Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, influencer Gracie Piskapo's baby daddy
Speaker 1: charge over the alleged murder of his own mother. Beck
Speaker 1: Judd slam for charging a monthly subscription feed for exclusive
Speaker 1: Instagram content, Mikayla Tester offers up thirty thousand dollars to
Speaker 1: see ex partner Addis Paul's shared location again, and m
Speaker 1: Davies hits out at Valley Girl.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
Speaker 1: news twice a week. I'm Amy Torbert, and I'm so
Speaker 1: excited because tonight I'm putting up my Christmas lights.
Speaker 2: You're not doing that.
Speaker 1: The day before you're engagement party, are you.
Speaker 2: Well, of course I am, because I want everyone to
Speaker 2: see them. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Amy sitting here before we started recording, stressing like I've
Speaker 1: got so much to do, and I'm like, please, don't
Speaker 1: do things that aren't necessary. Look when you see them
Speaker 1: on Saturday, it's gonna look amazing. I have a bone
Speaker 1: to pick though, with the stores that are selling Christmas
Speaker 1: lights at the moment. I want gold lights. They're labeled
Speaker 1: as warm white. I went, I got some lights they're friggin' white.
Speaker 2: They are not gold. I don't like them as well.
Speaker 2: Gold should be just gold. White should be white. Why
Speaker 2: is that so difficult?
Speaker 1: One k Torbert and I was feeling a strange sense
Speaker 1: of pride and shock on the weekend when my partner
Speaker 1: pulled out the worm on the dance floor for his.
Speaker 2: Brother's birthday party.
Speaker 1: We need to give context because this was a dancer's
Speaker 1: birthday party, so there was a lot of amazing dances
Speaker 1: on the dance floor and the song that was playing
Speaker 1: was Pony, so it was a bit of a stripped
Speaker 1: stripper move. I feel like, yeah, so Reese's brother, Ryan,
Speaker 1: as you said, is a professional dancer. His friend Ricky
Speaker 1: was also there that's a professional dancer, and they were
Speaker 1: getting ready to have a bit of a dance off. However,
Speaker 1: Reese ran in and just shocked everyone by doing the worm.
Speaker 1: I feel like we need to almost share the video
Speaker 1: dance the story. Is this going to be an indication
Speaker 1: of what your wedding dance is going to be?
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god. It was put a bit of
Speaker 2: pressure on me. I was thinking about that. Have you
Speaker 2: guys started planning a special dance?
Speaker 1: Yes, we have got the song picked out, but we
Speaker 1: haven't actually started doing any rehearsals or anything.
Speaker 2: I think it was a few weeks out.
Speaker 1: Do we get a sneak peak of what the song
Speaker 1: is is?
Speaker 2: Oh, let's just keep it under wrapped for now.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm Saphie to Albert, and I felt like I
Speaker 1: went on a very nostalgic trip down memory lane because
Speaker 1: I came across this meme and it was of a
Speaker 1: toy called a sky Dancer. So it's one of those
Speaker 1: toys you pull the lever and this little doll sort
Speaker 1: of spins.
Speaker 3: In the air.
Speaker 2: You need to have.
Speaker 1: It's a string, a string, yeah them, Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: put a call out to Instagram asking listeners what their
Speaker 1: favorite nineties toys were, and I'd forgotten so many. So
Speaker 1: one of my favorites that I've forgotten about is Tipsy Tail, and.
Speaker 2: You pulled the ponytail through.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then there was Katie Kiss, which.
Speaker 1: You got Tipsy Tail for our sixth birth day and
Speaker 1: I got Katie Kiss and I got the other one
Speaker 1: that I really want to bring back is a Tamagotchi.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have enough things to look after,
Speaker 1: but Tamagotchi's you can buy them at the moment.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got to get one. And what about the
Speaker 2: digimons as well? And the poll pocket?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you remember they had that Pika chew.
Speaker 1: It was a bit like a tamagotchi except to have pokey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he had to walk in order to get coin,
Speaker 1: So there was this incentive to exercise, but it was
Speaker 1: only to gamble.
Speaker 2: You could also just shake it, yeah, which is why.
Speaker 1: I saw on Etsy they're selling a lot of these
Speaker 1: old games, and someone's trying to sell the Ferby for
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred dollars. I got a Ferbie on
Speaker 1: Facebook Marketplace and flipped it and sold it for a lot. Really,
Speaker 1: they are in high demand. I remember they were so
Speaker 1: expensive when they first came out, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was so cool because that cousin had her twenty first
Speaker 1: and she got given a Ferbie.
Speaker 3: So people want to know what they get when they
Speaker 3: subscribe to me. I think it's all so new, like
Speaker 3: I've literally just enabled it today.
Speaker 2: I just saw it come up on my Instagram that
Speaker 2: I was eligible.
Speaker 1: Beck Jad has put herself forward as a guinea pig
Speaker 1: for Instagram's latest feature, in a bid to compete with
Speaker 1: only fans and sunroom. Instagram is rolling out a subscription
Speaker 1: based program for its top creators. Okay, how has this
Speaker 1: decision gone for Beck? Well?
Speaker 3: Not great.
Speaker 1: People have labeled it as a cash grab and said
Speaker 1: that she's out of touch, and a lot of the
Speaker 1: commentary seemed to center around the fact that Beck already
Speaker 1: earns lot of money through paid partnerships.
Speaker 2: So why does she need more money?
Speaker 1: Now? There's a lot to unpack there. But why I
Speaker 1: think that she pissed off so many people is that
Speaker 1: she launched the subscriptions with the story asking followers to
Speaker 1: tell her what they wanted to receive as a paid subscriber.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was very step. You're but Kate,
Speaker 1: We've got to remember she is huge on Instagram. Yes,
Speaker 1: she might not be sharing about her life in the
Speaker 1: way that other influencers do by giving them an all
Speaker 1: access pass, but I think that people are going to
Speaker 1: be very interested in that, even if she doesn't know
Speaker 1: exactly what she's giving. The thing is, though, Sophie, a
Speaker 1: lot of people are interested in following along with people's
Speaker 1: lives when it's for free and they're not having to
Speaker 1: actually shell out their hard earned cash for it. Beck
Speaker 1: is charging four dollars forty nine a month to see
Speaker 1: her exclusive content and she hasn't even got a strategy
Speaker 1: or a plan behind what she's giving out before people
Speaker 1: pay for I found it quite interesting because there are
Speaker 1: some other influencers who are also offering this subscription, but
Speaker 1: they haven't seemed to have got as much hate as Beck,
Speaker 1: and I think the reason is there are influences out
Speaker 1: there and there are question marks over sort of why
Speaker 1: people follow them, because a lot of people have said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to subscribe to something where I'm actually getting
Speaker 1: something back. So whether that might be, for example, a
Speaker 1: podcast you might get extra content, or whether it's a
Speaker 1: motivational speaker and they give you tips, or a videographer
Speaker 1: or a videographer that you learn step by step. But
Speaker 1: I think the question mark is what is the content
Speaker 1: that beck is offering up for this four dollars forty
Speaker 1: nine a month. Going back to the price case, I
Speaker 1: didn't think that four forty nine was a huge amount
Speaker 1: to pay for a subscription. However, once you do have
Speaker 1: to start paying for all of the people that you
Speaker 1: enjoy following on instagramming becomes very costly. See I thought
Speaker 1: four forty nine was ridiculous for a subscription to beck Judd.
Speaker 1: Think about how much Amazon costs. That's six dollars Amazon Prime,
Speaker 1: six dollars a month. So you're paying a dollar less
Speaker 1: to get beck Judd's content than you are for a
Speaker 1: streaming platform that's got you know, it depends, it depends
Speaker 1: what she's actually offering more. Let's get into that, because
Speaker 1: on Sunday she didn't know and she put up a
Speaker 1: box asking her followers to give her some ideas. She's
Speaker 1: obviously developed the idea a little bit more because when
Speaker 1: you click on a subscribe button, she's now come up
Speaker 1: with a real and I don't think the real really
Speaker 1: helped because it was just her taking selfies and her
Speaker 1: posing at photo shoots and pouting, and there was a
Speaker 1: little bit of better. There was a little bit of
Speaker 1: Chris Judd in there, and her kids. And in the caption,
Speaker 1: she said that subscribers will be taken behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of her newest design projects and social events, as well
Speaker 1: as get exclusive offers from her partners. She also said
Speaker 1: it would be an open channel for more communication between
Speaker 1: me and my most dedicated followers. She ended up saying
Speaker 1: this is all new to me, so let's see how
Speaker 1: this goes.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The whole communication thing interested me because for me, I
Speaker 1: don't really find Beck Judd someone that is really interactive
Speaker 1: on her social media accounts. There's people like flex Marmie
Speaker 1: who has already started making money off Instagram by setting
Speaker 1: up a close Friends account where people pay to be
Speaker 1: on her close Friends list, and Amy, as you were saying,
Speaker 1: there were some influencers that have already started monetizing Instagram
Speaker 1: in this way that subscribers pay for their content. However,
Speaker 1: they haven't received backlash, and I do think it has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the fact that Beck Judd
Speaker 1: does push a lot of sponsored posts and a lot
Speaker 1: of content that's probably not very reachable. It's very aesthetic
Speaker 1: and aspirational, but it's not very down to earth.
Speaker 2: And I think that Beck's.
Speaker 1: Suddenly saying, oh, well, now that I'm getting a bit
Speaker 1: of money, I'm happy to take you behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of what I'm doing. We've got to remember she's an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: She's also a speech pathologist. Everyone's acting like she's this dumb,
Speaker 1: stereotypical influencer. She's a forty year old woman who has
Speaker 1: a lot of experience in the industry, and I think
Speaker 1: you're sort of downplaying, but she's all about it. I
Speaker 1: just I think a lot of people think it's a
Speaker 1: bit rich to be like, actually, I'm going to start
Speaker 1: offering content about my life, Sophie. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: beck Judd is an intelligent and she hasn't been a
Speaker 1: speech pathologist in her life, but what would have been
Speaker 1: an intelligent social media strategy was coming up what you
Speaker 1: were going to be offering your followers before you started saying, oh,
Speaker 1: we'll pay me five dollars and I'll come up with
Speaker 1: it as I go. I mean she's trialing the tech though,
Speaker 1: to be honest, like she's one of the first people
Speaker 1: in Australia, but she chose to. I mean, yes, it's
Speaker 1: pretty brave because she's copped a lot of negative feedback.
Speaker 1: Another influencer who has done the same is Sophie Guidolin,
Speaker 1: and she is a fitness influencer who is actually charging
Speaker 1: seven dollars forty nine a month. Come she's not copying it, well,
Speaker 1: she is copying it because what she's done is she
Speaker 1: has put her wedding photos behind a paywalk because she
Speaker 1: eloped a couple of weeks back, and she hasn't actually
Speaker 1: shared any of the photos with her followers. And she
Speaker 1: came out and said the reason for this is because
Speaker 1: when she got engaged on her European trip, she found
Speaker 1: out that she was packed, and she found that was
Speaker 1: a real invasion of her privacy. So she started to
Speaker 1: think differently about how she shares content. But then a
Speaker 1: lot of people are like, oh, well, you're happy to
Speaker 1: put it behind a payment.
Speaker 2: I don't see anything wrong with that.
Speaker 1: What's it any different from celebrities selling their wedding photos
Speaker 1: to magazine.
Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what Sophia said.
Speaker 1: I think that we all assume that we're all owed
Speaker 1: everything for free. I think, but kang on, but Sophie.
Speaker 1: Influencers don't put that content up for free. We talk
Speaker 1: a lot about how influencers monetize their life events. So
Speaker 1: they might think, well, I'm not getting paid X amount
Speaker 1: for it, but they are because they get more followers,
Speaker 1: and the more followers they have, the higher advertising dollars
Speaker 1: they charge. Because the whole, the whole thing about Instagram,
Speaker 1: it is based on eyeballs.
Speaker 2: You attract, you attract the eyeballs and you attrack.
Speaker 1: You can see the path that they're trying to go down.
Speaker 1: A lot of influencers would say, well, I want to
Speaker 1: do a subscription base, so then I don't actually have
Speaker 1: to be spooking protein Pa. That's the way I think
Speaker 1: people pissed off with beck jud because she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: and I'll offer you new I'll offer you partnership deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, but hang on, that's an ad within see.
Speaker 1: I actually think this subscription speature could be good in
Speaker 1: a sense that we're going to get the best from influencers,
Speaker 1: because I definitely am sick of seeing a lot of ads.
Speaker 1: I know that it comes with the deal of getting
Speaker 1: access to people's lives, but this is probably content when
Speaker 1: we're not going to see.
Speaker 2: A whole pay for it.
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting there and being like, the thing is,
Speaker 1: if I had to actually pay for people that I
Speaker 1: follow on Instagram's content, I don't even I kind of
Speaker 1: think of one that I probably pay for a few
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of journalists will be paying
Speaker 1: for it because they're going to get access to all
Speaker 1: of these new stories, so it's going to be printed everywhere. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to there's a feature where you can't screen records. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing, because I really think it comes down
Speaker 1: to the term influencer, because it's very loaded and at
Speaker 1: the moment, there is a negative connotation with the word,
Speaker 1: and most influencers want to be referred to as content creators.
Speaker 1: And I do think that this is a perfect platform
Speaker 1: for genuine content creators who put time and effort into
Speaker 1: their craft.
Speaker 2: And I think people are willing.
Speaker 1: To pay for perceived effort, but I don't think people
Speaker 1: are willing to pay for oh, let me take you
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of my life, because that's the content
Speaker 1: we expect to get for free on Instagram. Well, with
Speaker 1: Sophie Gwidlin, I could see her actually putting up some
Speaker 1: really good fitness content that people would want to follow
Speaker 1: that with a hair I go, yeah, I can see
Speaker 1: by changing she's offering exclusive recipes and workouts, coaching access
Speaker 1: to her launchers, and also you know, behind the scenes photos,
Speaker 1: which is the most controversial part of it. But to
Speaker 1: me that makes more sense because she basically said she
Speaker 1: used to have a closed Facebook group where she would
Speaker 1: put a lot of her coaching information and now she's
Speaker 1: going to be offering that as a subscription on her platform,
Speaker 1: and the reality is, if you don't want to subscribe
Speaker 1: to Beck Judd, don't subscribe.
Speaker 2: The thing is I genuinely enjoy following Beck Judge.
Speaker 1: She's one of the first people that I followed on Instagram,
Speaker 1: and I think she does face a lot of unfair
Speaker 1: criticism as a female entrepreneur. Okay, Sophie, but put your
Speaker 1: money where your mouth is. Would you pay four dollars
Speaker 1: forty nine a month to subscribe to her channel?
Speaker 2: This is the same person need to sign up for
Speaker 2: the Sunny app, So she might because I.
Speaker 1: Probably wouldn't pay it at this stage. But if I
Speaker 1: start hearing in the media that she's dropping some absolute
Speaker 1: bombs or she's videos like Nadia bok it came up,
Speaker 1: who is going to be able to afford to subscribe
Speaker 1: to all their favorite influencers because the cost of living
Speaker 1: is so expensive, interest rates are going up, Like, I
Speaker 1: just don't understand how this is feasible at all. I
Speaker 1: am interested to see how Instagram users do embrace this
Speaker 1: subscription because it has the potential to change influencing and
Speaker 1: also Instagram as we know it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. As I said earlier.
Speaker 1: Instagram has always been a place where you trade eyeballs
Speaker 1: for advertising dollars, and now the whole model is turning
Speaker 1: on its head, where influencers are going to be having
Speaker 1: to abtract their own followers who are directly paying them,
Speaker 1: And how do you operate like that because they're still
Speaker 1: going to be having to do their typical ads on
Speaker 1: their public channel. So are we just going to see
Speaker 1: Instagram turn into ads for all the ads are on
Speaker 1: the free channel and then all the stuff we actually
Speaker 1: want to watch we have to pay for. Now. I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see how much Instagram is getting as a
Speaker 1: percentage for this, because like only fans, I think only
Speaker 1: fans takes is it five percent or something along those lines.
Speaker 2: So it does seem like a move.
Speaker 1: From Instagram to actually try and recoup some of the
Speaker 1: money that's been spake because obviously influencers they take the
Speaker 1: full cut of advertisers spend and Instagram's not getting any
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, that's a really good point. I do
Speaker 1: wonder if this could be the death of Instagram or
Speaker 1: be a revolution, because it's quite clear that they can't
Speaker 1: continue on the way that they are. TikTok has taken
Speaker 1: a lot of their users away, and I mean I
Speaker 1: do I do wonder how this will affect platforms like
Speaker 1: OnlyFans and sun Room. I actually think it could actually
Speaker 1: help Instagram because although we're talking about, well, how much
Speaker 1: free content are they going to put out? I think
Speaker 1: as an influencer, as you said, people are only going
Speaker 1: to have a certain amount of money to spend on
Speaker 1: their favorite influencers, So you're actually going to have to
Speaker 1: be putting out pretty like quality content for free for
Speaker 1: people to go, oh wow, I actually want to buy
Speaker 1: your content, because if you're just putting out ads, why
Speaker 1: is anyone going to say?
Speaker 2: I think that's why.
Speaker 1: People are so up in arms about Beck Judge charging
Speaker 1: for content, because I think the quality recently hasn't been
Speaker 1: there with her organic and anyone who follows Gary veeve
Speaker 1: Widow the whole marketing it's meant to be give, give, give, give, give,
Speaker 1: then ask for something you don't just ask ask. She's
Speaker 1: been on there for ten years, yes, yeah, but she's
Speaker 1: not giving given giving content.
Speaker 2: She takes takes by putting up pieces of ads all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: But she's also someone who maybe now where she's actually
Speaker 1: getting paid for it.
Speaker 2: She might invest in time. But that's the thing I
Speaker 2: don't think.
Speaker 1: I think it was a spare of the moment decision
Speaker 1: to put up the subscription. Yeah, come pay me, I'll
Speaker 1: get some extra cash. This is going to be a
Speaker 1: full time job for influencers. They're going to actually have
Speaker 1: to put effort into this because if you look at
Speaker 1: subscription like, you know what you get when you sign
Speaker 1: up to Netflix, you know what you get when you
Speaker 1: say you sign up to Mom and me are out loud,
Speaker 1: they are. They give you two extra podcasts a week
Speaker 1: and you get access to all their content. When you
Speaker 1: sign up to bet Judd, I have no idea what
Speaker 1: I'm getting. She's still making up the formula.
Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome to our YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: Got some deliveries from baby Fashion. I'm going to show
Speaker 1: you guys what I got and do a little bit
Speaker 1: of a try on a whole. The boyfriend and baby
Speaker 1: daddy of Perth influencer Grazie Piscopo has been charged over
Speaker 1: the alleged murder of his own mother Amy.
Speaker 2: This has shocked the Internet.
Speaker 1: It really has because Gracie has over one million Instagram
Speaker 1: followers and she does live a very picturesque life. With
Speaker 1: her parst Andre online. So Gracie is followed by the
Speaker 1: likes of UK influencer Royalty, Molly May, Haigu, Saffron Barker,
Speaker 1: Grace Beverly and even Lottie Tomlinson. Is it wrong that
Speaker 1: I've actually never heard of her until this to either?
Speaker 2: I suppose that's his Instagram for you.
Speaker 1: There are so many people that have a million followers
Speaker 1: and you're like, I could walk past on the street
Speaker 1: and no, no, Well, her career took off in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen because she modeled for Chloe Kardashian's Good American clothing brand,
Speaker 1: So I feel like this is the last thing followers
Speaker 1: would have expected that she would have been making headlines
Speaker 1: about Amy. What do we know about her boyfriend, Andre Rabello. Well,
Speaker 1: he's a twenty six year old self proclaimed cryptocurrency dealer
Speaker 1: and he has been working as Gracie's manager. So he
Speaker 1: also shares a son with Gracie and it appears they
Speaker 1: have been dating since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: Wow, so for seven years. Yeah, so he is.
Speaker 1: Literally all over her YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: I went and had a little bit of a look.
Speaker 2: She's not as big.
Speaker 1: On YouTube as she is on Instagram. I think some
Speaker 1: of her videos were getting around the five thousand views.
Speaker 1: She had a really awkward one where it was they
Speaker 1: were putting up their Christmas tree last year. That's been
Speaker 1: splashed all over the news talking about awkward. Did you
Speaker 1: see what influencer updates Au shared. So there was a
Speaker 1: TikTok of Gracie dressed up as tinker Bell at Halloween
Speaker 1: and let's throw to the clip, are you guilty or
Speaker 1: not guilty?
Speaker 3: Guilty? Don't you know you might have killed her?
Speaker 4: Take a bell?
Speaker 2: Holy fuck? I actually saw someone share that in tea
Speaker 2: time as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very awkward, and I think we should get
Speaker 1: into what we know about the charges. So Andre has
Speaker 1: been charged with the murder of his mother, Colleen. She
Speaker 1: very sadly passed away in May twenty twenty, and he's
Speaker 1: also been charged with a string of fraud charges which
Speaker 1: are allegedly linked to his mother's death. Now it's important
Speaker 1: to note he has denied the charges and he will
Speaker 1: be back in court on the twenty first of December
Speaker 1: and possibly could receive bail. I was listening to the
Speaker 1: press conference with the police detective who is in charge
Speaker 1: of this investigation, and he dropped some interesting details. So
Speaker 1: he said the investigation was a complex one which drew
Speaker 1: on a lot of resources. He said, it's taken two
Speaker 1: years to get it to this point, and it's an
Speaker 1: example of how we will not stop until we thoroughly
Speaker 1: investigate and bring these things to a conclusion. Now, this
Speaker 1: detective refused to answer any questions about how Miss Rebello died,
Speaker 1: but he did confirm that a family member had made
Speaker 1: the triple zero call back in May twenty twenty. Now
Speaker 1: WA Today are also reporting that the matter has been
Speaker 1: listed in the court filings as a domestic violence case.
Speaker 1: So at the time of Miss Rebello's death, there were
Speaker 1: tributes online from family and friends, and they expressed their
Speaker 1: complete shock at her sudden passing. One of the tributes
Speaker 1: read beautiful, strong, moraued and devoted mother, while mister Rebello's
Speaker 1: daughter Monique said the family were heartbroken. In a post
Speaker 1: following her death on social media, she said, our beautiful
Speaker 1: mother suddenly and very unexpectedly passed away recently. This has
Speaker 1: turned our world upside down. She was the light of
Speaker 1: our whole family, a real angel that we will forever
Speaker 1: miss and cherish. What an awful situation for this family.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely horrific and I did see a lot of
Speaker 1: people in Perth commenting that they had never heard about
Speaker 1: this murder, which I foundly interesting because I mean, Adelaide
Speaker 1: is the murder capital of Australia and when there is
Speaker 1: a murder, particularly one involving high profile people, you would.
Speaker 2: Hear a lot about it.
Speaker 1: It was during a time when COVID was just all
Speaker 1: over then, but I mean they would take a break
Speaker 1: to do a murder chop reason because it does involve
Speaker 1: high profile people. Maybe that's why there was a level
Speaker 1: of privacy around this, because, particularly with someone who shares
Speaker 1: a lot on social media, maybe they didn't want things
Speaker 1: to jeopardize. Well, I feel like that this comment, the
Speaker 1: triputes are very sudden and unexpected, and it almost sounds
Speaker 1: like they were passing the death off as a bit
Speaker 1: of an accident.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think.
Speaker 1: I think that initially it wasn't thought that it was
Speaker 1: a murder to begin with. Now since the news, understandably,
Speaker 1: Gracie has been absent from her social media.
Speaker 2: Legally, there's not much she's able to say.
Speaker 1: Interestingly, Andre used to be a main feature on her account,
Speaker 1: but he's been very absent the last year. I think
Speaker 1: partly she hasn't been posting as much, but I also
Speaker 1: think she may have wiped a lot of recent.
Speaker 2: I'm sure might have been archived. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, her friend Sky Wheatley has spoken and she did
Speaker 1: a Q and A and she was asked, what do
Speaker 1: you think about the case, and she said, I'm still
Speaker 1: out here telling people it's fake. I met him, he
Speaker 1: was so sweet and shy, like, surely not sending my
Speaker 1: love to them. It's enough to go through something like that,
Speaker 1: but for it to be posted all over the internet,
Speaker 1: and my god, it's actually sucks. Sorry you feel bad
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: So fucking stay out of the elane guy, like, fucking
Speaker 2: shut up. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: This poor family does not need any more with her
Speaker 1: speculating and saying like, let's leave it up to the
Speaker 1: investigators to find out what's happened.
Speaker 2: He hasn't pleaded yet.
Speaker 1: And I think we need to note that this case
Speaker 1: is going to be before the court soon and we
Speaker 1: probably will get drip fed information about what's going on
Speaker 1: as it unfolds in court. However, you've got to remember
Speaker 1: that the media have to be careful not to give
Speaker 1: too much information. That could sway a jury's opinion, because
Speaker 1: you could be in contempt of court and everybody.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure we know that I will never be
Speaker 5: able to give a fuck about another man other than
Speaker 5: my ex boyfriend.
Speaker 1: TikToker Mikayla Tester has offered up a cash reward of
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars for her ex boyfriend Addis Paul's iPhone
Speaker 1: share location. The former cryptocurrency king recently stopped sharing his
Speaker 1: location with the Only fan Star once photos emerged of
Speaker 1: her with a new guy. So I could do with
Speaker 1: a bit of cash injection. But before we get into that,
Speaker 1: who is this new guy? Well, his name is Andy
Speaker 1: the s K. I don't know if SK is some
Speaker 1: sort of gen Z word or term at the moment. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he is a TikToker with over four point six million followers,
Speaker 1: and he's known for producing videos where he goes basically
Speaker 1: somewhere like Rundell Male and interviews randoms and a lot
Speaker 1: of the content is also prank videos.
Speaker 2: It's all very staged.
Speaker 1: I always get shocked when I see people's content like this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, who is buying into this? Here's twenty dollars,
Speaker 1: I'm just giving this to you because out of an
Speaker 1: active kindness. Now I'm giving it to you because I
Speaker 1: want to go off on TikTok exactly now, Mikayla posted
Speaker 1: a photo in her feet of her and Andy, and
Speaker 1: in the photo she's affectionately holding his chin and she
Speaker 1: captured it with three stars. Now under the photo, of course,
Speaker 1: followers started jumping to conclusions that they were an item.
Speaker 1: But this was until a comment appeared from Andy's girlfriend
Speaker 1: saying not my boyfriend, with a melting face next to it.
Speaker 1: The girlfriend then proceeded to share on her own feed
Speaker 1: a photo of her with Andy and wrote, Mikayla Tester
Speaker 1: snatching up other people's boyfriends.
Speaker 2: Now, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine finding this photo like? It would be
Speaker 1: so humiliating. I'm sorry, but I sort of think, why
Speaker 1: is the girlfriend not mad at the boyfriend? Come on, Sophie,
Speaker 1: your reaction would be the exact same. It is internalized misogyny,
Speaker 1: But still I would be like, who is this bitch?
Speaker 1: Even though it's my boyfriend's fault. Look, I have a
Speaker 1: theory about Mikayla Tester. I think this breakup with Addis
Speaker 1: Paul is a complete publicity stunt. You see it all
Speaker 1: the time in the US, all these high powses, they
Speaker 1: have these stage relationships.
Speaker 2: This breakup to me seems fake.
Speaker 1: So I think this guy and this girl are in
Speaker 1: on it and they're trying to create some Are you
Speaker 1: saying that they weren't in a real relationship, in a
Speaker 1: real relationship because every time they do anything they get
Speaker 1: more followers. And now this guy, oh, he happens to
Speaker 1: have four point two million followers on TikTok and I've
Speaker 1: just put it fro. I think it makes more sense
Speaker 1: to make someone jealous by infiltrating their relationship forming. I
Speaker 1: don't think that Addis and mikayla breakup is fake. I
Speaker 1: think there is some validity to what you're saying. Amy.
Speaker 1: Now getting back to this photo with Andy, Michayla was
Speaker 1: coppying a lot of heat, so she put up a
Speaker 1: TikTok video explaining that she had no idea that Andy
Speaker 1: had a girlfriend. Here's what she said.
Speaker 5: I just want to squeam. I heard no idea that
Speaker 5: this this man had to go off riend. Number One,
Speaker 5: he didn't tell me. Number two, they don't callow each other.
Speaker 5: Number three, there's no photos on a social media numberfore
Speaker 5: it was just friendly anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where things got really interesting because in
Speaker 1: this video, Michayla said that the biggest reason why people
Speaker 1: shouldn't jump to conclusions about her and Andy is because
Speaker 1: everyone knows her heart is completely consumed by her ex
Speaker 1: boyfriend Addis Paul.
Speaker 2: Here's what she said.
Speaker 5: Everybody, I'm pretty sure we know that I will never
Speaker 5: be able to give a fuck about another man other
Speaker 5: than my ex boyfriend. Like I will never genuinely ever
Speaker 5: care about another man ever. Like my heart's completely occupied
Speaker 5: by my ex boyfriend forever. So like also, he stopped
Speaker 5: sharing his location with me when I posted that video.
Speaker 5: If this like a new girl or boy I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's talking to him and has his location, I will
Speaker 5: pay thirty thousand dollars for it.
Speaker 2: See what I mean?
Speaker 1: No one would genuinely post this sort of stuff because
Speaker 1: why would you want your ex knowing all of this information?
Speaker 2: Like she's trying to get him back.
Speaker 1: I think that's just her personality. Though she's kind of
Speaker 1: all over the pace and a bit of radic, But
Speaker 1: really I think that's just her trying to get him back.
Speaker 1: And I also think that has anyone noticed that there's
Speaker 1: been this shift in the way people view at us. Paul, like,
Speaker 1: even I think that he is now this lovable sweetheart,
Speaker 1: and I think it's got to do with the breakup.
Speaker 1: People are like, oh, like for some reason, you look
Speaker 1: at people differently when they're in a relationship compared to
Speaker 1: when they're single. This whole issue of paying for a
Speaker 1: location setting it reminds me of video. Okay, you sent
Speaker 1: me from the Tommy and Carry show and they were
Speaker 1: talking about is it okay to have.
Speaker 2: Your partner on the shared location.
Speaker 1: I think it's weird and I'm sorry, Amy. I know
Speaker 1: that you and Dale share location, but I just find
Speaker 1: it a bit controlling.
Speaker 2: What if I want to go by surprises.
Speaker 1: We did it kind of as a joke, like because
Speaker 1: Dale wasn't using Snapchat and when he was in Sydney,
Speaker 1: I liked seeing where he was on the map.
Speaker 2: So that was the only reason we don't have it
Speaker 2: as a controller when you could turn it off now
Speaker 2: if you want to, but we could.
Speaker 1: But you know what, sometimes it's nice because it can
Speaker 1: be like, oh, Dale's gone to the shop, I know
Speaker 1: where he is, I know he's safe, or like when
Speaker 1: he went on his trip for work.
Speaker 2: I could see where he was going here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also on the Carry and Tommy show, there
Speaker 1: were other rules. So this woman had to have her husband,
Speaker 1: they had to share their location, and they also had
Speaker 1: to have all their passwords for their phone social media accounts.
Speaker 1: Like to me, how are you meant to build trust
Speaker 1: with someone if they can't do anything that you're unaware of?
Speaker 2: I think that does sound a bit controlling.
Speaker 1: But for example, does everyone's partners know their pass code
Speaker 1: on their phone? Yeah? But what I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: it's not really trust there because you clearly don't trust
Speaker 1: the person if you have to have access to everyone.
Speaker 1: I think the rule that was fucked was that they
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to have any friends of the opposite gender.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a bit far.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now getting back to Mikayla and Addas, this revelation of
Speaker 1: the sharing of the location is quite big because everyone
Speaker 1: was speculating when Addis and Michayla broke up that it
Speaker 1: was odd that Michayla kept popping up in the same location.
Speaker 2: So she traveled to Europe and.
Speaker 1: Then she kept sort of trailing human being in the
Speaker 1: same locations he was just in.
Speaker 2: So it kind of adds more field to the fire.
Speaker 1: But the thing is how private is his location? He
Speaker 1: daily vlogs on TikTok, like it's not hard to see
Speaker 1: where he is. I do agree with you, Amy, I
Speaker 1: am now on the side of I think this is
Speaker 1: a publicity stunt because with Mikayla throwing out more little
Speaker 1: nuggets about the breakup, about the location setting, it all
Speaker 1: adds fuel to the fire that they're still talking and
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff, And it makes their teenage
Speaker 1: followers ship their relationship more and romanticize what they used
Speaker 1: to have and can you imagine they will finally get
Speaker 1: back together? Can you imagine huge the interactions on that point.
Speaker 1: Mikayla's already got two point two million followers I reckon.
Speaker 1: Before the breakup she had about a million follows. It's
Speaker 1: probably been good for her brand and his brand for
Speaker 1: them to be single. Addis has been able to have
Speaker 1: this huge move away from this cryptocurrency dickhead. As you said,
Speaker 1: he's now a sweetheart. All these girls probably like him.
Speaker 1: They want to get to Anna. The only people that
Speaker 1: are ever involved in their love lives other people on
Speaker 1: TikTok with millions of fires.
Speaker 2: That's who they are there.
Speaker 1: But to be fair, that's who they would circulate with.
Speaker 1: I do want to point out, though, do you think
Speaker 1: if a male offered thirty thousand dollars for a female's
Speaker 1: iPhone share location the reaction would be a.
Speaker 2: Little bit different. It would be completely different.
Speaker 1: He would be called possessive and controlling. I feel like
Speaker 1: there'd be so many think pieces about what an invasion
Speaker 1: of privacy in it, that it was abusive. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sure Bekayla is being called a bit of a psycho,
Speaker 1: a crazy ex girlfriend though for wanting that information. The
Speaker 1: thing is, can you actually like, if you've got Dale's information,
Speaker 1: can then you share it with me? I don't think
Speaker 1: that was possible. Maybe she'd just buy their whole SIM
Speaker 1: card or something. Buy your phone, I'll give her my
Speaker 1: phone if he's sharing his location too, unless he's on
Speaker 1: Snapchat or something on snap maps. Now that sounds like
Speaker 1: an iPhone sort of situation. I wonder if he has responded.
Speaker 2: To her over this. I'm sure they're talking.
Speaker 1: We'll followers a joking that they were going to put
Speaker 1: air tags in his car to keep her posting easy,
Speaker 1: with Anna's car being that whole whiteboard situation.
Speaker 4: This is my dress. I designed this, I designed the print.
Speaker 4: It took us twelve months to develop because it was
Speaker 4: the first print that we ever did, And this is
Speaker 4: what Valley Girl.
Speaker 2: Have done Influenza.
Speaker 1: M Davies has hit out Valley Girl for allegedly stealing
Speaker 1: her clothing brand Venoms design.
Speaker 2: So what has gone down?
Speaker 1: Well? M Davies has been receiving an influx of dms
Speaker 1: from her followers sending her photos of address at Valley
Speaker 1: Girl and the pattern looks near identical to address from
Speaker 1: her collection. So she shared a video in TikTok blasting
Speaker 1: the fast fashion brand and showing the two dresses side
Speaker 1: by side, and the print is pretty much exactly the
Speaker 1: same and I was shocked when I saw it.
Speaker 2: They even put the brand name on it Venna, Well, like,
Speaker 2: how do they do that?
Speaker 1: I Mean, we've spoken a few times about how there
Speaker 1: is a loophole and basically, if you haven't trademarked your brand,
Speaker 1: other people can just steal it and literally do this.
Speaker 2: This is not illegal for Valley Girl to do.
Speaker 1: Well. Em said understandably that she was completely heartbroken and
Speaker 1: that the design took twelve months to develop and the
Speaker 1: pattern is very distinct. It has Cherry's post stamps and
Speaker 1: what looks like Casino chips on it, and as you
Speaker 1: guys said, it even has the word Venom on it.
Speaker 1: You think they would have put in Bali, Vally Girl
Speaker 1: or anything. Here's what Em said about it.
Speaker 4: Like, my brand name is in your stores across Australia.
Speaker 4: You could have at least taken out my brand name right.
Speaker 4: Your brand is Valley Girl, not Venom.
Speaker 1: So Em has confirmed that there is nothing that she
Speaker 1: can do legally because the design was not trademarked, and
Speaker 1: she also said there is no way that the manufacturers
Speaker 1: have reproduced the fabric because it is slightly different. She said,
Speaker 1: they've bought her dress and then just ripped it off.
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't something new that we've seen, but
Speaker 1: I think on this scale of replicating the material so
Speaker 1: closely that has her brand name on it is pretty shocking.
Speaker 1: And you know, while Valley Girl hasn't done anything legally wrong, morally,
Speaker 1: it does seem very wrong to do this. How do
Speaker 1: you guys feel though, that this is a fast fashioned
Speaker 1: brand that is ripping off really a small business, like
Speaker 1: she is an influencer, However, this is business.
Speaker 2: That she run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's pretty disgusting. As Kate said, even
Speaker 1: though it's not illegal, I think morally it's very wrong.
Speaker 1: And I just think, how do they expect to get
Speaker 1: away with it?
Speaker 2: Well, they can get away with it because it's not illegal.
Speaker 2: It's a sense of that.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't call them out. It'd be bad publicity. It
Speaker 1: kind of played into Valley Girl's hands because the people are.
Speaker 2: Going to go, oh, I actually get that for cheaper.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think EM's version of it was one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five dollars. I went to look at Valley
Speaker 1: Girl's website, which is a.
Speaker 2: Piece of shit. I couldn't even find the dress. Probably
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and eight when that was I
Speaker 2: forgot it even existed. Value Girl. Well, do you know
Speaker 2: what was super awkward?
Speaker 1: So Em initially got her wires crossed, and she originally
Speaker 1: did a TikTok video slamming Ali Fashion because multiple followers
Speaker 1: sent in DM saying they've Ali Fashion has copied your design.
Speaker 1: So she did use this video to apologize to Ali Fashion,
Speaker 1: and she said it was her fault and she should
Speaker 1: have done her research, but she was so upset and
Speaker 1: frustrated in the moment and she said she is going.
Speaker 2: To learn from it. Poor Ali fashion.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that is all we have time for today.
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