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Speaker 1: Do you enjoy a biscuit with a cup of tea?

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Speaker 1: Or pack a couple of sweet biscuits in your kids lunchboxes?

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Speaker 1: Long gone are the days when a packet biscuit was

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Speaker 1: made with real butter and a soft, creamy filling. But

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Speaker 1: since they occupy about half an hour in the supermarkets,

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Speaker 1: it would appear there are still plenty of us who

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Speaker 1: enjoy a sweet biscuit regularly. So on today's episode of

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Speaker 1: the Nutrition Couch Product Review, we're taking a closer look

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Speaker 1: at two very popular cookis. I am Sissy Burrow and

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Speaker 1: I'm Leon Wood, and as two of us strays leading

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Speaker 1: dieticians who specialize in evidence based nutrition, we bring you

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Speaker 1: the Nutrition Couch Product Review, a weekly chat on new

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Speaker 1: products and old favorites you can find in the supermarkets.

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Speaker 1: So leanne, are you a cheeky biscuit eater when you

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Speaker 1: have a cup of tea?

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Speaker 2: I must say, biscuits aren't really my soul food? And I,

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Speaker 2: for mane of my clients know that my sort of

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Speaker 2: philosophy around food is, you know, like bulk of our

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Speaker 2: diet is healthy foods, a little sprinkle of soul foods.

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Speaker 2: So I must say my soul foods are more probably

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Speaker 2: chocolate or ice cream versus a biscuit. I can't go

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Speaker 2: past a good quality shortbread. But I'm not really girl

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Speaker 2: at heart. I had much rather a piece of cheesecake

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Speaker 2: or much rather as goop of ice cream.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I sort of torn on biscuits for a period

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Speaker 1: in my very early career when I was still studying.

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Speaker 1: I worked at Arnet's Biscuits, actually, when the factory had

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Speaker 1: just moved from the head office where it was in

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Speaker 1: Stratfield and Sydney for many years, and I remember walking

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Speaker 1: around there with those memories of the amazing ice vovos

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Speaker 1: with their fluffy marshmallow and the beautiful shortbread, you know,

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Speaker 1: Scotch fingers, when biscuits were made with butter, you know,

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Speaker 1: going back quite a long time now, and I don't

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Speaker 1: I didn't grow up with biscuits. We didn't have them

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Speaker 1: in the house. It was certainly novel when I worked

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Speaker 1: to work at a biscuit factory and there were you know,

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Speaker 1: tim Tams and tiny teddies just everywhere. But I think

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Speaker 1: from a nostalgia perspective, a lot of people who perhaps

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Speaker 1: are getting a little bit older now, I definitely grew

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Speaker 1: up with that cup of tea and a plain sort

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Speaker 1: of milk coffee biscuit. And hence we went through that

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Speaker 1: phase where family assautters were everywhere, and indeed you and

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Speaker 1: I both worked in hospitals where that was served routinely

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Speaker 1: in hospital.

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Speaker 2: Still is still is there?

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Speaker 1: You go? And I you know the is you I do.

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Speaker 1: When I'm looking at kids lunchboxes, they have a lot

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Speaker 1: of biscuits. You know, they have often tiny teddies or shape,

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Speaker 1: so I think, obviously they're still consumer demand. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the biggest category constituenties artists. You know, Arnets have been

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Speaker 1: the dominant sweet biscuit in as long as I can remember.

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Speaker 1: For a very brief period of time, there was a

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Speaker 1: company called Paradise Lights that came out that were made

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Speaker 1: with a better oil, much lower in fat, that were

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Speaker 1: quite palatable, but they just got eaten up by the

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Speaker 1: big groups in supermarket. So I have today chosen an

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Speaker 1: Arnot's range to compare to one of the newer groups

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Speaker 1: who are producing healthier biscuits as a position to try

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Speaker 1: and improve the nutritional profile of this category in the supermarket.

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Speaker 1: So I've chosen the Arnot's chocolate chip Cookies Minis because

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Speaker 1: I feel these are really marketed as school lunch box fillers.

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Speaker 1: They're four dollars for seven packs, so pretty inexpensive as

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Speaker 1: a snack food. First ingredient wheat flour, chocolate chips at

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Speaker 1: twenty four percent so, sugar, cocoa, mass, cocoa butter, natural flavor, mulsifier, sugar,

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Speaker 1: vegetable oil. Now, to the best of my knowledge, on

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Speaker 1: it's hat do and continue to use palm oil as

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Speaker 1: vegetable oil in their formulation. I'd love to be corrected

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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but I have a very strong feeling

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Speaker 1: that it is. When they say vegetable oil, it is palm,

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Speaker 1: which is a heavily saturated fat with very little positive

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Speaker 1: we can say about it. Dessicated coconuts next, skim milk, powder,

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Speaker 1: baking powder, salt and multifier, natural flavor, antioxidant. So if

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Speaker 1: I see a food product leand that is made with

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Speaker 1: wheat flour, sugar, and palm oil, generally my recommendation for

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Speaker 1: people would be to run a mile. So hence I'm

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Speaker 1: not overly a big biscuit fan as a day to

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Speaker 1: worst possible ingredients for our health. In a product that

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Speaker 1: this is really marketed not as an indulgence. This is

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Speaker 1: marketed as a daily addition to people's life. So per serve,

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Speaker 1: what does the numbers say? It's a twenty five gram

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Speaker 1: so just over one hundred calories per serve. One point

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Speaker 1: two grams of protein, which is as expected. We wouldn't

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Speaker 1: expect a sweet biscuit to contain much protein. It is

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Speaker 1: relatively high in fat, so it's six point three grams

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Yes, twenty five percent fat, so a high

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Speaker 1: fifteen percent, and that's coming from that palm oil base.

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Speaker 1: Seven point four grams of sugars perserve, but almost thirty

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Speaker 1: percent sugar in this product overall, no dietary fiber, less

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Speaker 1: than one gram sodium in significant given that it's a

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Speaker 1: sweet biscuit, so there is nothing in here really I

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Speaker 1: wheat flour, sugar and palm oil in they're better options.

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Speaker 1: I don't think in this category there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of better options. I think it's an indulgent food, a

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Speaker 1: sweat biscuit, whether it's a timtam, whether it's a mint slice,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a chop chip cookie. So I don't buy them.

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Speaker 1: I don't recommend my clients buy them. And if that's

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Speaker 1: your soul food, sure, but to me, the risk is

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Speaker 1: that they slip into everyday diets. There's a food that's

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Speaker 1: sort of not as bad as I see it as

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Speaker 2: No? And let's not sugarcredit guys their chocchip cookies despite

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Speaker 2: being in a mini packet, And then you know, marketed

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Speaker 2: at kids, you're still putting chop chip cookies into kids

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Speaker 2: lunchboxes every day. It is what it is. So it's

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Speaker 2: really something that has to be an occasional food, not

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Speaker 2: an everyday choice. And I feel like because it's in

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Speaker 2: a smaller packet, parents sort of think, oh, it's just

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Speaker 2: a little bit, it's not that bad. But there's nothing

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Speaker 2: nutritional in this. And if you want to put a

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Speaker 2: think it's probably the only positive thing we can say

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Speaker 2: still it's quite a lot of calories and quite a

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Speaker 2: quality fat. I'm actually quite high sugar, Like seven point

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Speaker 2: it's too high for our kids. So you know, if

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Speaker 2: an adult was eating this because they genuinely loved chop

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Speaker 2: adult because it is small and it is portion controlled.

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Speaker 2: I do like that, you know they're not buying entire

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Speaker 2: packet of biscuits and going to smash eight cookies at once.

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Speaker 2: You know, they got little portion controlled bags. But I

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Speaker 2: think it really is marketers as children sort of lunch

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Speaker 2: box snack options. So we can't really beat around the bushes.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not a healthy product. We definitely don't recommend it.

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Speaker 1: No, and I do when I'm at the park with

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Speaker 1: there's so many healthier options out there. I just recently

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Speaker 1: and there's a growing range of very palatable snacks which

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Speaker 1: constantly underwhelming in terms of the initiatives to improve the

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Speaker 1: So the only way we can talk is by not

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Speaker 1: So that leads me to a really interesting product that

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Speaker 1: chocolate nutspread and these cookies. Now there are some of

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Speaker 1: the cookies for kids. It's the No Nasties Project Better Cookies.

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Speaker 1: I've chosen the adult eighty percent less sugar, but there

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Speaker 1: I think they're also found in coals. Actually there's three varieties.

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Speaker 1: They're five dollars for seven, so only slightly more expensive.

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Speaker 1: The first ingredient is wheat flour and then they're using

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Speaker 1: erythrotol isomalt stevia, so all natural sweetness sunflower oil rather

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Speaker 1: than palm inulin, some sugar, regular sugar, whole powdered, golden syrup,

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Speaker 1: So again we're not saying it's good, but what we

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Speaker 1: this is a twenty gram serve. It's coming in three

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Speaker 1: this is not a low fat product, but the saturated

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Speaker 1: per serve, but the sugars are low, like one point

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Speaker 1: for me, again, I'm not saying this is a healthy

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Speaker 1: I would absolutely buy over the full strength version. And

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Speaker 1: I do buy these cookies, which is how I came

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Speaker 1: familiar with them, because I saw them in supermarket and

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Speaker 1: was like, wow, that's a lot less sugar eighty percent.

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Speaker 1: What do they taste like? Because ultimately we can make

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Speaker 1: foods healthier, but if they don't taste good, no one's

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Speaker 1: going to eat them. And the kids like them. But

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Speaker 1: I've said before on the Potti Land, i never put

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Speaker 1: Now they're six, I put half. So I'll open one

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Speaker 1: We like by the way they're good. Well, we have

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Speaker 2: And don't just support them, tell you know your friends,

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Speaker 1: And they do have also a cereal I haven't tried that.

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