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Speaker 1: The Wiggles acknowledged the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia

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Speaker 1: and their connections to land, see and community. We pay

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Speaker 1: our respects to elders, past, present and emerging.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Wiggle Talk, a podcast for parents. My name

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Speaker 2: is Locky and I wear the purple.

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Speaker 3: Hell that lucky. My name is Simon and I wear

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Speaker 3: the red. Oh it's great to be here. Yes, it is,

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Speaker 3: you know lucky. The other day, because Asha starts school

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Speaker 3: next year, he does, we went to his school. I

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Speaker 3: guess it's called an orientation or something. So Asher had

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Speaker 3: to go out into the area a little name tag

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Speaker 3: on with I think he was part of pink group,

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Speaker 3: and then the teacher came down and pink group got

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Speaker 3: taken up to the classroom. So he was up in

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Speaker 3: the classroom for about an hour with a teacher in

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Speaker 3: his big school, while we as parents sat down in

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Speaker 3: the hall being given all the information. You know. It's

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Speaker 3: fascinating though, is that our attention spans are so much

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Speaker 3: shorter for parents everyone because there was a lot of

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Speaker 3: information to take in. Not complex, I mean, when do

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Speaker 3: you buy a uniform like it wasn't like it was,

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Speaker 3: But parents are on their phone sending messages like disengaging

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Speaker 3: completely from I actually felt a bit batter. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there was a lot of people, so it was kind

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Speaker 3: with what you're what you're doing. Yeah, it was. It

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Speaker 3: was quite fascinating. But anyway, that wasn't the point of

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Speaker 3: and nicely they peed him up with a couple of

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Speaker 3: knew and came back with a couple of drawings and

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Speaker 3: in news happy. So that was a good start. Great,

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Speaker 3: and we do it all again next week as well.

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Speaker 3: They do another one, right, so it's a follow up

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Speaker 3: and they have this they have a they call it

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Speaker 3: all something like outside of our school thing where you

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Speaker 3: can do other programs and things and stuff. But they

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Speaker 3: also do it during the holidays. So we thought we

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Speaker 3: might enrolling for a couple of days a couple of

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Speaker 3: weeks leading up to get to school. So he's actually

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Speaker 3: there and getting more familiar with the place and meeting

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Speaker 3: some of the other children and doing all that.

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Speaker 2: So that's a good idea he gets.

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Speaker 3: So he gets a bit more more time because he

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Speaker 3: really has not wanted to go to preschool at all, Like,

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Speaker 3: and I know I've said this before, and it's been

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Speaker 3: getting more and more. And it's not that he has

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Speaker 3: a bad time there. It's not that he's bored there.

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Speaker 3: He just his separation anxiety from laws and myself at

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Speaker 3: the moment is huge. And I don't know why because

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Speaker 3: it's not like, you know, we've got a little bit

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Speaker 3: so it's kind of hard to know. And of course

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Speaker 3: he can't really answer. He can't really tell you why

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Speaker 3: well he's doing that way. He just says, I just

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Speaker 2: He's just becoming more more conscious of the world, isn't he. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and probably also starting to actually click into what school

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Speaker 2: means with time away too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's coming up.

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Speaker 2: And as he's going to these little visits and he's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: most see what's happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I felt like it was an assembly.

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Speaker 3: I felt like I was back at school up straight.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned, you know, this is the start of the

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Speaker 3: next thirteen years, and I was like, oh, the poor

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Speaker 3: little fella. No, but yeah, that's a lot to go through,

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Speaker 3: So that was good. Yeah, that's a good sign.

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Speaker 2: That's exciting for him.

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Speaker 3: Wigle Talk, Talk Talk, Wigle Talk.

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Speaker 2: It's near Wiggle.

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Speaker 3: Authorized by Simon Lucky.

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Speaker 2: Now this is where we take your questions about life,

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Speaker 2: children and the chaos of parenting. And today's dilemma comes

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Speaker 2: from Tim and Tim is a dad from the USA

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Speaker 2: dealing with a classic toddler standoff. It says, Hello, my

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Speaker 2: name is Tim, and I'm a stay at home dad

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Speaker 2: from midwestern USA. Summer has ended here as we march

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Speaker 2: towards winter. Our two year old toddler has recently started

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Speaker 2: wanting to pick out his own clothes to wear, but

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Speaker 2: and long sleeved shirts to the point of meltdown, becoming

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Speaker 2: absolutely hysterical. If we try dressing him in warmer clothes, you.

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Speaker 3: Keep going lock because I've forgot my glasses. OK.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure my overall question is how we get

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Speaker 2: him to go along with what we know is best

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Speaker 2: for him. It feels counterproductive to force him to do

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Speaker 2: something that will cause a meltdown. But also he can't

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Speaker 2: go out without proper clothing. He can't seem to be

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Speaker 2: reasoned with. He's a toddler after all. I'd love to

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Speaker 2: hear your advice on getting through times when your kids

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Speaker 3: That's from Tim.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one, Tim. You know what first came

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Speaker 2: to my mind, Tim, is something that Jen Mure. I

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Speaker 2: guess we've had on here before. Now you might be

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Speaker 2: doing this already, but I remember Jen who was talking

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Speaker 2: about I think the school shoes, wasn't she? And you've

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Speaker 2: got to first that you just get down his level.

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Speaker 2: And the first thing you say is, I know, like

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Speaker 2: or acknowledge that he wants to wear his cool summer clothes.

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Speaker 2: He might be a hot pod. Yes, I've got a

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Speaker 2: hot bod. Child who does is just a hot pod

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Speaker 2: and rocks the shorts in winter. But yeah, you acknowledge first.

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Speaker 3: Don't Yeah, yeah, you say you understand.

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Speaker 2: I understand. I know you want to wear this. However,

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Speaker 2: it's really cold outside and you might get a cold

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Speaker 2: or you might feel unwell if your body gets I

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Speaker 2: don't know what goes from there, but I think that's

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Speaker 2: a really great first step as opposed to put this on.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that you're doing that, Tim, but that's and it

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Speaker 3: sounds like you're giving choices. Probably Jen or Maggie Dan

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Speaker 3: You can help facilitate that by giving two options instead

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Speaker 3: choose their own, say, okay, you can choose your own,

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Speaker 3: but you can choose from these two. And they just

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Speaker 3: both happened to be long sleeve shirts. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but so encouraging them choosing their own, but also just

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Speaker 3: M'd help. But of course everyone always talks about staying

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Speaker 3: calm when you're doing this. If there's the meltdown's about

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Speaker 3: you can and not kind of get caught up in

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Speaker 3: their emotion behind it all because the logic doesn't exist.

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Speaker 3: We know that, and they can't get that logic, and

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Speaker 3: ourselves from that. This has reminded me as Luck he

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Speaker 3: was reading out this question, I had a flashback to

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Speaker 3: myself as a kid, probably about four. It was the

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Speaker 3: only time he went to the snow and I'm in shorts,

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Speaker 3: wild West. I can see that photo in my head

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Speaker 3: now and now obviously why I'm wearing that is because

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Speaker 3: My parents obviously got to the point where they went, okay,

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Speaker 3: And I was fine. I didn't have any issues at all.

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Speaker 3: That was the snow. But it is a bit different

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Speaker 3: temperature that you're talking about, tim, So it's you know,

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Speaker 3: if my little boy Asha wants to in the middle

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Speaker 3: of winter just leaving a T shirt, it doesn't have

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Speaker 3: the same effect where it's you know, in the minuses.

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Speaker 2: No, you're probably right for a good half an hour.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm sure at some point I went, I

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Speaker 2: And also, Tim, there is a point where they just

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Speaker 2: stopped making everything so hard, Yeah, and it will become

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Speaker 2: a bit easy. But I think that's a really nice

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Speaker 3: And keep reminding yourself that this is just a phase

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Speaker 3: that it will pass. I keep thinking back when told

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Speaker 3: so many times Laura and I with the ash with sleeping,

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Speaker 3: don't be in the room with him. He's got it

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Speaker 3: used to sleeping on his own, and he wouldn't go

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Speaker 3: And the amount of anxiety that Laura and I put

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Speaker 3: He's meant to be able to sleep on he's own

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Speaker 3: and do all this, And then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: the room. But you're sure you don't want to cuddle,

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Speaker 3: Come on just a little, let's just lie here and

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Speaker 3: remember Tim, don't it will pass, and don't create so

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Speaker 3: much anxiety for yourself about it, because you'll come out

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Speaker 3: Asher into the shower, and I don't know if this

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Speaker 3: pretend to have a race with him about who can

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Speaker 3: get their claes off first. Now I'm just bumbling it around,

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Speaker 3: pretending to get my shirt stuck over my head, and

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Speaker 3: I'm wandering around like when there's like a soccer play

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Speaker 3: with like you like I can't see and actually thinks

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Speaker 3: it's hysterical. So maybe there's a way of playing that

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Speaker 3: race game in getting dressed as well that you're now

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Speaker 3: going to beat you. We'll get you dress and to

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Speaker 3: put your pants again, yeah, you know, and then fall

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Speaker 3: over and kind of have fun and playfulness around the

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Speaker 2: Great if you're a singer to tim turn into a song,

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Speaker 2: I'm putting on my warm coat.

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Speaker 3: You keep going lucky. I'm loving it.

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Speaker 2: Do you do you? I know Johnny does sometimes, But

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Speaker 2: does anyone rock the singlet under the T shirt anymore?

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Speaker 3: We used to do that.

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Speaker 2: My mum always used to put singles on.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was that was a nan thing for me.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Name would always ask if you got your single on

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Speaker 3: because you you don't catch a chill. But that's not bad.

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Speaker 2: Well that's thinking my hot bodsh hold would absolutely refuse

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Speaker 2: a sing then, So actually, but singles are good. It

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Speaker 2: keeps you.

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Speaker 3: Are you saying you've got a hot bod in the

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Speaker 3: world work?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've overheated. Yes, yes, I don't like you know,

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Speaker 2: the blankets on all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but that's actually not a bad idea.

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Speaker 2: Sing it bring him back, Yeah, little chesty bonds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, little singlet and then and the shirt at the top.

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Speaker 3: It still might not be the warmth that no, I

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