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Speaker 1: Do you enjoy a biscuit with a cup of tea

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Speaker 1: or pack a couple of sweet biscuits in your kid's lunchboxes?

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Speaker 1: Long gone are the days when a packet biscuit was

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Speaker 1: made with real butter and a soft, creamy filling. But

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Speaker 1: since they occupy about half an hole in the supermarkets,

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Speaker 1: it would appear there are still plenty of us who

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Speaker 1: enjoy a sweet biscuit regularly. So on today's episode of

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Speaker 1: the Nutrition Couch Product Review, we're taking a closer look

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Speaker 1: at two very popular cookies. I am Susy Burrow and

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Speaker 1: I'm Lean Wood, and as two of austray Is leading

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Speaker 1: dieticians who specialize in evidence based nutrition, we bring you

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Speaker 1: the Nutrition Couch Product Review, a weekly chat on new

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Speaker 1: products and old favorites you can find in the supermarkets. So, Leahne,

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Speaker 1: are you a cheeky biscuit eater when you have a

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Speaker 1: cup of tea?

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Speaker 2: I must say, biscuits aren't really my sol food And

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Speaker 2: I for mane of my clients know that my sort

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Speaker 2: of philosophy around food is, you know, like bulk of

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Speaker 2: our diet is healthy foods, little sprinkle of solt foods.

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Speaker 2: So I must say my soul foods are more probably

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Speaker 2: chocolate or ice cream versus a biscuit. I can't go

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Speaker 2: past a good quality shortbread. But I'm not really biscuit

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Speaker 2: girl at heart. I had much rather a piece of

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Speaker 2: cheesecake or much rather as goop of ice cream.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I sort of torn on biscuits for a period

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Speaker 1: in my very early career when I was still studying.

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Speaker 1: I worked at Arnet's Biscuits, actually, when the factory had

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Speaker 1: just moved from the head office where it was in

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Speaker 1: Strautthfield and Sydney for many years. And I remember walking

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Speaker 1: around there with those memories of the amazing ice vovos

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Speaker 1: with their fluffy marshmallow and the beautiful shortbread, you know,

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Speaker 1: Scotch fingers, when biscuits were made with butter, you know,

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Speaker 1: going back quite a long time now, and I don't

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Speaker 1: I didn't grow up with biscuits. We didn't have them

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Speaker 1: in the house. It was certainly novel when I worked

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Speaker 1: to work at a biscuit factory and there were you know,

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Speaker 1: tim Tams and tiny teddies just everywhere. But I think

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Speaker 1: from a nostalgia perspective, a lot of people who perhaps

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Speaker 1: a getting a little bit older now, I definitely grew

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Speaker 1: up with that cup of tea and a plane sort

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Speaker 1: of milk coffee biscuit, and hence we went through that

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Speaker 1: phase where family assautas were everywhere, and indeed you and

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Speaker 1: I both worked in hospitals where that was served routinely

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Speaker 1: in hospital. Still is there you go and I you

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Speaker 1: know the you I do. When I'm looking at kids lunchboxes,

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Speaker 1: they have a lot of biscuits. You know, they have

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Speaker 1: often tiny teddies or shape, so I think, obviously they're

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Speaker 1: still consumer demand. But you know, the biggest category constituenties artists.

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Speaker 1: You know, Arnets have been the dominant sweet biscuit in

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Speaker 1: as long as I can remember. For a very brief

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Speaker 1: period of time, there was a company called Paradise Lights

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Speaker 1: that came out that were made with a better oil,

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Speaker 1: much lower in fat, that were quite palatable, but they

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Speaker 1: just got eaten up by the big groups in supermarket.

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Speaker 1: So I have today chosen an Arne's range to compare

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Speaker 1: biscuits as a position to try and improve the nutritional

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Speaker 1: profile of this category in the supermarket. So I've chosen

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Speaker 1: the Arnot's chocolate chip cookies minis because I feel these

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Speaker 1: are really marketed as school lunch box fillers. They're four

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Speaker 1: First ingredient wheat flour, chocolate chips at twenty four percent

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Speaker 1: so sugar, cocoa mass, cocoa butter, natural flavor, and mulcifier

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Speaker 1: on it's hat do and continue to use palm oil

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Speaker 1: as vegetable oil in their formulation. I'd love to be

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Speaker 1: corrected if I'm wrong, but I have a very strong

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Speaker 1: feeling that it is when they say vegetable oil, it

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Speaker 1: little positive we can say about it. Dessicated coconuts and

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Speaker 1: neck skim, milk powder, baking powder, salt, and multifier natural

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Speaker 1: flavor antioxidant. So if I see a food product land

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Speaker 1: that is made with wheat flour, sugar and palm oil,

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Speaker 1: generally my recommendation for people would be to run a mile.

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Speaker 1: So hence I'm not overly a big biscuit fan as

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Speaker 1: a day to day food choice, because to me, it

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Speaker 1: a product that this is really marketed, not as an indulgence,

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Speaker 1: This is marketed as a daily addition to people's STF.

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Speaker 1: So per serve, what does the numbers say? It's a

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Speaker 1: twenty five gram sort of small bag. It's five hundred

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Speaker 1: One point two grams of protein, which is as expected.

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Speaker 1: We wouldn't expect a sweet biscuit to contain much protein.

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Speaker 1: It is relatively high and fat, so it's six point

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Speaker 1: three grams of fat perserve, which takes it to correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Yes, twenty five percent fat, so

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Speaker 1: at almost fifteen percent, and that's coming from that palm

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Speaker 1: oil base. Seven point four grams of sugars perserve, but

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Speaker 1: almost thirty percent sugar in this products overall, no dietary

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Speaker 1: fiber are less than one gram sodium in significant given

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Speaker 1: that it's a sweet biscuit, so there is nothing in

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Speaker 1: here really I can say is nutritionally strong. It's made

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Speaker 1: from wheat, refined wheat flour, sugar, and palm oil in

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Speaker 1: they're better options. I don't think in this category there

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Speaker 1: indulgent food, a sw biscuit, whether it's a timtam, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a mint slice, whether it's a chop chip cookie.

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Speaker 1: So I don't buy them. I don't recommend my clients

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Speaker 1: buy them. And if that's your soul food, sure, but

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Speaker 1: to me, the risk is that they slip into everyday

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Speaker 1: diets as a food that's sort of not as bad

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Speaker 1: as I see it as a dietitian am I being

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Speaker 1: too harsh on the chop chip cookie?

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Speaker 2: Leian No, And let's not sugarcredit guys their chocchip cookies

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Speaker 2: despite being in a mini packet, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: marketed at kids, you're still putting chop chip cookies into

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Speaker 2: kids lunchboxes every day. It is what it is. So

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Speaker 2: it's really something that has to be an occasional food,

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Speaker 2: not an everyday choice. And I feel like because it's

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Speaker 2: in a smaller packet, parents sort of think, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: just a little bit, it's not that bad. But there's

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Speaker 2: nothing nutritional in this And if you want to put

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably the only positive thing we can

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Speaker 2: but still it's quite a lot of calories and quite

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Speaker 2: a lot of fat, and you know, the bad type

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Speaker 2: good quality fat. I'm actually quite high sugar, like seven

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Speaker 2: It's too high for our kids. So you know, if

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Speaker 2: an adult was eating this because they genuinely loved chop

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Speaker 2: I do like that, you know they're not buying an

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Speaker 2: entire packet of biscuits and going to smash eight cookies

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Speaker 2: at once. You know they got little portion controlled bags.

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Speaker 2: But I think it really is marketeds as children sort

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Speaker 2: around the bushes. It's it's not a healthy product. We

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Speaker 2: definitely don't recommend it.

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Speaker 1: No, and I do when I'm at the park with

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Speaker 1: small packets of biscuits. I sort of think, really, like,

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Speaker 1: there's so many healthier options out there. I just recently

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Speaker 1: and there's a growing range of very palatable snacks which

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Speaker 1: are made with better oil, better types of carbohydrate, more vegetables. Like, really,

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Speaker 1: I just think do better on its, Like, you're the

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Speaker 1: constantly underwhelming in terms of the initiatives to improve the

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Speaker 1: So the only way we can talk is by not

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Speaker 1: So that leads me to a really interesting product that

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Speaker 1: chocolate nutspread and these cookies. Now there are some of

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Speaker 1: the cookies for kids. It's the no nastiest project better cookies.

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Speaker 1: I've chosen the adult eighty percent less sugar, but there

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Speaker 1: I think they're also found in coals. Actually there's three varieties.

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Speaker 1: They're five dollars for seven, so only slightly more expensive.

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Speaker 1: The first ingredient is wheat flour and then they're using

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Speaker 1: a no added sugar dark chop chip at nineteen percent,

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Speaker 1: erythrotol isomalt stevia, so all natural sweetness, sunflower oil rather

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Speaker 1: than palm inulin, some sugar, regular sugar, whole like powder,

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Speaker 1: It's range. So this is a twenty gram serve. It's

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Speaker 1: saturated fat is a third of the amount in the

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Speaker 1: Arnet's variety of five grams. The overall carbohydrate is ten

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Speaker 1: grams per served, but the sugars are low, like one

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Speaker 1: point one grams of sugars per serve versus seven and

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Speaker 1: Arnet's variety and a bit of fiber two point one grams.

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Speaker 1: So for me, again, I'm not saying this is a

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Speaker 1: one I would absolutely buy over the full strength version.

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Speaker 1: And I do buy these cookie which is how I

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Speaker 1: and was like, wow, that's a lot less sugar eighty percent.

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Speaker 1: What do they taste like? Because ultimately we can make

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Speaker 1: I've said before on the Potti Land, I never put

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Speaker 1: We like by the way, they're good. Well, we have

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Speaker 2: And don't you support them. Tell you know your friends,

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Speaker 1: And they do have also a cereal I haven't tried that.

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