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Speaker 1: the Northern Territories Police Commissioner Michael Murphy. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 1: Police Commissioner. Good morning Katie, thanks so much for your time. Now, firstly, Commissioner,

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Speaker 2: Nothing, It'll be business as usual. We will continue to

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Speaker 2: any adminisative order changes, but it doesn't affect our business.

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Speaker 2: Will continue to do the work. You know, we do

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Speaker 2: have a strategic plan now that will change into the

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Speaker 2: change our posture, will continue to do the good work

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Speaker 1: Now, what do you mean in terms of changing strategic

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Speaker 2: So we've got a current one which is twenty thirty.

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Speaker 2: incredibly important. They've worked incredibly hard and it does take

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Speaker 2: So focusing that, making that a real priority, investing in

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Speaker 2: The restructure of the police force with two additional portfolios

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Speaker 2: So we're have a few priority areas. So the domestic

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Speaker 1: Commissioner, you know it has been like when you look

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Speaker 2: And is it through the criminal justice system? Noting that

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I totally understand what you're saying, and

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Speaker 2: That's not my decision, Katie. That's the decision for the

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Speaker 1: Now, I have been sent some vision as well from

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Speaker 1: Darren Clark has a huge amount of vision from the weekend.

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Speaker 1: By the look of it, a group of about forty

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Speaker 2: Really really well. I've been in other springs for since

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Speaker 1: I mean, some of them look like kids, though some

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Speaker 2: That's right. What I can emphasize is our response is strong.

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Speaker 2: What we're also saying is a massive efficiency for our

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Speaker 2: We try a responsible adult first, or a safe place.

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Speaker 2: If that doesn't exist, case to the Territory Family safe Place,

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to ask about those changes to

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Speaker 3: Are we just tinkering around the edges here? Though?

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Speaker 2: We see that in the field they cause considerable harm

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Speaker 2: So if people are leaving how they go and drink

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Speaker 2: where the proactive stuff is. Through the Territory Safety Coordination

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Speaker 2: Keeping in mind, like I asked for a lot, it's

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Speaker 1: Well, and I guess and when we look at the

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Speaker 2: Of it, most of a of a lot of the

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much work Minister Warden did when

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Speaker 1: I know you are, I know your press for time,

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Speaker 1: as are we this morning. I've just got a couple

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Speaker 1: There's glass, there's things all smashed up around the place.

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Speaker 1: People out there drinking in that spot. It's not a

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Speaker 3: And and it just sort of continues to happen.

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Speaker 2: officer can add them to a BDO which gets them

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Speaker 2: on the BDR to seven days. If there's a second occurrence,

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Speaker 2: automating some of those processes for us, and we're trying

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Speaker 2: so it's easier for the police force to add people

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Speaker 2: to limit the access to alcohol. We make cause from it.

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Speaker 1: Commissioner I am told that that serve Pro system at

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Speaker 1: the moment, it is quite an arduous sort of situation

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Speaker 3: Is that going to get a bit better?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? So. Last thing I need is a cop tied

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Speaker 2: officers doing the data entry. I just can't afford, Like,

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Speaker 2: if an officer goes out and deals with ten people

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Speaker 2: not acceptable. We need to be doing out the police

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Speaker 2: to support that operation. So we're not doing data entry

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Speaker 2: until it's all mated, probably you know, early to be

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Speaker 2: next year.

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Speaker 1: Well, Police Commissioner, it has been a massive year, you

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Speaker 1: know for you, I know you've been acting.

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Speaker 3: In the role, you know, in that role permanently.

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Speaker 1: It's been such a massive year when you look at

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Speaker 1: And I know it is definitely not just the job

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely across the board. But for you and

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Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things is we have new ideas,

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Speaker 2: this together, and how we make a difference collectively, our workforce.

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Speaker 2: It has been a huge year and we will work

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Speaker 2: real collegiate partnership across government and NGOs to make a

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Speaker 2: protect territory. And so we've got a few challenges ahead.

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Speaker 2: Were up for it, and I look forward to an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're all hoping exactly the same thing.

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Speaker 1: And Commissioner, any message for territorians over that Christmas break, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look all the best for twenty twenty four. It's been

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Speaker 2: Be safe, enjoy time with your family and if you're traveling,

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Speaker 2: take care on the roads. We've already got an unacceptably

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Speaker 2: you see, don't speed, don't drink and drive all those

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Speaker 2: the time with family, and I look forward to our

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Speaker 2: prosperous twenty.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four Well, Northern Territory Police Commissioner Michael Murphy, we

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time this morning. I know it's been

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Speaker 1: an extensive chat. We appreciate you speaking to us and

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Speaker 1: all the very best.

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Speaker 3: I've the Christmas break.

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Speaker 1: Hope you have a lovely Christmas with your family, and

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Speaker 1: I hope that all of our Northern Territory Police Force

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Speaker 1: hopefully things do get a bit calmer. And I really

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Speaker 1: you know, we thank our whole Northern Territory Police Force

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Speaker 1: for all of the very hard work that they do.

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Speaker 2: And don't forget the fire eas yeah services and coming

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Speaker 2: Jasper's not coming towards us, so we'll have a bit

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Speaker 2: of respite there. But the try service works incredibly hard,

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Speaker 2: so and I appreciate your sentiment and thank you, thanks

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Speaker 3: Much for your time this morning.