1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Have you been good? 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, great. Did you get any letters like I did 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: from the lawyers of Trevor Long? 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: No, you're the only one. 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: No, okay, all right, I guess. 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 3: Hey. 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: Look, I'm still campaigning to have him on the show. 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll come on eventually. 10 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm onto my third pig's head through his bedroom window. 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: I think eventually he'll just be like I get to 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: get on this idiot's podcast. 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: You take a bite out of them before you throw 14 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: it through. 15 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 16 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 4: You know me. 17 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: Well, I can't help myself, you know. I love a 18 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: snack on the drive there. I'm like, all right, I'm 19 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: about to commit a crime, but before I do, we snack. 20 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: You're so mean to me. Oh, by the way, Actually, 21 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: big news is I have joined a gym. Oh really, yeah, 22 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: there you go. 23 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: What are you doing there? 24 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: Chips and dips, That's what I'm doing, Jim Jim's mowing 25 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: or something. I actually haven't been there yet, I no joke. 26 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,919 Speaker 1: I've joined, but it's been a week and I'm still 27 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: it's thinking about it. Yeah, I'm still thinking about it. 28 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: The thing is it's above my where my kid goes 29 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: for swimming lessons. So we take the kid to swimming 30 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: and males like pointing. My wife is pointing upstairs. I'm like, no, no, no, 31 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: I'm not today. 32 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: Like I have to watch her in the water, watch her. 33 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: Are you crazy? 34 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: I'm not like going to just trust her with you. 35 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: Me and Trevor actually going to be doing a hot 36 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: dog eating competition at the end. 37 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 4: Of My fear is that you'd win. 38 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, quietly, I'm in training. Anyway. Hey, we're chatting with 39 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: a really cool guy, one I've been a fan for 40 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: for a long time, and I'm glad he agreed to 41 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: this podcast. Frankly, I don't know why. I don't know 42 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: why either. I don't know why. I was like, I think, look, 43 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: I did tell a few lies. I told him we 44 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: were popular. But his name's Frank Cassidy and he has 45 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: arguably one of the world's best porscha collections. It's it's 46 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: almost like it's almost like a gallery, like he's almost 47 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: curated this collection. Then it's just next level in a 48 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: warehouse in the middle of the British countryside. He's got 49 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: this thing called box and Gas, which is you're gonna 50 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: hear in this chat. It's literally a nine to eleven 51 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: mecha he's got like a section where they do I 52 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: guess repairs and restorations. They've got kind of his personal garage. 53 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: They've got something else going on for events. It's very 54 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: cool and the dude's like very rock and roll. Did 55 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: you notice that? 56 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah I did it. I was about to say. 57 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 5: It's similar to my Commodore collections. So I have a 58 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 5: really through a bottle o. Yeah, you know, and behind 59 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 5: the bottle ow is like a little meth den just 60 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 5: just like nothing too crazy, but. 61 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, very much like tab vibes. 62 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 63 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: Anyway, so he's got one of the world's most impressive 64 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: Porscha collections. It's like a gallery and yeah, you can 65 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: tell I'm excited to chat to him, so we should 66 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: just get in this chat. 67 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go. 68 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: Hi guys, how's it going. 69 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: How's it going? Thanks for doing this, No, my absolute pleasure. 70 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 4: Thanks for the invite. I appreciate it. 71 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: What a stunning, beautiful day it looks like in the UK. 72 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, it doesn't happen often here, so 73 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 3: when the weather is good, yeah, we take advantage. Yeah, 74 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 3: it's a shame the world is burning, but otherwise it's 75 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 3: been an amazing summer over here, we've had up to 76 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: what was it up to, I think it was thirty 77 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: eight degrees, the nine degrees, which for us is very hot, 78 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: also hottest to get us down. 79 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: There, probably like forty three. 80 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we definitely haven't got to that point quite yet. 81 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have like air conditioners and stuff. 82 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 5: I remember I was in the UK once when it 83 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 5: was like a thirty three degree day and I was 84 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 5: staying in this hotel that was made entirely of concrete 85 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 5: and it was like a Turkish spa. It was like 86 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 5: a sauna in there. It was crazy. 87 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I know. 88 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: We we don't really do our conditioning over here, although 89 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 3: it's becoming more prevalent. 90 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 91 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 4: Do you guys hear about boxing gas and what we're doing. 92 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I did well. I first stumbled across you, I 93 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: guess on Instagram, because Instagram has this amazing sort of 94 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: way of recommending people that you'd be into following, for instance, 95 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: and I guess after looking at far too many Porsche 96 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: videos and photos, you eventually came up and I was like, Wow, 97 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: this is a guy who's got probably arguably I think 98 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: you've probably got one of the world's best collections. 99 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 4: Oh. I don't know about that. 100 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 3: I mean, it's all very subjective, but I'll take the compliment. 101 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 3: That's very kind of you, thanks for the kind of interest. 102 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: And I don't know in my little side of Porsche. 103 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a few. I think there's a 104 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: few figureheads around the world. You'll one, maybe Magnus is 105 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: another one, and there's probably a few over in Germany 106 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: as well. But tell us about Box and Gas because 107 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: it's such a I guess an amazing concept because it's 108 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: not just you with a stunning collection of cars of 109 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: old Porsches. It's really almost like a mecca for nine 110 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: to eleven, right. 111 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I no, thanks. Yeah. 112 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: It's essentially a one hundred acre estate that's entirely dedicated 113 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: to Porsche. We bought the estate in what was at 114 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, so about five years ago, and we'd be 115 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: building over since then. So we've built twenty thousand square 116 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: feet which are all least to one of the UK's 117 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 3: most prominent Porsche specialists, and then we've got another thirty 118 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: thousand square fee that will be finished by the end 119 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: of the year, so in total we'll be at fifty 120 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: thousand square feet within the estate and our activities are 121 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 3: we're essentially. 122 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 4: A glorified business park. 123 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: It's a very raw business park with a lot of 124 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 3: land around us, and so we leased a space to 125 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 3: Porsche related businesses and then otherwise we have an annual 126 00:05:53,839 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 3: event called Megaphonics, and then we have a range of merchandise. Yeah, 127 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 3: so as time goes on, when these last thirty thousand 128 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 3: square feet open, will suddenly be able to do things 129 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: on a much more regular basis because there'll be infrastructure 130 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 3: for more hospitality. And when that happens, I will mean 131 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: that we'll be able to do things on a much 132 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 3: more regular basis, so monthly cars and coffee and that 133 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 3: kind of stuff. 134 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool. Tell us about the fran Cassidy 135 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: origin story. I guess when you curate and acquire this 136 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: sort of a collection of cars, you know there must 137 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: have been there must have been something pretty special deep 138 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: inside to kind of start this off. 139 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I mean it's not the most of interesting 140 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 3: of stories, but essentially. 141 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 4: What's gold. 142 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: I've been obsessed, like many of us, with cars all 143 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: my life, and it all started with my mum buying 144 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: me on cassette The love Bug, the nineteen sixty seventh film, 145 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 3: and it started off with Beetles, and then naturally, as 146 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: you start reading about Beetles, eventually discovered Porsche. 147 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 4: There was something about the cowl of guys that really 148 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 4: resonated with me. 149 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: So that was a group of California guys had a 150 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: very laid back attitude but were into drag racing. So 151 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 3: they kind of stripped their beetles of all all unnecessary weight. 152 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 4: And I just really like that philosophy. 153 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: And so that's kind of philosophy that I tried to 154 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: apply to to some of my more my. 155 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 4: More extreme cars. 156 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know, that's kind of I guess 157 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 3: where it kind of started. 158 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I I've you know, Porsches are I think 159 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 5: you know, it's it's the. 160 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: Type of car that that really regardless of. 161 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 5: Which application they try and attempt, whether it's a nine 162 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 5: to eleven, a boxed or a kne you know, regardless 163 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 5: of what they do, they kind of execute it. 164 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think you have a bit of an affinity 165 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: with air called Porsches. Do you do you like modern 166 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: Porsches or do you think. 167 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 5: That that it's the classic stuff that really sort of 168 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 5: tickles you fancy? 169 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate modern Porsches. I've owned modern Porsches before. 170 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: We've had a kN as a family, and I've had 171 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: a nine to seven Turbo in the past, which is 172 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: amazingly capable car. And I have huge amount of respect 173 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: for modern cars and what they're capable of. It just 174 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: happens to be the stuff that, really, I don't know 175 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: caause of my past. 176 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 4: Strings, seems to be the air court stuff. 177 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: I think a lot of the start I mean again, 178 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of t shoes out there, 179 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: but a lot of the modern stuff is very it's very, 180 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: very clinical, and it kind of drives itself. And I 181 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 3: respect that massive because it's a huge amount of engineering 182 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: that has to go into a car in order to 183 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: make it do that. 184 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 4: But the old stuff is I just find it. 185 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 3: I find it rewarding from from the get go, from 186 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: you know, having to track down a car, track tracking 187 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: down a car, getting it back, spending time with it, 188 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: figuring out what's wrong with it, getting it back to 189 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: like because they all have something wrong, figuring out what's 190 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: wrong with it, fixing those things, getting a nice baseline, 191 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 3: driving it for about a year or so, and then 192 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: and then setting about creating something that that I think 193 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: the car is meant to be. 194 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 4: So there's a very personal aspect to it, I think, 195 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 4: And with a lot of modern stuff, it's all relatively reliable. 196 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: It's all in good nick which has which has all 197 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: its which has its which has its place. 198 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 4: And its merit. 199 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: But it's less of I don't know, it's less of 200 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 3: a journey that you go on with it, if that 201 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: makes sense. 202 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 203 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: So, yeah, the the older stuff tends to appeal to 204 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: me a little bit more than the the newer stuff. 205 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 3: But it doesn't mean to say that I don't have 206 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 3: huge much respect for it, and that there are some 207 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 3: days where, you know, when when several cars have gone wrong, 208 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: that I just think I just want to sell everything 209 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 3: and buy, you know, something modern with a warranty and 210 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: it make my life easy. 211 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, what do you think the cutoff is with 212 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: with a modern Porsche to I guess a classic? Where 213 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: is the the years sort of beginning? Where's the lines? 214 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: It's so it's so subjective, you know, because I remember 215 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: being I mean, I've been a several car mets. I've 216 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: seen online people saying, oh, the last analog in nine 217 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: to eleven is a nine ninety seven or a nine 218 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: ninety six or or nine ninety three, and it people. 219 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 3: I think people define an analog nine to eleven based 220 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 3: on their own experience. 221 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 4: So from from my. 222 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: Perspective, and I'm lucky enough to have driven pretty much 223 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: every single generation of Porsche is out there. 224 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 4: Of the air call variety. 225 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: I would say it kind of stops the nine to 226 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: six four. The temptation is to say the nine nine 227 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 3: three because it's the it's the last of the air 228 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: cool car. But actually I define a nine eleven not 229 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: necessarily by its engine or that that is a key 230 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 3: factor in the air called engine is a key factor, 231 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 3: but by the way that it drives, and so like 232 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 3: everything that came the nine six four is the only 233 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: generation of nine eleven to have single arm rear trailing arms, 234 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: whereas the nine nine three came in with multi link 235 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 3: and the one before the nine six four is a 236 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 3: torsion bar car. 237 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 4: So what I'm. 238 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: Essentially getting at is that I think that the nine 239 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 3: nine to three changed the game so much without multi 240 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 3: link rear end, without amazing engineering that went into it, 241 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: but that for me really was a milestone, And how 242 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: the car went round the corner and I personally think 243 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 3: there's a very clear distinction between the nine six wore 244 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: and the nine known through. 245 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: The other curio is thing as well. 246 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 5: Porscha has recently come out and said that they're working 247 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 5: on e fuels and they're actually building a production facility 248 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 5: in Tasmania here in Australia, and I think it's really 249 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 5: fascinating because Porscha Isn't Isn't kind of saying to all 250 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 5: of their customers and their fans, like you, Hey, you've 251 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 5: got an old car. 252 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: It's going to be bad luck. 253 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 5: You're not going to be able to do anything with 254 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 5: it in ten or fifteen years when the world goes 255 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 5: to electric. Do you think that the e fuel sort 256 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 5: of idea actually has merit And do you think that 257 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 5: people that own classic vehicles, and especially Porscha's will take 258 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 5: advantage of something like that in the future. 259 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for me, looking at it from from 260 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 3: from an even wider perspective, I think, you know, without 261 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 3: wanting to go too far into it, but I think 262 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: I think our biggest, our biggest problem as a human 263 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 3: race is our race of consumption. And I think that 264 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: if we can reuse the things that we already have 265 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 3: or slow down our race consumption, then we're we're we're 266 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: we're much better. And I think that applying that to 267 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: what you're saying about e fuels makes sense to me. 268 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: I think that keeping an older car on the road 269 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 3: going for a longer period of time is certainly a 270 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 3: better thing to do than to keep manufacturing, you know, 271 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 3: new products. So I think the manufacturing that goes into 272 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 3: any new car, whether we're electric or non electric, has 273 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: its carbon footprint. And I think that if we can 274 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: keep older cars on the road or older products, keep 275 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 3: using our older products supposed to to having new ones. 276 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 4: I think that's a good thing. 277 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 3: So I think I think synthetic fuels are a very 278 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 3: good idea. I like the idea of being able to 279 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 3: carry on using our cars. I like the idea of 280 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: carrying on being able to use the infrastructure we already have. 281 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 3: We've got all these fuel stations already or all around 282 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: the world, and if we can carry on using them 283 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: as opposed to having. 284 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 4: To manufacture and build more. 285 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: Elect stations, which again has this carbon footprint, I think 286 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: that's a good thing. I think that the thing for 287 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 3: me is it's it's very easy to look. I think 288 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 3: it's very easy for politicians to look at cars and 289 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: just go, okay, well we'll look straight, we'll look at 290 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 3: what comes out of the tail pipe. But actually, the 291 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 3: carbon footprint overall starts from the day that it's manufactured 292 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 3: to the day that it becomes obsolete. And I think 293 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: that that that is something that we were as we 294 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 3: as I don't know we're as a world are are 295 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 3: certainly appreciating more and more. 296 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's got my vote as the short answer. 297 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: It's funny. It's funny that you're mentioning sustainability too, because 298 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: I feel like the way that you collect and acquired cars, 299 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: you kind of talk about that you are preserving these 300 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: pieces almost like pieces of art for the next custodians, 301 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: which I think is really cool. 302 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 4: Which is yeah, I appreciate that. 303 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 3: I think that, you know, all of us have a 304 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: finite amount of time on this planet, and and what's 305 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: called we use what we can and we pass on 306 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: what we can to the next generation. 307 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 4: And I think it's the same thing with cars. I 308 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 4: think it's a bit too yeah, so so so so yeah. 309 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 4: I think. 310 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 3: I hope that I hope that in some way, one 311 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 3: shape or another, that somebody else will get to enjoy 312 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: the car after I'm gone, and I'm pleased to have 313 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 3: enjoyed it after the previous owner. 314 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, your collection is massive, as we've sort of covered, 315 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: and as people can say. But because with your collection, 316 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: I sort of figure that every single model, every single year, 317 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: everything kind of has its own I guess language about it. 318 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: If you like, there's sort of this is a really 319 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: bad example, but you can pretty much teach anyone French. 320 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: But fluency is definitely one thing, and I think driving 321 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: like a certain older car requires a little bit of 322 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: fluency on how you drive. You've got to know the 323 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: ins and outs of it, do you know what I mean? 324 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. 325 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 6: I mean it's I totally get you know, some people go, Okay, 326 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 6: well why so much Porsche, you know, like that, There's 327 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 6: other things to the world, and I totally get that, 328 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 6: and I've been there experimental world of cars. 329 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 4: But actually that's a very surface level, and I think 330 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 4: that when when when you look at. 331 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: The cars that I'm fortunate enough to have there, they 332 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 3: actually have they offer very different driving experiences. 333 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 4: There's cars in there which are very good at. 334 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: Going out with the missus for a Sunday drive, you know, 335 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: nice and quiet and comfortable. There's cars in there that 336 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 3: are very good for crossing constants, because my wife and 337 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: I love road. 338 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 4: Trips, and it's nice and quiet and comfortable as well. 339 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: There's cars in there which are incredibly good at alpine tools, 340 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 3: so they're stripped out, very very raw, and it is 341 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: literally all about that experience being on that alpine pass 342 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 3: on rough terrain, rough roads. And then there are cars 343 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: in there which are very good at just being track 344 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: cars so still street legal, so I can get to 345 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: the track without having. 346 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 4: To trailer cars my idea of a night there. 347 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 3: And there are also race cars, so so essentially there's 348 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: there's a very eclectic mix, even though it's all one brand. 349 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: When you love to have a garage like that pool 350 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: literally like I'd like for to go to the Alps, 351 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: but I also want one for a bit of a 352 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: road trip to that concept on the weekend. That would 353 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: be fun. 354 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, I I totally appreciate how fortunately 355 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 3: this fortunate I am, and and it is certainly a 356 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: little bit absurd for sure, but I think, I think, 357 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: I think the main thing is that in my view, 358 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: cars cars have to cars have to appeal to a 359 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: mass audience. They need to they need to be good 360 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: at everything in order to appeal to a mass audience 361 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 3: and and and make the shareholders happy. 362 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 4: But the truth is we're all unique individuals with a 363 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 4: unique different requirements. 364 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: And so there's nothing I think more personal than making 365 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: your car the true truest representation of what driving really 366 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: means to use an individual so yeah, so so so, 367 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: and and it also makes an undiluted experience. It means 368 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 3: it's not compromised that one thing or another. When I 369 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: go to the racetrack, I know that this car was 370 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: built to do that task to the utmost. And when 371 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: I'm crossing the continent with the Misses for a holiday, 372 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: I know that car is perfect for that job and uncompromised. 373 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 5: Also, what do you reckon about like Singer and some 374 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 5: of the people that are now doing ev conversions of classics. 375 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 5: Do you reckon that that that stuff ruins what should 376 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 5: be a vehicle that stays as it is? Or do 377 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 5: you think that that you know when it comes to 378 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 5: whatever someone wants to do to a car, that there 379 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 5: really is no wrong choice. 380 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 4: To be honest with you, my view is your car, 381 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 4: your rules. 382 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: I think that we spend a lot, we spend a 383 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 3: little bit too much time criticizing other parts, other people 384 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: and always having to express the point of view. And 385 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: sometimes we don't have to have a point of view 386 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: on anything. But yeah, I mean, you know, I think Singer, 387 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: what Singer do is is brilliant. The quality of their 388 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 3: craftsmanship is absolutely fantastic, roof you know, all of them. 389 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 4: It's it's very it's a very interesting space. But it 390 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 4: just it's it's a very different world. 391 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: I mean, when when I started, the first nine eleven 392 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: I bought was for seven thousand pounds, you know, and 393 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 3: it was a ninety six four. It was six four 394 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: when I bought that because I couldn't afford a nine 395 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 3: ninety six and also because I preferred the classic car. 396 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: And it meant because it was a cheap car, it 397 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 3: meant that we could go on circuit, you could chuck 398 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 3: it into a wall, you could rebuild it with parts 399 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 3: from the scrap heap, because there were there were loads 400 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: of parts of that time. 401 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 4: Especially that, and it didn't owe you very much. Sorry, yeah, 402 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 4: it didn't owe you very much. 403 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 3: So so the world has has suddenly changed, and it's 404 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 3: just it's just funny how you know, to me, a 405 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 3: nine six four is a is a seven grand car. 406 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 3: It's a car that you can modify without having to 407 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 3: worry about originality. It's a car that you can take 408 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 3: the track and if you crash it, it's not the 409 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: end of the world. And all of a sudden, you know, 410 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 3: they're they're all of a sudden, it's been a while now, 411 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 3: but they're being turned into two singers with with much 412 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: higher price tagers than seven thousand pounds. So it's it's 413 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: it's it's interesting to see how that car is chap 414 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: that car has has turned around. 415 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 4: And the nine six four is a really interesting model. 416 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: It came out in the nineties or the time of 417 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 3: a recession, so they weren't very they weren't sold in 418 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: big numbers, so they're relatively rare and and a lot 419 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 3: of them fell into disrepair because we people weren't willing 420 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 3: to spend the money on a car that was. 421 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 4: Worth so little. 422 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: And they also suffered from dull mauth flywheel issues in 423 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 3: the first year, and they had no head seating gaskets, 424 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: so the then they meat a lot of all so. 425 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 4: They got all immediately bad pressed. So again it was. 426 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: Just more more salt to the wound for once of 427 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 3: a better expression when it came to the when it 428 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: came to the nicest four becoming the dog of the 429 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 3: nine eleven one that nobody wanted, nobody wanted, whereas a 430 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: nine nine to three was a car that everybody loved 431 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 3: from day one and never lost. I don't know so 432 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 3: much value, but yeah, but it's just interesting to see 433 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 3: how the nine sex four was really has really turned 434 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 3: around in that way in the nine eleven world, and 435 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: it's certainly one of my absolute favorite models. 436 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 4: I think it's a brilliant, brilliant car. 437 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 5: Isn't it crazy how car prices have gone through the 438 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 5: roof and cars that were ship boxers are now incredibly expensive. 439 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: Does that change what you want to do with the car? 440 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 5: I mean previously, if you know a car that you 441 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 5: bought was seven pounds, would you want to actually go 442 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 5: out and drive that car? Now if it's a it's 443 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 5: a fIF fifty thousand pound car, now, I mean does 444 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 5: that change your frame of mind? 445 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: Depending on what it's actually worth on the. 446 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 4: Market, Yeah, it does. It does for Cuddain people for sure. 447 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there was a time which is a 448 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 3: brilliant circut in Belgium. If you haven't heard of it, 449 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 3: it's it's got to be one of my favorite. It's 450 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 3: got to be my favorite racetrack full stop. 451 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 4: It's just got. 452 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: Everything off Canber's gradient changes all the rest of it. 453 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 3: At one end of the track, it can be raining, 454 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 3: the other end of it, it's it's it's sunshine. And anyway, 455 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 3: we used to do like a pilgrimage over there from England, 456 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 3: driving straight over and we'd be a group of I 457 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: don't know, fifteen twenty nine six fours and by the 458 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 3: time all the guards from Europe had joined us as well, 459 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 3: we'd be like thirty forty And there was a time 460 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 3: when there was like thirty forty nine six fours all 461 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: on circuit, you know, going up a rouge which is 462 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 3: which is, which is an amazing straight and it'd be 463 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 3: like watching skits what was going up aslide, you know, 464 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 3: all these amazing colors and I mean those were those 465 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 3: were those that was. There was a great time. That 466 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 3: was really really great time. It to be two days 467 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 3: on circuit and you just don't see that anymore. You know, 468 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: people are much more protective of their cars because of 469 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 3: the values and I totally get that, I absolutely get that, 470 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 3: but it is it is a bit of a shame 471 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, these cars are 472 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: meant for driving, and they are they they should be used. 473 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 3: But then again, like I've said before, you know, I 474 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 3: don't want to pass opinion. You know what's called everybody 475 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: has has a different take on how to enjoy a car, 476 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: And yeah, my opinion is I just I just want 477 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 3: to drive endlessly and regardless of the value of the 478 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: cars ensured, the car's insured and if something goes wrong, 479 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 3: well you know that's what insurance is there for. 480 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you ever go outside the realm of the 481 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: nine to elevens? Like, you know, I've got a soft 482 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: spot for say the nine two four for instance, talk 483 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: about a bad press that's kind of known as the 484 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: the ugly Porsche, the poor Man's Porsche, the everything under 485 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: the sun. I just think there's something really cool and 486 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: individual about it. But yeah, do you ever sort of 487 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: go outside the nine eleven? 488 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 4: Yeah? Do I ever go outside of nine eleven? Well, 489 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 4: I guess the the only Porsche that I've owned that's no. 490 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 3: Nine to eleven is that kN And then a couple 491 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: of three five sixes and I've still got a beast 492 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 3: or knocking about, but no, not enough, not enough. I mean, 493 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: I'd love to get hold of a nine to eight 494 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 3: at some point. Another I'd love to get hold of 495 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 3: like a first gen Kman and build like a real 496 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 3: hot rod out of that. I think that'd be a 497 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: lot of fun. But I think, you know you're there's 498 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: there's some great Porsches out there, and I think what's 499 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: awesome about the band is about the brand is that 500 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 3: it's a very inclusive one. You know, some some cars 501 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 3: like Lambaghiniese or Ferraris, if you're talking other exotic cars, 502 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 3: the point of entry is so expensive that it is 503 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 3: prohibitive for a lot of people. Whereas with Porsches you 504 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 3: get everything from like a three grand Boxter all the 505 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 3: way up to a multimillion pound collector cut. And I 506 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 3: think that's really really awesome because it equalizes. It becomes 507 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: a great equalizer, and you meet people from all different 508 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 3: walks of life, and they're all great cars. You know, 509 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 3: a three grand, four grand Boxer is a beautifu full 510 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 3: balanced car. And the first gens I think are really 511 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: starting to come into their own. I remember, and also 512 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 3: the end of the day. It's not what you drive, 513 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 3: it's how you drive it. Remember there was a rod, 514 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: there was a There was a breakfast run that I 515 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 3: did with a bunch of guys, and one of the 516 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 3: guys send me a message saying, listen, I see there's 517 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 3: a lot of bunch of airport cars and really nice 518 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: you know, nine elevens, this, that the other. But I 519 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 3: was thinking of coming and my boxer is that okay? 520 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, of course, you know it's 521 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 3: got If it's Porsche and you love it and you've 522 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 3: got the right attitude, that's the most important thing. 523 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, come along. 524 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 3: And true enough, he overtook a nine ninety six Turbo 525 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: on the outside going up Snake Hill, coming. 526 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 4: Out of a little village called Broadway. 527 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 3: And it turns out basically that the car is highly modified, 528 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: it's got owners. 529 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 4: He tracks it all the time, takes it to the 530 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 4: merburg Ring, and he really knows what he's doing. 531 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: And that's the point I think for me, like Porsche 532 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 3: is a very inclusive brand, it's all about the people 533 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 3: and the stuff that really really gets under my skin 534 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 3: is the cars that have a story and the owners 535 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 3: that have a story. You know, and that guy's enthusiasm 536 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 3: for me is something that's that's palpable and infectious, and 537 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 3: that's what I want to be surrounded by. 538 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 4: It's you know, enthusiasts and industry. 539 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 3: Professionals that have a real passion and real passion that 540 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 3: rubs off onto me. 541 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so cool to hear you talk so passionately 542 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: about these cars too, and I just closing up. I 543 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: know personally, like I had a Cayman, which is cops 544 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: in a lot of bad flak as well amongst the 545 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: purists and stuff like that, but for me, by by 546 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: all means, I remember jumping in that thinking this was 547 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: the best car I've ever driven, and then after a 548 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: while you realize, like you kind of have to know 549 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: how to drive these these cars a little bit because 550 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: that you realize they're not perfect. But that's the sort 551 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: of charm of it. It's kind of like I'm trying 552 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: to I tried to describe to a friend of mine, 553 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: and it's kind of like listening to a like a 554 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: Rolling Stones track. There's like the Stones aren't perfect, like 555 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: they're pretty loosey goosey, but that's the charm and that's 556 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: how they work. Really well, and I think especially some 557 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: of the old classics. I think that's you know, the 558 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: chart of an old card, do you know what I mean? 559 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 4: For sure? For sure, I think old new. 560 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 3: Whatever it is, the most important thing is it puts 561 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 3: a smile on your face. You know, it doesn't matter 562 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: what anybody else thinks. The important thing is you're the 563 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: one who's behind the stewing world. And if it puts 564 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 3: a smile on your face, that's all it's necessary. Everything 565 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 3: else is bullshit. 566 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: Really yeah, mate, we will let you go, and no doubt, 567 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm going to try and sneak into 568 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: Box and Guests sometime and check out. 569 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 4: Definitely. 570 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: Well, we've we've got our annual event next year, so 571 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 3: that's really the time to come. And you know, Duck 572 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 3: in Whale the Porsche magazine, I have been one of 573 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 3: our sponsors for the last couple of years, so yeah, 574 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 3: definitely pick up that magazine and have a. 575 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 4: Look at the report from last year's edition. Yeah. 576 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, the photography in that is amazing, breathtaking. Oh he's great, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 577 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having a chat with this mate. 578 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. 579 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 4: No, absolutely pleasure. Thank you for having me on and 580 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 4: I appreciate the time. 581 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: A legend, very down to earth and super nice guy. 582 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: I know, I couldn't help it. Secretly think Jesus, do 583 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: you think you'll give me one for free? Do you 584 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: think like you'll go No? 585 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 5: No, no, Well he may have felt sorry for Cayman. 586 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that car. I still love it. I'm 587 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: going to buy another. 588 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: No, I know they're they're really good. I was thinking 589 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: about getting my wife on as well. 590 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: Hairdresser or Cayman. What's wrong with the Cayman? Nothing? Nothing. 591 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 5: There's like a there's a hook that you could put 592 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 5: handbag shopping, like all that sort of stuff just rests 593 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 5: on that hook. 594 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 4: Really good. 595 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know that irony is if we were 596 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: to put that next to your fully sick commodore, it 597 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: was dusty. 598 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 599 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: Did they still actually? You know what the I know 600 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: with the Commodores that you had is they were cup holders, 601 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: but they're actually very good at holding your mountain dew 602 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: bottle that had been turned into a bomb. 603 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. 604 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: Listen, before we go, we got some like admin house cleaning, 605 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: housekeeping stuff to do house cleaning. 606 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. 607 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: You've got your maid and I'm just leaving a Paula 608 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: my owe Phiel. 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