1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: What a weekend it's been. Now joining me live in 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: the studio. Well we are minus Thomas Morgan today from 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: the ABC, unfortunately he was sent out on a job. 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: But please to say my political panel this morning. Matt Cunningham, 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Sky News, Good morning to you, get a sitting in 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: the Tory corner, Katline Gozola from nine US daw and 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: good morning to you. 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: What a weekend we recovered? 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: That is the question. 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: Well, really, I don't know. I don't know that we 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: have now. I think we all knew that it was 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 2: going on. 13 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: A shell acking was on the cards, but did we 14 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: think that it was going to be just as extensive 15 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: as what it seems to be. 16 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,959 Speaker 2: I know, numbers still coming through. 17 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: But at this point in time, it's looking as though 18 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: the COLP is going to have sixteen seats, a few 19 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: of those seats still undecided. The Labor Party reduced at 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: this point in time to four those seats out in 21 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: the bush, but Nightcliff is looking like a fairly possible 22 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: gain for Labor. I guess we're still waiting to see. 23 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: But what did you to make of it all? Oh? 24 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 4: It was incredible how early it all came in, that 25 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 4: the swing was definitely on. I think as the campaign 26 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 4: wore on, I was more and more convinced the CLP 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 4: were going to win. But I certainly didn't expect it 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 4: to be as comprehensive as it was. 29 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: I mean, you saw some of those numbers. 30 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 4: In the fact that Nightcliff, the safest seat for Labor 31 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 4: in the Northern Territory. 32 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: Is now in doubt. It is pretty incredible. 33 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: Really, oh look extraordinary. 34 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 5: I mean yeah, I think we always knew that this 35 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 5: was a potential outcome. I mean that the potential outcomes 36 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 5: were from sort of it's going to be close ish, 37 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 5: there might be a hung parliament too, there's going to 38 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 5: be a CLP landslide. 39 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 6: You and I were talking about this off air last week, Wolfie, and. 40 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 5: You know, I reckon your listeners are a great gauge 41 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 5: of where swinging voters are out in the Northern Territory. 42 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 5: And before the twenty sixteen election they were apoplectic about 43 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 5: the CLP government and the CLP government ended up with 44 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 5: two seats, and before this election and you can tell me, 45 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 5: but for how long has your text line and your 46 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 5: callback line and everything being just inundated with people who 47 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 5: are absolutely at their wits end about the Labor government 48 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 5: and about its inability to deal with the number one 49 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 5: issue that should be the priority for any government, which 50 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 5: is to keep its citizens safe. 51 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 6: It has been. 52 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 5: Unable to do that. Crime is literally out of control. 53 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 5: I know people like to say that that is a 54 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 5: beat up. It's here, I'm looking at the Martin Dole 55 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 5: grab in front of me on the screen. 56 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: Here. 57 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 5: I mean that says everything. That the crime rate has 58 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 5: tripled in five years. No government can have a crime 59 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 5: rate triple in five years do nothing about it. In fact, 60 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 5: in some cases go the other way and expect to 61 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 5: be re elected. And that is why that label were 62 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 5: kicked out on the ear on the weekend. And I 63 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 5: just hope that Labor learns the lessons from this election loss. 64 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 5: And the lesson from this election loss is not that 65 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 5: you didn't ban fracking. I'll give you the heads up 66 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 5: right now. 67 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: You know. 68 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 5: The lesson from this election loss is that you didn't 69 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 5: protect your law abiding. 70 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 6: Citizens, and that is why we're in the position we're 71 00:02:59,680 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 6: in now. 72 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: It was still you didn't listen to them when they 73 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: raised it as a concern. In fact, at different times 74 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: you gas lit them and you made them feel like 75 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: they weren't smart enough to understand those issues. So not 76 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: only did people feel upset, but they felt infuriated and 77 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: they took to the government with a bat. 78 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 4: I mean at weekend, being at press conferences so often, 79 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 4: and Matt would attest to this. I remember standing out 80 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 4: the front of the Wallage Primary School when it had 81 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 4: been absolutely trashed, when it had been broken into, and 82 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: that wouldn't have happened in my career as a journalist. 83 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: It might have happened earlier on, I'm not sure, and 84 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 4: standing there with Michael Gunner and a police officer and 85 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: we had been reporting on crime every single day for weeks, 86 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 4: and they would not acknowledge that there was clearly an 87 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 4: issue happening. And that was back twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, 88 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 4: and still they just how long did it take for 89 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 4: them to actually admit that there was something? 90 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 5: Well, it really took until Eve Laula was Chief Minister 91 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 5: for them to actually admit it was an issue and 92 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 5: then try to do something it. I heard one extraordinary 93 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 5: bit of commentary yesterday that suggested it was Eva Lawler's 94 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 5: lurch to the right that had cost labor. That meant 95 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 5: that labor had been wiped out in all of the 96 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 5: major centers. I mean seriously. Eva Lawler in December last 97 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 5: year tried to bring the Labor Party back to the center, 98 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 5: tried to bring them back to the position where Claire 99 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 5: Martin and Paul Henderson had had them for twelve years 100 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 5: when they won three elections in a row because they 101 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 5: were pro development, they weren't soft on crime. They were 102 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 5: a center of the center of the road government that really, 103 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 5: and they dominated the center. They dominated the northern suburbs 104 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 5: because they were seen as a sensible, middle of the 105 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 5: road option, and they became something very different, particularly after 106 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 5: May twenty twenty two. You know, you had crime absolutely 107 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 5: out of control in Alice Springs and they were letting 108 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 5: alcohol back into Aboriginal town camps. And when all the 109 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 5: evidence said that that was a disaster, they didn't change 110 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 5: their minds. 111 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 4: Still pedaled the line of it being a racist policy 112 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 4: without listening to the indigenous groups who were saying, don't 113 00:04:59,560 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 4: do this. 114 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 115 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: Well, and look, I think if there was ever a 116 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: lesson to be learned, it's that you have to listen 117 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: to what voters are telling you, whether you like the 118 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: message that they're delivering or not. 119 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: You actually have to listen to what. 120 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: They are saying, otherwise they'll do exactly what territorianes did 121 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: on the weekend. 122 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 5: And even listen to their own Some of the senior 123 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 5: figures from their own party who haven't, I mean plenty 124 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 5: of them have been saying this to us privately, but 125 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 5: they've been saying it publicly as well. Marian Scrimger has 126 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 5: been the biggest critic of this government and it's law 127 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 5: and auto policy publicly. Combat scholars publicly begged this government 128 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 5: to do. 129 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: These are like. 130 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 5: Senior figures, former senior ministers from from a successful labor administration. 131 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: And they ignored. 132 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 5: They were ignored by people who for some reason thought 133 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 5: they knew better. And I don't know why. 134 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: I don't really understand it either, and I I can't 135 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: begin to, like, I actually know what it's like to 136 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: work for a minister under you know, the. 137 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 6: Former the government. 138 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: I worked for Rob Knight, who is the Housing Minister 139 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: of the day, and I've said it before on E 140 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: I know what it's like to work from minister when 141 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: you're on the ropes right and when you feel like 142 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: every step that you take you're getting knocked down because 143 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: it's not going your way. So I understand how the 144 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: government might have started to feel. But if you close 145 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: yourself off then from normal people, and you close yourself 146 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: off and you don't make any changes to the way 147 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: in which you're doing things, it infuriates people. I mean, 148 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: and we've seen that, We've heard it. I've been hearing it. 149 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: It's like, to be honest, it's been a huge emotional 150 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: toll on my shoulders doing this show every day for 151 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 1: a number of years, because you know that every single 152 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: day that you come in you're going to be speaking 153 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: to people who have been traumatized by different crimes, not 154 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: just you know, a break in here or there. People 155 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: have had their homes invaded and they've been held. 156 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 5: Up by that's exactly cure and exactly even that didn't 157 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 5: appear to spark any great change. You remember when Decklan 158 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 5: Lavity was killed and they did a review of bail 159 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 5: came back within about. 160 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: Said, see here was unbelieving. 161 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 4: It was absolutely unbelieving in the man, the young man 162 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: who was killed on his motorbike in Alice Springs. 163 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, hit by style. 164 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I didn't mean. 165 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: When you look back at some of the incidents that 166 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: have occurred. It's actually been incredibly sad and incredibly sad 167 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: that we've kind of we've reached a point to where 168 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are losing hope. And 169 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: I do hope that the air of optimism that's in 170 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: the room now right around the Northern Territory, where people 171 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: are feeling like they've got a little bit of hope 172 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: again in Leofanocchiaro, I hope that she not only capitalizes 173 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: on that, but she does seem to have hit the 174 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: ground running. I me meeting with the Police Commissioner yesterday 175 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: and also meeting with the Ken Davies, the CEO of 176 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister in cabinet. I mean, what do we 177 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: think of these first hundred days, what do you think 178 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: we're going to realistically need to see? 179 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 4: Really does need to hit the ground running and actually 180 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 4: make some strides. I think in twenty sixteen, certainly Labor 181 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 4: probably had a lot of good will towards them given 182 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: what we'd experienced the four years. So there was obviously 183 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 4: that honeymoon period, and I mean there always is, of 184 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: course as they try and get on their feet, and 185 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 4: especially with quite an inexperienced team now, but there will 186 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 4: need to be some success. I think we've obviously seen 187 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 4: with the voter turnout that people are so disillusioned with 188 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 4: politics and have very little faith in their elected officials. 189 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 4: So they'll definitely need to make some strides for sure. 190 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 5: I think a really important thing I heard your interview 191 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 5: with Leah a minute ago, Katie, and Parliament maybe won't 192 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 5: sit until October, so those legislative changes won't come in 193 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 5: till end. But I mean the number one thing that 194 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 5: she can do between now and then is try to 195 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 5: restore police morale, because that is the other issue that 196 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 5: has really been devastating the Northern territory. I mean, police, 197 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 5: I think have been working to rule at some point 198 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 5: because they've been so disillusioned by the way that they 199 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 5: have been treated. I mean, we saw morale reach a 200 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 5: new low under Jamie Chalker as the police commissioner. Then 201 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 5: you saw Natasha Files and Kate Wooden absolutely botch his 202 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 5: removal from the position, which probably made things even worse. 203 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 5: You know, Michael Murphy has been trying to improve morale, 204 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 5: but I think I don't think he's really been able 205 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 5: to do that successfully at this stage. You know, that's 206 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 5: the number one thing that needs to change because I 207 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 5: mean the other thing is as well as his crime issue, 208 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 5: we're having an issue where you know, and we've all 209 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 5: been victims of crime, getting a police officer to attend 210 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 5: when you've been a crime is just like you know, 211 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 5: people are on hold to triple oh sometimes for five 212 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 5: ten minutes. They don't even bother calling one three one 213 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 5: triple four because. 214 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 6: You know you're not going to get through it through. 215 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 5: I mean, it's just you know, the crime rights crime 216 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 5: rate is probably even higher than what's being reported because 217 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 5: people have given up reporting crime unless your life's literally 218 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 5: in danger. 219 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 3: Do you just. 220 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 2: Sometimes that's right? 221 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: Look, well, take a really quick break, but when we 222 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: come back, I want to go through these seats and 223 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: want to take a bit of a closer look at 224 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: the ones that are still undecided. You are listening to 225 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: mix one O four nine's three sixty if you have 226 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: just joined us in the studio with me this morning 227 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: on three sixty Kathleen Gazola, executive producer of nine News 228 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: Starwin and Matt Cunningham, Sky news bureau chief for the 229 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: Northern Territory breaking down really and having a closer look 230 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: at the results of the Northern Territory election and just 231 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: sort of going through all these numbers. One thing I 232 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: will say is that on Saturday, as the numbers were 233 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: starting to flow through, well, unfortunately they sort of didn't 234 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: start flowing through for quite some time. 235 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: The Electoral Commission seemed to be on the back foot for. 236 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: Some reason, or it felt that way for some reason 237 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: in terms of those numbers coming through. 238 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 2: I don't know what it was like for you guys, 239 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: because you were sort of out on the scene. 240 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: I was, at least just in a studio at home 241 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: waiting for those numbers to come through. 242 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, we were sort of scratching our heads, having to 243 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 4: go off just literally information from scrutinayers out at voting 244 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 4: peally and you can't completely rely on those being not 245 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 4: official numbers, so we're just constantly refreshing the site trying 246 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 4: to get some count. 247 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. 248 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 6: It was terrible, I mean yeah. 249 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 5: And the other thing, Katie, is that they got the 250 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 5: throws wrong in so many of the seats, and you know, 251 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 5: like blind Freddie could tell you, in some of these 252 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 5: seats it wasn't going to be seal P versus ALP, 253 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 5: but that's how they had to throw, and that's how 254 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 5: they still had to throw on Sunday. You know, yesterday, 255 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 5: if you looked at the NTec website yesterday you had 256 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 5: Joel Bout and Winning Johnston and you Brent Potter clearly. 257 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 6: Winning messaging me going what's going on? It's like that 258 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 6: the NTC has stuffed this up. 259 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: Well, we've still got people messaging this morning about just that, 260 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: wondering exactly what the situation. 261 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 5: If you want to know what's going on, don't look 262 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 5: at the NTC website. And isn't that bizarre advice to 263 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 5: give people? But they really stuffed this up. They've stuffed 264 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 5: it up badly. People, labor people were annoyed about it. 265 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 5: CLP people were apoplectic about it. Everyone has just said that, 266 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 5: like they need to work this out. They need to 267 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 5: do better, because really you've got one job every four 268 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 5: years and you need to get it right. 269 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 6: And they were atrocious on Saturday. 270 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 2: And look, we will make sure that we do. 271 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: We've actually got the Electoral Commissioner on just after ten 272 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: o'clock this morning. 273 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: Over the phone, tell us how you really feel. 274 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 6: I'm telling you this morning. 275 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: People are still messaging about this and they are still 276 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: like going, Wolfe, what's going on in Fanny Bay? And Nightcliff. 277 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: So look what I'll do is something that I don't 278 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: often do. And let's have a look at the ABC. 279 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: Tom Morgan, I will say, done a stellar job over 280 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: the course of the weekend. And I know he's been 281 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: he was keen to come on this morning. He's done. 282 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 6: He knows Tom. 283 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 5: He thinks about politics and he thinks about it from 284 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 5: an objective point of view, and I. 285 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: Just yeah, he does. 286 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 6: He does a good job. He does a good job well. 287 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 2: And look, let's have a look at these. Let's go 288 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: through all the seats. What do you reckon now? 289 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: Our few labor retaining that one, which I think we 290 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: all anticipated would happen. Aara Lewin of course, Robin Lamley 291 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: are retaining that seat, and a swing awards Robin fourteen 292 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: point seven percent. Robin is a bloody strong local member. 293 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: There is no other way to put it. 294 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 2: She stands up for a community. 295 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 5: You will just about and no surprise is there really 296 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 5: because last I mean she was hurt last time because 297 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 5: of the fact that she ran as a Territory Alliance candidate. 298 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 5: I think in her heart of heart she might regret 299 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 5: that move. But I mean as an independent that seats 300 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 5: Robin's for until she retires. 301 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, she's done phenomenally. 302 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: Well, now just taking you across to where shall I 303 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: go next? To Arnam, that's one that Labor has retained. 304 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: Now that Barclay was an interesting one because if you 305 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: listen to people from the Labor Party, they thought that 306 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: they were a chance of taking this from the CLP. 307 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: Well they haven't by the look of it. A one 308 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: point seven percent swing to the COLP. It's not a 309 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: huge amount by the look of it. Forty two point 310 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: eight percent of those votes counted. 311 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 4: Apparently the COLP is still watching that as in play. 312 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 5: Might That result though, is testament to how hard Steve 313 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 5: Eedgington's worked over the last four years, because well, I 314 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 5: think Labor were right to be confident about that seat 315 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 5: extra enrollment because of the voice referendum, strong candidate up 316 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 5: and Borol. 317 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: Well, look, Blaine, that's one that I did think was 318 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: going to go to the CLP, and it has. They've 319 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: had a four point one swing towards them in Blaine Braitling. Now, 320 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: that was an interesting one early on in the piece 321 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: because it was looking like the Greens candidate was picking 322 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: up a. 323 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: Few of the votes, but by. 324 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: The look of things when you go across to Black Braitling, 325 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: the COLP is going to retain that sixty one point 326 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: nine percent of the votes counted and a two point 327 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: three percent swing. 328 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: Towards the CLP. Got to tell you, I would have 329 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: been surprised. 330 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: If we'd ended up with a swing towards the Greens 331 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: in Alice Springs. I would have thought that in Alice, 332 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: you know that it was going to remain fairly conservative. 333 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 5: It's one of them. There's that one pocket of Alice 334 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 5: Springs though, that sort of east side pocket that's very green, 335 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 5: anti Pine gap sort of you know sentiments. 336 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 6: Yea. 337 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: Then we went, well, let's go to Brennan. 338 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: I tell you what, Murray clare Boothby are sixty point 339 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: one percent of the vote counted. A twenty two point 340 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: three percent swing towards Murray clare Boothby there in Brennan. 341 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: Now heading across to one of the seats that I 342 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: think Labour certainly thought that they were safe in and 343 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: that is Casharina, an eighteen percent swing towards the COLP, 344 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: and that incumbency really just had no impact whatsoever. 345 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 4: I mean, this is one of those Labor seats that 346 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: clearly crime was the deciding factor that they were never 347 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 4: going to back Labor. The Northern Suburbs is a heartland, 348 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 4: but given the sentiment out there on the ground, to. 349 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 5: Go for a walk through Casina shopping Center, Katie, and 350 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 5: then my wife tells me that she before she walks 351 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 5: into that center, now make sure that she's only carrying 352 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 5: absolutely what she needs and holds it as close to 353 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 5: her as she possibly can. 354 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 4: I know, I specifically choose what entrance I go into. Yeah, 355 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 4: make sure that I look, I've. 356 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: Been there before I left, because I've been there with 357 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: my daughter and thought all things just don't feel right today. 358 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: And I know Sentinel does a lot to try to 359 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: keep things under control. 360 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 4: I've got additional, so much money, so much to pay 361 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 4: on absolutely. 362 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: You know we've spoken about that last week with Warren Ebbertt. 363 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, so a big swing away from the Labor 364 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: party in Casarina Daily. Of course, Labor retaining the seat 365 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: of Daily Drysdale, Now, this is one that I think 366 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: Labor had an inkling. 367 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,359 Speaker 2: I reckon that they were going. 368 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: To lose Drysdale, that the Chief Minister wasn't going to win. 369 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: I just don't know that they thought it was going 370 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: to be the shellaking that it was. 371 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 4: Well, you could see the pressure certainly get on top 372 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 4: of even Laura's shoulders by the end of last week, 373 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 4: given that she had received that question from media about 374 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 4: what would you do if you lose your seat or 375 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 4: who's going to be the leader of the Labor Party 376 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: if you lose? 377 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: And she didn't like that answer that Friday. 378 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 5: Can I say that there were some bad predictions before 379 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 5: the election, but the worst of them was Kay Warden 380 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 5: here on Friday who said that Eva said that Lea 381 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 5: Finocchiaro was going to lose her. 382 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 3: Seat, and then Eva followed that up. 383 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: It was your new Things were getting a bit desperate, 384 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: didn't you when that call was made? 385 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 4: But certainly a Labor person said to me they lost, 386 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 4: that they were screwed. 387 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: That's right. 388 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: Well, then, Fanny Bay, now this is one that's still 389 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: incredibly interesting. So at this point in time, you'd be 390 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: absolutely spewing if you were Lori Zeo for the COLP, 391 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: because she is leading astronomically on primary votes. She's picked 392 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: up Oney six hundred and twenty nine of the primary votes. 393 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: Suki Doris Walker is on Oney one hundred and fifty one. 394 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: Now Brent Potter on one thy one hundred and thirteen. Now, 395 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: what I'm being told at this point is what they're 396 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: waiting to see is if Brent skips in front of 397 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: Suki on those primary votes, and then that's where the 398 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: vote count will change, the preferences will change, and that's 399 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: where we may end up seeing Brent Potter retain that seat. 400 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 5: Well, this is where it would be easy to get 401 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 5: a misguided view about what's happened at this election. I mean, 402 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 5: this is not a backlash against Labor because they've gone 403 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 5: too far to the right, backlash because you know, they 404 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 5: didn't banfracking. 405 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 6: All who it was. 406 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 5: The Greens are a chance of winning this seat because 407 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 5: Labor has lost so much of its vote to the 408 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 5: CLP candidate that the Greens have gone ahead of them. 409 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 410 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 5: Right, And so now it's Brent Potter's preferences that are 411 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 5: putting the Greens ahead of the CLP. 412 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 413 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 6: If he can get sneak back. 414 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 5: To second, then the Green preferences will get him ahead 415 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 5: of the CLP. You're right, You're right about laurie' z 416 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 5: what what an amazing performance in a seat that Labor 417 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 5: has held since nineteen ninety five, I think Claire Martin's seat, 418 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 5: Michael Gunner's seat, and she poled forty percent of the 419 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 5: primary vote. 420 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: I'd be devastated if I was here this morning. And Laurie, 421 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: if you're out there listening, I mean, good on you, oney, 422 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: six hundred and twenty nine primary votes, like that's actually 423 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: astronomical the way that she's clawed back funny Bay. And 424 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: you'd be spewing if you were then to lose it 425 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: on preferences, wouldn't you. Well, yeah, well I did Stephen 426 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: Brady getting. 427 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 4: Across your line by elections as well as Greens popped 428 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 4: up Potter place. 429 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: And I mean, but she's she's five hundred odd votes 430 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: in front, you know, and then she's going to get 431 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: Stephen Bradbreed. 432 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: Not on mate, it'd be spewing anyway. Fong Limb. 433 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: Well, Tansel's annihilated Mark Monaghan there, Goida. Now that was 434 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: one that I think we're all starting to get a 435 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: sense that the COLP candidate Andrew McKay was going to 436 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 1: come out on top, and he certainly did. Gorgia Chancey 437 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: Paigs obviously won that one. Now Johnson another interesting one. 438 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: What do we think is going to happen here. Gary 439 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: Strachan in front on primary votes according to the NTC 440 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: one thousand, two hundred and ninety votes, Justine Davis one thy, 441 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty. Joel Bowden has not broken the 442 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: one thousand vote mark at this point. 443 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 6: The independent home in that seat. 444 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 5: But again, Gary Strachan I think has got thirty five 445 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 5: percent of the vote. You go back to the by 446 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 5: election in twenty twenty and the CLP got eighteen percent 447 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 5: of the primary vote in that seat, So that's where 448 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 5: a lot of the vote is going. And I think 449 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 5: you know, Joel Bowden's got twenty six percent of the 450 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 5: primary vote. That's one of Labour's traditionally safest seats. They've 451 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 5: been absolutely smashed in that seat. I think Joel Bowden's 452 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 5: primary votes have halved since the last election. 453 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: It's astronomical. 454 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: Then, I mean going to Karama Brian O'Gallagher again just 455 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: walloping Narri r Kish. I mean he was on Oney 456 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty eight votes, she got eight hundred 457 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: and sixty eight primary votes and absolute walloping. 458 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 5: And again but again I mean where are the crime 459 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 5: issues biting most? 460 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: That's exactly right, Like I'm not surprised Catherine. Of course, 461 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: Joe Hersey winning that one. Mulka yinya, Mark Goula. Interestingly, 462 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: Alan Fanning still picking up six hundred and thirty seven. 463 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: Votes, and I think he was a bit of a 464 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: just a standing was. 465 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 6: I disclaimer that Al is a made of mine. 466 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: But he. 467 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 6: Lives in lad Miller. 468 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: He was, he did used to. 469 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 5: He did once live in Nolan Boys, so he's known 470 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 5: over there. But he did just put his head up 471 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 5: so they but when the first booth came in, must 472 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 5: have been a Norlan boy both he was in front. 473 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty I. 474 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: Was laughing to myself. Now, Namajira, this is one that 475 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: the CLP thought they were going to pick up. Well, 476 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: they were so far from picking it up. Wasn't funny really? Yeah, 477 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: it truly was. Now Nelson Geron mainly romping it in. 478 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: Now Nightcliff, let's have a look at Nightcliff. This is 479 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: where again things are interesting. So at this point in time, 480 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: Natasha philes well and truly in front on the primary 481 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: vote one thy two hundred and sixty six, Helen's secretary 482 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: and second on eight hundred and eighty six. I guess 483 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: the concern here is that if the Greens candidate Cat 484 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: McNamara jumps in front of Helen's secretary, then that is 485 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: where those those preferences again are going to come into 486 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: client and could see the Green scatteridate wins. 487 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 5: I think the bigger concern and the possible look the 488 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 5: way that the Tasha Fhiles could potentially and it's a 489 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 5: remote possibility, lose his seat is that if the fifth 490 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 5: place Independent, George Mamozulas's preferences push the Independent Milima May 491 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 5: ahead of the Greens, right, then the next round of 492 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 5: preferences would push the Independent ahead of the CLP. And 493 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 5: if it came down to Labor versus the Independent, because 494 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 5: the CLP how to vote card had the Independent ahead 495 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 5: of Labor and then the Greens, that would mean that 496 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 5: Milima May could potentially beat Natasha Philes. I know that 497 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 5: sounds complicated, extraordinary way the preferential voting can work. So 498 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 5: the biggest bigger because the biggest threat to Natasha Philes 499 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 5: at the moment, because the CLP had the Greens ahead 500 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 5: behind Labor yep, but the Independent. If the Independent got 501 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 5: up to second, yeah, then she could go past Labor 502 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 5: on CLP preferences. It's a remote possibility, but that is 503 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 5: the most likely way that Natasha Philes. 504 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 6: Would lose that. 505 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: How soon do you reckon we're going to know with 506 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: that one? 507 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 5: Mass Well, look, someone just texted me and said that 508 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 5: they thought that the ntec's performance on the weekend was 509 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 5: the worst performance they've ever seen by an electoral commission 510 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 5: in an Australian election. So I don't know, but yeah, well, 511 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 5: I mean everyone would hope sooner. 512 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 6: Rather than later. 513 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think we're counting until the sixth or something. 514 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, we will certainly ask Hey Port Darwin, Robin 515 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: Carl again romping it in Sanderson, Now, this was another upset. 516 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: Now when I saw this result start to come through 517 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: on Saturday, Sanderson was where I was starting to see 518 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: that swing and I thought, if Kate Warden's gone, then 519 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: the government can kiss goodbye all of those Northern Suburbs 520 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: seats because she has been a hard working local member. 521 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: Whether you agree with her opinion or not, it certainly 522 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: couldn't argue she hasn't worked hard in that electorate. But yeah, 523 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: Jins and Charles a relative luck unknown unless he'd been 524 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: out there door knocking for you A lot of people 525 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: really not a high profile candidate, and yeah, beating. 526 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 4: Certainly not rolled out by the COLP during the campaign 527 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 4: at all. I mean, yes, Anderson would have been one 528 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 4: of the ones that they thought they were probably going 529 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 4: to keep in the Northern suburbs. 530 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 5: But probably more about Kate Warden being punished for what 531 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 5: was a pretty underwhelming performance as police Minister. 532 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 2: To be honest. 533 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey then of course Spilett I mean Leo Fano 534 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: Guiaro again smashing smashing the ALP candidate, despite what Kate 535 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: Warden had said on the show on Friday about that 536 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: seat being up for grabs. Wan Guri Ollie Carlson, Now, 537 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: when i'd interviewed her, she was very impressive the. 538 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: Same time when I interviewed her in the class as well. 539 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: So I hope that that turns out to be a 540 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: good win. 541 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: There for the COLP. 542 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: But Wan Guri, I mean, I think everybody thought that 543 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: it was a fairly safe labor seat. But I think 544 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: what we've all learned and what we probably for us 545 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: on this panel certainly knew is that nothing's really safe 546 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: when it comes to Northern Territory politics. 547 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 3: And losing that incumbency is a huge hit. 548 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: Say yeah, but look, I actually think you know, I 549 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: suppose in my closing remarks, I would say that you 550 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: cannot take anyone for granted in the Northern territory. And 551 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: I feel that the Labor Party assumed that public servants 552 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: would vote for them, They assumed that people in the 553 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: northern suburbs would vote for them. They didn't necessarily listen 554 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: to what people were saying. But I think when people 555 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: go quiet and they're no longer listening to what you're saying, 556 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: then that's when you've got to be really, really worried. 557 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: And that is indeed what happened. People switched off from 558 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: what the Labor Party was saying. 559 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 4: Well, I even think that the Labor Party didn't even 560 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 4: take any kind of lessons from what the COLP experience 561 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen. It was almost from that day dot 562 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 4: on that Labor government, with their huge majority versus two opposition, 563 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 4: that they kind of just we know better and we've 564 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 4: got this mandate to do X, Y and Z. I mean, 565 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 4: there was still the thought in twenty twenty they were 566 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 4: going to lose, but thanks to COVID. 567 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 3: Kind of got them across the line. 568 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 4: And I just don't think Lee has really been given 569 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 4: enough credit that she was one of the two to 570 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 4: survive and has now reboothing the past. 571 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 5: Who were watching her in parliament nearly five years ago 572 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 5: when Gary Higgins was missing because he was crooked, it 573 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 5: was literally one huge labor. 574 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: I will say there's been some pretty extreme personal attacks 575 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: towards her over the years, borderline at times when I've 576 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: watched Parliament, and Leah can certainly hold her own and 577 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: she can give it as good as she gets it. However, 578 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: some of the attacks that have gone towards her I 579 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: thought had been pretty woeful. And even the you know 580 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: the line that the Northern Territory Labour Party used for 581 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: a long time about talking the territory down, Well, look 582 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: where we are. We're down, we're on our knees, and 583 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: that's where people have decided that they don't want the 584 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: same approach. They want things to be different. 585 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 5: I think some of it's been sexist and some of 586 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 5: it's been ages to be honest. I mean, I remember 587 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 5: at the debate that we had in twenty twenty when 588 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 5: Terry Mills made some pretty ordinary remarks about Leah Finochia 589 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 5: and she gave it back to him with both barrels 590 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 5: at the time, and we saw it again in this campaign. 591 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 5: Leeah's a lightweight. Well you know it fell about as 592 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 5: flat as a French pancake. 593 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 6: Didn't that mean? 594 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 2: Sure? Matt, you're on fire this morning. Mate. Well we 595 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: better leave it there. It could be a three hour 596 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: show for it, so we better leave it there. 597 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, Kathleen Gazola from Channel nine, 598 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: Thank you both so very much for your time. 599 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you.