

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Speaker 1: as well as the co contribution for be Secure that

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Speaker 1: has also been reduced from a fifty percent contribution by

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Speaker 1: government's also added a list of pre approved standard improvements

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Speaker 1: is going to make a bit of a difference when

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Speaker 1: it comes to crime and anti social behavior. Now joining

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Speaker 1: about this is the CEO of Hospitality here in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory, Alex Bruce. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Alex, good morning key.

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Speaker 3: Are there many.

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Speaker 1: Hospitality businesses at the moment, you know, which are being

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Speaker 1: targeted when it comes to crime and anti social behavior?

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, yes, but we saw it particularly spike in the

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Speaker 2: first three months of this year, you know, and I

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Speaker 2: think the police said a couple of Fridays ago they

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Speaker 2: with more like a thousand we were getting. There's always

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Speaker 2: But we're back to just normal bad levels, it seems

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Speaker 2: of months ago when town was choppers. Yeah, itinerant well.

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Speaker 1: And you sort of you know, we find that very

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Speaker 1: even out of Vallas Springs, I know that you guys

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, there's a package of different initiatives announced yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I was down in Alice Springs just on that quickly

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Speaker 2: there are reporting that they're getting broken into, but not

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Speaker 2: at those high rates that they were earlier in the year,

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Speaker 2: and they suspect unfortunately down there the crimes probably shifted

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Speaker 2: But the changes to be Secure yesterday are very positive

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Speaker 2: in terms of a bit more support for those businesses

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Speaker 2: But I do hear that, you know, some of the

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Speaker 2: costs of some of these roller shutters and things can

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Speaker 2: be thirty forty grams. We appreciate that the government has

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Speaker 2: looked at the constant feedback. Bise Secure has been a

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Speaker 2: very popular program in the past, as has Alcohol Secure,

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Speaker 2: which was particularly supporting. You know, I think call those

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Speaker 2: all the rest of it, and they don't. They don't

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Speaker 2: case some little scumbag gets in there after ours and

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Speaker 2: for us, that's a second order issue, to be honest

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Speaker 2: with you, Like some of my venues earlier this year,

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Speaker 2: bit more pragmatic. Does seem to be that the hardening

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Speaker 1: That I wondered that those roller shutters, because it is

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Speaker 3: Think I think ultimately they're just going to have to

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Speaker 2: Up even more. But you know, we can make these

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Speaker 2: whilst not fixing everything's definitely helped. You've spoken previously to

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Speaker 2: That might be a positive that we're hoping we can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everybody sort of thought that, Look, it's

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's fair enough that we can have

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Speaker 2: a different standard to what we get up in Darwin, CBD.

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Speaker 2: to tailorize where we need to. Yesterday though with still

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Speaker 1: Call it that.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's always a lot of focus Riley Review

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Speaker 2: we really sink our teeth into those long term structural

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Speaker 1: I know that a Leah Finocchiaro yesterday, the opposition leader

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Speaker 1: What do you think about that, Alex.

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Speaker 2: Our view constantly, and we've been clear to govern on

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Speaker 2: think it's marginal at best, So how do you make

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Speaker 2: when you've hit your limit down in Tennant Creek, it

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Speaker 2: perhaps you read into those other venues. For certain communities

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Speaker 2: Why when those people come into town, can't they simply

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Speaker 2: have those restrictions throughout is one proposal. I'm not suggesting

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Speaker 2: look at it. You know, our systems in each different

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Speaker 2: bottle shop owned by different people don't track or know

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Speaker 2: when my license is being used across the network. But

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Speaker 2: to the high number, just say, my driver's license got

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Speaker 2: Skian twenty times in different bottle shops around the territory

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Speaker 2: in a week. Why isn't that an automatic red flag

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Speaker 2: mundy fisher to it guide, no worries legitimate and they

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Speaker 2: us that they know that there are some operators out there,

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Speaker 2: individuals that are highly responsible for a large proportion of

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Speaker 2: the secondary supply that's going on. Proof of age cards

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Speaker 2: don't have residential addresses on them, so anytime they do

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Speaker 2: try to restrict access to people from certain areas, proofs

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Speaker 2: either make it better or get rid of it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think, Alex Bruce, will be people that you

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Speaker 1: know that are listening this morning that will agree with you.

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Speaker 1: They'll either be thinking let's make it better or get

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Speaker 1: rid of it. I actually err on the side of

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Speaker 1: let's try and make it a bit better if it

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Speaker 1: you've pointed out there are a number of concerns that

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Speaker 1: I think probably need a relook ash. That is for sure, Alex.

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Speaker 1: We always appreciate your time. Thank you very much for

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Speaker 1: having a chat with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Cheers, Katie, Thank you