1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,159 Speaker 1: traditional owners of the land where you, the listener of 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: youer are tuning in from. 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: We would like to pay our respects to our. 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Elders past and present and acknowledged that this always was 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: Aboriginal land and always will be Aboriginal land. Welcome to 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bales. Welcome back 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: to another episode of the Black Magic Woman Podcast. I 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: am here on the beautiful lands of the Gadiger peoples 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: in Sydney, which is quite special to me and I've 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: shared this often on the podcast whenever I'm recording here 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: in Sydney, that there's this kind of long history where 14 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: my family have been here in Redfern, which is Gadigog Country, 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: since the eighteen forties. So whenever I'm here, I feel 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: like I'm home. Even though I live with my family 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: on Kabby Kabby Country up in Queensland, I still don't 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: identify as a Queenslander. 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: People should know that. 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: So today I am joined here on the couch here 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: at Darling Harbor with a beautiful sister, Norelda Jacobs. So 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: can I just say or even arks, if you don't 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: mind introducing yourself, just to share with our listeners and 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: also our viewers on YouTube, tell us a bit about yourself. 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 2: I actually just. 26 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: Was online with Bank West mob delivering training and I said, 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: you not going to believe who I've got coming up 28 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: on my podcast? I said, shelf Hants, who has heard 29 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: of Nearalda Jacobs and all. 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: Of these hands went well, as a West Australian company, 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,639 Speaker 3: There you go, it's Bank West, Bank West. 32 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: So for those for people that don't know you don't 33 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: know your story, do you want to. 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: Share with us? 35 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 4: Yeah? 36 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: But well, first of all, thank you Mondon Nara. I've 37 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: been waiting for my call up for this podcast, that's right, 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: So I'm so happy that this has happened. 39 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 4: I'm from Borloo, Perth born and. 40 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: Bred, West Australian. My dad is Wagajnga. He sadly passed 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 3: away five years ago. 42 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 4: My mum is British. 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: She's Northern Irish and she came out with her parents 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 3: from from Northern Ireland when she was about eight or nine. 45 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 3: Around the same time, my dad was stolen from his 46 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: family and placed in a mission mcgumber Mission they met 47 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 3: as young adults, fell in love. My mum was starting 48 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: a young art church, had started a young art church actually, 49 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: so she was kind of carrying. Her parents are missionaries. 50 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: They came out here to because they were missionaries. 51 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: She was exposed to am yes at a younger age. Yes, 52 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: which is interesting. 53 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 4: Yes, it is interesting. 54 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: How they view us and they're interactions with us. 55 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: Yes, she's a fiercely determined person. She has very she 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 3: has very strong convictions about justice. And I was going 57 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: to say equality, but not all the way equality which 58 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 3: we might get to a bit later. 59 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: Black man racial equality early days and what they would 60 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: have ensured. 61 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so then they fell in love. My mum 62 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: was a pastor of a church. My dad became a Christian, 63 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: went to the church. They you know, I fell in 64 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: love with the pastor. They get married, have five children. 65 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: I'm the youngest of five girls daughters, no brothers. 66 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: I did not know that about that. 67 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, so being the baby, I don't know where do 68 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 4: you sit. 69 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm in the middle where Yerika always says she's in 70 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: the middle, because that's five older than me and three youngest, 71 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: so she's technically the middle. But I still, you know, 72 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: I feel like I was the middle charm because I 73 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: was the one that kind of knowe knew where I was. 74 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: The oldest is always doing everything, The youngest is always 75 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: getting away with everything. 76 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: In the middle change nowhere to be seen. Oh it's 77 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: easy to get up to mischief. 78 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. Right, so it's true what they say about the 79 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: middle the baby And what was the baby in your family? 80 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: Showered with love? 81 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: Definitely? 82 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's my story. 83 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 3: I've been surrounding the baby, right, Yeah. 84 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 4: And so I had a very loving upbringing. Everyone was 85 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 4: always looking after me. 86 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 3: Lots of hugs and you know, lots of you know, 87 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: physical affection and kisses on my cheeks, and there was 88 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: always there was always someone being loving towards me. It 89 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 3: was it was a really beautiful way to grow up. Actually, 90 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: So you know, I have a lot of love to give. 91 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: Maybe as a result, I don't know. And so yeah, 92 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: I have, I've quite a positive outlook on life. 93 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 4: Actually. 94 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: So you grew up been like basically a black household, right, 95 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: And when I took about black house salts, because not 96 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: everybody that's Aboriginal has had that experience to grow up 97 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: in a black house hung Yeah, and that we talk 98 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: about black love and black joy, but that love I 99 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: remember as a kid as well, but also thinking about 100 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: babies that you never let a baby cry. You're always going, 101 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: who's got that baby? Don't let the baby cry. I 102 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: picked the baby up, So that kind of yeah, looking 103 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: after loving even when you're little, you've got a baby 104 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: on your hip. Yes, so yeah, yes, absolutely mean on 105 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: the hip with four big sisters. 106 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: Always, always and we My dad was involved in the 107 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: aberageal politics and so he he would go away to 108 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: Camber quite a lot. 109 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 4: And they were very good with money, my parents. 110 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 3: So they bought a house in suburb in suburban Perth, 111 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: which I thought was. 112 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 4: A really nice part of town, you know, but it. 113 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: Was it was just kind of on the outer suburbs. 114 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: Like when I go past it now, I'm like, oh, 115 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: I thought this was as amazing, you know. Yeah, and 116 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 3: but it was very it was quite a multicultural area, 117 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: uh the but it was very white. It was a 118 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: very white suburb. And we had a shield with a 119 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: spear for our letter box. So when you say black household, 120 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 3: like that's that was what people were greeted when to 121 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 3: come to our home. 122 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 2: It was right. 123 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 4: We were so proud, but you. 124 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: Know, even thinking back now, like you know today, me 125 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: living on the Sunny coast, I won't even put an 126 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: aboriginal flag sticker on my cart having back in the 127 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: Dane Perth, having that letter box, living in a white neighborhood, 128 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: did you experience much kind of you know racism being 129 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: in a blended not not not a blended family. What 130 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: you said, yeah, you've got a white mum and a 131 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: black dad. 132 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 4: Well we mixed a mixed. 133 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: I think I was protected from it because I don't 134 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 3: have a memory of I don't have a lot of 135 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: memories of things like that happening. Yeah, which is like, yeah, 136 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: I mean I was called names at private school because 137 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: it was a white you know primary school. We were 138 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: the only black fellows in the in the school. There 139 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: was one other aboriginal girl in the school actually in 140 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: my year, and that was that we were the only 141 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: black fellows in the whole school. And so there, you know, 142 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,119 Speaker 3: there were there were incidents, but we were fiercely proud 143 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: of our aboriginality. You know, my dad, I would you 144 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: know how you tell news at school? At primary school, 145 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: that was like my favorite thing to do is tell news. 146 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: And once a year I would bring my dad in 147 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: to as the news as like this is my dad, 148 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: he is younger, yeah, and he could play the didgeridoo. Yeah, 149 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: and this is a banksherflower and this is a this 150 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 3: is a boomerang. 151 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 4: And so he would and he would just come and 152 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 4: every year. 153 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: But he was your show in town. 154 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 4: Here was my show and tell. 155 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: But the thing, the thing that makes me last laugh 156 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: now is that you know, during primary school you do 157 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: each year with the same kids. So they got it 158 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: again and again and again and again and again, threw 159 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: out from year one to GISs of it, and he 160 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: always turned up, always turned up. 161 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:06,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was great. 162 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: And even now with my own daughter going through primary school, 163 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: he would also turn up for her, which is just 164 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: such a beautiful thing that Jade has those memories of 165 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: pop being at her school assembly doing the welcomes, painting 166 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: children's faces like it is. It's a really beautiful thing, 167 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: like to have seen that through the eyes of a mother, 168 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: that there's a you know that my dad was able 169 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 3: to do it for his grandchild and his grandchildren. 170 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 4: It was that's gorgeous. 171 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: I was going to say in terms of like with schooling, 172 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: did you finish year twelve? Because other an eight sisters 173 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: and my older sister Elaine finished high school, and then 174 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: there's four that didn't. 175 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,599 Speaker 2: Then there's me and then the three under been and 176 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: why did it? But and our kid did. So I 177 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: remember my dad saying to me. 178 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: Out of because my mom and dad had five daughters together, 179 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: and he said in a if you finish your twelve, 180 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: I'll take you anywhere in the world. The only reason 181 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: why I graduated really where did you go? 182 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: I went to Fiji? Wasn't that far away? Have I 183 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 2: married to Fiji? And I got to Fiji? 184 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 4: That's awesome? 185 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: Spain, I couldn't. I relieved. I could have went to anywhere. 186 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: I could have went to New York, which I still 187 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: haven't been to. But no, I was like Fiji. All 188 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: the photos of the islands in paradise, and I'm like, 189 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: that's why I want to go. 190 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: It was the first and only holiday with my dad. 191 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: You know, eight sisters all growing up in a three 192 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: bedroom house. 193 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, we're quite lucky. 194 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: So I ended up finished time school because Dad said 195 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: I'll take you anywhere around the world. So I was wondering, 196 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: did you end up finishing high school? 197 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 4: I did finish high school. 198 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: Yes, that was that was instilled in us to finish 199 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: school and then. 200 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 4: To go to university. 201 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: It was there were the steps, you know, you did 202 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 3: the steps. You went to school, you went to university 203 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: or some kind of tertiary education red, yeah, some kind 204 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: of high red. And then you you know you My 205 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 3: parents were I did say that they were good with money. 206 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: So they were property buyers, you know, so they saw 207 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: the value in buying land and buying their house and 208 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: not renting it and all those sorts of things. So 209 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: it was like, yeah, finish school, go to tertiary, get 210 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: a job, and buy a house. 211 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 212 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then the rest is well, you. 213 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: Know whatever, you know. 214 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so did you know because most people will know 215 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: your face from Channel ten being on TV. Yeah, and 216 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: for black fellows, we would say that Naralda was one 217 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: of the first blackfaces that we get to see. 218 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: On mainstream hues. 219 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: Like I can turn the TV on the morning and 220 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: there's a black woman looking at me and usually dressed in. 221 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 4: Ooriginal Yeah, I try to. 222 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So there's the fact that you represent, you know, 223 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: on TV as a black woman. But also with all 224 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: of the I've got to do better, right Mimi and Ginder? 225 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: Oh yeah right? 226 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: You when I saw that on you on TV Mara. 227 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: Mara is like a newsreader's staple, blackfellow newsreaders staple or 228 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: TV presenter. Interesting you say that, Mondonara, because I got 229 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 3: my first job at Channel teen in the year two 230 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 3: thousand in Perth, and so I moved to Sydney in. 231 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 4: Twenty twenty and. 232 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 3: I'd already had this huge career as being a news anchor, 233 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: a journo on the road, a reporter and then reading 234 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 3: the Perth News for twelve years before I even moved 235 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: to Sydney. And so I moved to Sydney and I 236 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 3: felt like I had to start from scratch. 237 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 238 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 4: So it's only been in the last three years. 239 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: That people have that I've been able to go, hey 240 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: everyone here I am. 241 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 4: You know, I've got quite a bit of a year years, yes. 242 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the media industry, yeah wow, yeah, but only 243 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 3: the last three on a national level. Yeah, on a 244 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: national scale. And also even though I have been with 245 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: Channel ten for twenty three. 246 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 4: Years, which I didn't know that a lot. 247 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 3: Of people recognized from NI TV. 248 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: From the point. 249 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, brother boy John Paul JP always everyone knows 250 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: jump on JANKI Yeah, on the point. 251 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: So most people recognize you from the point on the point. 252 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: Wow, it's It's fantastic, and especially this year, a lot 253 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 3: of people are tuning into the referendum road trip. 254 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 2: Yes, how is that? 255 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: It's been really good as JP has done some calculations. 256 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: We've done over thirty six thousand kilometers. 257 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: Are you serious? 258 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, recording traveling, Yeah, recording episodes in every state and 259 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: territory we have. This year, we've spoken to to blackfellows 260 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 3: from you know, grassroots community members who are rolling out programs, 261 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 3: to journos, to senators, to company bosses, to tour operators, 262 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: you know, execs at the AFL, tenure Hosh Sally Scales, 263 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: artists like there's there's so many people, people involved in 264 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 3: cultural heritage, people involved in injustice, in youth, all manner 265 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 3: of things. We've spoken to them this year while we've 266 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: while we've been trying to cover the referendum and allowing 267 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 3: people to tell their stories and share their issues. 268 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: I was going to say, how important is it, How 269 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: important is it for us to have our own media 270 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: to tell our stories and to go to our communities 271 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: where people recognize your face so then they're more likely 272 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: than to actually engage, want to be on camera. 273 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: How's it like? Tell me, can you share with this. 274 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: Some of the people that you've met in terms of 275 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: some of the stories that you've heard. Is there anyone 276 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure that they've all. 277 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: You know, I've learned so much. When we're in Rockhampton, 278 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: Uncle Mick Gooder was there and. 279 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: As a gungaloo man from the Dawson River, which is 280 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: the river that my dad used to take us back 281 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: to so big shant a to Uncle McK here was 282 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: my first ever guest. 283 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 3: Oh wow, magic, awesome, Uncle Mick. 284 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,359 Speaker 4: You know, that was a really great conversation. 285 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: We talked about native title in that place and a 286 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: recent court decision. We talked about intergenerational trauma being a 287 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: medical condition like playing out medically and he he got really. 288 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 4: Choked up in that in that episode. 289 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: Uh. 290 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 3: And you know when you see our elders become emotionally 291 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: when they talk about MOB and outcomes for mob, it's 292 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: a really you know that we're really striking a nerve 293 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: here and if this is something that everyone needs to hear. 294 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,359 Speaker 3: And the same thing when we went to Tandania, Adelaide, 295 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: Uncle Charlie Jackson also became very emotional, you know, talking 296 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: about children, talking about our future, and so we're having 297 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: these really deeply personal conversations. But the best thing about 298 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 3: inn ITV is that they do the community engagement exceptionally well. 299 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 4: Before we've even recorded. 300 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: They've been there for days, meeting with the elders and 301 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 3: making sure that all the protocols have been observed and 302 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: we have the permission to be there before we even 303 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 3: start rolling. 304 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: And that's the most important thing, right is you know, 305 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: you don't just turn up. I think this is really good, 306 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: especially for non Indigenous Australians. It could work in an 307 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: organization that has a reconciliation action plan and you've got 308 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: community engagement as part of one of your deliverables. And 309 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people always say to me, so deliver training. 310 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: How do we know who the community are? How do 311 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: we know who the elders are? 312 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: How do we know who. 313 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: Are the rightful people? Treasure owners? Who are authority? You 314 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: know who's the boss for this country? 315 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: Where do we go? 316 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 3: That is so important. That's a starting point, the start, 317 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: that's where you start. 318 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: Yes, and all this ground work is done yes for 319 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: you and JP just turn up with a camera crew 320 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: and start filming. 321 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: Yes, and the right people need to be contributors. And 322 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: if there's not a space, if there's not space on 323 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 3: the panel, they need to contribute in some way. 324 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 4: And you need to be able to have the time. 325 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: You know what that's like. You need to have the 326 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: time to sit. 327 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: Don't just think you're turning up for your two hours 328 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: to get your one minute episode. 329 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: So I'm going to say this to everyone. 330 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: I fear like you and I have known each other 331 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: for years because I mean following you and you yeah, 332 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: and then we just message each other every now and 333 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: again and just check in and say hello. 334 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: But your beautiful videos with Creamer. 335 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: The track is so I literally love a Nike track. 336 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: If he doesn't like it, tracksuit pants, right, I even 337 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: have tns and my kids right, don't like been seen 338 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: in public with me when I've got my tans on. Anyhow, 339 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: you and Karina with your track, he's doing your little 340 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: dance on Instagram. I just I wish my husband well 341 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: come on and have some fun with me, but he won't. 342 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 2: He does not want to be seen. 343 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 4: You need a willing participant. It's hard to make the 344 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 4: magic when it's just you. 345 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: How you as Karina. 346 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: A willing participant loves yes doesn't mine. 347 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 4: The tracks of me. This is kind of that was 348 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 4: just last time I figured out. 349 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: Because one knows Karina because she's always on Instagram with Nuala. 350 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 3: Look, it was the cold weather was back and so 351 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: this is our last chance to make the most of 352 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: our track suits. So we're like, come on, let's just 353 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: be DAGs listeners to be idiots last Street. 354 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: But it's one. 355 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: Way where people can start to see you and connect 356 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: with you, but just see you as a normal person. 357 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 3: Well it's because I I I'm got my makeup on 358 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 3: my TV makeup on now because you know this, but 359 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 3: also I do have something else tonight which I'll be 360 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: on stage and presenting, so I wanted to keep my 361 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 3: makeup on. 362 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 4: But I do. 363 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 3: I have makeup every day for work for TV. But 364 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: as soon as I don't need it, I take it 365 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 3: off straight away because that's that's not who I am, 366 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 3: and so I want people to see who. 367 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 4: I really am. 368 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: You know, there's a there's a work persona but also 369 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 3: then there's there's the silly me at home, and you know, 370 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: I would like to think that I am I am 371 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: the same person in that range. I'm the same person, 372 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: but just one has makeup and one doesn't, you know, 373 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 3: so I can still be serious and. 374 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, my corporate professional. 375 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and if I can dance at the news desk, 376 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 3: can be silly at the news desk, I would, But 377 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: we're dealing with serious issues, so I can't, you know, 378 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 3: But when I when, But when it's happy and when 379 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 3: it's not so serious, oh, I know, I get quite loose. 380 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 2: I love it. 381 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 4: I love it, and. 382 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: I just want to before I leave. You know, we're 383 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: gonna wrap up some but you know, there's a lot 384 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: of our mob and they're you know, now their journalists, 385 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: their doctors, their lawyers. We've got so many graduates across 386 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: all different disciplines and university. But for you, as a 387 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: Aboriginal woman in media, in mainstream media, can you share 388 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: with you know, some of our mob that may be 389 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: starting a career in media or in journalism, just some 390 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: of the Is there some advices, any tips that you 391 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: would give them, especially knowing that they're going to be 392 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: in a space where they may be the only person 393 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: or person of color, even right. 394 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: You have to be really passionate for telling stories, for 395 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 3: allowing other people to tell their stories. When you're starting 396 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 3: out in journalism, there is no ego in journalism, because 397 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 3: you're telling other people's stories. 398 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: You are you, you are the vehicle ye And so. 399 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 3: When I was starting out, I was told, it's not 400 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 3: about you, it's not about you. And even when I 401 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 3: was reading the news, you know, I was told, you're 402 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 3: one of many, like and I think it was to 403 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 3: not create a monster, you know, like like someone with 404 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: a big ego who thought that the success of things 405 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 3: was all down to them. You're one of a team. 406 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 3: So there's an element. 407 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 4: Of that that that brings true. 408 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 3: But also I love to see people's personalities come through 409 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 3: in their stories, and I love to see their lens 410 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: applied to the stories because for so long, stories have 411 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 3: been told by a type of person and they're not us, 412 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 3: you know, they're so far from who we are, and 413 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: we still see it reflected in the news that's covered now. 414 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: You know, when when you know incidents of crime happen, 415 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 3: it's seen through a certain lens, or when we're talking 416 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 3: about children in custody, it's seen through a certain lens. 417 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 3: When we see people who are tasered, you know, why 418 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: would we care about someone who's tasted and then not 419 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 3: somebody else who's tasted you know, so the lenses are 420 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: applied whether we like it or not. So we should 421 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 3: be black fellows as journo's we need to start telling 422 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: the stories to be in there and tell the stories 423 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 3: and apply our lens to the story that's. 424 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: So important for our mom to take up these spaces. Yes, 425 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: as journalists as well, to be able to communicate from 426 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: a black lens or from our perspective, especially when it's 427 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: part of our lived experience. 428 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 3: Totally, because lived experience trumps everything else, everything else lived experience. 429 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 3: I mean, Canberra Parliament House would be a different place 430 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 3: if everybody was there based on their lived experience and 431 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 3: who have that lived experience to be able to help 432 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: the rest of the country in creating the policy that 433 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 3: can help the rest of the country. 434 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 4: It would lived experience. It trumps everything else. I can't. 435 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 4: I can't say it any any other way. 436 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 3: So when you apply your lived experience to everything, then 437 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: it's always going to be from a very authentic place 438 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 3: of course. 439 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, say you're going to get the best of the 440 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: best ye and apply that. 441 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's what people are looking for. That's what 442 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 3: the Voice to Parliament is all about, is it's about 443 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 3: what is your lived experience like and how can we 444 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 3: improve outcomes for every for everyone, for all of us 445 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: all more. 446 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're getting a lot when you're 447 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: just in terms of the Voice to Parliament? Are you 448 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: finding any online even with your own kind of socials? 449 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: Are you finding a lot of negativity? And if you are, 450 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: I would love for you to share how are you 451 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: looking at yourself? 452 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 4: I I you know, I get my fair share of trolling. 453 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 3: But I'm in a very unique position because I am 454 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: a presenter on TV and I have to be impartial 455 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 3: and I have to ask the questions. So for that reason, 456 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: I can't put forward my position. I can't take stance 457 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: on the Boys to Parliament. I'm not telling people to 458 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: vote yes or to vote no. Therefore no one is 459 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: actually coming after me. 460 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: It's this really interesting. It's a really position you know 461 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: that people they're. 462 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: Still coming after me because as much as I try 463 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 3: to be impartial, you still you still cop it. 464 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, you still cop it. 465 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm a I'm in quite a quite a 466 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: unique position where I have a platform to be able 467 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 3: to share information and ask the questions that need to 468 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: be asked and. 469 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: People to then make an informed decision and. 470 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: Fact check on the run, you know, which which is 471 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 3: really important to be able to fact check people when 472 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: they've got it wrong, of course. 473 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: But I want to end with this, especially you know 474 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: what's going on in this country right now, which we 475 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: do know that the referendum is coming up. What's some 476 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: kind of advice you'd give, especially our mob. 477 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: In terms of looking after themselves. 478 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: I know that I seen Akida Ridgeway on LinkedIn recently, 479 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: just you know, promoting one three yarn. Yes, high rates 480 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: of online trolls and what would you say a lot 481 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: of our moms that are listening or watching. 482 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: This, you will be very pleased to know that your 483 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 3: voice and Stan's voice came at a very important time 484 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 3: for me. 485 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 4: So I was on a. 486 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: Plane and this was it was actually months after you 487 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 3: had your yarn with Stan dropped on this podcast, and 488 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 3: I was on a plane and I I really needed 489 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 3: to hear everything that you need that you had to say. 490 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: So and the thing that cut through the most and 491 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 3: gave me most comfort was the question that you asked 492 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: to stand and he said, it is hard. It is 493 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 3: hard at the moment, and hearing that validation affirmed how 494 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 3: I was feeling and that it was okay to feel 495 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: like what I was going through was a struggle because 496 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 3: you know, and he was speaking directly to first Asians journals. 497 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 3: I don't know who were you thinking of when you 498 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 3: asked him at that question, what's your advice to other 499 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: first stations journos in newsrooms and they might be the 500 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 3: only one? 501 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 4: And he said, just know that it is hard. And 502 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, how does he know? 503 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 2: How do you know? 504 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 4: I was looking at that flying going, oh my goodness 505 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 4: talking to me, That's what it felt like. 506 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 3: And so you have to find those moments. Listen to podcasts. 507 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 3: There's so many podcasts out there that could be a comfort. 508 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 3: There's information out there. Last night Karina told me don't 509 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 3: look at Twitter before you go to sleep, because I 510 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 3: was looking at Twitter or X. 511 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 4: I was looking and she was like, put it down. 512 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 4: Put the phone down, so that I cleaned my head. 513 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: I don't have Facebook or my personal Instagram or Twitter 514 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: on my phone, so obviously don't I don't have it. 515 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh wow, So my advice to look after 516 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: my own mental health and to be present with my 517 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: kids and not let all of this outside noise consume me. 518 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: I get asked about the voice. Every minute of the day, 519 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: I deliver training culture, capital of training. Well, every question 520 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: is what's my stance and I always said same as you. 521 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: What Monday can do in an hour will change an 522 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 3: organization's trajectory. Let me just say that I've seen you 523 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 3: in action, Mandadar. 524 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: It's incredible surrenders on the first Nations Advisory for Football 525 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: Australia in Australia, and we got to watch a game 526 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: the Materialities, which was amazing. And then I saw you 527 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: at the book festival down here Taylor read and stand 528 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: Yes spoke, which was unbelievable, and then got to hang 529 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: out at the pub down here and just have a 530 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: feed yep. 531 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 3: So I think all of those moments look and something 532 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 3: that sayd says a lot is that when he needs 533 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 3: it the most, the answer is we all put someone 534 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 3: in front of him, like you or like Tila walking 535 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 3: down their beach. You know, because they both. 536 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 2: Had dinner with Tila last night. 537 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 4: Wow, oh I saw. 538 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: So he reached out to me and said can we 539 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: have a yarn? I'm like, oh my god, and I 540 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: would love to have a yan with you. 541 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 3: And then the other day like Karina and I are 542 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 3: at Spice Alli, like a food area, and it was 543 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: a weird time of the day. It was like five 544 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 3: o'clock in the afternoon, four o'clock in the afternoon, and 545 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 3: Amy Tunic was there with Amy's husband Luke, and I 546 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 3: hadn't seen them for ages. 547 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 4: You know. 548 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 3: So we sat tit together and eat and have a 549 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 3: great yarn and we cau that they are random people 550 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 3: that you bump into, that the ancestors know that you 551 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: need to see them in that moment, you know, So 552 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 3: you have to be open to seeing those things. Like 553 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: when that happens, you can easily walk past the person. Yeah, 554 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: but it's happened for a reason, you know. 555 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 4: Just let it, let it breathe. 556 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: I know. I literally I remember when I run into 557 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: at the park because I thought I was going to 558 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: see you at the book thing and I end up 559 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: giving your T shirt to someone, your. 560 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: Black Magical my T shirt. 561 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: And I said to them, by the way, this was 562 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: from Norelda Jacobs and like, oh my god, you're. 563 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 2: Giving it to me. 564 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, it's all good. I'll see 565 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: Narrelda again and I'll hook her up. And they could 566 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: not believe T shirt. So remind me. I'm going to 567 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: send you a tea so you can represent. But I 568 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: just want to say, finally we're able to jump on 569 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: here and have this yarn. If there's anything that you 570 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: want to share with anyone, doesn't have to be about 571 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: the referendum, could be about the work that you're doing. 572 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: Is there anything in the pipeline? Is anything that you 573 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: want to share with us? So you haven't? Ah, can 574 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: they hear it here? Well? Black Magic Woman? 575 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I mean there's always things. You'll be the 576 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 3: first to actually Instagram will be the first and I no, 577 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 3: there's so much going on. 578 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: But. 579 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 4: I think it's just really important. 580 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: And you know, moving from Perth to Sydney was quite 581 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 3: a big move, you know, going into the unknown. Leaving 582 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: an amazing job as the newsreader for a capital city 583 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: Perth and then moving into the unknown was huge. But 584 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 3: it was a willingness to kind of step outside your 585 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 3: comfort zone. And then from that then it was just 586 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 3: saying yes to things and yes to things and meeting 587 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 3: people and making friends and making friends with you and 588 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 3: locking Teala down and making friends with Tila. 589 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 4: You know that's hard to crack, mind, you know. 590 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: She reached out to me and I told her last sight, 591 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: I said, thank you for being generous. At that time, 592 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, Taylor, I can believe you text me, I'm 593 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: thank you for being generous with you. 594 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just saying yes to things and being 595 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 3: open to things. If you're open to things, then new 596 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 3: experiences will happen, and then that experience lead to the 597 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 3: next opportunity and then a bigger thing and a bigger thing, 598 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 3: and then before you know it, you have this incredible 599 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: network of people of movers and shakers, people who are 600 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: changing the world, you know, and then you are in 601 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 3: the right place to be able to use your influence, 602 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: to be able to influence everybody around you, you know. 603 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: So that is powerful. It's really powerful. 604 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 4: But it starts with a single step. 605 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I know how cliche that that is, but 606 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 3: it does start with a single step. And we all 607 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 3: have the confidence on the inside to change the world. 608 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 3: We just need to take that step and to say 609 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 3: yes and be open to things and make connections with 610 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 3: people like you who you can mentor of course you know, 611 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 3: and I think especially for us as black women, that 612 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 3: you know, there's not a lot of young people, you know, in. 613 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: Our communities that have those role models that they can 614 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: look up to you. Some are living in remote communities, 615 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: some are still you know, some are here in Redfern, 616 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of my nephews and nieces 617 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: like to see their mom and dads go to work 618 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: or studying like it's. 619 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: A big deal. 620 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: But for a lot of non actual fans, it's normal. 621 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: And so just to be that kind of person that 622 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: they look up. 623 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 3: To and find someone who has faith in you, because 624 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 3: we don't always have faith in ourselves and we don't 625 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: often step up to opportunities. 626 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 4: We have to be pushed. 627 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 3: And I was one of those people who had to 628 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 3: be pushed into opportunities because of people along the way 629 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: who've had faith in me. 630 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: So look where you want to thank you killing it 631 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you now, especially for my daughter Tiger 632 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: Lily and my big girl. There's Kasaiah as well. But 633 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: for Tiger Lily to see you on the news living 634 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: in a very white neighborhood, you know, you can't be 635 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: what you can't see. 636 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: And she wants to be on TV. Right. 637 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: She's someone that is really proud of her culture and 638 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: she's like you, she wants me to go and tell 639 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: the class and tell the kids about being a Murray. 640 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 2: Tell the well. And I've done it with all of 641 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: my kids. 642 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, you brought back some memories that I know, 643 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: and I probably didn't think at the time meant a 644 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: lot to my kids until you started talking about it. 645 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: I started thinking about my kids, and I spent four 646 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: days with them, So I'm not getting emotional. 647 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 2: I spent four days with them here in Sydney. 648 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: But I just want to say, you know everything that 649 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: you do and for how you you know you are, 650 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: what you get is what you see, and you are real. 651 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: And for some of us, some of us might think 652 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: that we need to be one person in the western 653 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: world of white color world, and then we need to 654 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: be our true selves in our communities. We don't have 655 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: to know we're walking in these two worlds, but we 656 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: can still be who we are in both of those spaces. 657 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: Totally. 658 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,239 Speaker 1: I think that's what I want my kids to grow up. 659 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: I want them to realize that they don't need to 660 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: change who they are because they're the only black kids 661 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: in their school and they don't need to be anything 662 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: but themselves. 663 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: But that's hard, right. 664 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 3: It's very hard, and we can't afford to because our 665 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 3: entire community rely on that, depend on that. Otherwise we 666 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: would just be the statisic we if we fit in 667 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 3: and if we compromised ourselves too much and we compromise 668 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 3: our culture. We can't compromise. No, we can be in 669 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 3: the rooms to change it. That for some people is 670 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 3: a compromise, but that's where it ends. 671 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I just want to keep you here or Dad, 672 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,239 Speaker 1: but I know you've got somewhere else to go. I 673 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: just want to say thank you for all of the videos, 674 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: the laughs, keep sharing them, but yeah, I can't wait 675 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: to catch up again and just have a yeah, have 676 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: a feed with you here in Sydney. 677 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: So thanks for stopping in here. 678 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 4: Am I now a black magic woman? 679 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: You are a black magic Woman's certified, But thank you 680 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: for being you and I know that there's a lot 681 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: of us that look up to you, So thank you 682 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: for this an absolute inspirations. 683 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 3: Wanda, thank you, and the same to you. This podcast 684 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 3: brings a lot of comfort to a lot of people. 685 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: Thank you. 686 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: I literally could not believe they've finally got Narrelda on 687 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: this podcast and not virtually were in the same place 688 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: at the same time. I was able to make it happen. 689 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 1: I really do hope that you've enjoyed this episode. 690 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 2: Until next time, by for now. 691 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: If you'd like any more info on today's guest, please 692 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: visit our show notes in the episode description. A big 693 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: shout out to all you Deadly Mob and allies who 694 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: continue to listen, watch, and support our podcast. Your feedback 695 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: means the world. You can rate and review the podcast 696 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: on Apple and Spotify, or even head to our socials 697 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: and YouTube channel and drop us a line. 698 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you. 699 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: The Black Magic Woman podcast is produced by Clint Curtis