1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, influencer Gracie Piskapo's baby daddy 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: charge over the alleged murder of his own mother. Beck 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Judd slam for charging a monthly subscription feed for exclusive 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Instagram content, Mikayla Tester offers up thirty thousand dollars to 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: see ex partner Addis Paul's shared location again, and m 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Davies hits out at Valley Girl. 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: news twice a week. I'm Amy Torbert, and I'm so 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: excited because tonight I'm putting up my Christmas lights. 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 2: You're not doing that. 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: The day before you're engagement party, are you. 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: Well, of course I am, because I want everyone to 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: see them. Oh my god. 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: Amy sitting here before we started recording, stressing like I've 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: got so much to do, and I'm like, please, don't 17 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: do things that aren't necessary. Look when you see them 18 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: on Saturday, it's gonna look amazing. I have a bone 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: to pick though, with the stores that are selling Christmas 20 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: lights at the moment. I want gold lights. They're labeled 21 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: as warm white. I went, I got some lights they're friggin' white. 22 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: They are not gold. I don't like them as well. 23 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: Gold should be just gold. White should be white. Why 24 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: is that so difficult? 25 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: One k Torbert and I was feeling a strange sense 26 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: of pride and shock on the weekend when my partner 27 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: pulled out the worm on the dance floor for his. 28 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: Brother's birthday party. 29 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: We need to give context because this was a dancer's 30 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: birthday party, so there was a lot of amazing dances 31 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: on the dance floor and the song that was playing 32 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: was Pony, so it was a bit of a stripped 33 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: stripper move. I feel like, yeah, so Reese's brother, Ryan, 34 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: as you said, is a professional dancer. His friend Ricky 35 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: was also there that's a professional dancer, and they were 36 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: getting ready to have a bit of a dance off. However, 37 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: Reese ran in and just shocked everyone by doing the worm. 38 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: I feel like we need to almost share the video 39 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: dance the story. Is this going to be an indication 40 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: of what your wedding dance is going to be? 41 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: Like, oh my god. It was put a bit of 42 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: pressure on me. I was thinking about that. Have you 43 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: guys started planning a special dance? 44 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: Yes, we have got the song picked out, but we 45 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: haven't actually started doing any rehearsals or anything. 46 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: I think it was a few weeks out. 47 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: Do we get a sneak peak of what the song 48 00:01:59,480 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: is is? 49 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: Oh, let's just keep it under wrapped for now. 50 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: Well, I'm Saphie to Albert, and I felt like I 51 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: went on a very nostalgic trip down memory lane because 52 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: I came across this meme and it was of a 53 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: toy called a sky Dancer. So it's one of those 54 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: toys you pull the lever and this little doll sort 55 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: of spins. 56 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: In the air. 57 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 2: You need to have. 58 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: It's a string, a string, yeah them, Yeah. And I 59 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: put a call out to Instagram asking listeners what their 60 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: favorite nineties toys were, and I'd forgotten so many. So 61 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: one of my favorites that I've forgotten about is Tipsy Tail, and. 62 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: You pulled the ponytail through. 63 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 64 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: And then there was Katie Kiss, which. 65 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: You got Tipsy Tail for our sixth birth day and 66 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: I got Katie Kiss and I got the other one 67 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,279 Speaker 1: that I really want to bring back is a Tamagotchi. 68 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have enough things to look after, 69 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: but Tamagotchi's you can buy them at the moment. 70 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: Okay, I've got to get one. And what about the 71 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: digimons as well? And the poll pocket? 72 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you remember they had that Pika chew. 73 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: It was a bit like a tamagotchi except to have pokey. Yeah, 74 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: and he had to walk in order to get coin, 75 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: So there was this incentive to exercise, but it was 76 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: only to gamble. 77 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: You could also just shake it, yeah, which is why. 78 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: I saw on Etsy they're selling a lot of these 79 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: old games, and someone's trying to sell the Ferby for 80 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: a couple of hundred dollars. I got a Ferbie on 81 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: Facebook Marketplace and flipped it and sold it for a lot. Really, 82 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: they are in high demand. I remember they were so 83 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: expensive when they first came out, and I thought it 84 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: was so cool because that cousin had her twenty first 85 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: and she got given a Ferbie. 86 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: So people want to know what they get when they 87 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: subscribe to me. I think it's all so new, like 88 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: I've literally just enabled it today. 89 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: I just saw it come up on my Instagram that 90 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: I was eligible. 91 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: Beck Jad has put herself forward as a guinea pig 92 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: for Instagram's latest feature, in a bid to compete with 93 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: only fans and sunroom. Instagram is rolling out a subscription 94 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: based program for its top creators. Okay, how has this 95 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: decision gone for Beck? Well? 96 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: Not great. 97 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: People have labeled it as a cash grab and said 98 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: that she's out of touch, and a lot of the 99 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: commentary seemed to center around the fact that Beck already 100 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: earns lot of money through paid partnerships. 101 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: So why does she need more money? 102 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: Now? There's a lot to unpack there. But why I 103 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: think that she pissed off so many people is that 104 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: she launched the subscriptions with the story asking followers to 105 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: tell her what they wanted to receive as a paid subscriber. 106 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't think that was very step. You're but Kate, 107 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: We've got to remember she is huge on Instagram. Yes, 108 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: she might not be sharing about her life in the 109 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: way that other influencers do by giving them an all 110 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: access pass, but I think that people are going to 111 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: be very interested in that, even if she doesn't know 112 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: exactly what she's giving. The thing is, though, Sophie, a 113 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: lot of people are interested in following along with people's 114 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: lives when it's for free and they're not having to 115 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: actually shell out their hard earned cash for it. Beck 116 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: is charging four dollars forty nine a month to see 117 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: her exclusive content and she hasn't even got a strategy 118 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: or a plan behind what she's giving out before people 119 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: pay for I found it quite interesting because there are 120 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: some other influencers who are also offering this subscription, but 121 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: they haven't seemed to have got as much hate as Beck, 122 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: and I think the reason is there are influences out 123 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: there and there are question marks over sort of why 124 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: people follow them, because a lot of people have said, well, 125 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm happy to subscribe to something where I'm actually getting 126 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: something back. So whether that might be, for example, a 127 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: podcast you might get extra content, or whether it's a 128 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 1: motivational speaker and they give you tips, or a videographer 129 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: or a videographer that you learn step by step. But 130 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: I think the question mark is what is the content 131 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: that beck is offering up for this four dollars forty 132 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: nine a month. Going back to the price case, I 133 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: didn't think that four forty nine was a huge amount 134 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: to pay for a subscription. However, once you do have 135 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: to start paying for all of the people that you 136 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: enjoy following on instagramming becomes very costly. See I thought 137 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: four forty nine was ridiculous for a subscription to beck Judd. 138 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: Think about how much Amazon costs. That's six dollars Amazon Prime, 139 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: six dollars a month. So you're paying a dollar less 140 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: to get beck Judd's content than you are for a 141 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: streaming platform that's got you know, it depends, it depends 142 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: what she's actually offering more. Let's get into that, because 143 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: on Sunday she didn't know and she put up a 144 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: box asking her followers to give her some ideas. She's 145 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: obviously developed the idea a little bit more because when 146 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: you click on a subscribe button, she's now come up 147 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: with a real and I don't think the real really 148 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: helped because it was just her taking selfies and her 149 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: posing at photo shoots and pouting, and there was a 150 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: little bit of better. There was a little bit of 151 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: Chris Judd in there, and her kids. And in the caption, 152 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: she said that subscribers will be taken behind the scenes 153 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: of her newest design projects and social events, as well 154 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: as get exclusive offers from her partners. She also said 155 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: it would be an open channel for more communication between 156 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: me and my most dedicated followers. She ended up saying 157 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: this is all new to me, so let's see how 158 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: this goes. 159 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: Now. 160 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: The whole communication thing interested me because for me, I 161 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: don't really find Beck Judd someone that is really interactive 162 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: on her social media accounts. There's people like flex Marmie 163 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: who has already started making money off Instagram by setting 164 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: up a close Friends account where people pay to be 165 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: on her close Friends list, and Amy, as you were saying, 166 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: there were some influencers that have already started monetizing Instagram 167 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: in this way that subscribers pay for their content. However, 168 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: they haven't received backlash, and I do think it has 169 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: a lot to do with the fact that Beck Judd 170 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: does push a lot of sponsored posts and a lot 171 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: of content that's probably not very reachable. It's very aesthetic 172 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: and aspirational, but it's not very down to earth. 173 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: And I think that Beck's. 174 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: Suddenly saying, oh, well, now that I'm getting a bit 175 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: of money, I'm happy to take you behind the scenes 176 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: of what I'm doing. We've got to remember she's an entrepreneur. 177 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: She's also a speech pathologist. Everyone's acting like she's this dumb, 178 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: stereotypical influencer. She's a forty year old woman who has 179 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: a lot of experience in the industry, and I think 180 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: you're sort of downplaying, but she's all about it. I 181 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: just I think a lot of people think it's a 182 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: bit rich to be like, actually, I'm going to start 183 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: offering content about my life, Sophie. I'm not saying that 184 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: beck Judd is an intelligent and she hasn't been a 185 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: speech pathologist in her life, but what would have been 186 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: an intelligent social media strategy was coming up what you 187 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: were going to be offering your followers before you started saying, oh, 188 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: we'll pay me five dollars and I'll come up with 189 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: it as I go. I mean she's trialing the tech though, 190 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: to be honest, like she's one of the first people 191 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: in Australia, but she chose to. I mean, yes, it's 192 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: pretty brave because she's copped a lot of negative feedback. 193 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: Another influencer who has done the same is Sophie Guidolin, 194 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: and she is a fitness influencer who is actually charging 195 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: seven dollars forty nine a month. Come she's not copying it, well, 196 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: she is copying it because what she's done is she 197 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: has put her wedding photos behind a paywalk because she 198 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: eloped a couple of weeks back, and she hasn't actually 199 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: shared any of the photos with her followers. And she 200 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: came out and said the reason for this is because 201 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: when she got engaged on her European trip, she found 202 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: out that she was packed, and she found that was 203 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: a real invasion of her privacy. So she started to 204 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: think differently about how she shares content. But then a 205 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: lot of people are like, oh, well, you're happy to 206 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: put it behind a payment. 207 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: I don't see anything wrong with that. 208 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: What's it any different from celebrities selling their wedding photos 209 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: to magazine. 210 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what Sophia said. 211 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: I think that we all assume that we're all owed 212 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: everything for free. I think, but kang on, but Sophie. 213 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: Influencers don't put that content up for free. We talk 214 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: a lot about how influencers monetize their life events. So 215 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: they might think, well, I'm not getting paid X amount 216 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: for it, but they are because they get more followers, 217 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: and the more followers they have, the higher advertising dollars 218 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: they charge. Because the whole, the whole thing about Instagram, 219 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: it is based on eyeballs. 220 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: You attract, you attract the eyeballs and you attrack. 221 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: You can see the path that they're trying to go down. 222 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: A lot of influencers would say, well, I want to 223 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: do a subscription base, so then I don't actually have 224 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: to be spooking protein Pa. That's the way I think 225 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: people pissed off with beck jud because she's like, oh, 226 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: and I'll offer you new I'll offer you partnership deal. Yeah, 227 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, but hang on, that's an ad within see. 228 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: I actually think this subscription speature could be good in 229 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,359 Speaker 1: a sense that we're going to get the best from influencers, 230 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: because I definitely am sick of seeing a lot of ads. 231 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: I know that it comes with the deal of getting 232 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: access to people's lives, but this is probably content when 233 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: we're not going to see. 234 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: A whole pay for it. 235 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm not sitting there and being like, the thing is, 236 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: if I had to actually pay for people that I 237 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: follow on Instagram's content, I don't even I kind of 238 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: think of one that I probably pay for a few 239 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of journalists will be paying 240 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: for it because they're going to get access to all 241 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: of these new stories, so it's going to be printed everywhere. Anyway, 242 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying to there's a feature where you can't screen records. Well, 243 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: that's the thing, because I really think it comes down 244 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: to the term influencer, because it's very loaded and at 245 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: the moment, there is a negative connotation with the word, 246 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: and most influencers want to be referred to as content creators. 247 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: And I do think that this is a perfect platform 248 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: for genuine content creators who put time and effort into 249 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: their craft. 250 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 2: And I think people are willing. 251 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: To pay for perceived effort, but I don't think people 252 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: are willing to pay for oh, let me take you 253 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: behind the scenes of my life, because that's the content 254 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: we expect to get for free on Instagram. Well, with 255 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: Sophie Gwidlin, I could see her actually putting up some 256 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: really good fitness content that people would want to follow 257 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: that with a hair I go, yeah, I can see 258 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: by changing she's offering exclusive recipes and workouts, coaching access 259 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: to her launchers, and also you know, behind the scenes photos, 260 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: which is the most controversial part of it. But to 261 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: me that makes more sense because she basically said she 262 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: used to have a closed Facebook group where she would 263 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: put a lot of her coaching information and now she's 264 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: going to be offering that as a subscription on her platform, 265 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: and the reality is, if you don't want to subscribe 266 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: to Beck Judd, don't subscribe. 267 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: The thing is I genuinely enjoy following Beck Judge. 268 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: She's one of the first people that I followed on Instagram, 269 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: and I think she does face a lot of unfair 270 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: criticism as a female entrepreneur. Okay, Sophie, but put your 271 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: money where your mouth is. Would you pay four dollars 272 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: forty nine a month to subscribe to her channel? 273 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: This is the same person need to sign up for 274 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: the Sunny app, So she might because I. 275 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: Probably wouldn't pay it at this stage. But if I 276 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: start hearing in the media that she's dropping some absolute 277 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: bombs or she's videos like Nadia bok it came up, 278 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: who is going to be able to afford to subscribe 279 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: to all their favorite influencers because the cost of living 280 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: is so expensive, interest rates are going up, Like, I 281 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: just don't understand how this is feasible at all. I 282 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: am interested to see how Instagram users do embrace this 283 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: subscription because it has the potential to change influencing and 284 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: also Instagram as we know it. 285 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. As I said earlier. 286 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: Instagram has always been a place where you trade eyeballs 287 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: for advertising dollars, and now the whole model is turning 288 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: on its head, where influencers are going to be having 289 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: to abtract their own followers who are directly paying them, 290 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: And how do you operate like that because they're still 291 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: going to be having to do their typical ads on 292 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: their public channel. So are we just going to see 293 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: Instagram turn into ads for all the ads are on 294 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: the free channel and then all the stuff we actually 295 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: want to watch we have to pay for. Now. I'm 296 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: interested to see how much Instagram is getting as a 297 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: percentage for this, because like only fans, I think only 298 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: fans takes is it five percent or something along those lines. 299 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: So it does seem like a move. 300 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: From Instagram to actually try and recoup some of the 301 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: money that's been spake because obviously influencers they take the 302 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: full cut of advertisers spend and Instagram's not getting any 303 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, that's a really good point. I do 304 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: wonder if this could be the death of Instagram or 305 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: be a revolution, because it's quite clear that they can't 306 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: continue on the way that they are. TikTok has taken 307 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: a lot of their users away, and I mean I 308 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: do I do wonder how this will affect platforms like 309 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: OnlyFans and sun Room. I actually think it could actually 310 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: help Instagram because although we're talking about, well, how much 311 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: free content are they going to put out? I think 312 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: as an influencer, as you said, people are only going 313 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: to have a certain amount of money to spend on 314 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: their favorite influencers, So you're actually going to have to 315 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: be putting out pretty like quality content for free for 316 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: people to go, oh wow, I actually want to buy 317 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: your content, because if you're just putting out ads, why 318 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: is anyone going to say? 319 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 2: I think that's why. 320 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: People are so up in arms about Beck Judge charging 321 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: for content, because I think the quality recently hasn't been 322 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: there with her organic and anyone who follows Gary veeve 323 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: Widow the whole marketing it's meant to be give, give, give, give, give, 324 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: then ask for something you don't just ask ask. She's 325 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: been on there for ten years, yes, yeah, but she's 326 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: not giving given giving content. 327 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: She takes takes by putting up pieces of ads all 328 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: the time. 329 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: But she's also someone who maybe now where she's actually 330 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: getting paid for it. 331 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 2: She might invest in time. But that's the thing I 332 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: don't think. 333 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: I think it was a spare of the moment decision 334 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: to put up the subscription. Yeah, come pay me, I'll 335 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: get some extra cash. This is going to be a 336 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: full time job for influencers. They're going to actually have 337 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: to put effort into this because if you look at 338 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: subscription like, you know what you get when you sign 339 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: up to Netflix, you know what you get when you 340 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: say you sign up to Mom and me are out loud, 341 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: they are. They give you two extra podcasts a week 342 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: and you get access to all their content. When you 343 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: sign up to bet Judd, I have no idea what 344 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: I'm getting. She's still making up the formula. 345 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome to our YouTube channel. 346 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: Got some deliveries from baby Fashion. I'm going to show 347 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: you guys what I got and do a little bit 348 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: of a try on a whole. The boyfriend and baby 349 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: daddy of Perth influencer Grazie Piscopo has been charged over 350 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: the alleged murder of his own mother Amy. 351 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: This has shocked the Internet. 352 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: It really has because Gracie has over one million Instagram 353 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: followers and she does live a very picturesque life. With 354 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: her parst Andre online. So Gracie is followed by the 355 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: likes of UK influencer Royalty, Molly May, Haigu, Saffron Barker, 356 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: Grace Beverly and even Lottie Tomlinson. Is it wrong that 357 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: I've actually never heard of her until this to either? 358 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: I suppose that's his Instagram for you. 359 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: There are so many people that have a million followers 360 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: and you're like, I could walk past on the street 361 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: and no, no, Well, her career took off in twenty 362 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: nineteen because she modeled for Chloe Kardashian's Good American clothing brand, 363 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: So I feel like this is the last thing followers 364 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: would have expected that she would have been making headlines 365 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: about Amy. What do we know about her boyfriend, Andre Rabello. Well, 366 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: he's a twenty six year old self proclaimed cryptocurrency dealer 367 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: and he has been working as Gracie's manager. So he 368 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: also shares a son with Gracie and it appears they 369 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: have been dating since twenty fifteen. 370 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: Wow, so for seven years. Yeah, so he is. 371 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: Literally all over her YouTube channel. 372 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: I went and had a little bit of a look. 373 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: She's not as big. 374 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: On YouTube as she is on Instagram. I think some 375 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: of her videos were getting around the five thousand views. 376 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: She had a really awkward one where it was they 377 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: were putting up their Christmas tree last year. That's been 378 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: splashed all over the news talking about awkward. Did you 379 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: see what influencer updates Au shared. So there was a 380 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: TikTok of Gracie dressed up as tinker Bell at Halloween 381 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: and let's throw to the clip, are you guilty or 382 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: not guilty? 383 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 3: Guilty? Don't you know you might have killed her? 384 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 4: Take a bell? 385 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: Holy fuck? I actually saw someone share that in tea 386 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: time as well. 387 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very awkward, and I think we should get 388 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: into what we know about the charges. So Andre has 389 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: been charged with the murder of his mother, Colleen. She 390 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: very sadly passed away in May twenty twenty, and he's 391 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: also been charged with a string of fraud charges which 392 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: are allegedly linked to his mother's death. Now it's important 393 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: to note he has denied the charges and he will 394 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: be back in court on the twenty first of December 395 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: and possibly could receive bail. I was listening to the 396 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: press conference with the police detective who is in charge 397 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: of this investigation, and he dropped some interesting details. So 398 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: he said the investigation was a complex one which drew 399 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: on a lot of resources. He said, it's taken two 400 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: years to get it to this point, and it's an 401 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: example of how we will not stop until we thoroughly 402 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: investigate and bring these things to a conclusion. Now, this 403 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: detective refused to answer any questions about how Miss Rebello died, 404 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: but he did confirm that a family member had made 405 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: the triple zero call back in May twenty twenty. Now 406 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: WA Today are also reporting that the matter has been 407 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: listed in the court filings as a domestic violence case. 408 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: So at the time of Miss Rebello's death, there were 409 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: tributes online from family and friends, and they expressed their 410 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: complete shock at her sudden passing. One of the tributes 411 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: read beautiful, strong, moraued and devoted mother, while mister Rebello's 412 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: daughter Monique said the family were heartbroken. In a post 413 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: following her death on social media, she said, our beautiful 414 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: mother suddenly and very unexpectedly passed away recently. This has 415 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: turned our world upside down. She was the light of 416 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: our whole family, a real angel that we will forever 417 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: miss and cherish. What an awful situation for this family. 418 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: It's absolutely horrific and I did see a lot of 419 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: people in Perth commenting that they had never heard about 420 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: this murder, which I foundly interesting because I mean, Adelaide 421 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: is the murder capital of Australia and when there is 422 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: a murder, particularly one involving high profile people, you would. 423 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: Hear a lot about it. 424 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: It was during a time when COVID was just all 425 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: over then, but I mean they would take a break 426 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: to do a murder chop reason because it does involve 427 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: high profile people. Maybe that's why there was a level 428 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: of privacy around this, because, particularly with someone who shares 429 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: a lot on social media, maybe they didn't want things 430 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: to jeopardize. Well, I feel like that this comment, the 431 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: triputes are very sudden and unexpected, and it almost sounds 432 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: like they were passing the death off as a bit 433 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: of an accident. 434 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think. 435 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: I think that initially it wasn't thought that it was 436 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: a murder to begin with. Now since the news, understandably, 437 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: Gracie has been absent from her social media. 438 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: Legally, there's not much she's able to say. 439 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: Interestingly, Andre used to be a main feature on her account, 440 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: but he's been very absent the last year. I think 441 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: partly she hasn't been posting as much, but I also 442 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: think she may have wiped a lot of recent. 443 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 2: I'm sure might have been archived. Yeah. 444 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: Well, her friend Sky Wheatley has spoken and she did 445 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: a Q and A and she was asked, what do 446 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: you think about the case, and she said, I'm still 447 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: out here telling people it's fake. I met him, he 448 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: was so sweet and shy, like, surely not sending my 449 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: love to them. It's enough to go through something like that, 450 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: but for it to be posted all over the internet, 451 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: and my god, it's actually sucks. Sorry you feel bad 452 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: for them. 453 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: So fucking stay out of the elane guy, like, fucking 454 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: shut up. I'm sorry. 455 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: This poor family does not need any more with her 456 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: speculating and saying like, let's leave it up to the 457 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: investigators to find out what's happened. 458 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: He hasn't pleaded yet. 459 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: And I think we need to note that this case 460 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: is going to be before the court soon and we 461 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: probably will get drip fed information about what's going on 462 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: as it unfolds in court. However, you've got to remember 463 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: that the media have to be careful not to give 464 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: too much information. That could sway a jury's opinion, because 465 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: you could be in contempt of court and everybody. 466 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure we know that I will never be 467 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 5: able to give a fuck about another man other than 468 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 5: my ex boyfriend. 469 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: TikToker Mikayla Tester has offered up a cash reward of 470 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars for her ex boyfriend Addis Paul's iPhone 471 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: share location. The former cryptocurrency king recently stopped sharing his 472 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: location with the Only fan Star once photos emerged of 473 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: her with a new guy. So I could do with 474 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: a bit of cash injection. But before we get into that, 475 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: who is this new guy? Well, his name is Andy 476 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: the s K. I don't know if SK is some 477 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: sort of gen Z word or term at the moment. Anyway, 478 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: he is a TikToker with over four point six million followers, 479 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: and he's known for producing videos where he goes basically 480 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: somewhere like Rundell Male and interviews randoms and a lot 481 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: of the content is also prank videos. 482 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: It's all very staged. 483 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: I always get shocked when I see people's content like this. 484 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, who is buying into this? Here's twenty dollars, 485 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: I'm just giving this to you because out of an 486 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: active kindness. Now I'm giving it to you because I 487 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: want to go off on TikTok exactly now, Mikayla posted 488 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: a photo in her feet of her and Andy, and 489 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: in the photo she's affectionately holding his chin and she 490 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: captured it with three stars. Now under the photo, of course, 491 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: followers started jumping to conclusions that they were an item. 492 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: But this was until a comment appeared from Andy's girlfriend 493 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: saying not my boyfriend, with a melting face next to it. 494 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: The girlfriend then proceeded to share on her own feed 495 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: a photo of her with Andy and wrote, Mikayla Tester 496 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: snatching up other people's boyfriends. 497 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: Now, oh my god. 498 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: Can you imagine finding this photo like? It would be 499 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: so humiliating. I'm sorry, but I sort of think, why 500 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: is the girlfriend not mad at the boyfriend? Come on, Sophie, 501 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: your reaction would be the exact same. It is internalized misogyny, 502 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: But still I would be like, who is this bitch? 503 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: Even though it's my boyfriend's fault. Look, I have a 504 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: theory about Mikayla Tester. I think this breakup with Addis 505 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: Paul is a complete publicity stunt. You see it all 506 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: the time in the US, all these high powses, they 507 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: have these stage relationships. 508 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: This breakup to me seems fake. 509 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: So I think this guy and this girl are in 510 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: on it and they're trying to create some Are you 511 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: saying that they weren't in a real relationship, in a 512 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: real relationship because every time they do anything they get 513 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: more followers. And now this guy, oh, he happens to 514 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: have four point two million followers on TikTok and I've 515 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: just put it fro. I think it makes more sense 516 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: to make someone jealous by infiltrating their relationship forming. I 517 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: don't think that Addis and mikayla breakup is fake. I 518 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: think there is some validity to what you're saying. Amy. 519 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: Now getting back to this photo with Andy, Michayla was 520 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: coppying a lot of heat, so she put up a 521 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: TikTok video explaining that she had no idea that Andy 522 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: had a girlfriend. Here's what she said. 523 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 5: I just want to squeam. I heard no idea that 524 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 5: this this man had to go off riend. Number One, 525 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 5: he didn't tell me. Number two, they don't callow each other. 526 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 5: Number three, there's no photos on a social media numberfore 527 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 5: it was just friendly anyway. 528 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where things got really interesting because in 529 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: this video, Michayla said that the biggest reason why people 530 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: shouldn't jump to conclusions about her and Andy is because 531 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: everyone knows her heart is completely consumed by her ex 532 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: boyfriend Addis Paul. 533 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 534 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 5: Everybody, I'm pretty sure we know that I will never 535 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 5: be able to give a fuck about another man other 536 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 5: than my ex boyfriend. Like I will never genuinely ever 537 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 5: care about another man ever. Like my heart's completely occupied 538 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 5: by my ex boyfriend forever. So like also, he stopped 539 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 5: sharing his location with me when I posted that video. 540 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 5: If this like a new girl or boy I don't know, 541 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 5: it's talking to him and has his location, I will 542 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 5: pay thirty thousand dollars for it. 543 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 2: See what I mean? 544 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: No one would genuinely post this sort of stuff because 545 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: why would you want your ex knowing all of this information? 546 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 2: Like she's trying to get him back. 547 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: I think that's just her personality. Though she's kind of 548 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: all over the pace and a bit of radic, But 549 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: really I think that's just her trying to get him back. 550 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: And I also think that has anyone noticed that there's 551 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: been this shift in the way people view at us. Paul, like, 552 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: even I think that he is now this lovable sweetheart, 553 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: and I think it's got to do with the breakup. 554 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: People are like, oh, like for some reason, you look 555 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: at people differently when they're in a relationship compared to 556 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: when they're single. This whole issue of paying for a 557 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: location setting it reminds me of video. Okay, you sent 558 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: me from the Tommy and Carry show and they were 559 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: talking about is it okay to have. 560 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: Your partner on the shared location. 561 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: I think it's weird and I'm sorry, Amy. I know 562 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: that you and Dale share location, but I just find 563 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: it a bit controlling. 564 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 2: What if I want to go by surprises. 565 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: We did it kind of as a joke, like because 566 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: Dale wasn't using Snapchat and when he was in Sydney, 567 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: I liked seeing where he was on the map. 568 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 2: So that was the only reason we don't have it 569 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: as a controller when you could turn it off now 570 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: if you want to, but we could. 571 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: But you know what, sometimes it's nice because it can 572 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: be like, oh, Dale's gone to the shop, I know 573 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: where he is, I know he's safe, or like when 574 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: he went on his trip for work. 575 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: I could see where he was going here. 576 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but also on the Carry and Tommy show, there 577 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: were other rules. So this woman had to have her husband, 578 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: they had to share their location, and they also had 579 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: to have all their passwords for their phone social media accounts. 580 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: Like to me, how are you meant to build trust 581 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: with someone if they can't do anything that you're unaware of? 582 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: I think that does sound a bit controlling. 583 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: But for example, does everyone's partners know their pass code 584 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: on their phone? Yeah? But what I'm saying is that 585 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: it's not really trust there because you clearly don't trust 586 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: the person if you have to have access to everyone. 587 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: I think the rule that was fucked was that they 588 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: weren't allowed to have any friends of the opposite gender. 589 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a bit far. 590 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. 591 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: Now getting back to Mikayla and Addas, this revelation of 592 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: the sharing of the location is quite big because everyone 593 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: was speculating when Addis and Michayla broke up that it 594 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: was odd that Michayla kept popping up in the same location. 595 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: So she traveled to Europe and. 596 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: Then she kept sort of trailing human being in the 597 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: same locations he was just in. 598 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: So it kind of adds more field to the fire. 599 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: But the thing is how private is his location? He 600 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: daily vlogs on TikTok, like it's not hard to see 601 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: where he is. I do agree with you, Amy, I 602 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: am now on the side of I think this is 603 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: a publicity stunt because with Mikayla throwing out more little 604 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: nuggets about the breakup, about the location setting, it all 605 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: adds fuel to the fire that they're still talking and 606 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff, And it makes their teenage 607 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: followers ship their relationship more and romanticize what they used 608 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: to have and can you imagine they will finally get 609 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: back together? Can you imagine huge the interactions on that point. 610 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: Mikayla's already got two point two million followers I reckon. 611 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: Before the breakup she had about a million follows. It's 612 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: probably been good for her brand and his brand for 613 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: them to be single. Addis has been able to have 614 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: this huge move away from this cryptocurrency dickhead. As you said, 615 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 1: he's now a sweetheart. All these girls probably like him. 616 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: They want to get to Anna. The only people that 617 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: are ever involved in their love lives other people on 618 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: TikTok with millions of fires. 619 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: That's who they are there. 620 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: But to be fair, that's who they would circulate with. 621 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: I do want to point out, though, do you think 622 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: if a male offered thirty thousand dollars for a female's 623 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: iPhone share location the reaction would be a. 624 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 2: Little bit different. It would be completely different. 625 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: He would be called possessive and controlling. I feel like 626 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: there'd be so many think pieces about what an invasion 627 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: of privacy in it, that it was abusive. Yeah, I'm 628 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: sure Bekayla is being called a bit of a psycho, 629 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: a crazy ex girlfriend though for wanting that information. The 630 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: thing is, can you actually like, if you've got Dale's information, 631 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: can then you share it with me? I don't think 632 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: that was possible. Maybe she'd just buy their whole SIM 633 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: card or something. Buy your phone, I'll give her my 634 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: phone if he's sharing his location too, unless he's on 635 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: Snapchat or something on snap maps. Now that sounds like 636 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: an iPhone sort of situation. I wonder if he has responded. 637 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: To her over this. I'm sure they're talking. 638 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: We'll followers a joking that they were going to put 639 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: air tags in his car to keep her posting easy, 640 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: with Anna's car being that whole whiteboard situation. 641 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 4: This is my dress. I designed this, I designed the print. 642 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 4: It took us twelve months to develop because it was 643 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 4: the first print that we ever did, And this is 644 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 4: what Valley Girl. 645 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: Have done Influenza. 646 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: M Davies has hit out Valley Girl for allegedly stealing 647 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: her clothing brand Venoms design. 648 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: So what has gone down? 649 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: Well? M Davies has been receiving an influx of dms 650 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: from her followers sending her photos of address at Valley 651 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: Girl and the pattern looks near identical to address from 652 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: her collection. So she shared a video in TikTok blasting 653 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: the fast fashion brand and showing the two dresses side 654 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: by side, and the print is pretty much exactly the 655 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: same and I was shocked when I saw it. 656 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: They even put the brand name on it Venna, Well, like, 657 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: how do they do that? 658 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: I Mean, we've spoken a few times about how there 659 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: is a loophole and basically, if you haven't trademarked your brand, 660 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: other people can just steal it and literally do this. 661 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: This is not illegal for Valley Girl to do. 662 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: Well. Em said understandably that she was completely heartbroken and 663 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: that the design took twelve months to develop and the 664 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: pattern is very distinct. It has Cherry's post stamps and 665 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: what looks like Casino chips on it, and as you 666 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: guys said, it even has the word Venom on it. 667 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: You think they would have put in Bali, Vally Girl 668 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: or anything. Here's what Em said about it. 669 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 4: Like, my brand name is in your stores across Australia. 670 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 4: You could have at least taken out my brand name right. 671 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 4: Your brand is Valley Girl, not Venom. 672 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: So Em has confirmed that there is nothing that she 673 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: can do legally because the design was not trademarked, and 674 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: she also said there is no way that the manufacturers 675 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: have reproduced the fabric because it is slightly different. She said, 676 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: they've bought her dress and then just ripped it off. 677 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't something new that we've seen, but 678 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: I think on this scale of replicating the material so 679 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: closely that has her brand name on it is pretty shocking. 680 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: And you know, while Valley Girl hasn't done anything legally wrong, morally, 681 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: it does seem very wrong to do this. How do 682 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: you guys feel though, that this is a fast fashioned 683 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: brand that is ripping off really a small business, like 684 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: she is an influencer, However, this is business. 685 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: That she run. 686 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's pretty disgusting. As Kate said, even 687 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: though it's not illegal, I think morally it's very wrong. 688 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: And I just think, how do they expect to get 689 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: away with it? 690 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: Well, they can get away with it because it's not illegal. 691 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: It's a sense of that. 692 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: She wouldn't call them out. It'd be bad publicity. It 693 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: kind of played into Valley Girl's hands because the people are. 694 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: Going to go, oh, I actually get that for cheaper. 695 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think EM's version of it was one hundred 696 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: and twenty five dollars. I went to look at Valley 697 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: Girl's website, which is a. 698 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: Piece of shit. I couldn't even find the dress. Probably 699 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: back in two thousand and eight when that was I 700 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: forgot it even existed. Value Girl. Well, do you know 701 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 2: what was super awkward? 702 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: So Em initially got her wires crossed, and she originally 703 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: did a TikTok video slamming Ali Fashion because multiple followers 704 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: sent in DM saying they've Ali Fashion has copied your design. 705 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: So she did use this video to apologize to Ali Fashion, 706 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: and she said it was her fault and she should 707 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: have done her research, but she was so upset and 708 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: frustrated in the moment and she said she is going. 709 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: To learn from it. 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