1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Happy Families Podcast. It's another Friday. 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: It's been a big week. I've been in regional New 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: South Wales all week, Narrow Mind, Can Doblin, Parks, Forbes, 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: the whole lot, and finally we get to sit down 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: and talk about all the parenting that I haven't done 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: and that Kylie has done this week so that we 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: can learn how to be better parents. I have actually 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: got a couple of really really big stories to share though, 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: about how we can get things right when things are 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: emotionally charged at home, based on something that happened last 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: week when I was at home with the whole family. Kylie, 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: You've got something lined up for us as well. 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: And today I'm going to share how sometimes our kids 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: are the mirror to our own souls. 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: We'll find out what Kylie means right after the break 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: on the Happy Family's podcasts. Welcome to the Happy Families 17 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: Podcast Friday edition. It's I'll Do Better Tomorrow, where we 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: review the week that was, work out what worked, what didn't, 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: and try to give you some inspose so that you 20 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: can make your family happier. My name's Doc Justin Colsonan 21 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: here with Kylie Mum to our six kids, my wife 22 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: of you know what we're coming up to hang on 23 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: twenty eight years, twenty eight years of marriage in just 24 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks time. Very excited for this. Are 25 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: you looking after it this year? Am I the wedding anniversary? 26 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: Have you got that? Or have I got it? 27 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: Maybe I've got it, maybe you've got it. 28 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: That's not filling me with any sense of conference at all. 29 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: We need to do better than this. We'll work it 30 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: out at some point, Kylie. You have said something cryptic 31 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: about what you're going to share, Mirrors to souls for 32 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: our children. Just before we go there, received an email 33 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: we love your emails, we love your voice notes podcasts 34 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: at happy families dot com dot you. That's podcasts with 35 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: an s at happy families dot com dot you. I 36 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: just want to read this out. A GP, a co 37 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: owner of medical practice and a GP in the northern 38 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: suburbs of Brisbane, got in touch mum to a couple 39 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: of teenagers. Felt compelled, she says to send an email 40 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: to you to share my thoughts. Here's the background. I 41 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: work with lots of young families and adolescents and support 42 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: them through lots of challenges. Recently I've been feeling uneasiness 43 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: with the way mental health treatment has been progressing. So 44 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: much money spent, so many psychologists and psychiatrists, and overall, 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 1: so so so many medications for these people without much improvement. 46 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: And on top of the depression anxiety epidemic, I've been 47 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: overwhelmed every week with adults wanting referrals for ADHD diagnosis. Then, 48 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: she says the Queensland government came out with the news 49 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: in December allowing gps in Queensland to diagnose and prescribe 50 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: medications for ADHD without further training. Couldn't believe this decision. 51 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: It seemed crazy to me. Why would the solution be 52 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: more doctors and easier to prescribe. We are in health 53 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: economic crisis, huge money spent on these subsidized medications, sending 54 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: PBS Medicare into debt. Yes, no one can get into 55 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: see a psychiatrist, but that at least was keeping the 56 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: epidemic at bay. Now there will be no stopping this epidemic. 57 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: Why people so wanting of this diagnosis. I have very 58 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: accomplished professionals seeing me requesting referrals. The world seems to 59 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: have gone mad over ADHD diagnosis. Then, she says the following. 60 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: A few weeks after hearing your recommendation on your book 61 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: review episode of Happy Families, I ordered Searching for Normal 62 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: from book Topia that arrived last weekend. I can't tell 63 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: you the visceral reaction I have had to reading this book. 64 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: I only started two days ago. I'm halfway through reading it, 65 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: but the authorites so articularly about what I've been feeling 66 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: in my gut for years. I've been reading sitting up 67 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: next to my husband in bed, and nearly every few 68 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: pages I dig him in the ribs and say, see, yes, 69 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: I agree, this is exactly how I feel. This is 70 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: my exact patient, and what the lack of evidence for 71 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: our treatment guidelines is so absent. Anyway, she goes on 72 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: to say, I feel so emotional and passion about this, 73 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: and I don't know where to turn. I feel like 74 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: I need to start yelling this from the mountaintops. I 75 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: started to discussing our tea room at work yesterday, asking 76 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: if anyone read the book. Nobody had. I feel like 77 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: I just can't keep seeing these families and agreeing to 78 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: the distortion of truth. And she goes on to say 79 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: a few things about mental health care plans for psychologists 80 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: and just how messed it all up. I wanted to 81 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: share that because we made a pretty big deal about 82 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: searching for Normal by Sammy to Mimi on the podcast 83 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: last year, and I've come under rode a fire from 84 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: people who are not professionals, but who are just desperate 85 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: because their kids are driving them crazy or because they're 86 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: being driven crazy. And I keep on getting this kind 87 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: of feedback highly because we are not dealing with the 88 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: mental health challenges that we've got in this country properly 89 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: and giving gps who are not trained the authorization to 90 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: start writing more scripts for more diagnosis, which they're also 91 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: not qualified to be giving. It's beyond the pale. It's 92 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: completely inappropriate. It's absolutely wrong that the government's doing it, 93 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: and that the doctors are doing it, pediatricians are doing it. 94 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: They're not actually the people who should be doing this, 95 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: and we've got massive problems. So there you go. There's 96 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: my bright ray of sunshine to start off our Friday. 97 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: I'll do better tomorrow. Do you want to add anything 98 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: for that or do you just want to tell us 99 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: your happy story? 100 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: I feel so saddened by the idea that the answer 101 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: to our problems is just another drug or just another label. 102 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: And I look at individual people in my own life 103 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: that are very close to me and watch how the 104 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: medical profession has literally slowly eaten away at any chance 105 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: of enjoyment in life, because as soon as there's a problem, 106 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: there's just another drug added to the cocktail. 107 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's offer skills. Yeah. 108 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: And I remember when you and I first got married, 109 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: and I used to come to you with my challenges 110 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: and you would be so burdened by it because you 111 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: thought your job was to fix them. And I kind 112 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: of feel like gps play that role. We come in, 113 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: we tell them we've got a problem and their job 114 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: is to fix it, instead of us looking at them 115 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: as almost a sounding board and an opportunity to get 116 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: curious and try and kind of understand and look. 117 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: At the options the best ones do. The best ones say, well, 118 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: let's talk more about that, and let's see if we 119 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: In fact, I've read about some very unique gps who 120 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: are prescribing exercise and prescribing food as medicine. 121 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: Or green space or meditation. 122 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: They're actually prescribing and they literally they're writing it on 123 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: not and go home and do this, and when adherence 124 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: occurs well, being follows. We just do not have enough 125 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: people who are willing to step away from that medical model. 126 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: The other thing that makes it really hard is that 127 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: we've lost confidence in our ability to get through things. 128 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: We feel like we need to always be getting an expert, 129 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: getting somebody into helpers. I know I'm doing myself out 130 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: of a job by saying this, but we've got to 131 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: back ourselves a little bit more and just go, Okay, 132 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: I can actually do this, It's okay. The number of 133 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: parents who want me to give them permission to say 134 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: no to their children, I'm like, I don't need to 135 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: give you permission. You can you can do that anyway. 136 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 1: That was the emailt that came through. We get plenty 137 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: like that, but that one just struck me, I guess 138 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: because it's somebody who is really working out the cold 139 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: face dealing with this and is literally doing the work 140 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: and saying, why are we doing this? It's not right. 141 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: We just need more people who are brave enough to 142 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: do it rather than just go with the flow. What's 143 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: your old about? It's morrow, Kylie. 144 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: Well, this week's been a little bit challenging, and I 145 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: did find myself in a bit of an altercation with 146 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: one of our children, and as we were talking, she 147 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: was very emotionally heightened and was really struggling to, I guess, 148 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: take accountability for the part that she was playing in 149 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: this challenge. 150 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: So we've got a saying at home. If you can't 151 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: take accountability and owner and be responsible, that's using your 152 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: or right r ownership, accountability, responsibility, that you're in bed, blame, excuse, 153 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: and denial. And you're saying she was in bed. 154 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: And I've heard the saying before that children's behavior is 155 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: often a mirror to our own behavior and challenge. And 156 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: as I was sitting there watching her falling apart and 157 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: getting more and more frustrated by the whole, it occurred 158 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: to me that there's been plenty times in our relationship 159 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: where you have come and made a suggestion or queried 160 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: me on something, and I have taken offense or suggested 161 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: any number of reasons why you were incorrect or anything. 162 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: And it's not pretty watching your child act in such 163 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: a way that reflects behavior you recognize in your own life. 164 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: Hence the merit to your soul. 165 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, you do get a bit defensive if I 166 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: offer a suggestion that is not requested from time to time, 167 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: maybe as much as I try not to. I grew 168 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: up in a home where suggestions were fluent and fast coming. 169 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: Like my parents or my mum especially, always had suggestions 170 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: for how we could do things better. 171 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: And I grew up in a home where it was 172 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: everybody else's problem. 173 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny, isn't it. How you get together 174 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: and you're supposed to just figure this stuff out. Here 175 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: we are thirty years in almost, and we're kind of going, 176 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: we're just learning stuff about this. 177 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: But a short time after that experience, you rang me 178 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: and I may have jumped down your throat through the 179 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 2: phone yep about something. And I got off the phone. 180 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: You were so good. You just said okay, i'll talk 181 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: to you soon, and you hung up, and I rang 182 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: you back. 183 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: I said nicer things than that. I'm just saying. I 184 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: think I told you that I love you even when 185 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: you're mad at me. No, you didn't, I'm pretty sure 186 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: say any of that. You just I always say things 187 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: like that. Let me go O all right. 188 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: And about three or four minutes, as I sat with it, 189 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, wow, that was really harsh. He 190 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: didn't deserve that. And I rang you back and I apologized. 191 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: But the thing that stood out to me the most 192 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: in that small interaction was number One, you could have 193 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: been seething for those three minutes because I had treated 194 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: you poorly in that moment, But when you answered the phone, 195 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: it was like you were so excited to talk to me. 196 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: And I apologized and you just said, I love you 197 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: no matter what. And I'm really grateful that in spite 198 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: of both of our upbringings, that there is this deep 199 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: desire to find middle ground and to love no matter what, 200 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: And in spite of the challenges we had with this 201 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: particular child, on this day, I think that we came 202 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: around to all of us sitting in the room understanding 203 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: and knowing that no matter what, there is just deep 204 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: love and appreciation for the abundantly good lives we get 205 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: to live and we get to share together. 206 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: That's the whole box and Dice, That's the entirety of 207 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: what it's about. Can we stop doing dumb things? But 208 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: if we do, can we forgive each other? And can 209 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: we move on and be better as a result of it? 210 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: That's literally all that matters. It's the whole thing. Holding 211 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: onto grudges doesn't serve anyone. Being upset and seething doesn't 212 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: serve anyone. 213 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 2: I think the challenge for many people is that if 214 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: I take accountability for the part that I've played, then 215 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 2: I'm actually giving the other person permission to not take accountability. 216 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: That's what it feels like. It feels like if I'm saying, yeah, 217 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: that was my fault, then I'm taking the responsibility of 218 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: the whole situation on board. But that's not what accountability 219 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: is about. It's about acknowledging that I've played a role 220 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: in this. I don't need to take your stuff on, 221 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: but I can acknowledge mine. 222 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: Family life is sometimes but my goodness, it's so rich, 223 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: so worth it. So I was going to share my 224 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: awesome story and it's an absolute banger, but times up, 225 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: we need to wrap it up there. So I really 226 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: really hope that you've enjoyed this conversation. Thank you so 227 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: much for listen to the Happy Families Podcast. We will 228 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: get into the nitty gritty of the other stuff that 229 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: we deal with and the just the huge challenges that 230 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: being a parent can bring into our lives on an 231 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: upcoming episode. Great Weekend. Happy Families podcast is produced by 232 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: Justin Roland from Bridge Media, and Mimhammond provides all of 233 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: our additional support. More details are available at happy families 234 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: dot com dot u