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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers. Now, Hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Happy Family's Podcast. I'm doctor Justin Colson,

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Speaker 1: and today because it's school holidays, because the Easter break

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Speaker 1: has well, well, it's upon us, missus Happy Families. Kylie

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Speaker 1: is completely devoted to our children right now. The podcast

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Speaker 1: must go on, though, and so I've invited a friend

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Speaker 1: and special guests to co host the podcast with me

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Speaker 1: all this week. Her name is Christine Lighton. Christine Layton

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Speaker 1: is the ABC Western Australia and Perth Afternoon's presenter. She's

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Speaker 1: also the mum to a four year old with a

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Speaker 1: brand new baby on the way and Christine, essentially the

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Speaker 1: podcast is yours all week. I'm going to obviously intro

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Speaker 1: the pod, but we can talk about whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do it with literally no prep. I'm

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Speaker 1: just relying on you to come up with content and

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Speaker 1: questions because you're you're a reporter, you're an interviewer, you're

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Speaker 1: a radio host. You know how to do this, and well.

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Speaker 2: Justin, I'm going to get you to wrap Gangster's Paradise

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Speaker 2: by Paulio firstly.

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Speaker 3: Just to see how cooler down you are.

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Speaker 1: Just joking as I walked through the valley in the shadow.

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Speaker 1: No I won't do it. I won't do it, but

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Speaker 1: I was ready for it. Just hit me with it.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's amazing. Honestly, we should go to karaoke one night.

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Speaker 2: But parenting, let's talk about it, because to have used

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Speaker 2: myself for four.

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Speaker 3: Whole episodes is just a dream.

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Speaker 2: And look, I thought we'd start with the topic that

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Speaker 2: I think other parents will be able to relate to.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Recently in Perth, we had a certain man by.

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Speaker 3: The name of Logan Paul visits now.

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Speaker 2: He is said to be a social media personality, an actor,

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Speaker 2: a professional wrestler, but really he's all about this energy

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Speaker 2: drink which has unhealthy amounts of caffeine in it. We

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Speaker 2: saw thousands of kids plead with their parents to take

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Speaker 2: them out to Walworths in mid Valable Places, which is

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Speaker 3: Neither do other parents?

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Speaker 2: So what do you do when your child starts to

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Speaker 1: This has happened for decades and decades. It hasn't always

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Speaker 1: guess what's unusual now is that the reach of these

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Speaker 1: it's so I want to use the word insidious. That's

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Speaker 1: such a negative connotation to it, but like they're everywhere,

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Speaker 1: So I guess the first thing that I would say

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Speaker 1: just that it's Logan Paul or it's Andrew Tate, and

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Speaker 1: Tate and many other social media influencers, their messages are

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Speaker 2: And the Beatles, I mean, I remember women fainting in

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Speaker 2: Is it that these influences have become more radical? Is

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Speaker 1: I'm my own person. My parents can't tell me what

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Speaker 1: to do. Well, the easiest way to make sure that

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Speaker 2: Okay, so does that mean, as a parent you grab

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Speaker 3: Open when you pick them up from school? Does that

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Speaker 1: So what you're really saying is should I be cool dad?

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Speaker 1: Should I be cool?

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Speaker 1: not at all. You don't want to sell out your values,

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Speaker 1: There's a guy in the United States. He's a really

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Speaker 1: But when he's talking to parents, he uses this metaphor

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you push back. And so as it pushes against

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Speaker 1: there's another reason that we push against it that Josh

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Speaker 1: Ship points out, and I think it's really valuable here

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Speaker 3: It's going to keep us safe.

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Speaker 1: And so therefore, when an influence is flogging their latest

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Speaker 1: it's actually pretty cool, and I agree with him because

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Speaker 1: And you know what, they know that we're not being authentic.

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Speaker 1: even if it's uncomfort and even if our teenager doesn't

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Speaker 1: have conversations with our kids. We say, what is the

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Speaker 1: think we have much more productive, much more useful conversations

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Speaker 2: That is such good advice, and I will try and

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Speaker 2: justin maybe it's good good advice all around.

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Speaker 1: I'm really glad. That's excellent. I guess there's probably one

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Speaker 1: Christine or not. You're in the media and your job

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Speaker 1: I get a bit over having to be across.

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Speaker 3: You'd have to monitor thirty of them.

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Speaker 2: You'd have to monitor thirty different influences per day.

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Speaker 3: It's so hard to keep up.

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Speaker 2: I find it hard to keep up with the news

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Speaker 2: cycle as a presenter of the ABC, it would be

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Speaker 2: equally as hard to keep up with social media influences.

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Speaker 3: As a parent, I would think.

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Speaker 1: And there's a sense of, I think, a sense of

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Speaker 1: maybe feeling powerless as a parent, like there's just too

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Speaker 1: I disagreed with her about something, and I was impatient,

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Speaker 1: and I wasn't the perfect parenting expert that I'm supposed

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Speaker 1: to be, and I just said, oh, for goodness sakes,

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Speaker 1: why can't you just listen to me. I know that

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Speaker 1: you're an adult and you can make your own decisions,

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Speaker 1: but I've climbed nearly fifty rungs on the ladder of life,

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Speaker 1: and you're on rung number nineteen. I know the view

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Speaker 1: from number nineteen is awesome, but I'm way up here,

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Speaker 1: like I know stuff that you just don't know. Why

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Speaker 1: do you think you know more than me? And then

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Speaker 1: I stormed out of the room, like I'm just fine,

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Speaker 1: do it yourself, do it your way, or something like that.

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Speaker 3: I was just so frustrating.

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Speaker 1: But the beautiful thing about parenting is you get the

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Speaker 1: opportunity an hour later, or a day later, or a

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Speaker 1: week later, say you know what, I really I really

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Speaker 1: blew it in that conversation the other day. And this

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Speaker 1: is what you can do if you find that your

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Speaker 1: kids are watching Andrew Tator, Logan Paul or whoever else.

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Speaker 1: You can say, I blew up, I did it all wrong.

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Speaker 1: But I really think we need to have a conversation

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Speaker 1: about this, and your child might ratherise and say can

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Speaker 1: we please not have that conversation, but you can say, actually,

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Speaker 1: I get that you don't want to, especially after the

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Speaker 1: way that I behaved last week, but this is too

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Speaker 1: important to not talk about. I don't want to put

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Speaker 1: any pressure on you. I actually just want to watch

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Speaker 1: two or three clips with you so that we can

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Speaker 1: both understand together what's really going on here? Can we

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Speaker 1: just can we do that tonight at eight o'clock? You

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Speaker 1: can set the appointment with them, you can you can

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Speaker 1: repair the relationship and then have really healthy conversations moving

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Speaker 1: on from there. So I just want to add that

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Speaker 1: to this discussion that we're having, Christine. I think it's

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Speaker 1: important that we don't ever feel like it's too late

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Speaker 1: or we've blown our chance.

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Speaker 2: I pictured you stepping down the ladder from rung number

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Speaker 2: fifty down to nineteen and seeing it from her perspective

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Speaker 2: and both being.

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Speaker 3: On the ladder together. That was a beautiful visual and

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Speaker 3: incredibly useful. Well.

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Speaker 2: Look, I have to say the only good thing about

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Speaker 2: Logan fall is he takes a wonderful quacker selfie, So

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Speaker 2: I mean that is his only redeeming factor, Justin, but

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Speaker 2: thank you for helping us tackle that today.

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Speaker 1: Well, I really hope it's been helpful. The Happy Family

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