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Speaker 1: Absolutely. The big news this morning is the fact that

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Speaker 1: Professor Scott Bowman has stood down as the vice chancellor

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Speaker 1: of Charles Darwin University, and it does indeed follow the

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Speaker 1: debarcle that has been the apprenticeship situation and the incoming

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Speaker 1: vice chancellor or the acting vice chancellor telling us a

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Speaker 1: little earlier this morning that it is about one hundred

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Speaker 1: or it's one hundred or so students that have been

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Speaker 1: impacted initially she's in saying around one hundred and fifty,

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Speaker 1: I believe in other ways, so I guess we're talking

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Speaker 1: about three hundred students at this point in time, but

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Speaker 1: the extent is not one hundred percent known. They've got

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Speaker 1: an external review that's going to be happening, hopefully that's

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Speaker 1: done within the month. Joining us on the line though,

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Speaker 1: to tell us a little bit more about the impact

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Speaker 1: to the industry is the CEO of Master Builders here

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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory, Sally Ane in US. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Sally Anne.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time. Now, we know about

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Speaker 1: an hour ago that Professor Scott Bowman stepped down from CDU.

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Speaker 1: Do you support that move? Sally Anne, Oh.

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Speaker 2: We do think it's in the best interest, certainly of

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Speaker 2: the industry. We wish Professor Bowman the best. We just

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Speaker 2: want to work to get this sordid and confidence restored

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Speaker 2: in the training.

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Speaker 1: Should more heads role given how widespread this issue has become.

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Speaker 2: Katie, it's been I mean, I said it the other day,

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Speaker 2: the communication around it hasn't been optimal. I do want

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Speaker 2: to commend Minister Hersey's office. They've kept us up to

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Speaker 2: date at every step and that that's been great. We're

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Speaker 2: really pleased to hear about the independent audit that I

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Speaker 2: think begins today. Yes, so we're heartened by that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think it's really important that we get

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Speaker 1: to the core of the situation and work out just

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Speaker 1: how many students have been impacted and then what they

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Speaker 1: need to do to try to you know, to move on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Like I've had members tell me and stakeholders

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Speaker 2: tell me that there was a a meeting in Alice

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Speaker 2: Springs a couple of weeks ago to talk to our

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Speaker 2: apprentices and members affected down there, but they've heard nothing since.

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Speaker 2: So we're really genuinely asking them to reach out to

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Speaker 2: everybody who's been affected, not just by email but by

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Speaker 2: calling them as well silly and.

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Speaker 1: When we're builders and apprentices, from your understanding, told about

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Speaker 1: this bungle.

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Speaker 2: That was towards the end of last year. Literally five

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Speaker 2: minutes before Christmas, Katie, I had a phone call from

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Speaker 2: a member who said that they'd gone to try and

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Speaker 2: CDU straight away and was sort of told basically, at

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Speaker 2: this point in time, there's nothing to see here and

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Speaker 2: it's just got bigger from there.

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Speaker 1: So from your understanding, do you know how many students

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Speaker 1: or do you have any idea how many people may

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Speaker 2: Look, due to privacy, I can't get the details of everyone.

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Speaker 2: It's just been ringing around and speaking to our members.

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Speaker 2: I know I've referred to the Alice Springs session a

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Speaker 2: few weeks ago. There's about eleven down in Alice Springs

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Speaker 2: and the rest up here. I know that I was

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Speaker 2: told that there was a gap program starting at the

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Speaker 2: that's underway, so hopefully that will it should finish this week.

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Speaker 2: As for the other graduates, whether they're still in the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory around Australia that've apparently got emails not phone calls.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, right, So Sally, and I mean, what are like,

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Speaker 1: what are people in the industry saying to you, how

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Speaker 1: concerning is this and what kind of impact is it having.

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Speaker 2: Well a couple of things on that, Katie. I just

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Speaker 2: just the other students the I think it was one

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty or all the other courses that was

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Speaker 2: referred to earlier. A lot of those in our VET

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Speaker 2: training or in schools at VET training, and these are

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Speaker 2: the kids that we need to get into the industry.

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Speaker 2: These are kids that we want to make sure once

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Speaker 2: they finish school or leave school, they're coming into a trade.

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Speaker 2: So it's really important that that is the confidence is

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Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to think that's you know, our

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Speaker 2: with our builders. Nobody should be questioning the practicality of

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Speaker 2: that or the practical experience. But at the end of

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Speaker 2: say they're qualified. So that's one of the biggest concerns.

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Speaker 1: Salianna. You worried like, are you concerned that people are

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Speaker 1: going to look into state maybe for this training or

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Speaker 1: is that even possible for them?

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, I will fight too for nail to make

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Speaker 2: sure that doesn't happen. Like absolutely. Our builders here work hard,

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Speaker 2: that build the territory. They're building houses, We've got one

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Speaker 2: of the most aggressive first home buias grants. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: this government. We need our builders here, so I'll fight

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Speaker 2: two for nail. We want more defense infrastructure our commercial builders,

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Speaker 2: So I will fight tooth and nail Katie to make

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Speaker 2: sure that that does not happen.

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Speaker 1: Saliana, it sounds like it's you know, it's tough, and

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Speaker 1: it sounds like it's sort of tough for the industry

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Speaker 1: at this point in time. Do you think that the

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Speaker 1: ramifications of this are going to be sort of broader

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Speaker 2: As long as CD you do what they are saying

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Speaker 2: they're going to do and get this fixed. Like, I

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Speaker 2: don't want to see any delays anywhere. I want people building,

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Speaker 2: I want businesses building, I want people coming to invest

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Speaker 2: in the territory. I want people living here. So c.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a massive job now to make sure

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Speaker 2: that this is fixed and fixed quickly so these qualifications

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Speaker 2: are restored.

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Speaker 1: Well Saliane in US, I really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you