Speaker 1: Good a. Peter Helly here, welcome to you Ain't Seen
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet the movie podcast, where I chat to a
Speaker 1: guest about a classic movie they haven't quite got around
Speaker 1: to watching until now. And today's guest comedian actor podcaster
Speaker 1: Cameron James.
Speaker 2: The first rule of Flake Club is you do not
Speaker 2: talk about fake club.
Speaker 3: No, it was you afraid of You broke my heart.
Speaker 4: I admire your luck, mister Bond.
Speaker 1: James Bond, what happening right now?
Speaker 2: Don't see nothing here?
Speaker 1: Tom called today's guest the obvious next big Thing, and
Speaker 1: Cameron James is certainly living up to his end of
Speaker 1: the bargain. Known for his many collaborations with his great mate,
Speaker 1: the very funny Becky Lucas cam has been making big
Speaker 1: waves in the podcast world too with recent Yasny guests
Speaker 1: Alexi Teleopolis with their Finding Drago and Finding Desperado series,
Speaker 1: and some exciting news as the Boys have just received
Speaker 1: development funds for a new web doco series, Finding Yeasas.
Speaker 1: Camra is currently touring the country with his fantastic, brilliantly
Speaker 1: funny show Electric Dreams about his early adulthood dream of
Speaker 1: becoming a rock star. Check it out where and when,
Speaker 1: you can. Cam is obviously inventive, funny, can actually play
Speaker 1: guitar and hold a bloody tune. And I'm bloody stokes
Speaker 1: to be hanging with him today.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Cameron James. And three favorite films are this
Speaker 2: is spinal tap, most go up to ten?
Speaker 3: Exactly? Does that mean it's louder?
Speaker 5: Is it any louder?
Speaker 2: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? The wedding singer?
Speaker 4: Get out of my van ale and T shirt before
Speaker 4: you changse the band and they break up?
Speaker 2: And no Country for old men?
Speaker 3: What's the most you ever lost?
Speaker 2: Go on Tosh. But up until this week, I had
Speaker 2: never seen parenthood.
Speaker 6: When you're slamming in the first and you're feeling something
Speaker 6: versus diarrhea diarrhea when you heard and when you're using
Speaker 6: the herd diarrhea, diarrhea, When you're slimming in the hole
Speaker 6: and you're truckle full of pham, diarrhea, diarrhea. When you're
Speaker 6: sitting in your chevy and you're sho feeling heavy diarrhea diarrhea.
Speaker 2: Kevin, Honey, where'd you learn that song?
Speaker 7: Last summer at camper Ah?
Speaker 3: That was money well spent.
Speaker 1: Yes, nine's Ron Howard directed parenthoods see's Steve Martin at
Speaker 1: the peak of his powers in his first film as
Speaker 1: a dad. Yes, before he was the father of the bride,
Speaker 1: before he was the patriarch and cheaper by the dozen,
Speaker 1: he was Gil Buckman, a Midwestern working father married to
Speaker 1: Karen Mary Steenbergen, reminding us that not all Karens are
Speaker 1: in fact Karen's. Gil and Karen are trying to navigate
Speaker 1: life with three kids, the emotional Kevin, the projectile vomiting Taylor,
Speaker 1: and the head butter of walls Justin. But it's not
Speaker 1: just about Gil and Karen's family, and it's what makes
Speaker 1: Parenthood quite remarkable. The ensemble spreads four generations of Buckman's,
Speaker 1: from grandmother Buckman down to newborns, from teenagers discovering themselves
Speaker 1: to toddlers solving intricate mathematical equations. Performances are uniformly brilliant
Speaker 1: across the board. Joan Wish wins the Oscar for Best
Speaker 1: Supporting Actress as Helen, the single mum desperately trying to
Speaker 1: hang on to her daughter Martha Plimpton before she runs
Speaker 1: off with that Todd Keanu Reeves, whilst also attempting to
Speaker 1: connect with their looft teenage son Gary, played by a
Speaker 1: young Waquin Phoenix aka Leaf. Written by lal Gans and
Speaker 1: Babelou Mandel, Paranod strikes an interesting tone, finding moments of
Speaker 1: melancholy around moments of joy. The worry of being a
Speaker 1: parent is always front of mine, from perfecting a kid's
Speaker 1: birthday party to the pressures of kids sports. There are
Speaker 1: threats of divorce, a discussion about abortion, black sheep lives
Speaker 1: in danger, sex, sex toys, pornography, unexpected pregnancies, and of
Speaker 1: course cowboy Gil Cameron James. Have you ever driven home
Speaker 1: with your pants full of foam?
Speaker 2: Well, look, I famously have ibs, so yes, I have.
Speaker 1: What is a different podcast? I wasn't expected to take
Speaker 1: a turn so quickly. I mean, some people might have
Speaker 1: said I didn't need to play the whole diarrhea song,
Speaker 1: but I think they're getting the full context.
Speaker 2: I did, you absolutely did. I also forgot. I've watched
Speaker 2: it twice in the the last week, this movie, and
Speaker 2: I forgot just then that they do the whole song
Speaker 2: so long.
Speaker 1: It is so long, and it is I don't know.
Speaker 1: I obviously I saw this when it came out, when
Speaker 1: I was fourteen years old. I saw it in the
Speaker 1: cinema and that was one of the big takeouts for us,
Speaker 1: and then more so when it got released on VHS,
Speaker 1: so we had access to really hone in on the
Speaker 1: lyrics and to find the layers in Kevin's diarrhea song.
Speaker 2: It's a great song.
Speaker 1: It's a great song. It's your amuso, yourself. You know,
Speaker 1: you recognize it the June. You must have thought pretty
Speaker 1: early on I'm in good hands here.
Speaker 2: I did. I mean, that's kind of at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the movie, isn't it. And yeah, it really does
Speaker 2: set the tone, you know, I'm like, I mean quite genuine. Now,
Speaker 2: it does set the tone for what this movie is,
Speaker 2: which is that it's kind of a bit shaggy, and
Speaker 2: it's a bit it's a bit messy, and it's about
Speaker 2: it's about the mess It's about the phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is about the foam and we've all had
Speaker 1: phone in that pants and it's about how we deal
Speaker 1: with the foam in our pants. Now, why had you
Speaker 1: had this been a movie that had like lingered over you,
Speaker 1: had you considered seeing it? Had you you know, most
Speaker 1: comedians of Steve Martin fans it was just one where
Speaker 1: you thought, jeez, I haven't seen Parenthood yet, why did
Speaker 1: you choose.
Speaker 2: Parentlem Oh, well, that was the thing that got me
Speaker 2: over the line with picking it for this podcast. I've
Speaker 2: always been a Steve Martin fan, and I think I've
Speaker 2: always prioritized silly Steve Martin over more dramatic Steve Martin.
Speaker 2: And you know, for example, Three Migos is like a
Speaker 2: go to movie for me. If I ever need to
Speaker 2: just relax, I'll put on that. I've seen it a
Speaker 2: million times. I love the jerky But there was something
Speaker 2: about trying to think about what it was that has
Speaker 2: kept me away from this movie. And I think it
Speaker 2: is the fact that it seemed like a drama. It
Speaker 2: seemed like more of a straight drama with you know,
Speaker 2: like you mentioned four generations of people going through their
Speaker 2: own trauma's intentions, and maybe I just didn't want to
Speaker 2: see Steve Martin do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, well, I think it's very it's a
Speaker 1: fascinating tone. And we'll get to this because I want
Speaker 1: to go through your your three favorite films. It's a
Speaker 1: very fascinating tone. I think it's a fascinating performance by
Speaker 1: Steve Martin In a movie that has I think, just
Speaker 1: fascinating performances all the way through it. But let's come
Speaker 1: back to that. Because you have nominated three fantastic films,
Speaker 1: you'll be not surprised to know that this is spinal
Speaker 1: tap has come up a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Of course, Yeah, it's to go to, especially for comedy people.
Speaker 2: I I said to you before we started recording this,
Speaker 2: I found this incredibly daunting to try and narrow down
Speaker 2: a top three.
Speaker 1: I had no idea of the horror I was unleashing.
Speaker 1: I just how do I start a podcast. Well, let's
Speaker 1: get provide some context of the kind of movies they like.
Speaker 1: Let's name it three favorite. Is that difficult? It turns
Speaker 1: out of this.
Speaker 2: It's so difficult because I think you you instinctively want
Speaker 2: to pick the most important movies, all the most serious movies.
Speaker 2: So when I first got this, you know you need
Speaker 2: three questions, three faves. I started going to the heaviest
Speaker 2: movies that I've ever seen. Okay, so I guess I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to say The Master and I'll probably have
Speaker 2: to say Godfather Part two. And then I kind of went, no,
Speaker 2: you know what, you have to really think about what
Speaker 2: are the movies you would love to rewatch.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: That's how I'm defining it. And I decided to prioritize
Speaker 2: comedies this time around.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So and also for the record, I want your listeners
Speaker 2: to know I nearly picked three different Adam Sandler movies.
Speaker 2: I nearly picked Okay, the Wedding Singer, Punch, Drunk Love,
Speaker 2: and Uncut Gems.
Speaker 1: Wow, and they're three or two of them are very
Speaker 1: much dramatic sam and puns. Strong Love is one of
Speaker 1: my absolute favorite films, and Cut Gems is just fuck.
Speaker 1: That's a tense film.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 1: I don't think I felt that kind of tension in
Speaker 1: the film that I was not expecting to feel that
Speaker 1: kind of like besides an amazing performance by Boston's own
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett, KG is legitimately very good in that movie.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wasn't expecting, you know, I didn't really know.
Speaker 1: I deliberately kept away from where it went and what
Speaker 1: it was, but that was genuinely the feeling I had
Speaker 1: was visceral.
Speaker 2: Oh he was, Yeah, I know. I watched it. I
Speaker 2: watched it so much in that first week that it
Speaker 2: came out because I was I just loved it. I
Speaker 2: got sucked into the world of it. I really lived
Speaker 2: in it. But anyway, I didn't end up picking it,
Speaker 2: so we can't talk about it.
Speaker 1: We can't fALS Yeah, I love is also amazing. So
Speaker 1: why did Wedding Singer?
Speaker 2: The Wedding Singer became my Sandler pick for this because
Speaker 2: I much like Three Amigos. I'll often put it on
Speaker 2: if I just need something comfort, watching something on in
Speaker 2: the background, if I'm doing work or doing washing up
Speaker 2: or cooking or whatever. I love it. I think it
Speaker 2: is so sweet, it's so beautiful, it's so funny. I
Speaker 2: love seeing Adam Sandlers sing it kind of honestly, when
Speaker 2: I watched that movie, It's the dream project that I
Speaker 2: would make if I was a famous actor. You know,
Speaker 2: where you get to be the funny guy, but you
Speaker 2: also get to sing and play guitar in a band,
Speaker 2: and then you also get to do the sweet stuff
Speaker 2: and get the girl at the end of the day, you.
Speaker 1: Get a history. Barry mud Yes, I mean because you
Speaker 1: I mentioned it in the intro. But you are currently
Speaker 1: touring Electric Dreams, which is about you're you know, you
Speaker 1: wanted to be, you know, a rock star. Rockstar. So
Speaker 1: I can see how this related to absolutely.
Speaker 2: I mean he gets to sing classic eighties tracks in
Speaker 2: that movie and then some original comedy songs as well. Truly,
Speaker 2: it's like the Dream Project.
Speaker 1: Did you see his down out specially imagine if you, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: how good? I think either directed or just Paul Thomas
Speaker 1: Anderson had eyes on it.
Speaker 2: And I think he filmed some of it, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then maybe helped with the edit or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you haven't seen, or if you if you're
Speaker 1: somebody who has maybe given up on Adam Sandler for
Speaker 1: whatever reason.
Speaker 2: That most of you probably you know it goes by
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 1: I urge you not to give up on Adam Sandler.
Speaker 1: But I but that special is one of the best
Speaker 1: put together specially and one of the funniest, with a
Speaker 1: sweet little kicker at the end. Yeah. So he basically
Speaker 1: performs It's It's taken from lots of different performances, from
Speaker 1: club gigs to arenas. But the editing is like you're
Speaker 1: not missing a beat, Like it's not jarring at all.
Speaker 2: It's so sharp. Sometimes it even cuts in the middle
Speaker 2: of a song or a bit. You know, it'll cut
Speaker 2: between the Carolines, comedy club in New York to an
Speaker 2: arena in.
Speaker 1: You know, Madison Square, Madison.
Speaker 2: Square Garden, and it's amazing, it's so funny. Again, I've
Speaker 2: watched that a lot as well, and that's and maybe
Speaker 2: we're kind of tapping into something a little bit here,
Speaker 2: because I think the older I get, the more my
Speaker 2: comedy taste moves away from cynicism and moves towards sweetness.
Speaker 2: And Sandler is the embodiment of that. His early comedy
Speaker 2: is so snarky and annoying, and it's just about how
Speaker 2: much he hates adults, you know, authority figures. And then
Speaker 2: now I'm watching Adam Sandler become a guy who's happy
Speaker 2: to sing a song about how much he loves Chris
Speaker 2: Farley or you know, he's making films about families and
Speaker 2: his family and his kids. And so I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe the Sandler pick and this movie that we're talking
Speaker 2: about today is a bit of an embodiment of me
Speaker 2: getting older and just enjoying sweetness and niceness a little
Speaker 2: bit more than I used to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's I agree. I mean I've always leant
Speaker 1: towards things that aren't particularly you know, even in my
Speaker 1: own personal life I'm not a confrontational person, you know,
Speaker 1: and I would rather watch something that makes me happy.
Speaker 1: Although were that said, I mean, yeah, actually, with that said,
Speaker 1: there's no dictast of cinema like Underground is a movie.
Speaker 1: There's like a Serbian movie called Underground, which is very
Speaker 1: close to being in my top four, and there's nothing
Speaker 1: particularly cheery about that. I love the Coen Brothers and
Speaker 1: we got No Country in a second. But yeah, but
Speaker 1: I do that those comfort movies for me, like planes,
Speaker 1: trains and automobiles for me, Oh yeah, is just one
Speaker 1: of the all time great joys, like listening to you
Speaker 1: what the wedding singer gives you, Planes trains gives them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a great tone too. I think that's something.
Speaker 2: I love that movie, and you're right, it's the It
Speaker 2: has that mix of hard laughs, big jokes, big comedy moments,
Speaker 2: but then it's all capped off with sweetness at the end,
Speaker 2: and you leave feeling good.
Speaker 1: You leave feeling good. I'm not sure how you left
Speaker 1: the cinema when you saw No Country for Old Man. Hopefully,
Speaker 1: hopefully game you didn't leave feeling good. Hopefully you didn't
Speaker 1: have a swagger a springing your step No what are
Speaker 1: the amazing.
Speaker 2: No Country is? You know, this is a really hard
Speaker 2: one to pick because I wanted the Collens on my list,
Speaker 2: and they have every movie there is a different type
Speaker 2: of movie, you know, and I love them all, and
Speaker 2: I can never quite pick which one's my favorite. Some
Speaker 2: weeks it's Lebowski, some weeks it's Fargo. It was Barton
Speaker 2: Fink for.
Speaker 1: A long time, but never Lady Kills.
Speaker 3: It's never.
Speaker 2: Never been Lady Killers. Unfortunately, that's weirdly, that's the one
Speaker 2: I haven't rewatched much.
Speaker 1: Comen Brothers and Tom Hanks. How could they fuck this up?
Speaker 2: I know? But No Country, I think it's I love
Speaker 2: it because I love the West. I'm a sucker for
Speaker 2: a Western. I'm a sucker for that whole esthetic too,
Speaker 2: you know, like I could, I could watch any movie
Speaker 2: that's shot in Texas. I for some reason, I'm just
Speaker 2: I can't take my eyes off the screen.
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, used to be old Hollywood, used
Speaker 1: to make the big westerns, you know, said John Wayne
Speaker 1: out in the West. But I love what they've done
Speaker 1: more recent where there's been modern stories told. Because the
Speaker 1: landscape is basically the same and you have the cowboys
Speaker 1: living there still. I mean, you know, they popular of Yellowstone.
Speaker 2: You know I love Yellowstone. I'm watching Yellowstone at the moment.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: I got so many people in the Yellowstone. But I
Speaker 1: stopped the episode eight and people are coming up to
Speaker 1: me going, thanks for getting into the yellow if you
Speaker 1: finished series four, and no, I'm still in the eight
Speaker 1: episode eight. So but another good one recently in a
Speaker 1: few years ago was Helen high Water.
Speaker 2: I nearly picked that.
Speaker 1: That is such a good film.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. That's a that's a go.
Speaker 2: That's I've watched that a lot too, because.
Speaker 1: And that's a Yellowstone connection, isn't it. I think, same
Speaker 1: guy Sheridan.
Speaker 2: But I love that movie, you know, because they make
Speaker 2: the banks the bad guys. That's the thing about these
Speaker 2: new modern westerns is there's a great commentary about the
Speaker 2: government or the bank system more and it's all you know,
Speaker 2: it makes you feel smart. When you watch it, you
Speaker 2: kind of go, yeah, yeah, America is crazy.
Speaker 1: Thank god we don't live there.
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, but no. Country is just full of amazing
Speaker 2: performances and offbeat performances. It's funny in its own way,
Speaker 2: even though it's not laugh out loud, funny. You know,
Speaker 2: Javier by DEM's hair is funny. Woody Harrelson gets some
Speaker 2: great moments in there. I think, does Stephen Root pop
Speaker 2: up in that? I think Stephen he does.
Speaker 1: He pops up in every film, but he's the best
Speaker 1: best actor. I think he's one of those. I think
Speaker 1: there's a podcast. I haven't actually listened to it, but
Speaker 1: there's a podcast about the actors who you kind of
Speaker 1: like you kind of know their name, if you, if you,
Speaker 1: if you, you know, like I I would have to
Speaker 1: remember this, it's Stephen Stephen Rut And there's a like
Speaker 1: he'd be right up there with actors who his name
Speaker 1: might be on the tip of your tongue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, his name is always on the tip of
Speaker 2: my tongue. I love Stephen Ruth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 2: It's full of these weird, little offbeat character choices, but
Speaker 2: it's all anchored in reality. I think it's a really
Speaker 2: it's like a very special film. No Country for All Men.
Speaker 1: And the tension you feel, like when he goes into
Speaker 1: the general story at the start and the old man
Speaker 1: he's flipping the coin. Yes, you know it's not going
Speaker 1: to be good.
Speaker 2: I also think that Cohen's do such a good job
Speaker 2: with making a fictional story feel real by having coincidences
Speaker 2: happen and the fact that the main action, you know,
Speaker 2: like you know, the main guy dies, we don't even
Speaker 2: see it. It happens off screen, and then someone discovers
Speaker 2: his body later. And they do similar things in Fargo
Speaker 2: where it's sort of it makes it feel like a
Speaker 2: true story that's been eted for the screen.
Speaker 1: The first screen titler is based on the true story.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's one way of doing it.
Speaker 2: I think it's the best choice they ever made.
Speaker 1: It is so incredible because, like, yeah, why doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be It's part of the movie. You're watching a movie.
Speaker 1: They can do whatever they like.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Let's get onto it now. The movie you are here
Speaker 1: to talk about nine to eighty nine's Parenthood, starring I've
Speaker 1: Got Steve Martin, Diane Wheez, County Reeves, Young Mac and
Speaker 1: Phoenix direct Ron Howard.
Speaker 2: Did you like it, Pete? I loved this movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm really I'm always up for people not liking it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm more invested in others. But I am so
Speaker 1: glad you love this film.
Speaker 2: I loved this movie as I said, I watch it
Speaker 2: twice this week, once for this and once for fun.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, And I watched it twice as well, and
Speaker 1: I kind of almost a little bit the same, just
Speaker 1: going wow, this is like I hadn't seen it for
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, So tell me when you saw it
Speaker 1: when you were fourteen at the cinema and did you.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not really aimed at teenage boys.
Speaker 1: There are so many quotable things in this movie, like
Speaker 1: the diarrhea song. Obviously. Yeah, I remember saying, you know,
Speaker 1: quoting Cowboy Dan is coming, Cowboy Dan is coming with
Speaker 1: my mates. And there are so many things. Every scene
Speaker 1: has a gag at the end of it, you know,
Speaker 1: like this, you know your grandmother's a Jeanieus. Why is
Speaker 1: she sitting in the neighbors car? Like this. There's so
Speaker 1: many good things and we'll kind of go through it.
Speaker 1: We'll play some scenes that talk about but like there's
Speaker 1: a start at the start like that. It's just a
Speaker 1: very interesting way to start a movie with the flash
Speaker 1: I mean, movies, you know, quite often start with a flashback.
Speaker 1: But I thought this was in nine to eighty nine,
Speaker 1: quite an interesting movie. You're at the baseball park with
Speaker 1: the young guy. You're trying to work out already, because
Speaker 1: you know Steve Martin's in it. You're trying to work
Speaker 1: out is this a flashback? Oh this is maybe it's
Speaker 1: Steve Martin. Yeah, but that works really well.
Speaker 2: Well that that's what got me hooked in, you know,
Speaker 2: because I thought it was going to be quite saccering
Speaker 2: a little, you know, I mean, okay, the two riders
Speaker 2: of this lowel Gans and Bubbaloo Mandel, who I'm a
Speaker 2: bit obsessed with both of their names.
Speaker 1: You might be obsessed with Bubbaloo Bubbaaloo, but they're great writers.
Speaker 2: And they wrote City Slickers as well, which is another
Speaker 2: great comedy, and it's very in their tone. This kind
Speaker 2: of opening where it's it's sort of teeters on being
Speaker 2: very saccaring and possibly too too sappy, but then it's
Speaker 2: immediately undercut by a very clever meta joke, you know,
Speaker 2: where the little kid sort of says to the usher,
Speaker 2: this is He basically says, yeah, we're I'm this is
Speaker 2: a flashback. This is a memory. You're an amalgam mover
Speaker 2: many different ushers that had to sit with me. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's when I got hooked in, just that moment
Speaker 2: of undercutting it all and having having the usher go yeah, agreat,
Speaker 2: you're having an existential crisis. I'm a freaking amalgam here.
Speaker 1: It's so great. And the apparently if you watch a
Speaker 1: baseball game, there's a guy who's like limping around and
Speaker 1: they shot they shot so many takes. I think they
Speaker 1: shot twelve takes that he actually did his hamstring. So
Speaker 1: when you watch it next time, you'll see a guy
Speaker 1: not actually sprinting the first base. It's so and then
Speaker 1: we get the diarrhea scene and we're off. But what,
Speaker 1: like you would know the amount of movies you watch
Speaker 1: and what you create, like dealing with this many characters.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, is in four generations. So you got
Speaker 1: the kids, you know, the adults, the parents, and the
Speaker 1: grand the grandmother. They do it so there's not one
Speaker 1: character who you feel like you don't know and you
Speaker 1: can't relate to on some level.
Speaker 2: That's so true watching it, I kept thinking with this film,
Speaker 2: it seems like it's the blueprint for all the sitcoms
Speaker 2: that came after it. And I know that it became
Speaker 2: a TV shows it adapted into it. I think twice
Speaker 2: yea they did.
Speaker 1: I think they had a shot pretty quickly after and
Speaker 1: it didn't work. And then more I guess more recently,
Speaker 1: maybe ten years ago, so they had a crack. I
Speaker 1: think it ran for about five.
Speaker 2: It did pretty well, and obviously Modern Family I don't
Speaker 2: think the TV show Modern Family would exist without this movie.
Speaker 1: Well this happens because I think Brian Grazer and Lol
Speaker 1: Ann's and Badlue Mandel and Ron Howard come to get
Speaker 1: together and say, I think there's a story in the
Speaker 1: things that we kind of deal with. And it's amazing
Speaker 1: to think now that was once a thought like this
Speaker 1: is this area hasn't really been covered like it's incredible
Speaker 1: because you Bodern family and house they married, you know,
Speaker 1: amazing succumbs over the years, but you like it just
Speaker 1: seems like such fertile area and now well drilled area areas.
Speaker 1: But this was like it felt it felt actually pretty
Speaker 1: fresh when it happened.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I was trying to put it in context.
Speaker 2: Was there no were there movies like this that were
Speaker 2: just kind of not they're not there isn't really a story.
Speaker 2: It's just you're living in the lives of these people
Speaker 2: for a year. Maybe it feels like it's about a
Speaker 2: year in the life.
Speaker 1: Well, babies are born, so it's at least, you know,
Speaker 1: nine months, and then the lead up to that.
Speaker 2: So I'd say a year and maybe maybe there's something.
Speaker 2: There's some things that have been similar in tone, but
Speaker 2: this particular tome where it's it's not a hard comedy,
Speaker 2: it's not a hard drama. It's sort of that middle ground.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it did it exist.
Speaker 1: Comedy is leading into this felt like bigger, like bigger,
Speaker 1: more higher concept three precedes this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you know that's so true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like bigger kind of create you know, Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: can't action adventure comedies are very big, great in the
Speaker 1: You're awesome, which you're awesome, But it's just kind of
Speaker 1: this kind of hybrid of a comedy, you know, almost
Speaker 1: maybe it's one of the early drama tis you know, That's.
Speaker 2: What I'm thinking. I think this might be, yeah, like
Speaker 2: the blueprint for the drama dye. And as I was
Speaker 2: watching it, I kept thinking, I know, James L. Brooks
Speaker 2: is maybe around the same time, and he sort of
Speaker 2: he's in a similar ballpark, but Ron Howard, James L.
Speaker 2: Brooks without these guys, maybe there's no Judd Apatow today.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's no you know those sorts of Seth Rogany
Speaker 2: movies that are just you know, slice of life watching
Speaker 2: a family hang out. Yeah, and you know, thank god
Speaker 2: because they're great. It's a really nice type of movie.
Speaker 1: Because dramai means a comedy that doesn't isn't as funny
Speaker 1: as it should be. Yeah, but this is like the
Speaker 1: comedy is really funny, really good, and the drama is
Speaker 1: really good. Like there's so much in this and it
Speaker 1: kind of gets a bit, you know, in a way,
Speaker 1: heavier as it goes on. So we're going to get
Speaker 1: to some of the heavier scenes soon. But I think
Speaker 1: Ron Howard's ability and the writer's ability and the actors
Speaker 1: ability to perform these and not like they have flashbacks,
Speaker 1: you know, feel like you're in the same film, Like
Speaker 1: is I think really impressive.
Speaker 2: I'm so amazed at the ability of these guys, of
Speaker 2: this cast and of these creators to have moments that
Speaker 2: are you know, heavy discussions on abortion or divorce budding
Speaker 2: right up against incredibly cartoony moments where Steve Martin is
Speaker 2: you know, doing balloon animals or he's having a fantasy
Speaker 2: about his son being a school shooter and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's amazing that they all exist within the one.
Speaker 1: Move absolutely, and I think they did. It's really clever
Speaker 1: how they've gone gone, Okay, we've got Steve Martin, how
Speaker 1: do we use Steve Martin? And I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: these if because I know Steve Martin, you know, spoke
Speaker 1: to Ron Howard and you know, like most actors, you know,
Speaker 1: do you know, leading men and women, they'll have conversations
Speaker 1: about tone and all that. But I think they found
Speaker 1: it really clever ways because this is like a dial
Speaker 1: down Steve Martin for a lot of this like this
Speaker 1: is not the Three Amigos Steve Martin or the jerk
Speaker 1: Steve Martin. This is a more dial down. But they
Speaker 1: have moments where he's let off the leash and it's
Speaker 1: it's at the party playing cowboy Gill. In fact, let's
Speaker 1: have a listen to maybe him as a as cowboy
Speaker 1: Gill party.
Speaker 6: Pardner, you're Kevin's father, You're not cowboy Dan.
Speaker 1: Right, they call me cowboy Gil as in Gil t.
Speaker 3: I saw cowboy Dawn.
Speaker 1: I didn't like to look on his face.
Speaker 3: It was like this, so I killed him.
Speaker 1: I blew a hole in them. This bit I was
Speaker 1: about this big you know what I think about it.
Speaker 2: That hole was about this bed.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 3: His guts were stilled out.
Speaker 2: All over the floor. As I was walking away, I
Speaker 2: slip around on his gut.
Speaker 9: A couple other people came by and they started slipping
Speaker 9: on his guts too.
Speaker 1: After I blow a hole in.
Speaker 5: Somebody and slip around on their guts afterwards.
Speaker 2: I always like to make balloon animals.
Speaker 1: See mind giving upstown on Calming. So it was actually
Speaker 1: always like watching totally a stand up gig there.
Speaker 2: I was texting my wife while I was watching this,
Speaker 2: and I was saying, you should watch you know, Parenthood.
Speaker 2: I think you really like it, if only for the
Speaker 2: because she loves Steve Martin. I think my wife would
Speaker 2: cheat on me with Steve Martin has a huge crush
Speaker 2: on And I was like, yeah, one of a very
Speaker 2: special moment is he literally does his stand up act.
Speaker 2: He does the balloon animals from his stand up act.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they find that he's even like when he
Speaker 1: with the baseball that he does that kind of you know,
Speaker 1: the crazy kind of funny walk that he know he
Speaker 1: doesn't and they just found really fun moments for Steve
Speaker 1: Martin to be Steve Martin, but it doesn't jar when
Speaker 1: he goes back to being being guilt.
Speaker 2: Isn't that such a That's a huge testament to him
Speaker 2: as an actor, and it's something that maybe I'd never
Speaker 2: even thought about him before, which is that he is
Speaker 2: able to be a real human being, you know, because
Speaker 2: we're so used to seeing him be you know, this crazy,
Speaker 2: the wild and crazy guy, you know, but now he's
Speaker 2: like in this movie, he really taps into being a
Speaker 2: believable as a husband, believable as a dad, believable as
Speaker 2: a guy who's struggling with his relationship with his father
Speaker 2: and his own children. And then yet I also believe
Speaker 2: him as probably the funniest guy in the neighborhood as well. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel crazy to me that he would also
Speaker 2: put on a cowboy suit and entertain all the kids
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: It's and what I like also his relationship with Kevin.
Speaker 1: You see so often in cinema the kids that are
Speaker 1: the trouble kids, you know, and they've all the kids
Speaker 1: have got their own kind of things going on, as
Speaker 1: kids do. And obviously Diane Weese's character. Helen has some
Speaker 1: stuff going on with her too, which you know, they
Speaker 1: kind of behind their backs talk about how at least
Speaker 1: that kids aren't as bad as Gary. Yeah. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I really like that. You know that Kevin loves his
Speaker 1: dad and because there are kids, believe it, I'm not
Speaker 1: like that. Who actually, you know, I just like their
Speaker 1: dads and sometimes you don't see that. And I like that.
Speaker 1: You got Kevin, who's a kid somewhere on the spectrum
Speaker 1: we imagine, but he's but we see him. He's not
Speaker 1: just a kid on the spectrum. We've see him be funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the diary, he's caring. You know, he cracks up. His
Speaker 1: sister's being a funny kid. You know, he's been the
Speaker 1: funny brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. It's really it's a really nice, nuanced performance.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure you should have been expelled
Speaker 1: from the school. I think that would be probably handled it,
Speaker 1: possibly in a different way, hopefully in twenty two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, some things have changed.
Speaker 1: The kid makes a face. We can't have that in
Speaker 1: this school, but it is.
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty believable that the parents would be
Speaker 2: having that conversation with their principal where they don't want
Speaker 2: to take him out of that school. You know, they
Speaker 2: want they want to They think they can solve the
Speaker 2: problem themselves.
Speaker 1: And I love that, he says. Steve Martin says, we
Speaker 1: know there's a problem, we're aware of it, that we're
Speaker 1: going to deal with it in our way.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like their journey with their son is
Speaker 2: like accepting that there's some things that they can't do,
Speaker 2: you know, that they need to get help. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: kind of like in a way, because I was trying
Speaker 2: to figure out what the message of the movie is,
Speaker 2: and I guess it's like about accepting help really and
Speaker 2: like reaching out to the people around you and letting
Speaker 2: them in and letting them guide you in some way.
Speaker 2: Like they all get a version of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think what really makes it work and what makes
Speaker 1: it feel honest is the idea that once you're a parent,
Speaker 1: you are always going to worry about your kids. And
Speaker 1: there's a scene it happens later in the you know,
Speaker 1: but we might as well play it now, And it's
Speaker 1: always been one of my absolute favorite moments in this film.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's a favorite moment of mine in cinema.
Speaker 1: It's the conversation between Frank and Gil. So Frank the
Speaker 1: patriarch of the family. He's basically just realize that he's
Speaker 1: the black sheep of the family. Larry has Is is
Speaker 1: a loser and he's in the scene when he realizes this.
Speaker 1: He realizes that he's back the wrong horse, you know,
Speaker 1: because he says, I'm not Gil and there's a look
Speaker 1: where was like, yeah, yeah, you're not Gil. So he
Speaker 1: goes to Gil and us for advice. This is Steve
Speaker 1: Martin and Jason Robarts.
Speaker 8: I never should have had four. You know, when you
Speaker 8: were two years old, we thought you had polio.
Speaker 1: You know about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mum once said something, yeah wow for.
Speaker 1: A week we didn't know. I hated you for that.
Speaker 8: What I did, I did I hate I hated having
Speaker 8: to go through that caring worry.
Speaker 1: Dang, it's not for me.
Speaker 8: And you know, it's not like that all ends when
Speaker 8: you're eighteen or twenty one or forty one or sixty one.
Speaker 1: It never never ends.
Speaker 8: It's like your aunt Edna's ascid goes on forever, and
Speaker 8: it's just as frightening. It's true, there is no end zone.
Speaker 8: You never cross the gold Lin spike the ball and
Speaker 8: do your touchdown there never I'm sixty four, Larry twenty seven,
Speaker 8: and he's still my son, like Kevin and your son
Speaker 8: the one and we get hurt, he's my son.
Speaker 1: It's is a great gag in there. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: is like so honest. I mean, the idea of like basically,
Speaker 1: there was a point in time where I wish I
Speaker 1: didn't have you, you know, and this like this idea
Speaker 1: because Gil knows he's not the favorite, and there's a
Speaker 1: there's a weird relationship with his dad, and he's basically
Speaker 1: just letting him know why the genesis, the origin story
Speaker 1: of their relationship.
Speaker 2: I was surprised by. I mean, first of all, I
Speaker 2: didn't know Jason Robards was going to be in this movie.
Speaker 2: I love Jason Robarts. I nearly picked Magnolia.
Speaker 1: We haven't covered that. It's been mentioned, and I'm if
Speaker 1: Warhurst mentioned it's one of her favorite films, as you
Speaker 1: mentioned that, and and we haven't done Magnolia as a
Speaker 1: as the whole movie, but I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2: You might need to do it over two episodes, it's
Speaker 2: too long. But but yeah, he's incredible and I think,
Speaker 2: I mean, I just love him. I think he taps
Speaker 2: into this emotional male thing which you don't see very often,
Speaker 2: where it's he comes close to saying something really sweet
Speaker 2: and really nice to his son, he never quite says it.
Speaker 2: He never sits, He never says like I love you, Gil,
Speaker 2: or you know you're You're the son I should have
Speaker 2: been focusing on. He comes close, but he doesn't, and
Speaker 2: it's the fact that he pulls back that makes my
Speaker 2: I nearly burst into tears. You know, there's a moment
Speaker 2: that comes after this where he realizes that his youngest son, Larry,
Speaker 2: is going to leave and go do another scam and
Speaker 2: he's going to leave his son Cool with them, which
Speaker 2: is already great. We will discuss Cool very soon yet,
Speaker 2: and you know, Cool says, is his dad coming back?
Speaker 2: And robuts just says, nope, you want to stay here
Speaker 2: with me? And he's like, yeah, I again, my heart broke,
Speaker 2: doesn't He's not being overly warm, but the warmth is there,
Speaker 2: it's behind, it's behind this male masculine thing. Yeah. It
Speaker 2: does it for me, dude, I love it.
Speaker 1: And for you to be feeling that when there's you know,
Speaker 1: nearly twenty characters that Ron Howard is dealing with it is.
Speaker 1: It really is quite incredible, and they do it with
Speaker 1: little moments like there's a bit where Gilly's being cowboy
Speaker 1: Gill and so everyone's enjoying it, and Jason Robards is
Speaker 1: looking over there and he's he's poor. His poor wife
Speaker 1: comes over it kind of like gives him a hag
Speaker 1: because she's enjoying it too, and he kind of just
Speaker 1: like looks at her and like, this is this is
Speaker 1: not funny, and it tells us one it gives us
Speaker 1: another glimpse, a reminder of the relationship between him and
Speaker 1: his wife, but also the relationship between him and gil
Speaker 1: Because if Larry was doing Cowboy Larry.
Speaker 2: Even know he'd love it, he would love it.
Speaker 1: And I think that let's actually play now the arrival
Speaker 1: of Larry where Larry rocks up. Frank is so excited
Speaker 1: and like this again, this has happening in reasonably early
Speaker 1: in the film, and it just is the what Larry
Speaker 1: says that each of his siblings is so is so
Speaker 1: perfect and informs us one who he is. But also
Speaker 1: this reminds us of maybe what they're going through as well.
Speaker 2: Gilbo Larry, how long has it been three years? About
Speaker 2: that stop wearing your turban. Yeah, my god, Susan, you
Speaker 2: look great.
Speaker 9: And you weren't my sister.
Speaker 10: Ellen.
Speaker 4: You were supposed to wait outside so I could introduce you.
Speaker 7: Well, why don't you do it?
Speaker 10: Now?
Speaker 9: Everybody?
Speaker 3: This is my son Cool? Did he say cool?
Speaker 1: It is so good? And then you have the dinner
Speaker 1: the dinner scene or the lunch scene. Yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: explaining how, you know, Cool came into his life and
Speaker 1: he's had he had an affair and this woman came
Speaker 1: in and said, you take Cool. I just shot somebody
Speaker 1: and he says, you call that a parent.
Speaker 2: It's I was like, this is the role you'd want
Speaker 2: to play, right, I think it's so it's such a
Speaker 2: funny scene stealer.
Speaker 1: Of and it's Tom Holston did and played not long after,
Speaker 1: and he's so good in it. He makes every little
Speaker 1: bit of his scenes count.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. I mean, like, I mean, you're you're a writer,
Speaker 2: so you tell me, like, is it is it hard
Speaker 2: to balance all these types of characters. I don't know how.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could wrap my head around
Speaker 2: it is. No.
Speaker 1: It's like I've written episodes where I know, you know,
Speaker 1: like for say, how to Stay Mary, where we know
Speaker 1: our family and we know how to deal with those characters.
Speaker 1: But there's been episodes where we would bring the parents in,
Speaker 1: you know, or have or have all the characters in
Speaker 1: a scene together. And there's a few people from the
Speaker 1: school who are going to be involved here, like we
Speaker 1: had a Trivia nine episode one and the like, and
Speaker 1: dealing and keeping an eye on all those characters over
Speaker 1: over twenty two minutes. It's tricky. Let alone, you know
Speaker 1: a feature film where you are trying to and I
Speaker 1: think they have absolutely executed it here. They're trying to
Speaker 1: give everybody an arc. Everyone has an arc.
Speaker 2: Everyone gets an arc. And it's also I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know how you do it, but everyone gets to
Speaker 2: be funny in their own way as well. It's not like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's the serious character, that's the sad character. They all get.
Speaker 2: They're all funny in their own specific little ways to
Speaker 2: each other. They make each other laugh. They make us laugh.
Speaker 2: Some of them, like Steve Martin, he makes he makes
Speaker 2: us laugh because he's the voice of us who says
Speaker 2: little sarcastic asides. Diane Weese gets amazing jokes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a role that you know is so dramatically paper,
Speaker 1: it's the sad one. Yeah, she's the sad character and
Speaker 1: she's still got gags in there, but also she makes
Speaker 1: she finds laughs. Yeah, you know in moments she truly
Speaker 1: elevates it.
Speaker 2: I'm such a big fan of hers. And the quote
Speaker 2: that I always pull up is Brad pitt quote about her.
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard that? Is around this time or
Speaker 2: maybe the early nineties, when Brad Pitt was in his like,
Speaker 2: you know, the hottest guy in the world must have
Speaker 2: been after God, I don't know, one of those movies
Speaker 2: that one of those movies that made him a hunk.
Speaker 2: Interview of the Vampire something, and someone said to him,
Speaker 2: who's the most beautiful woman in Hollywood? And he said
Speaker 2: Diane Wete. He was like, she is stunning and every
Speaker 2: she's so believable and I just every time I watch her,
Speaker 2: I can't take my eyes off of And that's how
Speaker 2: I feel when she is on screen. She is gorgeous,
Speaker 2: so gorgeous, but like so real. She feels so like,
Speaker 2: you know, authentic. I believe her as this woman.
Speaker 1: Well, this is where you know we've discussed before. It's
Speaker 1: came up. I'm trying to think of what roles but
Speaker 1: a Holy Hunter in broadcast news is a good example
Speaker 1: of someone who's who you feel an attraction to, and
Speaker 1: it comes from a place of intelligence as far as
Speaker 1: opposed to oh they're wearing a tank top, you know,
Speaker 1: and or that, yeah, there's there's flesh, or there's a
Speaker 1: blonde bombshell. It's not no, it's not that. There's something
Speaker 1: I'm feeling something yeah for this character, and it comes
Speaker 1: from a place of what they what they actually like
Speaker 1: as a character. Is like as a person, I kind.
Speaker 2: Of feel like that Holy Hunter lover and that, but
Speaker 2: also yeah, Diane and this, I'm like, oh God, I
Speaker 2: think I'm falling in love with her, Like I wish,
Speaker 2: I wish I could sweep in and marry her and
Speaker 2: raise Gary.
Speaker 1: Give me a crack of Gary.
Speaker 2: I could crack Gary.
Speaker 1: It's it's and the cool, go back the cool and
Speaker 1: we'll come back with to Helen and Julian Todden and
Speaker 1: and Gary. But that moment where you know he brings
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's slightly weird, isn't it, Because I
Speaker 1: mean the one thing that I would say hasn't aged
Speaker 1: well in this and this is this is not a
Speaker 1: shot of parenthood because it's it's almost true of every
Speaker 1: movie that existed in you know, there's this, it's a
Speaker 1: very white cast. There's no like if you if you're
Speaker 1: making parentle now yeah, you know, you know one of
Speaker 1: the people who are probably married into the family is
Speaker 1: like totally yeah, it's it's more mixed racing.
Speaker 2: Well, even like the show Modern Family is an example,
Speaker 2: and that's still a very white show. Yeah, I've sort
Speaker 2: of diversified it up a bit.
Speaker 1: Yes, and this is very white and straight, like, there's
Speaker 1: not my diversity had all going on in this. But
Speaker 1: but cool is just I mean, just the fact they
Speaker 1: called him cool, Like just say this little every little
Speaker 1: moment has been thought about and considered by by the writers.
Speaker 2: I know, it's kind of the perfect comedy name. It's
Speaker 2: for the dipshit son to bring home, you know, like
Speaker 2: he's named his son cool. It's just a funny. It's funny, gay,
Speaker 2: it's so funny.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Let's let's talk about Helen Julie.
Speaker 1: He's going out of Todd and Gary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, I didn't know where Keing Phoenix was going
Speaker 2: to be in this. Yeah, that was a nice surprise.
Speaker 1: And oh my god, I mean there's just you know,
Speaker 1: so he's a bit lost. He's locking his door. You
Speaker 1: were locked bedroom door kind of guy. I didn't have
Speaker 1: a lock.
Speaker 2: I was always jealous of seeing that in movies and
Speaker 2: kids had a padlock on their door. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: definitely would shut my door every time I went in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's he's walking around a brown tucker bag
Speaker 1: like paper bag. Yeah, with porn. We find out it's
Speaker 1: got porn in that. I'm not sure where he's going
Speaker 1: to watch these? Yeah, h video tapes by the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah is he where's he getting them from? Why is
Speaker 2: he carrying them around town?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 1: It was like me, he got from the dodgy bloke
Speaker 1: in the milk bar under the counter. But for those
Speaker 1: who didn't quite spot at the three movies, I think
Speaker 1: he's apout the three movies that the cases are in.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't remember what was in the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Dragnet and the Great Outdoors, Dragnet the film,
Speaker 1: the film, Yeah, and Tom Hanks and Tom Hanks.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never seen that, you know, so I've never seen.
Speaker 1: It's not one that I've revisited a lot, but I
Speaker 1: think it was pretty good.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it exists. It's a reboot of the series.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, comedy reboot of.
Speaker 1: The comedy reboot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bzar, I'd like to watch it, and I'd like
Speaker 2: to watch the porno that's in there.
Speaker 1: And Mildos or something, Yes, something like that. Let's have
Speaker 1: a listen to because this is truly a heartbreaking set. Again,
Speaker 1: this is talking about the comedy, which is always funny
Speaker 1: in this And then there's a moment where Gary asks
Speaker 1: his mum if he can call his dad, and and
Speaker 1: there's I could have played it. I could have played
Speaker 1: four minutes of this scene. It's better watching it because
Speaker 1: you you see Dian Weeze is not barely tries to
Speaker 1: talk him out of it, like has a little go
Speaker 1: because she knows the result is going to be inevitable
Speaker 1: and there's going to be heartbreak her watching Gary make
Speaker 1: this phone call. It's a one sided phone call, so
Speaker 1: you don't see Gary's father at the other end. The
Speaker 1: performance by young Joaquin Phoenix is incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he already had it, didn't He already have the
Speaker 2: ability to to be engaged emotionally in that way. It's
Speaker 2: pretty great when.
Speaker 1: You're watching it you're gonna go, oh, yes, yeah, by
Speaker 1: its river finished his brother, and then you watch it
Speaker 1: now and you're going to go, oh, we know everything
Speaker 1: else makes sense. Yeah, he was as good as he is.
Speaker 1: There's also another little little touch by Ron how when
Speaker 1: you watch it, when Dinies try, you know, Hallan tries
Speaker 1: to convince him not to you know that your dad's
Speaker 1: busy and you don't know him like I do, and
Speaker 1: he goes, no, I want her, and he asks for
Speaker 1: the number, and as he as she's giving him a number,
Speaker 1: he kind of walks towards the phone, which is further away,
Speaker 1: and the camera just pans back away from Diane Weese,
Speaker 1: almost from Gary's point of view, and then he ends
Speaker 1: up almost with shutterers between them, and it's just again,
Speaker 1: it's just a small touch. But I think you can
Speaker 1: underestimate and underrate a director who I think the tricks
Speaker 1: he's pulling off that's a really good or yeah, he's
Speaker 1: just like that. The emotional distance between gets further is
Speaker 1: in that moment, is getting further and further apart between
Speaker 1: mother and son until there's something in between them potentially physically,
Speaker 1: and that probably represents I think the father. Let's have
Speaker 1: listened to Gary on the phone to his father asking
Speaker 1: if he can come and stay for a while, which
Speaker 1: is normal.
Speaker 7: Well he'd be he'd be at work now.
Speaker 2: So that's.
Speaker 7: Two O sex five seven. No, no, yeah, yeah, Doctor.
Speaker 5: Lamkin there.
Speaker 7: His son. No, Dad, it's not Jewey, it's Gary.
Speaker 5: Your other son. Well, I need to ask you something.
Speaker 5: It'll just take a second. Oh, would it be okay
Speaker 5: if I stay with you.
Speaker 7: For a while a few months?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 1: Shit, humph.
Speaker 2: You didn't think it was just a good idea?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 7: I better go.
Speaker 1: We've spoken on this podcast about we did Love actually
Speaker 1: before Christmas, and we you know, Eddie Bannon tore it apart,
Speaker 1: and I can understand why he did that, and I
Speaker 1: agree with a lot that he had to say. But
Speaker 1: the one thing you can always said up for about
Speaker 1: Love actually is Emon Thompson's performance. And I think I
Speaker 1: think dying Weed's in this threat the whole film, but
Speaker 1: also in this moment, that that moment where in Love actually,
Speaker 1: where Emmon Thomas is living listening upstairs to Johonni Mitchell
Speaker 1: realizing that her husband might be having an affair like
Speaker 1: is like, I put that in the same category as this,
Speaker 1: like dionis not a lot of dialogue. But she's just
Speaker 1: listening and listening to your son call his dad, knowing
Speaker 1: he's going to be rejected and then for that to happen.
Speaker 2: And also she's listening to him call his dad because
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to live with her anymore. So there's
Speaker 2: so much going on, yep, inside her. She's been rejected
Speaker 2: by her son but also knowing that he's about to
Speaker 2: be rejected by his own father. Very complex, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you. I'm glad you mentioned that that little
Speaker 2: Ron how a little you know, the pullback, because I
Speaker 2: think I don't think Ron Howard gets enough credit for
Speaker 2: being a good director.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think he kind of people think of him maybe
Speaker 2: as like a journeyman who does these big Hollywood things,
Speaker 2: you know, like he did Solo a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: the Han Solo movie, and we.
Speaker 1: Came in to save that film. Yeah, yeah, which I
Speaker 1: will always stand up for. I think it's a very
Speaker 1: fun and I absolutely I would have it in my
Speaker 1: top six Star Wars films.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: It's another podcast.
Speaker 2: It's in my top six star Wars. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: Da Vinci Code's and Apollo thirteen.
Speaker 1: He's a bit of a mine. Yeah, but he has
Speaker 1: he's a little interesting. He did like rush rush, like
Speaker 1: he steps out of himself, can't you know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is I think this is a
Speaker 2: proof to me that he's he's a really artistic director.
Speaker 2: This film, the ability to wrangle the cast, to make
Speaker 2: those little choices. You know, we've already kind of talked
Speaker 2: about how everyone gets an arc and everyone gets moments
Speaker 2: to be funny but also surprising. Characters can move you
Speaker 2: in this movie, and I got side, like blindsided by
Speaker 2: the grandmother, who just seems like a comedy character in
Speaker 2: this like a doddering old lady, and then she comes
Speaker 2: in with this amazing monologue how life's a roller coaster,
Speaker 2: and I didn't even know what was happening. I thought, Oh,
Speaker 2: she's entered the scene. She's gonna say some non sequiteur
Speaker 2: and then she'll she'll leave and we'll all laugh at
Speaker 2: this silly old lady. But she ends up saying the
Speaker 2: thing that sums up the movie's message, and I again
Speaker 2: fighting back tears. As soon as I realized I was
Speaker 2: watching the message of the movie come out of this
Speaker 2: lady's mouth. I'm like, oh, god, Ron, you did it.
Speaker 2: You got me.
Speaker 1: I love the fact there's respect for like. She could
Speaker 1: have been a comedy character in a mumbling. Could have
Speaker 1: been when with the back around the head Yeah I
Speaker 1: had the headbutting. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh that could have
Speaker 1: made it too cool? Yeah, absolutely, But Jesus, she's a
Speaker 1: source of generally fun, you know, I think in the
Speaker 1: in the movie. But let's have a listen to her.
Speaker 1: Her amazing roller coaster analogy.
Speaker 10: You know, when I was nineteen, Grandpa took me on
Speaker 10: a roller coaster. Oh, up down, up down.
Speaker 2: Oh what a ride.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a great story.
Speaker 10: I always want to go again. It was just interesting
Speaker 10: to me that a rye could make me so so frightened,
Speaker 10: so scared, so sick, so so excited, and and so
Speaker 10: thrilled altogether. Some didn't like it. They went on the
Speaker 10: merry go round, don't just go to wrong nothing.
Speaker 7: I like the roller coaster.
Speaker 1: You get my rod of it.
Speaker 10: Well, I'll be seeing you in the car.
Speaker 9: She's a very smart lady.
Speaker 5: Come on, Taylor, your ears are ready.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: A minute ago, I was really confused about life, and
Speaker 9: then Grandma came in with her wonderful and affecting roller
Speaker 9: coaster story and now everything's great again.
Speaker 2: I happen to like the roller coaster.
Speaker 7: Okay, as far as I'm concerned, your grandmother is brilliant.
Speaker 2: Come on, Taylor, come on, hurry up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's so brilliant.
Speaker 1: How comes she's sitting in her neighbor's car? So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that is and this is all happening whilst
Speaker 1: I mean that conversation again, this is this idea of
Speaker 1: the melancholy and and and the last kind of happening
Speaker 1: kind of you know, concurrently sometimes you know, and they
Speaker 1: just had a conversation. If I'm not mistaken, they've just
Speaker 1: had a conversation about that. They had the conversation. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think now of of the abortion conversation, you.
Speaker 2: Know, theola before the play and Gil. It's actually a
Speaker 2: really sweet moment. Gil is just watching Mary Steinberg and
Speaker 2: fix her kid's costume, and he just tells her he
Speaker 2: loves her, and then she she's she's like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: do you want to have a kid and all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is the abortion conversation and then the school the
Speaker 1: baseball catch where you're going to realize is this has
Speaker 1: put me in a mood now where I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he says I love you, which I think
Speaker 1: only until you're married or you're in a long term,
Speaker 1: a long term you know, relationship. Can you realize? Sometimes
Speaker 1: when I've watched it as a kid, I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's what married people did, they tell each other
Speaker 1: they love Yeah. Yeah, But when you've been with the
Speaker 1: part of a long time, you know, sometimes sometimes that
Speaker 1: takes courage to actually say when you're actually not on
Speaker 1: the best of terms right now. I know, yeah, to
Speaker 1: say I love you.
Speaker 2: I'm married or been married for seven years, but we've
Speaker 2: been together for fifteen and yeah. Sometimes days go by
Speaker 2: where you don't say it, and sometimes you're fighting and
Speaker 2: you just think, I need to bridge the gap here
Speaker 2: and I just need to say something incredibly nice so
Speaker 2: that we can move through it. And even though we're
Speaker 2: still angry at each other, I just want her to
Speaker 2: know that I'm still here and I'll be here, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So it is sweet when you watch and again, I'm
Speaker 2: just getting older and noticing these things in movies and
Speaker 2: feeling moved by them. Yeah yeah, realizing that this is
Speaker 2: life and these things that when I was younger, I
Speaker 2: would have probably scoffed at or sneered at. Now I'm
Speaker 2: looking at and going, that's real life. This movie has
Speaker 2: captured moments of real.
Speaker 1: Life absolutely, and like to be honest these days, when
Speaker 1: they have that discussion and Steve Martin infers, you know,
Speaker 1: he says, you know, this means I'm going to have
Speaker 1: to work more, so you're going to have to find
Speaker 1: help somewhere else, you know. And she says, why don't
Speaker 1: you say what you're really thinking? And it's about having
Speaker 1: an abortion, and he says, well, that's a choice only
Speaker 1: a woman can make. Now, I mean, I love that.
Speaker 1: I don't love that's his viewpoint, but I just love
Speaker 1: that it's in the movie. And I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: Now in twenty twenty two is progressive as we are
Speaker 1: a writer, at least, I was making a completely really
Speaker 1: edgy but in the mainstream comedy it would allow their
Speaker 1: main character to have that viewpoint or to say that loud. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's really quite it's really quite cutting edge.
Speaker 2: I think it's awesome. I loved it. I love that
Speaker 2: whole argument. I couldn't believe it. You know, you never
Speaker 2: see that anymore. It's always the leading man would be
Speaker 2: incredibly woke and progressive, but this was he has almost
Speaker 2: a conservative view when it comes to the gender dynamics
Speaker 2: in a marriage. And and she calls him on it too,
Speaker 2: you know, like she's amazing. She stands up for herself
Speaker 2: and she tells him he's a dick basically, and they
Speaker 2: have this big, real argument. It feels so real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I haven't.
Speaker 2: Had this exact argument, but we've had big arguments where
Speaker 2: you are lashing out at each other. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: that's what this felt like.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And you mentioned earlier the flashback scenes or the
Speaker 1: flash sorry, the flash forward scene or the fantasy scenes
Speaker 1: if you like, of when the baseball scenes happens. Let's
Speaker 1: have listened to at least the first one where he
Speaker 1: gil puts his kid in and he sees that this
Speaker 1: could be the defining moment in Kevin's life. And he
Speaker 1: flashes forward to a bella Victorian speech given by a
Speaker 1: future Kevin.
Speaker 4: Now, it was my great pleasure to introduce our valedictorian.
Speaker 2: Kevin.
Speaker 1: But thank you.
Speaker 4: You know, when I was nine years old, I had
Speaker 4: kind of a rough time. A lot of people thought
Speaker 4: I was pretty mixed up, but there.
Speaker 9: Was one person who got me through it.
Speaker 2: He did everything right, and thanks.
Speaker 4: To him, today one of the happiest, most confident, and
Speaker 4: most well adjusted person in this world.
Speaker 7: Dad, I love you.
Speaker 2: I mean standing ovation, standing ovation.
Speaker 1: He's also projecting a world where Mary Steinberger's not even
Speaker 1: not even there.
Speaker 2: I noticed that too him, Like, why didn't they get
Speaker 2: steenberg And into this shoot? It would have been surely
Speaker 2: it would have been like an hour get her in.
Speaker 1: Just hanging out with Ted Jedi dat not with Ted
Speaker 1: dancing that day. But yeah, I think it's so funny.
Speaker 2: And that's immediately followed up by the the other fantasy
Speaker 2: where his son's become a school shooter and he's in
Speaker 2: the bell tower taking people out. It's got that's full
Speaker 2: Steve Martin off the leash moment.
Speaker 1: Well that's another moment, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got the bullhorn and he's kind of calling
Speaker 2: out to him and he starts singing the diarrhea song.
Speaker 1: The singer, though, is like, let's sing one of the
Speaker 1: old tune perfect callback, Like callback should always happen when
Speaker 1: you know they should come out of left field where
Speaker 1: you don't you're not you don't see them coming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the fact that he's seeing that this is this
Speaker 1: song that brought him so much, so much misery in
Speaker 1: the car at the start, is now how he's trying
Speaker 1: to reconnect with his son. He's shooting from a bell tower.
Speaker 2: Calling it one of the old tunes as well. It's
Speaker 2: so funny, like it's from the old country or something.
Speaker 1: Let's also this is a quick mention to the parent
Speaker 1: at the at the baseball game, whose son's obviously the
Speaker 1: star of the Clint Howard, Clint Howard, Yes, so good.
Speaker 1: Can we have a little this may be under no business.
Speaker 1: Let's have listened to I've lived through, been at sporting
Speaker 1: games where there's parents not dissimilar to this.
Speaker 3: You're nosy out there business, no, yeah, out there.
Speaker 1: That's all we need is And it's just it's just again,
Speaker 1: if you've got a small role, make that role as
Speaker 1: funny as possible.
Speaker 2: I know, and they do it and cass Clint Howard,
Speaker 2: you know, like that's that's when you know you're watching
Speaker 2: a Ron Howard movie. I think Clint pops up. I'm
Speaker 2: such a sucker for him as a character actor. Anytime
Speaker 2: he shows up in something, he's always funny. He always
Speaker 2: elevates it. He's got that bizarre look. He's so identifiable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: really funny. And I with you. I've I played soccer
Speaker 2: all through my childhood and my dad was probably more
Speaker 2: of a gill, but there were plenty of other dads
Speaker 2: who would just scream at us from the sidelines, and
Speaker 2: I always thought it was insane. Even as a ten
Speaker 2: year old, I thought, why are these grown men screaming
Speaker 2: at us?
Speaker 1: It's so I completely agree, and I've seen it as
Speaker 1: an adult, and I've seen it when I was growing up.
Speaker 1: In fact, one of my teammates had a dad who
Speaker 1: was famous for yelling at and usually mostly encouraging them,
Speaker 1: not always, not always even to us or to the opposition,
Speaker 1: but I will. The other thing it captures is, though,
Speaker 1: and I notice now as an adult and that my
Speaker 1: boys who have played sport and they've all thankfully they've
Speaker 1: all won at least one premiership beach is the joy
Speaker 1: that exactly if one had a missed out it would
Speaker 1: have been tough. One just recently lost to a basketball
Speaker 1: grand final, which is it's all character building, But the
Speaker 1: joy that it does give you, even if it's not
Speaker 1: a grand final, even if it's a tight game, the
Speaker 1: joy it gives you. I'm a massive Collingwood fan. I
Speaker 1: love going to watch Collinwold, always have, but I will
Speaker 1: take watching my kids in a game like over. It
Speaker 1: most weet unless it's a big Collingwood game, But there
Speaker 1: is a joy that So that elevation that Steve Martin
Speaker 1: has I kind of thought I understood as a kid,
Speaker 1: but now that I've gone through, I do know how
Speaker 1: it can actually just make your day, your week. And
Speaker 1: that's that springboards him into kind of you know, you know,
Speaker 1: a point where he's prepared to say I love you
Speaker 1: too to his wife.
Speaker 2: I it made me feel guilt for how shit I
Speaker 2: was at soccer because I just thought my dad had
Speaker 2: to really watch me for about ten years be bad
Speaker 2: at this game. He had to come along every week
Speaker 2: and be supportive and just know that he was watching failure.
Speaker 2: It must have been so heartbreaking for him because he's
Speaker 2: a good player. My dad's a good, you know, football player.
Speaker 2: But it must have just really upset him that I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I hopefully comes to your comedy shows and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully just quickly before we go back to Helen and
Speaker 1: told him not talking about Counta Reeves. And we haven't
Speaker 1: even talked about We haven't talk about this. It's insane.
Speaker 1: It's an insane film.
Speaker 2: Nathan and Susan, Oh my god, we haven't even talked about.
Speaker 2: Rick moranis.
Speaker 1: Rick moranis what the hell?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: It's a Canadian comedy god. And you know he's so
Speaker 1: good obviously in Ghostbusters, Yeah, and obvious hunging out rot
Speaker 1: the kids in those films, but done Little Shop of Horrors.
Speaker 2: I love I love Little Shop.
Speaker 1: It's this acod like Rick moranis is really funny in this.
Speaker 1: That relationship is really funny. It's not the one, it's
Speaker 1: not the one you kind of think about going forward.
Speaker 2: No, it's a it's a pretty restrained Morana's performance too.
Speaker 2: You know if he used to Seeing him in Ghostbusters
Speaker 2: where he's dialed all the way up in full geek mode.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because he's he's an alpha in this. He's
Speaker 2: like an intelligent alpha male. And even the way his
Speaker 2: wife talks about him is like it's like they're describing
Speaker 2: another actor. I find it so interesting. Yeah, she's like,
Speaker 2: he was so hot back in college and he used
Speaker 2: to go down on him in the car and then
Speaker 2: you kind of there's a bit of a disconnect with
Speaker 2: be going. She's talking about Rick moranis which makes it.
Speaker 1: So much more interesting and funny. And and by the
Speaker 1: way that the BJA scene, that is a perfectly executed scene.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say, b J, we don't see.
Speaker 2: That, We don't see that great comedy cut.
Speaker 1: It is a great comedy cut. So you have the
Speaker 1: idea that Steve Martin Gill's feeling the tension. Mary Steinberger
Speaker 1: clocks it, and then she goes down on him, and
Speaker 1: it's just a perfect cut to you almost say the
Speaker 1: steam first coming out out of the the engine, and
Speaker 1: then you're kind of pan down you see the engine.
Speaker 1: It's a laugh there, and then it kind of just
Speaker 1: moves across and I think Gil comes out with you
Speaker 1: and he's's got a tissue to his head, he's obviously
Speaker 1: cut his brow or something. And then she Mary. He
Speaker 1: moves towards the camera Mary Steinberg and says she's embarrassed
Speaker 1: and apologizing. Enter the police. Police officer, what happened here?
Speaker 1: Steve Martin says, honey, why don't you show him?
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: That is again, comedy directors don't get the kudos they deserve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about a lot of the nice touches.
Speaker 1: But it's so easy to fuck up a comedy, get
Speaker 1: in its way.
Speaker 2: I know that it's honestly masterful the way that they
Speaker 2: handle that scene. I couldn't believe how funny it was.
Speaker 2: You know, it's twenty twenty two and I was cracking
Speaker 2: up jokes from nineteen eighty nine. But yeah, like Mirani's
Speaker 2: character in this, I think pretty will be underrated. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's kind of maybe he gets lost in the mix
Speaker 2: a little bit, but it's a great type of guy,
Speaker 2: the guy that wants his kid to academically succeed and
Speaker 2: be a genius. And I guess it's dialed up by
Speaker 2: the fact that he's actually just putting a lot of
Speaker 2: pressure on a four year old girl or something. You
Speaker 2: know that it is funny, but it's not played for laughs.
Speaker 2: It's kind of played a bit more of a dramatic Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean the very first time, I think you see
Speaker 1: then he's played for life. That is the reveal that
Speaker 1: the reveal that he's talking too. You know, he's very young,
Speaker 1: he's just three daughter, But I think it's still I
Speaker 1: think I think we're supposed to be laughing. But I
Speaker 1: think I like that Rick moranis doesn't doesn't overplay it.
Speaker 1: And again there's just all these little moments where in
Speaker 1: the writing they're's reminding us of everybody's story. When the
Speaker 1: idea when Larry, so, when Larry comes home, the chain
Speaker 1: reaction of that means that grandmother has to go and
Speaker 1: live somewhere else, And Nathan says, well, this would be
Speaker 1: would be a great multi generational influence on Patty. Again,
Speaker 1: it's just finding moments, whatever moment you can to remind
Speaker 1: the audience of You kin'd of have everyone to kind
Speaker 1: of have six big scenes to get their story across. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you just have these little moments.
Speaker 2: They get a nice The moment where she tells him
Speaker 2: she wants to break up with him is played through
Speaker 2: the cards. Yeah, I think that's hilarious, really great way
Speaker 2: to do that too, to take what could be a
Speaker 2: really heavy moment and turn it into a comedy beat.
Speaker 1: And when she says, you know, when you she has
Speaker 1: the cart I'm leaving you, and he says, you're leaving me,
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: The next cart is yes, so funny, so good, so funny.
Speaker 2: It's so good and then they get the payoff where
Speaker 2: he does the big grand emotional gesture to her by
Speaker 2: singing whier birds suddenly appear in front of all her class.
Speaker 2: It's cheesy, yes, but it works.
Speaker 1: It works. I think it works, and I think they
Speaker 1: earn these moments because they have gone to like more
Speaker 1: interesting areas as as the movie has has played out,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about the end soon. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: the best performance in the movie is young Justin, Young Justin,
Speaker 1: who is the youngest of the Backman kids. So when
Speaker 1: you watch it again, look at every scene Justin's in.
Speaker 1: You could not get a better performance out of a
Speaker 1: two year also took one at a team the only
Speaker 1: full frontal nudity scene in the film. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: could not. I've directed it, you know, some episodes of television,
Speaker 1: and I've directed young young people, and I swear you
Speaker 1: could not. From his physicality to his expressions on his face,
Speaker 1: how I would like I would love to top to
Speaker 1: Ron how and say how did you get that? That's
Speaker 1: like and it's luck and it's it's like in a bottle.
Speaker 1: You're asolutely right and sometimes use this. You put a
Speaker 1: camera on and you kind of wait, for him to
Speaker 1: because there's a bit where he's in that scene where
Speaker 1: Rick Randas comes in and they talk about the you
Speaker 1: know how powerful he is at sex and and and
Speaker 1: and then the DJ stuff, and then he comes in
Speaker 1: with the bucket on his head and rams the wall
Speaker 1: and he rams all and then he said he's gonna
Speaker 1: come back from all and he's feeling a bit dizzy,
Speaker 1: and then his hand as gently goes up against the wall.
Speaker 2: It's like he steadies himself.
Speaker 1: He steadies himself.
Speaker 2: It is it's really funny.
Speaker 1: It's a perfect Now I'm not saying there are other
Speaker 1: performances that deserve more attentionent but if you watch it,
Speaker 1: there's not a single frame that he's in that it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a kid. That's just the kid, you know. That's
Speaker 1: that's the best they could get out of him.
Speaker 2: He gets, you know, and you can tell he's taking
Speaker 2: direction too. There's a part towards them where he's looking
Speaker 2: at a poster of it's like that iconic poster of
Speaker 2: all these little babies with their bums out, yeah, and
Speaker 2: he's looking at it, and then he starts looking at
Speaker 2: his own bomb, yeah, and kind of touching it and like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's that's a kid taking direction. They would have told
Speaker 2: him to do that, and he did it.
Speaker 1: At the play. That's my sister, Yeah, my sister. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's incredible. Before we get to the end, I
Speaker 1: want to go back to. I do want to go
Speaker 1: back to because I haven't spoken about County Reeves and
Speaker 1: that's yeah, people will be yelling at for doing that.
Speaker 1: This is like this is pre Bill and Ted's I think,
Speaker 1: is it is it?
Speaker 2: It must be around this around that time. But he's
Speaker 2: certainly in that he's in mode. Yeah, but it's really
Speaker 2: really good. I did not know he was in this movie.
Speaker 2: I also love Martha Plimpton. Didn't know she was in it,
Speaker 2: so that was a big surprise to have them both
Speaker 2: be as great as they are in this. They they
Speaker 2: got my favorite arc in this whole story because it's
Speaker 2: so teenage. That intense love you feel for your first
Speaker 2: proper boyfriend or girlfriend. You think it's world ending, like
Speaker 2: I need to be with this person forever. I will
Speaker 2: move out. I want to live with them. I want
Speaker 2: to I'll sneak them into my home. I'll get a
Speaker 2: haircut for them. You know, you do feel that intensity
Speaker 2: and and you know, as Diane Wee says in the movie,
Speaker 2: it's probably not gonna last, but it's what she wants,
Speaker 2: so I have to support it.
Speaker 1: You know, that's such a such a sweet moment. And
Speaker 1: I mean when they get the I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: you ever recorded your love on a Kodak camera and
Speaker 1: a Kodak I mean, it's I mean, I said, I
Speaker 1: don't think this film is dated much at all. Like
Speaker 1: outside of the diversity, I think most of it holds
Speaker 1: up really well. I mean there's always stuff like there's
Speaker 1: videotapes and all that, But that was a reminder the
Speaker 1: but the it reminded me of the you know, going
Speaker 1: before you could take a photo on your phone and
Speaker 1: see it straight away, like you the courage it would
Speaker 1: take to make, you know, to record your love on
Speaker 1: camera and to take it into you know, same day photos,
Speaker 1: day photos to get developed. The developer scene a copy
Speaker 1: of the guy that both has heard about it. So
Speaker 1: he's having a look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's look.
Speaker 1: I was looking at photos and I would be sending
Speaker 1: somebody else to pick up those photos. Otherwise I'd be
Speaker 1: wearing a very heavy disguise.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I've never taken nude photos and certainly
Speaker 2: never had them developed or anything like that. But gay good.
Speaker 2: But I did. When I was a teenager and I
Speaker 2: had a girlfriend, we sent each other sexy text messages.
Speaker 2: And this is in the era, the nokiat era, where
Speaker 2: you type the text first. Then the next thing is
Speaker 2: you select the number that it's going to.
Speaker 1: Oh it's dangerous, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Her name started with M, which is very close to mom.
Speaker 2: And I sent a particularly graphic text to my mum
Speaker 2: and I felt my whole like soul leave my body,
Speaker 2: you know, and my mum rang me and she was crying.
Speaker 2: It was very similar to this scene in the movie
Speaker 2: where she was crying. I just didn't I can't believe
Speaker 2: I had to see that. Why would you use you know,
Speaker 2: what would you send that? It's it's it's truly mortifying
Speaker 2: to reveal, like to have your parents find out that
Speaker 2: you're a sexual person in that way, and to.
Speaker 1: Find like again the performances dining watching is so funny.
Speaker 1: You can see his face in this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I'm going to save this one
Speaker 2: from my wallet.
Speaker 1: And I love that Keanu is not in that scene
Speaker 1: because it makes sense. You wouldn't when you realize what's happened,
Speaker 1: you would have been taking your boyfriend to have that conversation.
Speaker 2: But he gets He gets to do a lot more
Speaker 2: in this movie than you'd think. You know, he gets
Speaker 2: the really sweet moment with Gary, he gets to connect
Speaker 2: with Diane by you know, fulfilling in the father role
Speaker 2: essentially for Gay.
Speaker 1: Well, this is each characters got their own art, but
Speaker 1: they've also got a little connections between them. Like even
Speaker 1: with that, you know, in that family, like there's something
Speaker 1: happening between you know, Helen and and you know Martha
Speaker 1: Plimpton's character Julie, and then there's something happened between Helen
Speaker 1: and Todd. There's a relationship there that develops. There's obviously
Speaker 1: Helen and Gary. You know, there's Gary and Todd, and
Speaker 1: there's you know, Gary and Julie. It's it's all. It's
Speaker 1: so there's it's so interconnected in such a beautiful and
Speaker 1: seemingly effortless way. Even though we know that things this
Speaker 1: would the storyboarding that would have gone on and the
Speaker 1: mapping out of the of where each character was at
Speaker 1: each time. Bubba and they worked hard, they worked hard
Speaker 1: on this, and then they got the rewards because it's
Speaker 1: a great film. Let's ever listen to Keanu Reeves in
Speaker 1: a wonderful performance of Dying where he's in the kitchen
Speaker 1: after he's just chatted to Gary and revealed that well,
Speaker 1: he's been slapping the salami.
Speaker 4: He was afraid there was something wrong with him, you know,
Speaker 4: like he was a per route or something.
Speaker 1: I told him that's what little dudes do.
Speaker 9: We've all done it.
Speaker 4: That made him happy.
Speaker 7: Gary was happy.
Speaker 4: Man, he even smiled.
Speaker 10: I never even knew he had teeth.
Speaker 5: I guess the boy Gary's ads really needs a manner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, hm, hm.
Speaker 1: Depends on the man.
Speaker 2: I had a man around.
Speaker 4: He used to wake me up in the morning by
Speaker 4: flicking the cigarettes at my head. Hey, asshole, get up
Speaker 4: and make me breakfast. You know, miss buckman, you need
Speaker 4: a license to buy a dog or drive a car. Hell,
Speaker 4: you need a license to catch a fish. But don't
Speaker 4: let any but memon asshole be a father.
Speaker 1: It's that good.
Speaker 2: It's great because it's a he's playing a comedy character
Speaker 2: in this. You know, he's essentially playing Ted from Bill
Speaker 2: and Ted like a real like browe. He has that
Speaker 2: surfa kind of accent, but there's still layers to it,
Speaker 2: and he still gets to do lovely stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Oh when when he would have read that script and
Speaker 1: you know, read the first half and go okay, I
Speaker 1: think I know what this is for the ride? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but then the read the moment where about his dad
Speaker 1: looking cigarettes at him, you know, almost took me back
Speaker 1: to Judd Nelson in the Product Club.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, what about you dad? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's done in a very different way.
Speaker 1: And then he has that little week on shakes himself
Speaker 1: out of it.
Speaker 8: So what was that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So nice? That's what I mentioned. A biology teacher. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not one of the great performances. It's
Speaker 1: almost like they run out of budget.
Speaker 2: Who they get for that again, I'm trying to remember
Speaker 2: who the.
Speaker 1: I didn't write his name teacher down. It's the only
Speaker 1: performance that kind of took me out of the of
Speaker 1: the movie momentarily. He has this line where, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a hard line, probably the make
Speaker 1: work because it's supposed to be a cheesy line. But
Speaker 1: when they're coming in from the car, dying wises thanks
Speaker 1: for taking me to the carnival, and he says, you
Speaker 1: thought that was the carnival that was my parents' house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess they wanted him to be
Speaker 2: a dog, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, like it fits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It was just the only little performance that kind of
Speaker 1: took me out. This for a so true.
Speaker 2: They run out of budget.
Speaker 1: They got some poor link I think his name, yeah,
Speaker 1: Paul Link.
Speaker 2: He does fine work. But you know, that could have
Speaker 2: been That could have been God, that could have been you.
Speaker 2: You could have done that.
Speaker 1: I could I could have could have.
Speaker 2: Been you could have knocked that out of the past.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm not sure I could have gone such an
Speaker 1: IMPRESSI mustache and a ment. I would have been hanging
Speaker 1: out with dying weis, which would have That's not bad,
Speaker 1: that's good. That's a good couple of weeks. Another scene
Speaker 1: that I I I'd love. So you have the moment
Speaker 1: where Frank sits down with Larry and says, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is the plan I'm gonna I'm going to save you.
Speaker 1: Let's get the gangsters off your back. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'll take care of them. But then Monday you come
Speaker 1: to work for me, and it's like, okay, he's done that.
Speaker 1: And then and as he's leaving the table, he says
Speaker 1: to him, Okay, before we put the Frank Buckman, how
Speaker 1: about this? And he sells him on another.
Speaker 2: Hot tip from Brazil or something like South America, and
Speaker 2: no one.
Speaker 1: He's going to go the South America to follow this
Speaker 1: hot tip. He's going to leave cool behind. And it's
Speaker 1: like and and Frank just kind of nods and says, Okay,
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it could have been it could have been
Speaker 2: a big opportunity for the screenwriters to script in you know,
Speaker 2: the dad, you know, tearing his son a new one
Speaker 2: and kind of saying you need to stand up and
Speaker 2: be a father. But to make the choice to have
Speaker 2: him just accept his son's flaws and still be kind
Speaker 2: to him and let him go around and be an asshole,
Speaker 2: and but know that he's he's going to be there
Speaker 2: to take care of his grands. I think it's really lovely.
Speaker 1: One of the sometimes people do when they think of
Speaker 1: this film, if they haven't seen it for a long time,
Speaker 1: or if they haven't seen the film, they might view
Speaker 1: this as possible saccer and kind of you know, a film.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think that the accusation comes from possibly the
Speaker 1: final sequence, which is some beautiful kind of music. And
Speaker 1: as a newborn, did you did you guess who the newborn?
Speaker 1: You didn't?
Speaker 2: I liked that there was a little mystery there, Yeah,
Speaker 2: for a few seconds.
Speaker 1: And there are actually a couple of newborns that was
Speaker 1: also littlest on the idea. Yeah, and you see the
Speaker 1: family together, What do you think of that?
Speaker 2: So I it's exactly the type of scene that I
Speaker 2: would have turned my nose up at a few years ago.
Speaker 2: But I really liked how the dialogue gets taken out
Speaker 2: so we can't really hear. You know, they're all in
Speaker 2: the hospital room together, they're all celebrating the birth of
Speaker 2: this newborn baby. We can't hear what they're saying to
Speaker 2: each other. The Randy Newman score is up, and we're
Speaker 2: just watching them for I think it feels like two minutes.
Speaker 2: We're just watching a family celebrate and have little conversations.
Speaker 2: We can't hear what they're saying. And I found myself
Speaker 2: kind of moved it because I was just watching people
Speaker 2: a family engage with each other the way they normally do,
Speaker 2: and they're having little laughs and they're kind of hugging
Speaker 2: each other, and there's a nice moment where Steve Martin's
Speaker 2: character is changing the nappy of his own newborn while
Speaker 2: he's just talking to his sister about I don't even know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of nice that we're just watching
Speaker 2: them interact. It almost felt like a documentary for a moment.
Speaker 1: I mean when I saw it originally, I loved it
Speaker 1: and it gave me all the feels, and I continued
Speaker 1: to I did wonder how I was going to feel
Speaker 1: about it. Was it going to be too sugary? But
Speaker 1: I think, like I said, because they have all these
Speaker 1: moments and you are going through the trials and tribulations
Speaker 1: of a family, so and I don't think they're saying, oh,
Speaker 1: everything's good now. Yeah, this is like one perfect moment
Speaker 1: in time. Yeah. Yeah, And that's how we're finishing our film.
Speaker 1: This is there'll be something else that happens next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's a nice way to look at it.
Speaker 2: It's like a little freeze frame. You know, we can't
Speaker 2: hear them, it's just he is a nice moment where
Speaker 2: they're all happy. Yeah, and you're right, next week, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, Julie and Garry want to go back to his
Speaker 1: dad again.
Speaker 2: Kim jacking off you know Rick moranis will be an
Speaker 2: asshole of his wife again. Yeah, you're right. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think the fact that the movie has such big
Speaker 2: laughs in it earns the sugary sweetness. And that's fine.
Speaker 1: You know, I love it.
Speaker 2: Fine with it, I got. I can't stress enough. I
Speaker 2: did not think I was going to like this. I
Speaker 2: really loved it. I think anyone who's a fan of
Speaker 2: comedy should watch it. And I think if you enjoy
Speaker 2: the Judd Apatow model of film, this is like a
Speaker 2: precursor to it, and it's it's really cool to see.
Speaker 2: It's really cool to see all these comedy actors working
Speaker 2: within this tone. I think it's really nice.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where this film would lay in my
Speaker 1: favorite films word time, but I think watching it a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks now talking to you about it, I
Speaker 1: think it's skyrocketed me too, somewhere in my you know,
Speaker 1: it may be top ten, top twenty, or I.
Speaker 2: Think when people ask me what my top movies, I
Speaker 2: always stress out, But this is going to become a
Speaker 2: go to mention. I think I'm going to say top
Speaker 2: ten for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, a couple of quick fun facts before we wrap up,
Speaker 1: Steve Martin was forty four when this was shot. He
Speaker 1: plays He mentioned this thirty five something. Executives, we're worried
Speaker 1: about that. It didn't seem to No, No, I didn't
Speaker 1: notice it. I don't realize.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. He is thirty five.
Speaker 1: That's a thirty five. I mean he's always he's a
Speaker 1: great Yeah. I think it was. You know, we used
Speaker 1: to Steve Martin by then, so you know his face
Speaker 1: is pretty young. But he actually didn't become a father
Speaker 1: unto sixty seven, only like ten years ago.
Speaker 2: Unbelievably played is very believable.
Speaker 1: He is extremely believable. I think I said maybe this
Speaker 1: was in the intrad this might have been his first
Speaker 1: role as a father, of course, playing trains and automobiles.
Speaker 1: He's playing a father, but we don't. It's kind is
Speaker 1: estrange from his kids home back to Chicago. Dame Helen
Speaker 1: Mirren said of this film she never ever regretted not
Speaker 1: having kids, something that she's been very comfortable with, except
Speaker 1: when she watched this movie and for a period of
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes she sobbed, just realizing when when Jason
Speaker 1: Robard said, the idea that you you know, you worry
Speaker 1: that you know, you always you're always a parent, You're
Speaker 1: always worry. She said, she sobbed, thinking that she'd never
Speaker 1: experience that that kind of phenomenon.
Speaker 2: I thought it was very so relatable. I don't have kids,
Speaker 2: and yeah, my wife and I won't have children, I
Speaker 2: don't think. But yeah, this movie made me kind of
Speaker 2: want to go through what looks like a horrible experience.
Speaker 1: It's the roller coaster. Yeah, it is the roller coaster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really relatable.
Speaker 1: Good on your Helen and another Helen. Helen Shaw played
Speaker 1: the grandmother and this was her final film. She died
Speaker 1: eight years later, Cracked the Ton. It was one hundred
Speaker 1: when she died two when she shot this, and she
Speaker 1: passed away nineteen ninety seven. Again, it was really great,
Speaker 1: even that moment where she's smoking the you know, pretend
Speaker 1: to smoke the cigar when you know.
Speaker 2: The dad's she has a helium. Gags, he gags.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Steve Martin has daughter in this, Allison Porter, when
Speaker 1: und to play Curly Suit. But it was also his
Speaker 1: daughter in Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, Curly Sue.
Speaker 1: That's the John Hughes, Yes, John Hughes movie. Funny enough.
Speaker 1: The Great Outdoors, one of the porn that covers is
Speaker 1: a John Hugh movie as well, so they are the
Speaker 1: fun facts. This is one of the movies that I
Speaker 1: loaded up with so many clips, more than they usually have,
Speaker 1: and there were there were another five or six more
Speaker 1: that I would have loved. We haven't even spoken about
Speaker 1: the buildo. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: You know that's the only thing I knew about this movie.
Speaker 2: I remember that from when it was on television when
Speaker 2: I was a kid. I think my parents were watching it.
Speaker 2: I remember that moment. It still lands. It's still really funny.
Speaker 1: And again go to grandmother, was mate. This podcast comes
Speaker 1: with homework. I really appreciate you doing it.
Speaker 2: Oh I loved doing the homework. And I also when
Speaker 2: I watched it. I watched it twice, and then I
Speaker 2: watched This Is forty by Jade Appatow. And now I'm
Speaker 2: going to watch broadcast News when I get home. I'm
Speaker 2: in the zone for this type of movie.
Speaker 1: We did Broadcast News with Brendan caw but pretty Christmas
Speaker 1: and I hadn't seen it. I thought i'd seen it.
Speaker 1: I hadn't. You're in for a treat.
Speaker 10: It is.
Speaker 1: It's so much fun. It's so much fun. Cam. If
Speaker 1: you get a chance to go see Electric Dreams. You're
Speaker 1: touring the country, go check it out. Very funny, getting
Speaker 1: rave reviews, selling out of the Malton International Comedy Festival.
Speaker 1: So get along and see Cam wherever you get a chance. Also,
Speaker 1: congratulations on the recent commission for Finding Ye Sus.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that is so you're not finding Kanye as such,
Speaker 1: but it's related.
Speaker 2: To this is the least he told you about it?
Speaker 1: No, I actually read about it.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So it's a video game.
Speaker 2: Video game on the internet called Kanye Quest, which is
Speaker 2: a Kanye West themed video game, and the rumor or
Speaker 2: urban legend is that it was a game created by
Speaker 2: a cult as a recruitment tool for their members, and
Speaker 2: so Alexi and I are investigating whether that's true or not.
Speaker 2: We've gone pretty deep down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: And when can people see that?
Speaker 2: That will be on That'll be on YouTube on Auntie
Speaker 2: Donna's YouTube channel, which is called Grousehouse.
Speaker 1: They're doing some amazing stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be coming out, I think, you know, pro
Speaker 2: I'd imagine towards the end of the year. We're working
Speaker 2: on it at the moment, so.
Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye out for it. Cam, thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us, man.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Helln's fine.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that. Cameron James, what a delight, what
Speaker 1: a funny man, and really glad. I'm and I'm always
Speaker 1: hopeful that my guest hasn't wasted their time and watched
Speaker 1: a movie they didn't like. Path from Judith Lussey, who
Speaker 1: I kind of knew wasn't going to like Sound of Music.
Speaker 1: Well I didn't know, but I had an inkling. But
Speaker 1: she was hilarious about it and we had a lot
Speaker 1: of fun in that live broadcast. But really, because I think,
Speaker 1: like I said, Fatherhood, I think it's skyrocketed back up
Speaker 1: into my favorite films. Really enjoyed it, the fact we
Speaker 1: both watched it twice this week. If you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: some people do listen to this podcast without seeing the movies.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's spoilers all the way through. But if you
Speaker 1: are one of those people, and I really urge you
Speaker 1: to watch Parenthood it is. I think it's a beautiful
Speaker 1: piece of work, very funny. I'm a castaway Studios. Derek
Speaker 1: Meis is the man who puts all this together. Derek
Speaker 1: god A, have you seen Parenthood.
Speaker 3: Look, I sure have.
Speaker 9: Parenthood's got a bit of a funny story for me.
Speaker 9: I probably came out when I was about twenty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which a bit of a weird time. I imagined,
Speaker 1: like parent because you hear the young and you kind
Speaker 1: of like get the sillyness of it, like I was
Speaker 1: fourteen when I saw it, or you watch it when
Speaker 1: you're older, and maybe you are a parent in your twenties,
Speaker 1: you're probably out, you're doing different stuff than you connect
Speaker 1: with it at all.
Speaker 3: I don't that's the thing. You assume it's a comedy.
Speaker 3: You were saying before, how it's a drama?
Speaker 9: Did you say drama d I've never heard that word before,
Speaker 9: but that's that nails it, and we weren't used to that,
Speaker 9: so I guess you go in thinking it's a comedy.
Speaker 9: Then I actually had a bit of a cry and
Speaker 9: I watched that film and I never really looked into why.
Speaker 3: I just thought that's weird at a comedy. Must be
Speaker 3: something wrong with me.
Speaker 9: Never right, And it wasn't until last night when I
Speaker 9: watched it again, I realized, well, it's not just a
Speaker 9: comedy and I'm a weirdo.
Speaker 3: It was touching on lots of different stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I wonder what.
Speaker 3: I wonder what it was though, because it's too long ago,
Speaker 3: and I thought maybe maybe I.
Speaker 9: Saw myself as Larry Run Maybe I was worried about
Speaker 9: letting my dad down or something like who knows, yeah,
Speaker 9: weird father thing or whatever. But such a good film
Speaker 9: though across the board, so many things as a parent
Speaker 9: now it's a whole nother world of interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's timeless because I think it's a
Speaker 1: very honest look at at parenting. Obviously, it's a Hollywood film,
Speaker 1: and it's a mainstream Hollywood film, so there are things
Speaker 1: that pan out the way they do. Kevin of course
Speaker 1: was going to take that catch, but these things to
Speaker 1: have you experience those moments, and there is the rollercoaster
Speaker 1: of emotions that you go through as a parent. The
Speaker 1: constant worrying is I think what they got absolutely right,
Speaker 1: Like is Kevin, you know, is this something we need
Speaker 1: to be worried about? Or is this is something do
Speaker 1: we need to talk about? Kevin? You know? Like, I
Speaker 1: just think it really still rings true. Another really beautiful
Speaker 1: touch from Ron Howard and the writers. When he arrives,
Speaker 1: he gives that his dad Frank model car and it's
Speaker 1: the same car that he has. And then later on
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a foreshadowing going on because later
Speaker 1: on he basically try he takes that car with a
Speaker 1: view of maybe selling it to make the money. So
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, again, it's just telling us that
Speaker 1: this guy Larry, he takes more than he gives. He
Speaker 1: gives us tiny car and takes the big car. But
Speaker 1: of course people can email us at yasny podcast at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. So reach out, let us know we
Speaker 1: want to do another live broadcast. Let us know what
Speaker 1: movie you'd like us to either do live or even
Speaker 1: in the studio, or who you would like to see
Speaker 1: us reach out to to ask as far as our
Speaker 1: guests go, and hopefully we can marry those two things up,
Speaker 1: but we would love to do My brain is ticking
Speaker 1: over as to a venue and a live another live event,
Speaker 1: because it was just joyous, the one with Judith Lucy.
Speaker 1: If you haven't if you weren't there, you can listen
Speaker 1: even if you were there. It was released a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. You can find that a couple of
Speaker 1: episodes back. But also, what's this speak pipe? You keep
Speaker 1: banging on about Derek.
Speaker 9: The speak pipe is just a really easy way for
Speaker 9: people to just to open up a website and leave
Speaker 9: a little leave a little vocal message.
Speaker 3: Yep to us. So it's like sending an email, but
Speaker 3: you get to read it yourself.
Speaker 1: We would love to hear it from you.
Speaker 2: Not just.
Speaker 1: Read your thoughts, but why not put a voice to it.
Speaker 1: We would love to hear you on our speak pipe
Speaker 1: and we'll play it back and we'll answer any questions
Speaker 1: or thoughts that you have next week on the show.
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