Speaker 1: Have you been good?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, great. Did you get any letters like I did
Speaker 1: from the lawyers of Trevor Long?
Speaker 2: No, you're the only one.
Speaker 1: No, okay, all right, I guess.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm still campaigning to have him on the show.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll come on eventually.
Speaker 1: I'm onto my third pig's head through his bedroom window.
Speaker 1: I think eventually he'll just be like I get to
Speaker 1: get on this idiot's podcast.
Speaker 2: You take a bite out of them before you throw
Speaker 2: it through.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: You know me.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't help myself, you know. I love a
Speaker 1: snack on the drive there. I'm like, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: about to commit a crime, but before I do, we snack.
Speaker 1: You're so mean to me. Oh, by the way, Actually,
Speaker 1: big news is I have joined a gym. Oh really, yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 2: What are you doing there?
Speaker 1: Chips and dips, That's what I'm doing, Jim Jim's mowing
Speaker 1: or something. I actually haven't been there yet, I no joke.
Speaker 1: I've joined, but it's been a week and I'm still
Speaker 1: it's thinking about it. Yeah, I'm still thinking about it.
Speaker 1: The thing is it's above my where my kid goes
Speaker 1: for swimming lessons. So we take the kid to swimming
Speaker 1: and males like pointing. My wife is pointing upstairs. I'm like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not today.
Speaker 2: Like I have to watch her in the water, watch her.
Speaker 2: Are you crazy?
Speaker 1: I'm not like going to just trust her with you.
Speaker 1: Me and Trevor actually going to be doing a hot
Speaker 1: dog eating competition at the end.
Speaker 4: Of My fear is that you'd win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, quietly, I'm in training. Anyway. Hey, we're chatting with
Speaker 1: a really cool guy, one I've been a fan for
Speaker 1: for a long time, and I'm glad he agreed to
Speaker 1: this podcast. Frankly, I don't know why. I don't know
Speaker 1: why either. I don't know why. I was like, I think, look,
Speaker 1: I did tell a few lies. I told him we
Speaker 1: were popular. But his name's Frank Cassidy and he has
Speaker 1: arguably one of the world's best porscha collections. It's it's
Speaker 1: almost like it's almost like a gallery, like he's almost
Speaker 1: curated this collection. Then it's just next level in a
Speaker 1: warehouse in the middle of the British countryside. He's got
Speaker 1: this thing called box and Gas, which is you're gonna
Speaker 1: hear in this chat. It's literally a nine to eleven
Speaker 1: mecha he's got like a section where they do I
Speaker 1: guess repairs and restorations. They've got kind of his personal garage.
Speaker 1: They've got something else going on for events. It's very
Speaker 1: cool and the dude's like very rock and roll. Did
Speaker 1: you notice that?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah I did it. I was about to say.
Speaker 5: It's similar to my Commodore collections. So I have a
Speaker 5: really through a bottle o. Yeah, you know, and behind
Speaker 5: the bottle ow is like a little meth den just
Speaker 5: just like nothing too crazy, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very much like tab vibes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so he's got one of the world's most impressive
Speaker 1: Porscha collections. It's like a gallery and yeah, you can
Speaker 1: tell I'm excited to chat to him, so we should
Speaker 1: just get in this chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 4: Hi guys, how's it going.
Speaker 1: How's it going? Thanks for doing this, No, my absolute pleasure.
Speaker 4: Thanks for the invite. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: What a stunning, beautiful day it looks like in the UK.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, it doesn't happen often here, so
Speaker 3: when the weather is good, yeah, we take advantage. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a shame the world is burning, but otherwise it's
Speaker 3: been an amazing summer over here, we've had up to
Speaker 3: what was it up to, I think it was thirty
Speaker 3: eight degrees, the nine degrees, which for us is very hot,
Speaker 3: also hottest to get us down.
Speaker 1: There, probably like forty three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we definitely haven't got to that point quite yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have like air conditioners and stuff.
Speaker 5: I remember I was in the UK once when it
Speaker 5: was like a thirty three degree day and I was
Speaker 5: staying in this hotel that was made entirely of concrete
Speaker 5: and it was like a Turkish spa. It was like
Speaker 5: a sauna in there. It was crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: We we don't really do our conditioning over here, although
Speaker 3: it's becoming more prevalent.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you guys hear about boxing gas and what we're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did well. I first stumbled across you, I
Speaker 1: guess on Instagram, because Instagram has this amazing sort of
Speaker 1: way of recommending people that you'd be into following, for instance,
Speaker 1: and I guess after looking at far too many Porsche
Speaker 1: videos and photos, you eventually came up and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's got probably arguably I think
Speaker 1: you've probably got one of the world's best collections.
Speaker 4: Oh. I don't know about that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's all very subjective, but I'll take the compliment.
Speaker 3: That's very kind of you, thanks for the kind of interest.
Speaker 3: And I don't know in my little side of Porsche.
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a few. I think there's a
Speaker 1: few figureheads around the world. You'll one, maybe Magnus is
Speaker 1: another one, and there's probably a few over in Germany
Speaker 1: as well. But tell us about Box and Gas because
Speaker 1: it's such a I guess an amazing concept because it's
Speaker 1: not just you with a stunning collection of cars of
Speaker 1: old Porsches. It's really almost like a mecca for nine
Speaker 1: to eleven, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I no, thanks. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's essentially a one hundred acre estate that's entirely dedicated
Speaker 3: to Porsche. We bought the estate in what was at
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, so about five years ago, and we'd be
Speaker 3: building over since then. So we've built twenty thousand square
Speaker 3: feet which are all least to one of the UK's
Speaker 3: most prominent Porsche specialists, and then we've got another thirty
Speaker 3: thousand square fee that will be finished by the end
Speaker 3: of the year, so in total we'll be at fifty
Speaker 3: thousand square feet within the estate and our activities are
Speaker 3: we're essentially.
Speaker 4: A glorified business park.
Speaker 3: It's a very raw business park with a lot of
Speaker 3: land around us, and so we leased a space to
Speaker 3: Porsche related businesses and then otherwise we have an annual
Speaker 3: event called Megaphonics, and then we have a range of merchandise. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so as time goes on, when these last thirty thousand
Speaker 3: square feet open, will suddenly be able to do things
Speaker 3: on a much more regular basis because there'll be infrastructure
Speaker 3: for more hospitality. And when that happens, I will mean
Speaker 3: that we'll be able to do things on a much
Speaker 3: more regular basis, so monthly cars and coffee and that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool. Tell us about the fran Cassidy
Speaker 1: origin story. I guess when you curate and acquire this
Speaker 1: sort of a collection of cars, you know there must
Speaker 1: have been there must have been something pretty special deep
Speaker 1: inside to kind of start this off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I mean it's not the most of interesting
Speaker 3: of stories, but essentially.
Speaker 4: What's gold.
Speaker 3: I've been obsessed, like many of us, with cars all
Speaker 3: my life, and it all started with my mum buying
Speaker 3: me on cassette The love Bug, the nineteen sixty seventh film,
Speaker 3: and it started off with Beetles, and then naturally, as
Speaker 3: you start reading about Beetles, eventually discovered Porsche.
Speaker 4: There was something about the cowl of guys that really
Speaker 4: resonated with me.
Speaker 3: So that was a group of California guys had a
Speaker 3: very laid back attitude but were into drag racing. So
Speaker 3: they kind of stripped their beetles of all all unnecessary weight.
Speaker 4: And I just really like that philosophy.
Speaker 3: And so that's kind of philosophy that I tried to
Speaker 3: apply to to some of my more my.
Speaker 4: More extreme cars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know, that's kind of I guess
Speaker 3: where it kind of started.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I I've you know, Porsches are I think
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's the.
Speaker 2: Type of car that that really regardless of.
Speaker 5: Which application they try and attempt, whether it's a nine
Speaker 5: to eleven, a boxed or a kne you know, regardless
Speaker 5: of what they do, they kind of execute it.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you have a bit of an affinity
Speaker 2: with air called Porsches. Do you do you like modern
Speaker 2: Porsches or do you think.
Speaker 5: That that it's the classic stuff that really sort of
Speaker 5: tickles you fancy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate modern Porsches. I've owned modern Porsches before.
Speaker 3: We've had a kN as a family, and I've had
Speaker 3: a nine to seven Turbo in the past, which is
Speaker 3: amazingly capable car. And I have huge amount of respect
Speaker 3: for modern cars and what they're capable of. It just
Speaker 3: happens to be the stuff that, really, I don't know
Speaker 3: caause of my past.
Speaker 4: Strings, seems to be the air court stuff.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the start I mean again,
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of t shoes out there,
Speaker 3: but a lot of the modern stuff is very it's very,
Speaker 3: very clinical, and it kind of drives itself. And I
Speaker 3: respect that massive because it's a huge amount of engineering
Speaker 3: that has to go into a car in order to
Speaker 3: make it do that.
Speaker 4: But the old stuff is I just find it.
Speaker 3: I find it rewarding from from the get go, from
Speaker 3: you know, having to track down a car, track tracking
Speaker 3: down a car, getting it back, spending time with it,
Speaker 3: figuring out what's wrong with it, getting it back to
Speaker 3: like because they all have something wrong, figuring out what's
Speaker 3: wrong with it, fixing those things, getting a nice baseline,
Speaker 3: driving it for about a year or so, and then
Speaker 3: and then setting about creating something that that I think
Speaker 3: the car is meant to be.
Speaker 4: So there's a very personal aspect to it, I think,
Speaker 4: And with a lot of modern stuff, it's all relatively reliable.
Speaker 3: It's all in good nick which has which has all
Speaker 3: its which has its which has its place.
Speaker 4: And its merit.
Speaker 3: But it's less of I don't know, it's less of
Speaker 3: a journey that you go on with it, if that
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, the the older stuff tends to appeal to
Speaker 3: me a little bit more than the the newer stuff.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't mean to say that I don't have
Speaker 3: huge much respect for it, and that there are some
Speaker 3: days where, you know, when when several cars have gone wrong,
Speaker 3: that I just think I just want to sell everything
Speaker 3: and buy, you know, something modern with a warranty and
Speaker 3: it make my life easy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what do you think the cutoff is with
Speaker 1: with a modern Porsche to I guess a classic? Where
Speaker 1: is the the years sort of beginning? Where's the lines?
Speaker 3: It's so it's so subjective, you know, because I remember
Speaker 3: being I mean, I've been a several car mets. I've
Speaker 3: seen online people saying, oh, the last analog in nine
Speaker 3: to eleven is a nine ninety seven or a nine
Speaker 3: ninety six or or nine ninety three, and it people.
Speaker 3: I think people define an analog nine to eleven based
Speaker 3: on their own experience.
Speaker 4: So from from my.
Speaker 3: Perspective, and I'm lucky enough to have driven pretty much
Speaker 3: every single generation of Porsche is out there.
Speaker 4: Of the air call variety.
Speaker 3: I would say it kind of stops the nine to
Speaker 3: six four. The temptation is to say the nine nine
Speaker 3: three because it's the it's the last of the air
Speaker 3: cool car. But actually I define a nine eleven not
Speaker 3: necessarily by its engine or that that is a key
Speaker 3: factor in the air called engine is a key factor,
Speaker 3: but by the way that it drives, and so like
Speaker 3: everything that came the nine six four is the only
Speaker 3: generation of nine eleven to have single arm rear trailing arms,
Speaker 3: whereas the nine nine three came in with multi link
Speaker 3: and the one before the nine six four is a
Speaker 3: torsion bar car.
Speaker 4: So what I'm.
Speaker 3: Essentially getting at is that I think that the nine
Speaker 3: nine to three changed the game so much without multi
Speaker 3: link rear end, without amazing engineering that went into it,
Speaker 3: but that for me really was a milestone, And how
Speaker 3: the car went round the corner and I personally think
Speaker 3: there's a very clear distinction between the nine six wore
Speaker 3: and the nine known through.
Speaker 2: The other curio is thing as well.
Speaker 5: Porscha has recently come out and said that they're working
Speaker 5: on e fuels and they're actually building a production facility
Speaker 5: in Tasmania here in Australia, and I think it's really
Speaker 5: fascinating because Porscha Isn't Isn't kind of saying to all
Speaker 5: of their customers and their fans, like you, Hey, you've
Speaker 5: got an old car.
Speaker 2: It's going to be bad luck.
Speaker 5: You're not going to be able to do anything with
Speaker 5: it in ten or fifteen years when the world goes
Speaker 5: to electric. Do you think that the e fuel sort
Speaker 5: of idea actually has merit And do you think that
Speaker 5: people that own classic vehicles, and especially Porscha's will take
Speaker 5: advantage of something like that in the future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for me, looking at it from from
Speaker 3: from an even wider perspective, I think, you know, without
Speaker 3: wanting to go too far into it, but I think
Speaker 3: I think our biggest, our biggest problem as a human
Speaker 3: race is our race of consumption. And I think that
Speaker 3: if we can reuse the things that we already have
Speaker 3: or slow down our race consumption, then we're we're we're
Speaker 3: we're much better. And I think that applying that to
Speaker 3: what you're saying about e fuels makes sense to me.
Speaker 3: I think that keeping an older car on the road
Speaker 3: going for a longer period of time is certainly a
Speaker 3: better thing to do than to keep manufacturing, you know,
Speaker 3: new products. So I think the manufacturing that goes into
Speaker 3: any new car, whether we're electric or non electric, has
Speaker 3: its carbon footprint. And I think that if we can
Speaker 3: keep older cars on the road or older products, keep
Speaker 3: using our older products supposed to to having new ones.
Speaker 4: I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: So I think I think synthetic fuels are a very
Speaker 3: good idea. I like the idea of being able to
Speaker 3: carry on using our cars. I like the idea of
Speaker 3: carrying on being able to use the infrastructure we already have.
Speaker 3: We've got all these fuel stations already or all around
Speaker 3: the world, and if we can carry on using them
Speaker 3: as opposed to having.
Speaker 4: To manufacture and build more.
Speaker 3: Elect stations, which again has this carbon footprint, I think
Speaker 3: that's a good thing. I think that the thing for
Speaker 3: me is it's it's very easy to look. I think
Speaker 3: it's very easy for politicians to look at cars and
Speaker 3: just go, okay, well we'll look straight, we'll look at
Speaker 3: what comes out of the tail pipe. But actually, the
Speaker 3: carbon footprint overall starts from the day that it's manufactured
Speaker 3: to the day that it becomes obsolete. And I think
Speaker 3: that that that is something that we were as we
Speaker 3: as I don't know we're as a world are are
Speaker 3: certainly appreciating more and more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's got my vote as the short answer.
Speaker 1: It's funny. It's funny that you're mentioning sustainability too, because
Speaker 1: I feel like the way that you collect and acquired cars,
Speaker 1: you kind of talk about that you are preserving these
Speaker 1: pieces almost like pieces of art for the next custodians,
Speaker 1: which I think is really cool.
Speaker 4: Which is yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, all of us have a
Speaker 3: finite amount of time on this planet, and and what's
Speaker 3: called we use what we can and we pass on
Speaker 3: what we can to the next generation.
Speaker 4: And I think it's the same thing with cars. I
Speaker 4: think it's a bit too yeah, so so so so yeah.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: I hope that I hope that in some way, one
Speaker 3: shape or another, that somebody else will get to enjoy
Speaker 3: the car after I'm gone, and I'm pleased to have
Speaker 3: enjoyed it after the previous owner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your collection is massive, as we've sort of covered,
Speaker 1: and as people can say. But because with your collection,
Speaker 1: I sort of figure that every single model, every single year,
Speaker 1: everything kind of has its own I guess language about it.
Speaker 1: If you like, there's sort of this is a really
Speaker 1: bad example, but you can pretty much teach anyone French.
Speaker 1: But fluency is definitely one thing, and I think driving
Speaker 1: like a certain older car requires a little bit of
Speaker 1: fluency on how you drive. You've got to know the
Speaker 1: ins and outs of it, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 6: I mean it's I totally get you know, some people go, Okay,
Speaker 6: well why so much Porsche, you know, like that, There's
Speaker 6: other things to the world, and I totally get that,
Speaker 6: and I've been there experimental world of cars.
Speaker 4: But actually that's a very surface level, and I think
Speaker 4: that when when when you look at.
Speaker 3: The cars that I'm fortunate enough to have there, they
Speaker 3: actually have they offer very different driving experiences.
Speaker 4: There's cars in there which are very good at.
Speaker 3: Going out with the missus for a Sunday drive, you know,
Speaker 3: nice and quiet and comfortable. There's cars in there that
Speaker 3: are very good for crossing constants, because my wife and
Speaker 3: I love road.
Speaker 4: Trips, and it's nice and quiet and comfortable as well.
Speaker 3: There's cars in there which are incredibly good at alpine tools,
Speaker 3: so they're stripped out, very very raw, and it is
Speaker 3: literally all about that experience being on that alpine pass
Speaker 3: on rough terrain, rough roads. And then there are cars
Speaker 3: in there which are very good at just being track
Speaker 3: cars so still street legal, so I can get to
Speaker 3: the track without having.
Speaker 4: To trailer cars my idea of a night there.
Speaker 3: And there are also race cars, so so essentially there's
Speaker 3: there's a very eclectic mix, even though it's all one brand.
Speaker 1: When you love to have a garage like that pool
Speaker 1: literally like I'd like for to go to the Alps,
Speaker 1: but I also want one for a bit of a
Speaker 1: road trip to that concept on the weekend. That would
Speaker 1: be fun.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, I I totally appreciate how fortunately
Speaker 3: this fortunate I am, and and it is certainly a
Speaker 3: little bit absurd for sure, but I think, I think,
Speaker 3: I think the main thing is that in my view,
Speaker 3: cars cars have to cars have to appeal to a
Speaker 3: mass audience. They need to they need to be good
Speaker 3: at everything in order to appeal to a mass audience
Speaker 3: and and and make the shareholders happy.
Speaker 4: But the truth is we're all unique individuals with a
Speaker 4: unique different requirements.
Speaker 3: And so there's nothing I think more personal than making
Speaker 3: your car the true truest representation of what driving really
Speaker 3: means to use an individual so yeah, so so so,
Speaker 3: and and it also makes an undiluted experience. It means
Speaker 3: it's not compromised that one thing or another. When I
Speaker 3: go to the racetrack, I know that this car was
Speaker 3: built to do that task to the utmost. And when
Speaker 3: I'm crossing the continent with the Misses for a holiday,
Speaker 3: I know that car is perfect for that job and uncompromised.
Speaker 5: Also, what do you reckon about like Singer and some
Speaker 5: of the people that are now doing ev conversions of classics.
Speaker 5: Do you reckon that that that stuff ruins what should
Speaker 5: be a vehicle that stays as it is? Or do
Speaker 5: you think that that you know when it comes to
Speaker 5: whatever someone wants to do to a car, that there
Speaker 5: really is no wrong choice.
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, my view is your car,
Speaker 4: your rules.
Speaker 3: I think that we spend a lot, we spend a
Speaker 3: little bit too much time criticizing other parts, other people
Speaker 3: and always having to express the point of view. And
Speaker 3: sometimes we don't have to have a point of view
Speaker 3: on anything. But yeah, I mean, you know, I think Singer,
Speaker 3: what Singer do is is brilliant. The quality of their
Speaker 3: craftsmanship is absolutely fantastic, roof you know, all of them.
Speaker 4: It's it's very it's a very interesting space. But it
Speaker 4: just it's it's a very different world.
Speaker 3: I mean, when when I started, the first nine eleven
Speaker 3: I bought was for seven thousand pounds, you know, and
Speaker 3: it was a ninety six four. It was six four
Speaker 3: when I bought that because I couldn't afford a nine
Speaker 3: ninety six and also because I preferred the classic car.
Speaker 3: And it meant because it was a cheap car, it
Speaker 3: meant that we could go on circuit, you could chuck
Speaker 3: it into a wall, you could rebuild it with parts
Speaker 3: from the scrap heap, because there were there were loads
Speaker 3: of parts of that time.
Speaker 4: Especially that, and it didn't owe you very much. Sorry, yeah,
Speaker 4: it didn't owe you very much.
Speaker 3: So so the world has has suddenly changed, and it's
Speaker 3: just it's just funny how you know, to me, a
Speaker 3: nine six four is a is a seven grand car.
Speaker 3: It's a car that you can modify without having to
Speaker 3: worry about originality. It's a car that you can take
Speaker 3: the track and if you crash it, it's not the
Speaker 3: end of the world. And all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 3: they're they're all of a sudden, it's been a while now,
Speaker 3: but they're being turned into two singers with with much
Speaker 3: higher price tagers than seven thousand pounds. So it's it's
Speaker 3: it's it's interesting to see how that car is chap
Speaker 3: that car has has turned around.
Speaker 4: And the nine six four is a really interesting model.
Speaker 3: It came out in the nineties or the time of
Speaker 3: a recession, so they weren't very they weren't sold in
Speaker 3: big numbers, so they're relatively rare and and a lot
Speaker 3: of them fell into disrepair because we people weren't willing
Speaker 3: to spend the money on a car that was.
Speaker 4: Worth so little.
Speaker 3: And they also suffered from dull mauth flywheel issues in
Speaker 3: the first year, and they had no head seating gaskets,
Speaker 3: so the then they meat a lot of all so.
Speaker 4: They got all immediately bad pressed. So again it was.
Speaker 3: Just more more salt to the wound for once of
Speaker 3: a better expression when it came to the when it
Speaker 3: came to the nicest four becoming the dog of the
Speaker 3: nine eleven one that nobody wanted, nobody wanted, whereas a
Speaker 3: nine nine to three was a car that everybody loved
Speaker 3: from day one and never lost. I don't know so
Speaker 3: much value, but yeah, but it's just interesting to see
Speaker 3: how the nine sex four was really has really turned
Speaker 3: around in that way in the nine eleven world, and
Speaker 3: it's certainly one of my absolute favorite models.
Speaker 4: I think it's a brilliant, brilliant car.
Speaker 5: Isn't it crazy how car prices have gone through the
Speaker 5: roof and cars that were ship boxers are now incredibly expensive.
Speaker 2: Does that change what you want to do with the car?
Speaker 5: I mean previously, if you know a car that you
Speaker 5: bought was seven pounds, would you want to actually go
Speaker 5: out and drive that car? Now if it's a it's
Speaker 5: a fIF fifty thousand pound car, now, I mean does
Speaker 5: that change your frame of mind?
Speaker 2: Depending on what it's actually worth on the.
Speaker 4: Market, Yeah, it does. It does for Cuddain people for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there was a time which is a
Speaker 3: brilliant circut in Belgium. If you haven't heard of it,
Speaker 3: it's it's got to be one of my favorite. It's
Speaker 3: got to be my favorite racetrack full stop.
Speaker 4: It's just got.
Speaker 3: Everything off Canber's gradient changes all the rest of it.
Speaker 3: At one end of the track, it can be raining,
Speaker 3: the other end of it, it's it's it's sunshine. And anyway,
Speaker 3: we used to do like a pilgrimage over there from England,
Speaker 3: driving straight over and we'd be a group of I
Speaker 3: don't know, fifteen twenty nine six fours and by the
Speaker 3: time all the guards from Europe had joined us as well,
Speaker 3: we'd be like thirty forty And there was a time
Speaker 3: when there was like thirty forty nine six fours all
Speaker 3: on circuit, you know, going up a rouge which is
Speaker 3: which is, which is an amazing straight and it'd be
Speaker 3: like watching skits what was going up aslide, you know,
Speaker 3: all these amazing colors and I mean those were those
Speaker 3: were those that was. There was a great time. That
Speaker 3: was really really great time. It to be two days
Speaker 3: on circuit and you just don't see that anymore. You know,
Speaker 3: people are much more protective of their cars because of
Speaker 3: the values and I totally get that, I absolutely get that,
Speaker 3: but it is it is a bit of a shame
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, these cars are
Speaker 3: meant for driving, and they are they they should be used.
Speaker 3: But then again, like I've said before, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't want to pass opinion. You know what's called everybody
Speaker 3: has has a different take on how to enjoy a car,
Speaker 3: And yeah, my opinion is I just I just want
Speaker 3: to drive endlessly and regardless of the value of the
Speaker 3: cars ensured, the car's insured and if something goes wrong,
Speaker 3: well you know that's what insurance is there for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you ever go outside the realm of the
Speaker 1: nine to elevens? Like, you know, I've got a soft
Speaker 1: spot for say the nine two four for instance, talk
Speaker 1: about a bad press that's kind of known as the
Speaker 1: the ugly Porsche, the poor Man's Porsche, the everything under
Speaker 1: the sun. I just think there's something really cool and
Speaker 1: individual about it. But yeah, do you ever sort of
Speaker 1: go outside the nine eleven?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Do I ever go outside of nine eleven? Well,
Speaker 4: I guess the the only Porsche that I've owned that's no.
Speaker 3: Nine to eleven is that kN And then a couple
Speaker 3: of three five sixes and I've still got a beast
Speaker 3: or knocking about, but no, not enough, not enough. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'd love to get hold of a nine to eight
Speaker 3: at some point. Another I'd love to get hold of
Speaker 3: like a first gen Kman and build like a real
Speaker 3: hot rod out of that. I think that'd be a
Speaker 3: lot of fun. But I think, you know you're there's
Speaker 3: there's some great Porsches out there, and I think what's
Speaker 3: awesome about the band is about the brand is that
Speaker 3: it's a very inclusive one. You know, some some cars
Speaker 3: like Lambaghiniese or Ferraris, if you're talking other exotic cars,
Speaker 3: the point of entry is so expensive that it is
Speaker 3: prohibitive for a lot of people. Whereas with Porsches you
Speaker 3: get everything from like a three grand Boxter all the
Speaker 3: way up to a multimillion pound collector cut. And I
Speaker 3: think that's really really awesome because it equalizes. It becomes
Speaker 3: a great equalizer, and you meet people from all different
Speaker 3: walks of life, and they're all great cars. You know,
Speaker 3: a three grand, four grand Boxer is a beautifu full
Speaker 3: balanced car. And the first gens I think are really
Speaker 3: starting to come into their own. I remember, and also
Speaker 3: the end of the day. It's not what you drive,
Speaker 3: it's how you drive it. Remember there was a rod,
Speaker 3: there was a There was a breakfast run that I
Speaker 3: did with a bunch of guys, and one of the
Speaker 3: guys send me a message saying, listen, I see there's
Speaker 3: a lot of bunch of airport cars and really nice
Speaker 3: you know, nine elevens, this, that the other. But I
Speaker 3: was thinking of coming and my boxer is that okay?
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, of course, you know it's
Speaker 3: got If it's Porsche and you love it and you've
Speaker 3: got the right attitude, that's the most important thing.
Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, come along.
Speaker 3: And true enough, he overtook a nine ninety six Turbo
Speaker 3: on the outside going up Snake Hill, coming.
Speaker 4: Out of a little village called Broadway.
Speaker 3: And it turns out basically that the car is highly modified,
Speaker 3: it's got owners.
Speaker 4: He tracks it all the time, takes it to the
Speaker 4: merburg Ring, and he really knows what he's doing.
Speaker 3: And that's the point I think for me, like Porsche
Speaker 3: is a very inclusive brand, it's all about the people
Speaker 3: and the stuff that really really gets under my skin
Speaker 3: is the cars that have a story and the owners
Speaker 3: that have a story. You know, and that guy's enthusiasm
Speaker 3: for me is something that's that's palpable and infectious, and
Speaker 3: that's what I want to be surrounded by.
Speaker 4: It's you know, enthusiasts and industry.
Speaker 3: Professionals that have a real passion and real passion that
Speaker 3: rubs off onto me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so cool to hear you talk so passionately
Speaker 1: about these cars too, and I just closing up. I
Speaker 1: know personally, like I had a Cayman, which is cops
Speaker 1: in a lot of bad flak as well amongst the
Speaker 1: purists and stuff like that, but for me, by by
Speaker 1: all means, I remember jumping in that thinking this was
Speaker 1: the best car I've ever driven, and then after a
Speaker 1: while you realize, like you kind of have to know
Speaker 1: how to drive these these cars a little bit because
Speaker 1: that you realize they're not perfect. But that's the sort
Speaker 1: of charm of it. It's kind of like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to I tried to describe to a friend of mine,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like listening to a like a
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones track. There's like the Stones aren't perfect, like
Speaker 1: they're pretty loosey goosey, but that's the charm and that's
Speaker 1: how they work. Really well, and I think especially some
Speaker 1: of the old classics. I think that's you know, the
Speaker 1: chart of an old card, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: For sure? For sure, I think old new.
Speaker 3: Whatever it is, the most important thing is it puts
Speaker 3: a smile on your face. You know, it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: what anybody else thinks. The important thing is you're the
Speaker 3: one who's behind the stewing world. And if it puts
Speaker 3: a smile on your face, that's all it's necessary. Everything
Speaker 3: else is bullshit.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, mate, we will let you go, and no doubt,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm going to try and sneak into
Speaker 1: Box and Guests sometime and check out.
Speaker 4: Definitely.
Speaker 3: Well, we've we've got our annual event next year, so
Speaker 3: that's really the time to come. And you know, Duck
Speaker 3: in Whale the Porsche magazine, I have been one of
Speaker 3: our sponsors for the last couple of years, so yeah,
Speaker 3: definitely pick up that magazine and have a.
Speaker 4: Look at the report from last year's edition. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the photography in that is amazing, breathtaking. Oh he's great, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having a chat with this mate.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: No, absolutely pleasure. Thank you for having me on and
Speaker 4: I appreciate the time.
Speaker 2: A legend, very down to earth and super nice guy.
Speaker 1: I know, I couldn't help it. Secretly think Jesus, do
Speaker 1: you think you'll give me one for free? Do you
Speaker 1: think like you'll go No?
Speaker 5: No, no, Well he may have felt sorry for Cayman.
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that car. I still love it. I'm
Speaker 1: going to buy another.
Speaker 2: No, I know they're they're really good. I was thinking
Speaker 2: about getting my wife on as well.
Speaker 1: Hairdresser or Cayman. What's wrong with the Cayman? Nothing? Nothing.
Speaker 5: There's like a there's a hook that you could put
Speaker 5: handbag shopping, like all that sort of stuff just rests
Speaker 5: on that hook.
Speaker 4: Really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know that irony is if we were
Speaker 1: to put that next to your fully sick commodore, it
Speaker 1: was dusty.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did they still actually? You know what the I know
Speaker 1: with the Commodores that you had is they were cup holders,
Speaker 1: but they're actually very good at holding your mountain dew
Speaker 1: bottle that had been turned into a bomb.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
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Speaker 1: the top one is in ashtray.
Speaker 2: God, you're good.
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