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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Satam Brendon, you had a tank full of fish. There

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Speaker 2: was a leak in the tank. The fish have been

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Speaker 2: there for many years before you even bought the house.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So you moved those fish into.

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Speaker 3: A whole new work.

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Speaker 2: Hold, a temporary tank. Then they didn't look so great,

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Speaker 2: so you've moved some of them into another tank. Well,

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Speaker 2: long story short, burried by, I would say, there's now

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Speaker 2: one left.

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Speaker 3: You need help.

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Speaker 2: I've called Chris Brown to help you get through this crisis. Chris,

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Speaker 2: good morning, Oh, good morning there.

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Speaker 3: How are you hey, Brownie? You know what, maybe I.

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Speaker 1: Need condolences Jones. I'm sorry we get lost.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm mourning the fish and perhaps I

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Speaker 4: should have rang you earlier about this. But they they

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Speaker 4: suddenly started passing away really quickly. So what happened was,

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Speaker 4: as Amanda said, I moved them from the pond to

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Speaker 4: another tank that I had. That was back in October,

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Speaker 4: so we've had a bit of delays with the pond

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Speaker 4: being fixed up. So the fish were thriving up until

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Speaker 4: a week ago, and then all of a sudden, I

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Speaker 4: noticed they started moving really slowly.

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Speaker 3: But I noticed last year.

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Speaker 4: When they were in the pond at winter time, with

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Speaker 4: the change of the season, they started to move a

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Speaker 4: thing that happened.

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Speaker 2: Didn't you say, also they had some black spots or something.

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Speaker 4: Right then I noticed in various ones I had a

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Speaker 4: black spot on them.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, look, Josie. They fish can certainly experience it

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Speaker 1: in called water shop where when you change them over

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Speaker 1: from their normal home into a new tank, that the

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Speaker 1: whole pH the whole chemistry of that water changes. We

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Speaker 1: often introduced new water that surprises them, that shocks them,

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Speaker 1: because they're actually surprisingly sensitive. I'm always amazed at goldfish,

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Speaker 1: and in the case of you as well, they're often

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Speaker 1: like the pets are beginners. They're the pets for people

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Speaker 1: who don't really know better. And so I'm having a

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Speaker 1: dig at you goes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm writing notes down.

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Speaker 4: I'm rinning down Pet four beginner.

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Speaker 1: And so they're actually they're surprisingly sensitive and you can't

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Speaker 1: make big changes in their water. You can't maybe changes

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Speaker 1: will affect them. So you have to do things gently.

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Speaker 1: But what we've experienced in the last week or two

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Speaker 1: is it's cooled down a little bit, so you may

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Speaker 1: be getting an issue with the temperature, which affects their happiness,

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Speaker 1: their metabolism, and can make them more successible to little

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Speaker 1: infections and little irritations like you may be seeing with

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Speaker 1: those black spots.

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Speaker 4: What can I ask you this question, Chris, So I

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Speaker 4: moved so that the tank that I got was a

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Speaker 4: really big tank. Someone was chucking it out, this giant

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Speaker 4: fish tank, and so I put that round on the

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Speaker 4: side of the house. So it was getting the afternoon sun.

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Speaker 4: But now that the sun has changed a little bit down,

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Speaker 4: it's not getting as much sun.

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Speaker 3: I thought, maybe that's a thing.

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Speaker 1: It most certainly can be. And as the temperature drops down,

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Speaker 1: their immune system could be compromised because everything isn't flowing

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Speaker 1: as well, they're having to put more of their own

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Speaker 1: energy into keeping themselves warm as well. And the thing

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Speaker 1: so much instead of feeding the goldfish once a day

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Speaker 1: that that the goldfish and fisher are suffering because you

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Speaker 1: can actually feed a goldfish to death as well. So

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Speaker 1: you've got to watch your water, your food intake, and

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Speaker 1: make sure that you've got to keep the water temperature

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Speaker 3: But that's the other thing.

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Speaker 4: So that when I come up to the tank, they'd

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Speaker 4: all be happy to see me, and they'd all swim

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Speaker 3: They see it as have you ever fed them? You think?

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Speaker 2: Well, also one of them, and these are fishing about

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Speaker 2: the size of a pen. They're not tiny little goldfish.

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Speaker 2: One flung itself out of the tank. Would it do

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Speaker 1: Probably got spoot. They they can be quite active and

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Speaker 1: that they'll respond to certain stimulus. And if you know,

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Speaker 1: anything new for any animal is a surprise. And goldfishing

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Speaker 1: really give them credits for. As well. They don't have

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Speaker 1: the three second memory we think they do. Their memories

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Speaker 1: are you know, arguably better than yours and minor mander

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Speaker 1: don't underestimate them. We've got to we've got to keep

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Speaker 1: They if they're used to being out in the cold,

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Speaker 1: do get some health issues. And overfeeding is probably the

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Speaker 1: that'll in turn cause for them in health issues.

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Speaker 3: After all of this, me overfeeding them.

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Speaker 4: This is like the time remember years ago when I

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Speaker 4: had the budgies and I fed them rocket and you

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Speaker 4: told me what did you feed them? And I said, well,

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Speaker 4: I fed them let us leaves and you said was

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Speaker 4: it rocket? I went yeah, and they died.

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Speaker 1: Put a rocket up to This is this is why,

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Speaker 1: this is why you're not qualified to have anything more

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Speaker 2: Can asu one thing. Jonesy was speculating as to whether

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Speaker 2: when they when it died, would they have felt anything.

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Speaker 1: They would have Yeah, yeah, they certainly have a They

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Speaker 1: have a nervous system, and they have have a sensation

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Speaker 1: of pain and discomfort. So yeah, absolutely, I think you

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Speaker 1: and and sensory perception and all those those you know,

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Speaker 1: intense qualities we associate with like mammals and and humans.

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Speaker 1: But if they certainly, they certainly know a bad day

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Speaker 3: Out of all the days, this one was turned out

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Speaker 3: to be a terrible day.

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Speaker 1: Well that'll be in the memoir.

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit late that I've got you on

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Speaker 4: the phone. But maybe my last surviving fish can make

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Speaker 1: Just if you do that, just when you transfer Eric over.

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Speaker 1: And I wish him all the best, I really do.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to be more optimistic about our exciture than

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Speaker 1: I can't really am. But just ease him into it,

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Speaker 1: don't don't just dump him into it, into an highly

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Speaker 3: There it is, there, It is he's got to be

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Speaker 3: growth on the side of his head too. Do I

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Speaker 1: If it's not getting any bigger. Little growths on goldfish

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Speaker 1: aren't actually that abnormal. It's sometimes part of an ornamental

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Speaker 1: goldfish is to have growth. You shouldn't discount that.

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 1: I have done surgery on goldfish to remove growth. So

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Speaker 1: if you do need that, look at Jones your mum.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to assist. Really, yeah, I have.

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Speaker 4: You could come into surgery on my goldfish on eric On.

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Speaker 2: When do you decide to remove.

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Speaker 3: It or not?

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Speaker 1: If it starts to affect his quality of life? If

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Speaker 1: it starts to you know, look like he's causing pain,

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Speaker 1: or he's losing weight, or you know, he can't move

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Speaker 1: a lot of different reasons. Why why you'd why you

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Speaker 4: Well, he's not getting mocked by the other fish anymore

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Speaker 4: because they're all gone.

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Speaker 2: And let's say christ needs to play off a holiday

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Speaker 2: house at some point, I'm sure, so get it into surgery.

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Speaker 3: How much is the cost of remove for growth?

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Speaker 1: This is this is a long story, but I actually

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Speaker 1: had to have a fish meal. The night before, just

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Speaker 3: One was more delicious than the other.

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Speaker 1: It was, but but actually it did help, and it

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Speaker 1: made me establish the important anatomical landmarks. And then we

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Speaker 1: And and you actually do the fish surgery on a

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Speaker 1: the fish nice and wet at different times. But but

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Speaker 1: the surgery, you know, it's not really that different to

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Speaker 3: What are you doing this weekend?

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Speaker 1: Sounds like some surrender your house with my nursing assistant,

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Speaker 1: Amanda Calla.

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Speaker 3: This is great, Im well, good on your brandy.

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Speaker 4: Thank you you've helped me out and we'll see you

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Speaker 4: this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Man will fix up the tab for today as well.

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Speaker 1: Just keep Eric, keep Eric going to Landplea Jones.

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Speaker 3: Hashtag longlivery longlivery than doctor Chris Brown, thank you

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Speaker 1: Joinsy and Amanda in the morning at one point seven

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