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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by our partners at

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Speaker 1: Blossom and Workplace Law. Welcome to The Female Athlete Project

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Speaker 1: Season two. My name is Chloe Dalton. I'm an Olympic

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Speaker 1: gold medalist in rugby sevens and I'm now playing for

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Speaker 1: the GWS Giants in the AFLW. I started tfapp to

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Speaker 1: share the stories of incredible female athletes and to address

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Speaker 1: the gender inequalities that exist within the sports media space.

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Speaker 1: We want to change that story, and we're all about

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Speaker 1: making news and highlights of women's sport easily accessible across

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Speaker 1: our platforms. Our hope is that more female athletes will

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Speaker 1: become household names and in turn enable the next generation

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Speaker 1: of young kids to pick up a ball, racket, back board,

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Speaker 1: whatever they want to pick Arian Tickmas became a household

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Speaker 1: name in the space of three minutes and fifty six

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Speaker 1: seconds at the Tokyo Olympics. She beat one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest swimmers of all time, Katie Ldecki, in the four

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Speaker 1: hundred meters. I sat yelling from my couch with tears

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Speaker 1: streaming down my cheeks as she hit the wall and

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Speaker 1: made history. Just to prove it was no fluke, she

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Speaker 1: finished first and took gold in the two hundred meter

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Speaker 1: freestyle too. Her humble and balanced personality on the pool

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Speaker 1: deck is in stark contrast to the energy and passion

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Speaker 1: shown by her coach, Dean Boxel, who became a viral

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Speaker 1: hit cheering Tipmas home in the four hundred meters. This

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Speaker 1: was one of my favorite episodes to date. I found

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Speaker 1: Arnie's approach and mindset around training and competition so incredibly fascinating.

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Speaker 1: It was a real honor to have the chance to

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Speaker 1: sit down and chat with her. I hope you enjoy it,

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Speaker 1: Arion Tipmos, Welcome to the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 2: Hello, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm very, very excited to have you on for this one.

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Speaker 1: I think so many people obviously watching in Tokyo was

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Speaker 1: an incredible experience watching watching you guys swim in the

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Speaker 1: pool and the success that you achieved. So it's really

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Speaker 1: cool to have you on. Before we get into Tokyo,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us a bit about what the quarantine

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Speaker 1: experience was like coming home off such a high, Like

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Speaker 1: it was weird watching you guys get off the plane

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Speaker 1: and like land in Darwin and go to Howard Springs.

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Speaker 1: It was just a very strange thing that usually you'd

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Speaker 1: come home to the Olympic parade and all of those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for me personally, I knew I was

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Speaker 2: I like my own space, and our rooms were quite tiny,

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Speaker 2: and even with the balcony room that we had, it

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Speaker 2: I also struggled. I think it was like it was

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Speaker 2: almost a two month mark of being away, and I

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Speaker 2: was very ready to get home and see my family

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Speaker 2: and friends, and so I kind of hit a wall

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Speaker 2: halfway through. It was like we'd passed halfway, but we

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Speaker 2: still had halfway, like halfway more to go. But after

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Speaker 2: we kind of went over that day eight bump, I

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Speaker 2: think it went pretty quick. But I definitely would have

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Speaker 2: preferred to be at home, but I guess we had

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Speaker 2: the country was in lockdown, and so I guess us

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Speaker 2: going through the quarantine was the most safe display.

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Speaker 1: Did you feel like once you got out of quarantine

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Speaker 1: that experience was almost as if you were getting off

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Speaker 1: if you'd come back from Tokyo straight away?

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Speaker 2: A little bit like because I obviously hadn't seen them

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Speaker 2: kind of felt like I hadn't even done quarantine a

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Speaker 2: little bit. Okay, it's like, but it's also like I've

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Speaker 2: kind of the whole Olympics was still a blur as well,

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Speaker 2: Like after two weeks in quarantine, it felt like, wow,

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Speaker 1: To take us back to what you were like as

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Speaker 1: a little kid growing up in Tazzy, What are your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so growing up in Tazzy, I was very lucky.

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Speaker 2: then when I got to high school, swimming was getting

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Speaker 2: So that's when when I was twelve, we decided to

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Speaker 2: So but now I'm kind of like, well, this Olympics

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Speaker 2: go and ride. But that's pretty much it, really like

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Speaker 1: It is riding a horse like riding a bike, Like

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'll get back into any show jobbing

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Speaker 1: I'm interested at you're the way you described like swimming

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Speaker 2: When I was like around that age twelve thirteen, I

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Speaker 1: I guess this idea of being like a fine build

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Speaker 1: But it's actually quite difficult to put on size when

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Speaker 2: And I think, now that's one of my my assets.

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Speaker 1: Tell us a bit about your coach at the time.

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Speaker 1: Was it Peter that was coaching you down in Tazzi.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had I've actually had three swimming coaches.

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Speaker 2: to Dean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get to that, get to that

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Speaker 1: Have you always been someone who's loved that, like that

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Speaker 2: I think there's this addictive kind of thing where you

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Speaker 2: I just love that feeling of being like on the edge,

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Speaker 2: of love to see what I could do, like see

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Speaker 2: how far I could push myself. And I think Peter

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Speaker 2: really taught me how to work. That was the biggest

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Speaker 2: thing that's kind of stuck with me. I definitely wouldn't

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Speaker 2: You know, at thirteen years old, you kind of don't

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Speaker 2: definitely taught me how to train and how to push myself.

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Speaker 2: And I guess try and swim with no barriers, and

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Speaker 2: I definitely take that into my training now, Like he

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Speaker 2: of made this i don't know, like kind of tunnel

438
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Speaker 2: thing when we're seeing the national anthem. It like echoed

439
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Speaker 2: and it just sounded so cool, and I was you know,

440
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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have my first like Colm games

441
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Speaker 2: experience at home, Like I definitely will be something that

442
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Speaker 2: I'll never forget.

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473
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Speaker 1: I read around your training and the way Dean described

474
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Speaker 1: the level that you had to go to, and so

475
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: you kind of talked about twenty eighteen, and we'll touch

476
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Speaker 1: on twenty nineteen as well. But this idea that to

477
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Speaker 1: become the Olympic champion and to break world records, that

478
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: you'd have to go to some pretty dark places. Was

479
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Speaker 1: that a discussion that you guys had quite early.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it was like from Calm Games. I

481
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 2: guess we started to talk about like the real the

482
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Speaker 2: realism of like actually being able to do something really

483
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Speaker 2: special at the Olympics, and we had big discussions about,

484
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Speaker 2: you know, like are you willing to go to these lengths?

485
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Speaker 2: And I agreed to it, And on days where it

486
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: was really tough, I couldn't be like no, like stop,

487
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Speaker 2: like push pushback be a bit easier because I had

488
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Speaker 2: agreed to it.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

490
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Speaker 2: So so nothing he ever did was like not did.

491
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Speaker 2: But nothing he ever like pushed me in or said

492
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Speaker 2: to me was ever something that I had not proved.

493
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Speaker 2: And it was down to the hardest parts where you'd

494
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Speaker 2: finish a session and everyone would be done, and he'd

495
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Speaker 2: look at me and give me ten seconds and go, okay,

496
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: off you go. You've got another effort. And I come

497
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Speaker 2: in and go, okay, you got five seconds another effort.

498
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Speaker 2: And some days we'd go like eight rounds and everyone's

499
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Speaker 2: done and I'm still in the pool doing these extra efforts.

500
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Speaker 2: And I guess, looking back on that, now, that's just

501
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: why I have achieved this. So it's tough in the

502
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Speaker 2: time at the time, but when you look back on it,

503
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Speaker 2: I'm very grateful that I went to those lengths.

504
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Speaker 1: Well, when you're doing those extra reps with like minimal

505
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Speaker 1: rest time and that level of fatigue and lactic and

506
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Speaker 1: like heaviness in your body would be so high, what

507
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: goes through your head in those efforts.

508
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Speaker 2: I don't even know. It's very blank. I just think about, like,

509
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: oh my God, make this one fast enough that I

510
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: can stop, okay, because he'd set like he'd set like time,

511
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: you know, times that I had to hit and if

512
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Speaker 2: I didn't hit it, then I'd have to go again. Obviously,

513
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 2: as you're repeating more and more and more, it gets harder.

514
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: So I just say on everyone, just think of it

515
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: as last one, yeah, so that you can kind of stop.

516
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: But some days like he definitely broke me, Like, there'd

517
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 2: be a few times where I would be crying the session.

518
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: It just hurt a lot. But that's just what you've

519
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: got to go through, I guess, to be the best.

520
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Speaker 1: Was there ever any element where because your family had

521
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: relocated and you'd all moved your lives up there, did

522
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Speaker 1: you ever feel any added sense of pressure with that?

523
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Speaker 2: No? Not really. My family is amazing. I never felt

524
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Speaker 2: any pressure to swim from them. I've never felt pressure

525
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Speaker 2: to perform. I guess I've just been like a really

526
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: good backbone for me and have just allowed me to

527
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Speaker 2: do what I want to do. And if I said

528
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Speaker 2: to them today they wanted to retire, I think they

529
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Speaker 2: would support me. So I've never ever felt that expectation

530
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Speaker 2: from them to perform. I'm just very grateful that I

531
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Speaker 2: have the family that I have that you know, don't

532
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Speaker 2: really feel a sense that I need to repay them

533
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: as such, but for them as well, like the move

534
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: to Brisbane was a good thing for our whole family,

535
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Speaker 2: Like we've made such great friends up here. I feel

536
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 2: like our lifestyle is better, and so I think they're

537
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: just happy that they got to make the move as well.

538
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: You touched earlier about this twenty nineteen World Champs, we

539
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: upset the great Katie Ladecki in the four hundred free,

540
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: and that was a pretty big moment where the media

541
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of then blew up this big rivalry between the

542
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: two of you in the lead up to Tokyo. Was

543
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: there ever a part of you that almost wished that

544
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: that hadn't happened? So you could have flown under the radar.

545
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 2: A little bit, a little bit, but I still think that,

546
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: you know, twenty nineteen Worlds, I was very lucky to

547
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: win that race. You know, Katie says that she wasn't well,

548
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: and so I still believe that I was well and

549
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: truly the underdog because I felt like I don't one

550
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: when my main rove wasn't at her best. I still

551
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: knew that if she was at her best, which I

552
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: thought she would be at the Olympics, that I would

553
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: have to be better than that to win. So I

554
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: still completely thought that I was the underdog, and I

555
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: think the media kind of did as well. Katie was

556
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: still definitely I feel like the favorite going into the meat.

557
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: But this rivalry, I guess it was very built up,

558
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: and I'm pretty good. I think it like dissolving pressure

559
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: and eating it all up and using it. I don't

560
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: really look into what the media says too much, and

561
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: if anything, I guess the little bits I do see,

562
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: I just use it to my advantage. But yeah, I

563
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: think it's a good story. It's a good rivalry, and

564
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: it's funny though, because they built it up to be

565
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: this massive, like you know, war, but Katie and friendly

566
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: and we get along. You know, we're just competitors and

567
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: fierce races when we're in the pool. But outside of

568
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: the pool, I don't even look at her as a competitor,

569
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: you know, I just see her as a person.

570
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: Think if Tokyo hadn't been postponed, you would have beat

571
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: her in twenty twenty.

572
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think my chances would have

573
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: been as good. I mean it maybe, but I definitely

574
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: I think I used the extra year to the best

575
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: of my the best that I could. I tried to

576
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: use it to fix up things that I probably couldn't

577
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: have quite got, like right for twenty twenty Olympics. But then,

578
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: like with the extra year, I like hit a wall

579
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: when I got my shoulder injury in December and then

580
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: I was out until like March, and then I thought,

581
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: oh my god, this whole extra year is like not

582
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: worth it. I've ruined it. But then I guess I

583
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: turned it all around and really just put my skates

584
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: on when I got back in the water, and guess

585
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: it all worked out.

586
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: Can you talk us through that shoulder injury? How did

587
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: it happen and what was the management like for it.

588
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was racing at Queensland States in the

589
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: middle of December last year and it was actually relay

590
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: day and I dove in for my leg at the

591
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: relay and I just felt this like twinge, I guess

592
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: in my shoulder and I couldn't put any pressure on

593
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: my stroke and we went and got scans and I

594
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: I had done something to my subscap tendon. I'm quite serious.

595
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: So we pretty much rested straight away, and then after

596
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: I just had two weeks of pretty much just like

597
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: not much of anything. And then once we figured out

598
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: like how bad it was, and I you know, worked

599
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: with my strength approach and my physio as much as

600
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: I could and set a plan I guess, to try

601
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: and get back in the water as quick as we could,

602
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: but not rushing it, like we wanted to make sure

603
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: that it was ready to go. So I guess I

604
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: started swimming like slowly from the middle of January for

605
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: like maybe five hundred meters at a time. But I

606
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: was doing around that like lots of kick, lots of gym,

607
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: lots of cardio outside the water. But it wasn't until

608
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: the middle of March where I got back in and

609
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: did like my first proper full session, So it was

610
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: a long time where I couldn't really get in much

611
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: work that I needed because as an eight hundred or

612
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: four hundred Summart you need to get that kind of

613
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: like preseason work into you, and all that kind of

614
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: preseason stuff is like my bread and butter. So to

615
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: have to watch my squad do that and be on

616
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: the sidelines and then or just be trying to do

617
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: it the same as them, but kicking was like really

618
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: really challenging for me. But I guess once I was

619
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 2: able to swim again properly, I kind of just really

620
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: tried to make up as much ground as I could

621
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: and just went for it, I guess. And I think

622
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: that that was another like, you know, don't take anything

623
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: for granted moment, Like firstly having the Olympics postponed and

624
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: then not being able to swim, it just made like

625
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: the Olympics so much more important to me because I'd

626
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: nearly had it like kind of wiped again. So I

627
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: definitely didn't believe in myself like a bigin at beginning

628
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 2: of beer, I was just like, well, hopefully you're good

629
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: enough to get on the team, Like I really did

630
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: not think that I would get back to the level

631
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: that I needed to be to win. So I guess

632
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: it just all came together on the end.

633
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: I found with injury, I've had a really similar experience

634
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: where you're watching the worst part is watching your teammates.

635
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: It's like you have this visual of what you're missing

636
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: out on, and in your head it's like, if I

637
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: was doing that, i'd be improving at this rate, and

638
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: now I'm almost like stagnant or going backwards. But I

639
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: think there's also this Obviously it depends on how motivated

640
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: you are when you get back to training, but I

641
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: think I'm often surprised by the muscle memory and that

642
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: it comes back if you put in the work. It

643
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: actually comes back quicker than what you think when you're

644
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: sitting on the sidelines watching.

645
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're mentally really just in tune and

646
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: completely focused, it like also really helps. I think mentally,

647
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: the being on the sidelines thing affected me way more

648
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: than like what the injury was physically. I think I

649
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: was just a bit scarred from not being able to

650
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: improve myself when everyone else was, So I think I

651
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: was just like, I'm so ready to get going. When

652
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: I was able to go again Tokyo.

653
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: Very different experience in twenty twenty one with the pandemic.

654
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: Getting off the plane, arriving in the village. Was it

655
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: what you had expected it to feel like when you

656
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: got to your first Olympic village.

657
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: I think the village definitely was. I definitely felt like

658
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: I was in an Olympic village. There were so many

659
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: people around. Yeah, it felt like an Olympics, but it

660
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: definitely wasn't like the Olympics that I had dreamed it

661
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: to be when I was younger. You know, it was

662
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: very difficult with all the protocols at the meet, especially

663
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: having no crowds, Like we still had quite a pretty

664
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: good atmosphere with the athletes watching in the stands that

665
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: weren't competing in that particular final session. But this was

666
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: the biggest me arena I'd ever walked into, and I

667
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: imagine what it would be like full and it would

668
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: just be like unreal, And so for us not to

669
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: experience that, I think that was the one of the

670
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: biggest disappointments. But and then also having to leave like

671
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: a day after we finished, you know, as a swim team,

672
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: because we're finished off at the first week, you know,

673
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: ever we kind of get our Olympic experience in the

674
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: second week when we get to go and watch other

675
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: sports and you know, have fun and enjoy the Olympics

676
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: for what it is. And so for me, especially because

677
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: I was so busy, I didn't really know what was

678
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: going on around me while I was competing. Once I

679
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: was finished, I was kind of like forced out of there.

680
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: I felt like I didn't really get like the full

681
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: Olympic experience. It just kind of felt like another major

682
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: swim meet, but it was the Olympics and I was there.

683
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: But I mean, at least, I mean, I've been to

684
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: one now and I can kind of know what to expect.

685
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: But I feel like going into Paris, hope COVID's not

686
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: such a big issue and we do get that full

687
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: Olympic experience.

688
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: The morning of the four hundred meter final, waking up,

689
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: do you remember the first thought that came into your

690
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: head when you like, do you remember what you're thinking

691
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: when you woke up in bed that morning?

692
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: Don't forget to do a spit test. We had to

693
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: do like COVID spit tests every morning, So I was like,

694
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: don't forget, And.

695
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: Then I got up pretty early because it was like

696
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 3: maybe like eleven o'clock race or something or ten thirty,

697
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: and I wanted to make sure that my body was

698
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: like moving, and so I think in the morning, it's

699
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: harder to race fast because you're it's a bit harder

700
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 3: to get going in the morning.

701
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: So I know I had to wake up earlier. I

702
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: think I woke up on like six. I was like

703
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: I had to be quiet in the room because the

704
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: other girls weren't awake. But I was like in my

705
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: room with the door shut, like jumping and doing star jumps. Oh,

706
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: so getting myself going, yeah, because like you couldn't really

707
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: go out and go for a walk around. So I

708
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: was just trying to get myself moving in the room.

709
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: And I was so relaxed, Like it was the most

710
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: relaxed I'd been for a major final like ever, and

711
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: it was the biggest final of my career, and I

712
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: was just very calm. And I still look back on

713
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: that and think, like how I think because I just

714
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: had at that point complete belief in myself and I

715
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: wasn't really scared or worried about the outcome. I just

716
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: wanted to go out there and do my race. So

717
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: I guess that was a feeling, and then once I

718
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: got onto the bus and went over there to warm

719
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: up and everything, I was just I remember, I was

720
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 2: just completely focused, like nothing would distract me. And yeah,

721
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: that's really all I remember. Really, it's all quite a blur.

722
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I loved what you said before about eating up pressure.

723
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: What is it that you think enables you to deal

724
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: with that level of pressure going in with pretty much

725
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: the weight of a nation on your shoulders A swimmer

726
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: is typically going into the Olympics, particularly when trials go

727
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: really well, it's this four year cycle where suddenly the

728
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: whole country's like, oh, the swimmers are going to win

729
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: gold medals, let's put all this pressure on them, talk

730
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: about them in the media, like, how did you deal

731
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: with that?

732
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I'm just quite like I can be

733
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: a very extroverted person, but then also in some parts

734
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: of my life I'm very introverted, and I think this

735
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: is an area where I'm very good at kind of

736
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: just channeling mine own pressure and myself and blocking everything

737
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: out and just keeping all my thoughts inside my head

738
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: and just not really no, not really paying attention. I

739
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: think it is something I'm born with and kind of

740
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: like my makeup. I'm just able to really focus on

741
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: what I have to do and not let anyone else

742
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: and what they say distract me. It can be very

743
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: easy to become undone mentally. I think when you get

744
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: to a meet like this, you know a lot of

745
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: people have trained the house and physically going into the

746
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: meat should win. But it's once you get to the Olympics.

747
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: For me, it was all mental, Like I knew that

748
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: nothing I was going to do in the pool was

749
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: going to change how I was going to race, Like

750
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: in terms of what my body could do, it was

751
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: how my mind was. And you know, whether your mind

752
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: had the capability to push you and had the right

753
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: focus and wasn't distracted. And also with the emotional side

754
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: of things, like you can get very drained and tired

755
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: from you know, looking into things too much. So I

756
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: think mentally the biggest thing was just trying to stay

757
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: relaxed and come and I think that's something that I'm

758
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: quite good at and it definitely worked in my in

759
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: my favor.

760
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: Yes, it did. So walking out onto the pool deck

761
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: for that race, do you have something that you're like,

762
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: do you have a mantra or is it about your

763
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: race plan? Like what's yourself talk like at that point?

764
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 2: At that point, I'm not really thinking about anything. All

765
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: this is really funny, but a lot of people think that,

766
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: like at that point, you're like really like thinking what

767
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: you have to do in the zone. But I'm honestly

768
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: just thinking about, oh my god, make sure my god

769
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: was don't come off like pushing them in. Yeah, Like

770
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: I'm bit of a nerd, like yeah, so, or I'm

771
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: stressing about getting my clothes off in time, like this

772
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: is what I'm thinking about at that point. And then

773
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: but once, but once I'm behind the block and like

774
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 2: I've I splashed myself with water so my suit sticks.

775
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: Once I'm like just behind the block waiting pretty much.

776
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: I can just feel my heart beat in my chest

777
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: and as soon as I hit the water, it's just

778
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: like a switch flicks and I just know exactly what

779
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: to do.

780
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: Really, I've heard that you're a big Rafael and Nadal fan.

781
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

782
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: I actually got in Rio. I actually got to meet

783
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: him in the in the dining He didn't love me

784
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: going up to take a photo with him, but I

785
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: got a selfie. My my thumb was like half covering

786
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: the photo and I like dropped my dinner on the floor.

787
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: But I was like, I got a photo with the

788
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: Raffa stoked, But I'm interested to know. Are you like

789
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: RAFA level OCD with your preparation before a race?

790
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: No, no, not really. I mean I have it like

791
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: two superstitions. Really. I splashed myself on the left hand

792
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: side of the block with my left arm five times.

793
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: That's a bit rap A level.

794
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then once I'm on the block, I like

795
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: twinkle my fingers like just I've always done it since

796
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: I was little, so that's pretty much the only thing

797
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: I do. I mean, I'm very OCD in my napping

798
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: when I'm training. I have to be asleep from eleven

799
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: to one every day. Like the media lady knows, never

800
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: to book anything for me in that time. I would

801
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: not change my nap time. If I have something on

802
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: like in my nap time, I say I can't do it,

803
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: Like my nap is like my my thing, and I

804
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: just know that if I get that in, then you

805
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: know I can. I guess I just I don't know

806
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: if it's a mental thing now, but I just know

807
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: that I can just train better knowing that I've rested

808
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: at that time. I guess that's a bit of an

809
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: OCD thing. I mean, I eat the same breakfast and

810
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: lunch when I'm training every day at the same time

811
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: as well.

812
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: The more you talk, the more it's sounding a bit

813
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: like raph up.

814
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in terms of like Rafa has said this though,

815
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: like in terms of his like sport, he's very particular,

816
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: but then in his like life outside of tennis, he's

817
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: very chaotic, right, And I'm definitely the same, Like my

818
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: room is a bomb all the time, like so messy. Okay,

819
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: I'm very like lazy and blase in all the other

820
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: areas of my life where assuming I'm I guess it's

821
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: quite regimented.

822
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. Talk us through the first three

823
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: hundred meters of that.

824
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: Race, well, I guess I had a plan to go

825
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: out hard and hold on. But when I saw Katie

826
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: and the first hundred be quite, you know, strong and fast,

827
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: I thought, well, she's on here, and I knew that

828
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: I had to have a great back end to be

829
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 2: able to beat her. So I think I subconsciously held

830
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: back a little bit, so I saved a bit for

831
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: the end, which wasn't the plan. But when you go

832
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: into a race, you don't know what's going to happen,

833
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: And I think you have to tweak things depending on that.

834
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: So I still on out hard, but I just held

835
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 2: off a little bit. And then at the two hundred turn,

836
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: I knew I was bodylenk behind, but I didn't think

837
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: that I wasn't within reach, like I always thought that

838
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: I could pull it back. And at the at the

839
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: two hundred, I when I pushed off for the fifth lap,

840
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: I was like, right, like, you have to really put

841
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: your foot down now. And then that third one hundred,

842
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: I guess was where I made my move. Yeah, and

843
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: then the last one hundred I just pretty much gave

844
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 2: it everything. On the seventh fifty, I was going about

845
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: ninety percent effort, and then the last fifty I just smashed.

846
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: I just tried to like get every sceric out of myself,

847
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: and I couldn't see her, so I didn't know where

848
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: I was.

849
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I wanted to ask that you would point to

850
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: to ahead on the turn at the last fifty, So

851
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: did you know where she was?

852
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: I knew that we were like quite even because I

853
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: was breathing towards her on the seven fifty. So with

854
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 2: the last turn, I knew that we were quite even,

855
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: but I knew that she has an incredible last fifty,

856
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: so I knew that I had to be better. So

857
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: I just I think the adrenaline really kicked in. I

858
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: think on the at the three hundred mIRC, I kind

859
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: of got a taste of victory, like being even, and

860
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: I think that just kind of had this like spike

861
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: of adrenaline through me, and I really didn't feel like

862
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: I was dying on the last fifty. Usually the end

863
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: of a four hundred, you stop and you're like, oh

864
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: my god, I'm like done, But it was that feeling.

865
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: But it was also like this kind of like adrenaline

866
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: rush that kind of got me over the line. I

867
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: think I just really I felt like I had jets

868
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: out the back and I was just kind of like

869
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: going for it. And I never ever ever thought that

870
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: I would even split a four hundred, like to have

871
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: the two hundreds even. Usually there's about a two second difference.

872
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: But I never ever thought that I'd be able to

873
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 2: come home like that.

874
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: I want to play an audio clip for you from

875
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: the last fifty.

876
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: She's in front, Annie Timmas.

877
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: It's in front.

878
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 4: To become a legend, you have to beat a legend.

879
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 4: And that time we've said Australia win gold, Ariyan Timmas confirmation,

880
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 4: a coronation, we could start the celebration for Australia.

881
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: What was that feeling like when you touch the wall.

882
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know that I'd won and I touched

883
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: them and I turned around. It was the biggest emotion

884
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: was relief really because you set out to do a

885
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: plan for all these years and you kind of like

886
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: plant to every kind of little detail and I knew

887
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: I could do it, but it's just about doing it

888
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: on the day. And then to finally be in Tokyo

889
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: at the Olympics with everything that's happened with COVID and

890
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: finally to be able there and be able to be

891
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 2: there in race and pull it off. Yeah, the biggest

892
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: thing was definitely relief, but it was also like a

893
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: sense of like it was just very overwhelming because I

894
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: didn't really know what I had achieved yet, Like I

895
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: still hasn't really sunk in, Like I don't think it

896
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: well for a long time.

897
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: You know.

898
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: Becoming Olympic champion is like the pinnacle, Like as Dean

899
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: said to me, you can't go and do like Earth

900
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: Verst Mars, like it's like this is like it. So

901
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: it's very very overwhelming feeling.

902
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: I'm so interested by this feeling of relief because I

903
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: had the same thing in Rio and people talk to

904
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: you like people often ask that question, like what does

905
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: it feel like when you win a gold medal? And

906
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: my first feeling was relief, and I was really surprised

907
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: by that. There was part of me that almost I

908
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: didn't feel disappointed in it, but there was part of

909
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: me that wanted to feel like happy, in joy and

910
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: all these other emotions. But it was weird that it

911
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: was relief. Were you surprised by that?

912
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I knew that I would. I

913
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: thought i'd probably be a bit more like yeah, like

914
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: that joyful kind of feeling. But I also tried to

915
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: hold that inside because that was the first race of

916
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: the meat and I still had like seven days to go,

917
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: so I had to kind of hold that bit in.

918
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: So it was kind of like for me, like okay,

919
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: like feel like one down, like move on to the

920
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: next one. So I think that's why I guess that

921
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: emotion was like kind of stood out for me.

922
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Was there a part of you where you just wanted

923
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: to like sit and enjoy what you had just done

924
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: rather than like get ready to go for the two

925
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: hundred heats later that night.

926
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: A little bit. But then I was also like, you

927
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: can't ruin your whole meat, like you've done one race,

928
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: like you've still got three to go. So I wanted

929
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: to experience that again. So then after the two hundred,

930
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: when I had nothing that afternoon, I definitely kind of

931
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: like let it out a little bit, Like once you

932
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: kind of let your mind relax that baby bit, like

933
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: all the emotions starts to come out, it's like a floodgate.

934
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 2: And yeah, I felt quite emotional after the two hundred.

935
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was it like chatting to your family after

936
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: after both the four and the two whether over FaceTime

937
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: back home? What was that like for you getting to

938
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 1: share that moment with them.

939
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: Well, that was so much more excited than I was, Like,

940
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: oh my god. It was like tell me, tell me this,

941
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 2: tell me that. And I was just like chill, like chill,

942
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 2: like I've got to stay really relaxed, and I didn't

943
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: really want to, like it sounds really bad, but I

944
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: try not to talk to them about it because it

945
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: makes me like relive the moment and I'm trying to

946
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: just like move on, like think about the next race.

947
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: So it was just more about like I was talking

948
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: to them about what fun they were having up in

949
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: noosea really and trying to like distract myself from what

950
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: I'd just done. So it's just good, really just to

951
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: have like a normal chat with them and not really

952
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: talk about like the race. Like of course they wanted

953
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 2: to hear about how I felt, but it was also

954
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 2: good just to see them.

955
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: I love this quote. I want to read this to

956
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: you about his celebration that went very viral. We shared

957
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: it on our Instagram. We made a real of it.

958
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: I think it almost had a million views, Like people

959
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: all around the world were loving it. But he said,

960
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: I can't help it. I bleed with my athletes when

961
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: they leave the pool deck with me, whether I'm having

962
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: a chat with them for an hour if it has

963
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: to be, but when they leave, they have to start

964
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: the recovery process and go home, they switch off. I

965
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: don't I go home and dream for them. I go

966
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: home and try and find a way for them to

967
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: get better. I almost feel emotional reading that, like that

968
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: level of investment that he has in you, and obviously

969
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: the other athletes that he trains. There was like some

970
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: pretty special moments. I think it was after the two

971
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: hundred where it seemed like you let a bit of

972
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: emotion out when you were hugging him at one point.

973
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Dean, and I know that I work hard,

974
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: but he's kind of like he writes it all and

975
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: he's got to be the one to think about how

976
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to get better. And he's told me, you know,

977
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 2: he sometimes wakes up in the middle of the night

978
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: like he's having a nightmare, and he just wakes up gasping,

979
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 2: but it's him thinking about how he's going to get

980
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: me to win, And like, I don't wake up with

981
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: those dreams, like I had dreamed about winning in my

982
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: dream sleeping, but I don't like wake up like as

983
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: a nightmare, like worrying about how I'm gonna win. So

984
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 2: it's like he was constantly thinking about it. Like I

985
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 2: could at least go home and kind of like switch

986
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: off in my house and just try and recover and relax,

987
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: whereas he would have been his personality type has become

988
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: obsessive with things and to like just constantly be thinking

989
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: about I guess the task at hand and mentally for him,

990
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: like it was such a big job and he's definitely

991
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: having a massive break now because he wouldn't be able

992
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: to go again at that level, I don't think, because

993
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: he absolutely just put everything into this campaign and yeah,

994
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 2: one hundred percent couldn't have done it without him.

995
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really special. Every episode on the show, I

996
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: have a question from a six year old and from

997
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: my grandma. So I might start with the question from

998
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: six year old freeda.

999
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 5: Hi irie on thank you for making us happy in lockdown?

1000
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 5: And could you hear us cheering all the way from

1001
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 5: Tokyo because our house was so loud.

1002
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: Oh that's so cute. Well, I couldn't hear, but I

1003
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 2: definitely felt everyone back home, Like after I wasn't on

1004
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: social media, but after I re downloaded it and I

1005
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: kind of my phone like exploded, I definitely decided to

1006
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 2: feel how big this Olympics was for everyone back home,

1007
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: because you know, a lot of people were in lockdown.

1008
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: I think it was kind of like the one thing

1009
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 2: that could lift the spirits of everyone. So I think

1010
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: a lot more people kind of like bought into the

1011
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: whole Olympic Games and loved it for what it is.

1012
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: I guess, and so I felt very like overwhelmed with

1013
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: the amount of messages and thought that I had. But

1014
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: it's really nice, you know that a lot of people

1015
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: were like really getting around the athletes and you know,

1016
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: kind of understanding what we've had to go through as

1017
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: well to get to the Olympics.

1018
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: As a reality sunk in that when you're a kid,

1019
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: you watch Steph Rice in Beijing and you wanted to

1020
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: become that, and you've now become that for the next

1021
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: generation of young kids like Frida who got to watch

1022
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: you on TV.

1023
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty crazy, I think, not really. I just

1024
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: try to be like the best version of me, I guess,

1025
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 2: to like sat an example for younger girls and younger swimmers,

1026
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: and I feel like that's kind of like my role

1027
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: now as well, like not just to be a professional athlete,

1028
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 2: but to be like a good role model for them.

1029
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 2: So I'm just kind of taking all my stride really.

1030
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that question from my grandma.

1031
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 6: Hi Aria. I've got happy memories of walking down to

1032
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 6: our local pool with my mum and dad when I

1033
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 6: was growing up in England. When you're older, what do

1034
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 6: you think your favorite memories of swimming will be That's.

1035
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: A good question. Aside from like obviously all the medals

1036
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: and going overseas and traveling the world and all the

1037
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: fun experiences, I think the biggest thing will be like

1038
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 2: the friendships that I've made, Like you get to meet

1039
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: so many wonderful people through your sport, and not just

1040
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: from your country but from overseas. And I think I've

1041
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: definitely got friends for life already just from like my

1042
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: swimming careers so far, and I think that's the most

1043
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: special thing that you can take away from your sport.

1044
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: I think looking forward to Paris and over the next

1045
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: couple of years, there's a pretty decent schedule for swimming

1046
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: with World Champs, Calm Games. After this break, do pretty

1047
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: much get straight back into it and keep going all

1048
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: over again?

1049
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 2: Yep? Pretty much. I mean I'll go back and like

1050
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: kind of like slowly build in because I'm going to

1051
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: feel absolutely terrible when I get back for the first session,

1052
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: but yeah, slowly build up. And then next year, yeah,

1053
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 2: we've got World and Calm, so I want to be

1054
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: ready for that. But I want to be at my

1055
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: peak for Paris, So I guess the next three years

1056
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 2: will be building towards that meet.

1057
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, every time I do. Three. Would you rather questions

1058
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: to finish off? Number one? Would you rather your goggles

1059
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: fall off in the four hundred meter final or you

1060
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: find a snake in your swimming bag pre race?

1061
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: The snake. I'm so scared of snakes and all that

1062
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: type of thing, but I am literally petrified of my

1063
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: goggles coming off. I think I would stop in the

1064
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: race to put them back on, really because I like

1065
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: stroke count, but once you can't see, it just makes

1066
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: everything else just like fly out the window. Like mentally,

1067
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: I would just stress out so much. So I think

1068
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: I prefer to see the snake.

1069
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: That's a big call if you're petrified of snakes.

1070
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1071
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: Number two? Would you rather see Dean on Dancing with

1072
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: the Stars or in a video with the Inspired Unemployed?

1073
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 2: Both so funny? Probably dancing. Probably Dancing with the Stars

1074
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: because it'd be hopefully you'd be like a weekly thing.

1075
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: Okay, recurring theme. Okay, yeah, I like that. Would you

1076
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: rather win gold in the eight hundred meters in Paris

1077
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: or have a long candle at dinner with Shawn Mendez?

1078
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is tough. I mean this is tough. Okay,

1079
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to be like ungrateful here, but like,

1080
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: at least I have one Olympic gold medal now, like hm,

1081
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: Shawn Mendes would be like a one opportunity in your lifetime.

1082
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 2: But I mean my poor boyfriend, like like.

1083
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: Poor Sean Mendes can be your whole pass. Let's say

1084
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 1: your boyfriend says, Shaan Mendez can be the whole pass.

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Speaker 2: I think I'd have to take the Shawn Menders. It

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Speaker 2: sounds really bad, but that's big, Like, you know, I

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Speaker 2: when would I ever get to meet Shawn Mendez again?

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Speaker 2: Like never? Maybe I'll go for the Maybe I could

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Speaker 2: go for the goal in the eight hundred in La.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great, skip Paris dinner? Is Sean gold La done?

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Speaker 1: That's your plan? Sort of?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I probably sound so terrible.

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Speaker 1: Nah, I like that. Where can people find you on Instagram?

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Speaker 2: You can find me at Arian Tipmas, Underscore and I

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Speaker 2: really don't have any other social medias, so Instagram is it?

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Speaker 1: Love it? Thank you so much for your time today,

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Speaker 1: for coming on and having a chat. I was, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: watching you in Tokyo was such an emotional experience. I

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Speaker 1: think I was hoping to go over and compete in rugby,

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Speaker 1: but I got injured beforehand, so there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of emotions surrounding it, but there was this real element

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Speaker 1: of watching you in the pool and watching you succeed.

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Speaker 1: I guess empathizing with that feeling of how much effort

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Speaker 1: you'd put in to get to that point, and it

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Speaker 1: was just so incredible to see you get the success

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Speaker 1: that you deserved and the way that the entire country

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Speaker 1: rallied behind you. I think your humility is amazing and

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Speaker 1: the things that you've already learned at such a young age.

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Speaker 1: You're going to have such a huge impact on generations

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Speaker 1: to come, which is really really cool. So thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. This is fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're enjoy Thanks so much for listening. If

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Speaker 1: you got something out of this episode, I would absolutely

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Speaker 1: person who you think might enjoy it. Otherwise, subscribe, give

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Speaker 1: us a review, and make sure you follow us on

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