1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: That is why this concept of a scoreboard is so 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: important in your life, because if you have the right scoreboard, 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: then your actions will align around the right things. But 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: if you have a broken scoreboard, you will take the 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: wrong actions. 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 2: If you find yourself feeling like you never have the 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: time and energy for the things that are really important, 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: then this episode is for you. My guest today is 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: sakhiel Bloom, the New York Times best selling author of 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: The Five Types of Wealth and managing partner of SRB Ventures. 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: There's no such thing as holding something in life. You 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: are either a buyer or you are a seller of 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: that thing. 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: And it is really easy for relationships to be the 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: first thing that goes like. What are some practices that 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: you have found have served you, particularly in those really 17 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: busy and hectic times. 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: The number one practice I have is a rule, which is. 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: I want to know Sakhel's number one rule for strengthening 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: social connections. Find out in this episode. Welcome to How 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: I Work, a show about habits, rituals, and strategies for 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: optimizing your day. I'm your host, doctor Amantha Impa. I 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: want to start by talking about the concept of a 24 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: broken scoreboard. Can you tell me what does this mean? 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: This is the idea that what you measure in life 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: really matters. We don't often think about how much impact 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: the things that we are measuring have on our actions 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: on a day to day basis. But you don't have 29 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: to look very far to realize that impact. You know, 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: think about the person that puts on like a sleep 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: tracker ring or one of those wristbands, and then all 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden, they're like the most annoying sleep person 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: in the world. They're like, Oh, I can't go out 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: because I need to optimize this. My sleep score will 35 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: be screwed up. All of these things Suddenly your actions 36 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: start falling in line with the thing that you were measuring. 37 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: Peter Drucker, this famous management theorist, said, what gets measured 38 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: gets managed. That's the idea that the thing that you 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: can measure becomes the thing that you optimize around. It's 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: the thing that you sort of myopically hone in on. 41 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: That is why this concept of a scoreboard is so 42 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: important in your life, because if you have the right scoreboard, 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: then your actions will align around the right things. But 44 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: if you have a broken scoreboard, which I'll argue we do, 45 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: you will take the wrong actions. And that was really 46 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: the realization that sparked this entire journey for me was 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: the idea that we were only measuring one thing to 48 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: sort of sum up our life in our worth, and 49 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: that was money. 50 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: It reminds me of a time this is a few 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: years back, where I was at a conference in Vancouver 52 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: and I met a really senior executive from Google and 53 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: he was telling me about hum and his family. Obviously, 54 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: they have a chaos work at Google and they're famous 55 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: for it, but he said he took it into his 56 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: personal life and every quarter him and his wife sat 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: down and they set personal okayrs, what is your process 58 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: for setting the right metrics in your life and with 59 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: your family? 60 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: I think it all starts with figuring out what your 61 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 1: priorities actually are. I would say that that is the 62 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: first biggest picture exercise that people need to think about. 63 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: Very few people really take the time to think about 64 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: what is the life you actually want to build. So 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: the question that I like to ask myself, which I 66 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: think everyone should ask, is to sit down and say, 67 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: if a third party were to come in and observe 68 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: my actions for a week, they were to come in 69 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 1: and just watch me for a week, what would they 70 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: say my priorities are? And the recognition there is that 71 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: there is a big gap between what you would say 72 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: your priorities are and what your actions show your priorities are. 73 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: How often do you personally reflect on that, like in 74 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: the last year, because it's always interesting, Like I don't know, 75 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: when you write about concepts and some of them just 76 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: kind of seep in and they become you, but some 77 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: of them you still have to deliberately realign. So I'm curious, 78 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: how does it work for you right now? 79 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: I do something I call a think day about once 80 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: a month. But think day is the idea of carving 81 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: out one to two hours once a month to go 82 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: to a new, new open space, a coffee shop outside, 83 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: et cetera. Bring a journal, bring a pen, and just 84 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: think on some of these bigger picture questions of your life. 85 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: Reflect on them, allow yourself the space to see the 86 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: bigger picture, and then to make course corrections along the way. 87 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: I find that every single time I do it, there's 88 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: somewhere that I've gotten a little bit off kilter, fallen 89 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: a little off course. And the truth is that those 90 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: tiny course corrections are very impactful in the long run. 91 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: There's this concept in aviation, the one in sixty rule 92 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: that for every one degree error in heading, a plane 93 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: will miss its eventual target by a mile for every 94 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: sixty miles flown. So the idea is that small deviations 95 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: and course are amplified by distance and time. Your life 96 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: is no different when when you are slightly off course, 97 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: it is going to have a big impact over five, ten, 98 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: fifteen years. So making yourself have a ritual or a 99 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: habit to create the space and to identify these course 100 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: corrections that need to happen so that you can execute 101 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: on them, that's been really impactful in my life. 102 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: I was reading on your LinkedIn Fate that you actually 103 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: went on a think week, if I'm correct, and came 104 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: back from that like quite recently. How do you stretch 105 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: a think week as distinct from a think day. 106 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: Technically was three days, but I'm calling it a think 107 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: week because it was most of a working week. The 108 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: idea was for it to be as unstructured as possible. 109 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: I personally think the whole point is to create enough 110 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: space that you are sort of able to think differently 111 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: and more broadly. The way that we did it, I 112 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: did it with my business partner was that we each 113 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: proposed sort of a set of reflection questions, big picture 114 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: questions that we wanted to think on. And the idea 115 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: is that we would pose a question. We'd kind of 116 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,559 Speaker 1: have a session set up, say like a couple hour block, 117 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: and we would just go out into some open space, 118 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: bring a notebook, and we would pose the question, and 119 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: then we would each spend however long hour two hours 120 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: thinking and journaling on it. Then we would come together 121 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: for some sort of meal and sort of talk through 122 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: reflect on pressure test what those insights were that we 123 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: had as we were writing. 124 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: Could you share examples of some of the questions that 125 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: you pised. 126 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the biggest ones for me is what 127 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: did I know for sure that just wasn't so. There 128 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: are these things that we automatically assume are correct that 129 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: we've been told our entire life, like we know for 130 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: sure that those things are so, and in reality they 131 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: are not. And making sure that you recognize those in 132 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: real time and that you're able to change your mind 133 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: on those things is really important. It's also very uncomfortable, 134 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: so most people don't do it because it requires you 135 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: sort of breaking down your own ego and your own 136 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: correctness in favor of finding the truth. All of this 137 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: is sort of about a long term truth seeking operation 138 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: that you are trying to get closer and closer to 139 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: the truth and your relationships and your work and your 140 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: personal life in all of these areas. So that one 141 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: I found to be really impactful because for me, it's 142 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: sort of identified. I mean, one really major insight about 143 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: how I've been operating and working that I think if 144 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: I had continued to perpetuate and repeat, would have really 145 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: held me back and would have harmed my life in 146 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: a number of different ways. 147 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm curious, So you were able to share what 148 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: that was. If it's not too personal, No, it's. 149 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: Not too personal. I had, for the longest time had 150 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: the belief that my path to building something really interesting, 151 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: engaging and big from a business standpoint around this platform 152 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: that I've created in these ideas was to take a 153 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: lot lot of different sort of swings and a lot 154 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: of different bets that around the world and have sort 155 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: of like a small amount of energy deployed across a 156 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: bunch of different things. That sort of a venture capital portfolio, 157 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: if you will, for those in the investing world, and 158 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: that a couple of those would work out to an 159 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: enormous extent. Most of them might not, or they would 160 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: be small, and that would lead to a good overall 161 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: outcome across the portfolio. What I found and what I 162 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: confronted was just this idea that actually, when it comes 163 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: to my energy and my attention, that was harming more 164 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: than it helped, because being scattered across one hundred things 165 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: just meant that I was going to do none of 166 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: them well and make myself miserable in the process, And 167 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: so it precipitated a pretty radical simplification of my entire 168 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: business and life ecosystem. I will be going into much 169 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: more of a season of no, if you will, when 170 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: it comes to taking things on and really trimming the 171 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: things that I am sort of actively engaged in and 172 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: involved in. 173 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: Accordingly, how do you make decisions then, with this new 174 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: perspective around firstly, what to drop that you're currently committed to, 175 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: and then what will you say no to that you'd 176 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: previously said yes to. 177 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: I have a couple of different ways I think about this. 178 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: So the first one is, if you are currently doing something, 179 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: you have to look at it as either I am 180 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: a buyer of this thing, I e. I'm going to 181 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: continue doing it. I think it makes sense to continue 182 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: doing and investing my time, energy, and attention in which 183 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: are your most precious assets. Or I'm a seller of it, 184 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: meaning I would not buy this right now based on 185 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: what my current ecosystem is, so I don't think it 186 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: should continue to exist. I'm a seller of it. That 187 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you can immediately exit it, but it 188 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: means that you should start thinking about are there ways 189 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: to exit whatever this situation is. The second thing I 190 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: would say is I have a test. I talk about 191 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: this in the book. I call it my new Opportunity test, 192 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: and it is a really useful heuristic or if you will, 193 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: for looking at new opportunities and very quickly deciding whether 194 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: it's one that makes sense. And it is basically to say, 195 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: if I assume that this thing, whatever it is, is 196 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: going to take twice as long and be half as 197 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: rewarding or profitable as I currently think, would I still 198 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: want to go do it. The reason that's such a 199 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: useful heuristic is because we tend to be overly optimistic 200 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: at the outset of something new. We get the shiny 201 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: object syndrome. There's a new opportunity. It's sitting off here. 202 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: You're like, Wow, it's going to be so great. I'm 203 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: gonna make all this money, or it's gonna be so enriching, 204 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: so rewarding in all these ways, and we get into 205 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 1: too many things because of that optimism. Podcasting is a 206 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: great example. There are a lot of people who love 207 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: the idea of having the winning version of a podcast. 208 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: They're like, Oh, I love the idea of having a 209 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: big podcast. Everyone listens to me, I get great guests, 210 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: I have all these cool conversations, I get to travel. 211 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: It's such a great thing, the winning version. And they 212 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: asked that question themselves and they say, yeah, hell, yes, 213 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: I want the winning version of this thing. But very 214 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: few people are willing to do the losing version for 215 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: as long as is necessary to get to the winning version. 216 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: It's years for most people, grinding through the mud, crawling 217 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: like hard conversations, you know, navigating, booking, all of the research, 218 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: all of the challenging aspects. So if you are willing 219 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: to do the losing version long enough to earn the 220 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: winning version, it tends to be a great thing to 221 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: then go take on. 222 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: I love that as a perspective, something that you recently posted, 223 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: and I was reading it on LinkedIn. I think this 224 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: is from a couple of days ago. You said that 225 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: you're optimistically pessimistic about AI, and I found that curious, Like, 226 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: as someone that invests in AI companies and I imagine 227 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: is using it a lot in your work life, tell 228 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: me what you mean by that. 229 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: I actually, you know this is funny. I think optimistically 230 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: pessimistic was the nicest way that I could possibly have 231 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: said that. If I'm being completely honest with you, I 232 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: am mildly terrified of what the future looks like. Yeah, 233 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: I have a young son. I have a three year old, 234 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: so a lot of things that I think about the 235 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: future are viewed through the lens of what his future 236 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: is going to look like. And I have some pretty 237 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: serious concerns about what that future looks like. Given what 238 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm starting to see, I do not believe that anyone 239 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: has the incentive to think humanity wide about the implications 240 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: of the technology that we are building. I see companies 241 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: that have the incentive to go as fast as possible 242 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: to generate the most profit, to get the biggest releases 243 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: so that they can maximize profits. I see countries that 244 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: have the incentive to go as fast as possible so 245 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: that their geopolitical foe does not get the thing before them. 246 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: Everyone is going to rush, rush, rushrush, rush, without ever 247 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: thinking about what happens if the genie gets out of 248 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: the bottle, and humans are notoriously bad at acting early 249 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: enough to get out in front of exponential growth, whether 250 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: it's with a pandemic or whether it's with technological expansion 251 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: and growth. The other piece that's concerning to me is 252 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: the idea of enormous job displacement that is simultaneously paired 253 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: with a booming stock market. I can see a world 254 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: where you have twenty to thirty percent unemployment of knowledge 255 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: workers and a stock market that has never been higher 256 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: because that unemployment has come in line with enormous efficiencies 257 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: that have bolstered profits to an extraordinary extent. And I 258 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: think that the unrest and upheaval that comes from a 259 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: world where they're rich are so massively richer because they're 260 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: invested in equities and sort of the middle class and 261 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: lower income folks are all unemployed is a really scary prospect. 262 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: I would love to also understand, like how you think 263 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 2: about it on more of a micro day to day level, 264 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: and where are the ways that you're currently using and 265 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: experimenting with it in your own workflows to augment your 266 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: own work and thinking. 267 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: I do my own writing mainly because I love writing, 268 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: and writing is how I think. Clearly, If I did 269 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: not write these things myself, I would never be able 270 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: to articulate them or have conversations about them, which is 271 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: why I value writing so much. I will use AI 272 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: as a brainstorming partner, as like a thought collector, as 273 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: like a research assistant in a variety of cases. You know, 274 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm currently working on seeing if I can build like 275 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: a sort of like a proper like book research assistant 276 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: that effectively works twenty four to seven to kind of 277 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: source and find me interesting things that I can incorporate 278 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: into my next book. And the technology sort of exists 279 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: that you're starting to get close to that world. My 280 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: dad jokes about this. He spent his whole career as 281 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: a researcher. He's an academic professor. How much time he 282 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: spent like in libraries looking at old texts and research 283 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: and then you know how much time he's spent paying 284 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: research associates in people insistence to dig up all of 285 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: these studies and all the sources and now it can 286 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: all be done, you know, like effectively instantaneously, and so again, 287 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: thinking through implications of all that is interesting. I think 288 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: in the short term it allows for, you know, kind 289 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: of a lowering of you know, the prerequisites necessary to 290 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: create and share ideas that are a world positive. 291 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny what you say about writing. I can 292 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: definitely relate to that as a writer that needs to 293 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: use their writing to work out their thinking. And I 294 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: was having a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday 295 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: who's his a writer as well, has written many books, 296 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: mostly through Harvard, and he was saying, for the first 297 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: time in his book contract there was a clause that 298 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: said you can't use AI to create any content in 299 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: this book. More from a copyright point of view, is 300 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: a writing quality point of view, But I find that 301 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: quite intriguing. I would love to know when you're writing, 302 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: because you're so prolific online with your newsletter and social media, Like, 303 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: what's your process or what rituals do you have in 304 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: place around how you do that, because it doesn't seem 305 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: like it's scatter gun and just waiting for that spock 306 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: to heit you. 307 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: I don't have a schedule of stuff that's scheduled to 308 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: go out for the next week. When you see me 309 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: post on LinkedIn, ninety nine percent of the time, I 310 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: wrote it right then and then posted it. And that's 311 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: just part of how I work. I have a really 312 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: tough time thinking far in advance on anything creative. I 313 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: like to write about things that kind of sparked my interest, 314 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: like the Think Week. I wrote a newsletter on that 315 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: because I was flying home from the Think Week and 316 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I need to write down all 317 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: these insights and reflections that I had. So what I 318 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: think about from a structure standpoint is a little bit 319 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: different than how most people think about creating content or 320 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: creating sharing ideas. Most people think that that is about creation. 321 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: I view creation as one of say four steps that 322 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: are really in this process. The first step is consumption. 323 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: It is to say that you actually need to consume 324 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: at the top of funnel interesting ideas and sort of 325 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: immerse your brain and interesting ideas through things you read, 326 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: listen to conversations you have, et cetera. I am structured 327 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: about that. I make sure that every single day I'm 328 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: reading for at least an hour. I read thirty minutes 329 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: first thing in the morning when I wake up, and 330 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: then I read thirty minutes in the evening, later in 331 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: the day in the sauna or just sort of quiet 332 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: reading time. Read anything. I mean, I read everything from 333 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,239 Speaker 1: like physics books to books about history and geography, to 334 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: just anything that's kind of sparking my interest. So that's 335 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: sort of the consumption piece. The second piece is about ideation. 336 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: This is really about the idea of like, I need 337 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: to make sure that I have time to think, because 338 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: that is when the ideas are kind of intermingling, connecting, 339 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: sparking these new ways of thinking about them. Sometimes the 340 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: ideation is individual on a walk. Sometimes it's a conversation 341 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: trying to bat things around with someone. But again, I 342 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: am structured about that I have time during my day 343 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: when I am just thinking, you know, when I'm like 344 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: going out on a walk just stewing on these ideas. 345 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: Then comes the creation process of being able to sit 346 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: down and really think about turning those ideas into something 347 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: that I can put out into the world. And then 348 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: the final piece is sort of thinking about amplification. It's 349 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: like where all does this go out? Generally speaking, I 350 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: think about writing a newsletter, and then we think about 351 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: taking it from the newsletter and how it goes out 352 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: across different mediums in video or written format. But it 353 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: sort of depends on the given situation. 354 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 2: Something I heard you did and I think I heard 355 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: it in a YouTube video and I'm not sure if 356 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 2: it's in the five Types of wealth. But you talked 357 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: about when you were growing on Twitter or x several 358 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 2: years ago that you formed the I think it was 359 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 2: called the one hundred K Club. Can you tell me 360 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: about that? 361 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So when I was just starting to write 362 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: on Twitter. This is men of twenty twenty. I first 363 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: started writing there, I was starting to have some traction. 364 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: I was writing about business and markets and finance. I 365 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: was still working in my full time day job as 366 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: an investor, and maybe late twenty twenty, there was like 367 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: a small group of people across sort of like technology investing, 368 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: entrepreneurship that we'd kind of become friendly with from just 369 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: you know, interacting on Twitter. And I got a message 370 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: from one of them saying, Hey, like going to make 371 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: a group chat where we can kind of like share 372 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: what's working, what's not, support each other, you know, just 373 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: like generally people that are trying to grow their platform 374 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: on Twitter, and we can share ideas, so I said cool. 375 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: We ended up forming it. That was late twenty twenty, 376 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: and it ended up becoming an enormous, you know, sort 377 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: of like force multiplier on all of our efforts and 378 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: our ability to grow and reach more people. And all 379 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: of those people have now grown their platforms but also 380 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: just like their businesses in a variety of different ways. 381 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: And we all still have the group chat. It is 382 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: still active, it's still there. We still interact in there, 383 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: not about the same stuff that we did in the 384 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: early on days, but it has been a really cool 385 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: thing and a great lesson that having a community of 386 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: people who are sort of in the trenches with you 387 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: on these journeys can be really impactful. 388 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: Well, some of the tactics that came out of that group, 389 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: I guess in its first year of existence that really 390 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: shifted the needle for you. 391 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: It was very focused on sort of the nitty gritty, 392 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: so you know, one of the big ones was like 393 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: how to craft a kind of hook to a tweet 394 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: that was most likely to grab people and drive the 395 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: highest number of like clickthroughs and impressions. There was a 396 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: lot of how to convert people to subscribe to your newsletter. 397 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: At the end of these kind of longer form Twitter posts, 398 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: you know, the types of content that were really getting shared, 399 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, whether like visuals versus no visuals, the sort 400 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: of like pillars and archetypes of the types of content. 401 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: It was pretty nitty gritty in terms of the things 402 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: that people were focused on, because these were like real 403 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: business operators or invest that liked to get in the weeds. 404 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't just like, oh, good job, you know, pat 405 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: each other on the back type thing. It was very 406 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: much like sharing best practices. Everyone was kind of in 407 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: their own domain, so no one was competitive with one another, 408 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: at least not beyond a friendly level. It was really 409 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: really useful. 410 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: We will be back with Sahil soon and when we 411 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: come back, we'll discuss how you can use social wealth 412 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: to vastly improve your life and his number one rule 413 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 2: for strengthening social connections. If you're looking for more tips 414 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: to improve the way you work can live. I write 415 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: a short weekly newsletter that contains tactics I've discovered that 416 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 2: have helped me personally. You can sign up for that 417 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 2: at Amantha dot com. That's Amantha dot com. I love 418 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 2: the sound of it. I would love to talk about 419 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: social wealth, which was one of the five types of 420 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: wealth that you talk about in your book, Like I 421 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: would love to know for what's the biggest mistake that 422 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: you see people making when it comes to social wealth, 423 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: And perhaps maybe we need to define it in case 424 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: that is not obvious, what it means to be socially wealthy. 425 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: Let's start there. 426 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, social wealth is just about your relationships. It's about 427 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: a recognition of relationships as an asset that compounds over 428 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: the long run if you invest in those things. And 429 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: that ties to the most common mistake that I see, 430 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: which is thinking that relationships are just a static entity 431 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: and not something that compounds, and not something that will 432 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: pay the greatest returns and dividends in life. The reality, 433 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: in the science and in our own anecdotal experience is 434 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: that relationships are the single greatest predictor of a happy, 435 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: healthy life. The strength of your relationships determines those outcomes. 436 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: And yet they tend to be the first thing that 437 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: fall by the wayside when we get busy. You know, 438 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: you get busy in life, and you stop texting the friends, 439 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: you stop calling your mom. You don't get that old 440 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: group of buddies together for the annual trip, all of 441 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: those things start to fall when in reality, those are 442 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: the things that are going to contribute to the great 443 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: life that you are trying to build. And so recognizing 444 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: that and realizing that really anything above zero compounds. A 445 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: tiny action done for a friend or a family member 446 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: is something that is going to compound and stack over 447 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 1: the long run. Showing up for these people during their 448 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: time of needs, showing up when it's not easy. These 449 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: people will be there for you when your life is 450 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: in a tough spot. 451 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 2: How do you I guess action the principles around social 452 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 2: wealth when I imagine and particularly like with the insight 453 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 2: that you shared around you had taken on a lot, 454 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 2: a lot of different things that perhaps you are now 455 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: going to draw and I just know you know what 456 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: it's like being incredibly busy, and it is really easy 457 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: for relationships to be the first thing that goes Like, 458 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: what are some practices that you have found have served you, 459 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: particularly in those really busy and hectic times. 460 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: The number one practice I have is a rule which 461 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: is when you think something nice about someone, let them 462 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: know right then I am very good about that. I'm 463 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: not great about replying to text messages or emails really promptly, 464 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: because I'm overloaded most of the time. But I'm very 465 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: good about sending someone a message when I think something 466 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: nice about them, and that has a powerful effect of 467 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: keeping you in touch with people, of creating this level 468 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: of connection with people over long, long periods of time. 469 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: I have friends and people that I don't see very 470 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: often at all anymore, but we still feel really connected. 471 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: Your one little hack is I have an iPhone. I 472 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: don't know if anyone else does, but on the iPhone 473 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: there's this like for you, sort of like photo memories feature, 474 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: and once a week or so I'll go to that 475 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: photo memories thing and I'll send the picture to people 476 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: that are in it, so it'll prompt you know, some 477 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: sort of memory from your life with friends, and if 478 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: you just send it to them and say, you know, hey, great, 479 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: like this was great times, fun time, whatever, it sparks 480 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: a tiny little interaction with the person. You don't need 481 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: to spend thirty minutes catching up with them, but it 482 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: sparks a little interaction that just lets them know that 483 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: you were thinking about them, and that goes a long 484 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: way over long periods of time. 485 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: When you like when you say, you know, when you 486 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: think something nice about someone, you will communicate that, Like 487 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: what's your go to? Like, you know, if we were friends, 488 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: would I just like get an email out of the 489 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 2: blue from you? Would I get a voice memory? 490 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: Like? 491 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: What does that look like? 492 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: In practice, generally a text out of a blue yeah 493 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,719 Speaker 1: I'm not a great email or sometimes voice note if 494 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: I'm driving or something like that, but generally speaking, a 495 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: text just saying like, hey was thinking about you. I 496 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: hope you're doing great, or you know, saw this thought 497 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: of you, hope you're thriving. Something tiny like that. Not 498 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: trying to force a catch up or a conversation, because 499 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: oftentimes too then you like put a burden on the 500 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: other person if there be they feel bad. It can 501 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: just be super simple. I think it goes a long way. 502 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: Tell me about the life dinner concept and how that works. 503 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: Life dinner is an idea that I first came across 504 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: from an entrepreneur named Brad Feld, who sort of recognized 505 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: that when life starts to get chaotic and busy, there 506 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: are a lot of things that start to naturally slip 507 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: in a romantic partnership. Importantly, things like bigger picture catch 508 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: ups about your vision for your relationship, for what your 509 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: goals are, for the things that you're striving towards. And 510 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: this life Dinner is an idea of creating a monthly 511 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: date that is dedicated to those things. Its entire purpose 512 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: is to catch up and talk about those bigger picture opportunities, goals, stresses, visions, etc. 513 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: That the two of you have, both individually and for 514 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: your command for your relationship. My wife and I have 515 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: done this since our son was born, which is now 516 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: three years in May twenty twenty two. Been an incredible 517 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: ritual for keeping us connected when life got more chaotic 518 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: than ever. There's the pushback that people like to have 519 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: with this, which is like, you shouldn't have to do that, 520 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: You should be talking every day. But once you have 521 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: a kid and life starts to get a little chaotic, 522 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: they're not sleeping a lot. You both have so many 523 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: things going on that it can be hard to find 524 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: the time to talk about what are our finances, what 525 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: are the business things I'm excited about, what are the 526 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: things you're excited about, what are the big picture goals 527 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: we have for the next three years, And creating a 528 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: monthly date dedicated to that makes sure that there is 529 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: that touch point and does it in a fun way 530 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: that doesn't make it feel like a chore. It's funny. 531 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: I could really relate to that when I read that 532 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: in your book. Something that my husband and I do. 533 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 2: We call it a relationship check in. I think that's 534 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 2: our latest language around it. And we've got like we've 535 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: got to set agenda of questions that we go through. 536 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 2: And I think it's so important to have out time 537 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: to actually reflect on what has the last month actually 538 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: been like when we sit and you know, be present 539 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: about it, and then you know again looking to the 540 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 2: future and going well, what are we trying to create 541 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: here and are we on track? So I got to 542 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: say it's been very powerful for us as well. 543 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. I love that you do that too. 544 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: That's great. 545 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: I would love to know, Like I mean, there are 546 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 2: so many different tactics that you talk about in the 547 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 2: Five Types of Wealth, And something I'm always curious about 548 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: with authors that do write books that are you know, 549 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: full of different strategies is for you personally now And 550 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: I imagine it's probably been like a good twelve month 551 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: since you've submitted the manuscript, you know, before it was 552 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: released into the world, Like, what are maybe the sort 553 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: of the two or three rituals or habits or strategies 554 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: that right now like are just a serving you best, 555 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: and they're things that maybe have an inordinate amount of 556 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: impact considering the time investment. 557 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: The one one one method that I write about in 558 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: the mental wealth section is probably the one thing that 559 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: kept me seeing during this entire easy period of my 560 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: life and book launch. I had always wanted to be 561 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: a journaler in my whole life. I always had these 562 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: grand aspirations of what journaling looked like, that I'd sit 563 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 1: down for thirty minutes in like a candlelit room and 564 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: write beautiful prose for thirty minutes. And life always has 565 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: different plans, And so what would happen was January first, 566 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: I would try to make a journaling habit. By like 567 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: January fifth, I would have broken it and it wouldn't happen. 568 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: So I created this idea of a one one one 569 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 1: method as my solution to try to build a journaling muscle. 570 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: An idea was in the evening before going to bed, 571 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: I would take a blank sheet of paper like this, 572 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: and I would just write down one win from the day, 573 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: something that I felt good about one point of stress, 574 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: tension or anxiety, something that I want to get off 575 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: my brain and onto the paper, and then one point 576 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: of gratitude. Takes two to three minutes, maybe five minutes 577 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 1: max if you're being really reflective, and it creates an 578 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: immediate feeling of calm at the end of the day. 579 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: And as someone who often struggled to go to sleep 580 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: when I feel that kind of anxiety build and tension, 581 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: it has been an enormous life improvement, and so in 582 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: particular during these times of life that feel somewhat unbalanced 583 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: when you're really sprinting on something. It was one simple 584 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: two to three minute ritual that didn't add you know, 585 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: time or craziness to my life, that just allowed me 586 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: to reset at the end of every day, you know, 587 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: really operate from a place of strength. 588 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 2: I'd love to know anything else that comes to mind, 589 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 2: like in terms of those daily or weekly things that 590 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: have just had an enormous impact and continue to. 591 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: I ground myself a lot in the physical I write 592 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: about physical wealth in the book obviously, but physical rituals 593 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: for me have a big impact because they dictate how 594 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: I feel I show up in the world. I think 595 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: that physical wealth has ripple effects into every other area 596 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 1: of life. It is a catalyst in terms of how 597 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: you look at yourself in the mirror, how you feel 598 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: about yourself. You feel like a winner. You start operating 599 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: like a winner in your relationships and your work in 600 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: your life. So I have always that during stressful periods 601 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: of time like the one I've been going through, making 602 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: sure that I can handle these kind of like daily 603 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: non negotiables when it comes to my physical health have 604 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: been really impactful. And so for me, you know, that's 605 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: trying to make sure that I sleep, you know, seven 606 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: hours a night, sometimes at six, but try to get 607 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: seven hours of sleep a night. Making sure I'm moving 608 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: for thirty minutes a day, no matter what. That could 609 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: be a walk, but it has to be something I 610 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: have to move for thirty minutes a day. And then 611 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: from an eating standpoint, that I'm prioritizing protein and having 612 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: only really whole unprocessed foods, just like making sure that 613 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: I'm having kind of single ingredient whole unprocessed foods. If 614 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: I do those three things, I feel pretty good. I'm 615 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: keeping myself in check in line, and I feel like 616 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: that has ripple effects into how I show up all 617 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: across my life. 618 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: Something else I'm curious about is now that you know 619 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: the book has been out in the world for several 620 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 2: months and you've done many interviews, and I'm sure I've 621 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: spoken to many readers, what are the two or three 622 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: concepts that have resonated most with readers? And I'm like, 623 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: I'm wondering, you know, if there's been any surprises there. 624 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: You know, the dimmer switch mentality really resonated with people, 625 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: and that was a bit surprising to me. I wasn't 626 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: sure if that would really click. This is the idea that, 627 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: like your life, these different areas of life can exist 628 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: on dimmer switches. They don't need to be on off. 629 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: And so while you have one dimmer switch turned up, 630 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: you may be focusing on one area during this season 631 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: of your life. You can have the others turned down low. 632 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: They just can't be off, and low is better than nothing. 633 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: Low is actually infinitely better than nothing because anything above 634 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: zero compounds. That idea has really been sticky with people, 635 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: and I see people actioning on that in a major way, 636 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: which is fun for me to see. Anti goals, I 637 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: would say, is the other one that has really jumped out. 638 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: You know, this is the idea of like you know, 639 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: goals are the summit of the mountain, the thing that 640 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: we all know. We set goals at the beginning of 641 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: the year. Anti goals are the things that you don't 642 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: want to happen in your pursuit of those goals. So 643 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: my goal might be to become CEO of the company. 644 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: I want to go achieve that, but my anti goal 645 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: may be traveling three hundred nights out of the year, 646 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: or allowing my stress and health to deteriorate in pursuit 647 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: of the goal. I want to achieve the goal, but 648 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: not if it means having these anti goals become real. 649 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: They provide the really useful and helpful boundary and sort 650 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: of guardrails in your pursuit so that you can make 651 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: those course corrections on the journey to make sure that 652 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: you're not running a foul of these things that you 653 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: don't want to happen, so that you can ultimately win 654 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: the battle of achieving the goal, but also the much 655 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: bigger picture war of its impact on your whole life. 656 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 2: You seem like someone that is constantly experimenting with new 657 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: things and new ways of living and working. What is 658 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: something that you've recently been experimenting with in terms of 659 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 2: something that is helping you, like in work all life. 660 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: I recently started reading to start my mourning for thirty minutes, 661 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 1: and I've really enjoyed that. I would say for the 662 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: longest time, I had kind of always thought about like 663 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: reading for purpose. It's sort of this separation between tellic 664 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: and atellic activities. You know. Tellic activity is an activity 665 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: done for a purpose. An atellic activity is an activity 666 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: just done for the sake of it, no real clear purpose. 667 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: And I sort of decided that I wanted to have 668 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: like thirty minutes of kind of atellic reading time to 669 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: start the day, to just like open my brain up 670 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: a little bit wake up in the morning, if you will, 671 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: and replace the time that I previously would like scroll 672 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: on my phone when I got up in the morning 673 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: with just read. And I have absolutely loved that, you know, 674 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: I like, we'll go downstairs, get my coffee, go and 675 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: sit in my office or stand here in my nice 676 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: spot and turn on some bright lights to help me 677 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 1: kind of wake up since I wake up really early 678 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: and just have thirty minutes of quiet reading time. I 679 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: got this little time glass thing I don't know if 680 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,959 Speaker 1: you can see that. It's a fifteen minute time glass. 681 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: So I flip it over twice and I just kind 682 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: of like read whatever grabs me. And I have a 683 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: bookshelf behind me that's got a bunch of books on it. 684 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: I don't like finish the book necessarily. I sort of 685 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: just try to grab whatever is grabbing me that morning, 686 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: and I'll just sit and read, and when it's not 687 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: grabbing me, I'll switch books. And it's really nice. It 688 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: feels liberating to read that way too, in a kind 689 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: of unique way. 690 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 2: I love that as someone who kind of like my 691 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 2: first reaction is wow, that sounds like, oh, that sounds 692 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 2: so indulgent, But it's not, like, what a brilliant way 693 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 2: to experiment with starting your day. I am going to 694 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 2: give that a shot. 695 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say it was indulgent if it wasn't 696 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: at four fifteen in the morning, you know, so like 697 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: it's hard to say anything is that indulgent At four 698 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: fifteen in the morning. It feels luxurious, Like having my 699 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: cold brew coffee and sitting and reading. I'm like, oh, 700 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: this is really nice. Like sometimes I'm going to bed, 701 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: I feel more excited to wake up at four knowing 702 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: that I'm going to get to read something neat and 703 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: just kind of like start my day that way. 704 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: That's awesome. Oh, Sachel, I've so enjoyed this chat, and 705 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 2: I so love everything you put out into the world world. 706 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 2: So thank you for choosing to spend some of your 707 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 2: time wealth with me. 708 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much for having me. It was 709 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: a real thrill. I hope you have a great day. 710 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed my chat with Sacquel. I know 711 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 2: that I am definitely going to be trying out that 712 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 2: morning reading strategy to see what results it might give me. Now, 713 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 2: if you want to learn more about Saquil, there are 714 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 2: links to his socials and website in the show notes, 715 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: and I highly recommend grabbing a copy of The Five 716 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: Types of Wealth. If you like today's show, make sure 717 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 2: you get follow on your podcast app to be alerted 718 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 2: when new episodes drop. 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