Speaker 1: I'd like to acknowledge the traditional owners on which this
Speaker 1: episode is being recorded, the combo marry people. We pay
Speaker 1: our respects to elders past, present and emerging and extend
Speaker 1: that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.
Speaker 1: Today I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson, and this is the
Speaker 1: Rise and Conquer Podcast. This is the podcast where we
Speaker 1: have mindset, self development and becoming your higher self mix
Speaker 1: soon with a lot of laughs, plus behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of my life running two businesses and being among Think
Speaker 1: of us as the perfect combo of brunch with your
Speaker 1: besties mixed with self development. No matter where you are
Speaker 1: in your journey, we're here to help you be curious,
Speaker 1: pull yourself out, and embrace radical self awareness.
Speaker 2: If you're ready to get into the.
Speaker 1: Driver's seat of your own life and stop letting life
Speaker 1: pass you by, then.
Speaker 2: You're in the right place.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome back to the Potty, Happy Friday
Speaker 1: and Happy Women's History Month a tea, Happy Women's History Month.
Speaker 1: We are so excited for this special episode for you today.
Speaker 1: It is part one of our four part Her Story
Speaker 1: series and we'll be talking about the Queen's Serena and
Speaker 1: Venus Williams.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I love them and in such a
Speaker 2: good episode. It's just so Saol produces, it organizes the
Speaker 2: whole thing. This was an amazing episode. No, I definitely
Speaker 2: a Tia.
Speaker 1: I want to give you a shout out and say
Speaker 1: such incredible work. Thank you researching and putting this series together.
Speaker 1: It has been it's so it has been epic to
Speaker 1: see you really like hone in on your Zoner genius
Speaker 1: and bring this to the podcast.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I hope everyone likes it so we can
Speaker 3: do more.
Speaker 2: She's like, please get those listeners, guys.
Speaker 1: So in each episode, we are sharing the stories of
Speaker 1: iconic women who have made history or who we feel
Speaker 1: are currently making history. So these women are trailblazers in
Speaker 1: their chosen careers and they're doing things differently, which you
Speaker 1: guys know we absolutely love. We then unpack certain aspects
Speaker 1: and values that they model in everything they do, and
Speaker 1: then we have discussion of how we can use this
Speaker 1: as an expander in our own lives.
Speaker 2: So what we.
Speaker 1: Really want you to start thinking about throughout this series
Speaker 1: is what legacy or impact are you leaving? Could you
Speaker 1: do things differently? Could you think outside the box. How
Speaker 1: can you push yourself out of your comfort zone and grow?
Speaker 3: But before we get into it, what's your weekly recommendation, Georgie, Well,
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 2: Just piguring back.
Speaker 1: Wow, Well, actually kind of that's a great segue of
Speaker 1: what I just said of my recommendation to you guys
Speaker 1: this week is thinking how much of your life is
Speaker 1: just a comfort zone and where you are actually seeking
Speaker 1: discomfort to stretch and grow yourself towards.
Speaker 2: Where you want to go.
Speaker 1: Oh and this is actually one of my March intentions.
Speaker 1: I did a really about this on Instagram, because like,
Speaker 1: if we really look at our life, most of the
Speaker 1: things we do is routine and comfort.
Speaker 2: And it's normal. We are human.
Speaker 1: And I just had in our home home the other
Speaker 1: day where I was like, oh, I think I have
Speaker 1: been sinking, you know, comfort lately, and I really want
Speaker 1: to like step outside my comfort zone because I know
Speaker 1: that's where the magic happens. So I'm doing that within
Speaker 1: you know, the businesses, but also personally, which I've never
Speaker 1: really done or been like interested in. So for example,
Speaker 1: the weekend that just went, me and Tim went to
Speaker 1: house in house in Cabareta and I randomly I was
Speaker 1: very spontaneous to here, and I'm never spontaneous.
Speaker 2: I booked in horse riding. Oh I love that, and
Speaker 2: it was like I've.
Speaker 1: Never been horse riding something out of my comfort zone
Speaker 1: and just got like kind of, you know, a bit roke.
Speaker 3: So fun though, and it was so.
Speaker 1: Fun and I felt really like present and in the moment,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna lie, Like before we went, I
Speaker 1: was like a little bit nervous and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know how this is gonna go. And then
Speaker 1: we went and it was awesome. But I'm yeah, I've
Speaker 1: just been really thinking about this like theme in my
Speaker 1: life of like where I actually just choose the most
Speaker 1: comfortable thing.
Speaker 2: And how I can maybe share that. I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you? What's your weekly rack?
Speaker 3: So this sound was damn to us on Instagram and
Speaker 3: I loved it and I'm obsessed with it. So I'm
Speaker 3: recommending So Weird a Real Sound because it's literally just
Speaker 3: a real It's a song that that is coming out
Speaker 3: next Friday. But I just feel like people need to
Speaker 3: listen to it. Now, what do you mean it's coming
Speaker 3: out next Friday. It's gonna be released next Friday. The
Speaker 3: full song.
Speaker 2: Oh what's the artist? Morgan Saint Jean.
Speaker 3: Okay, play it. Yeah, you're gonna love it.
Speaker 2: You want lucky girl syndrome.
Speaker 4: You have to listen to this. I tried you. It's
Speaker 4: a fine.
Speaker 2: How good is it?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: I just it's got forty four point four KX right now.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, send it to me over. I did yesterday. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I saw it was you and I ignored it. I
Speaker 2: did them. I'm not in my DMS. Got a texted
Speaker 2: yeah I know. Oh my god. I love that me too.
Speaker 3: So that's my recommendation. She's literally at Morgan Saint Gene
Speaker 3: on Instagram. So go listen to it till next Friday.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much to here.
Speaker 1: Also men Tea both one, Harry Styles, Yes, so we can't.
Speaker 2: That's not really a recommendation. That's just like a small flex.
Speaker 2: You guys should listen to its music. It's great. Jamie
Speaker 2: doesn't like him, but we do.
Speaker 3: Actually, I do have like a bit more tangible recommend
Speaker 3: Nation two Drive to Survive season five on Netflix.
Speaker 2: Oh you're still going good?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So good is a little fun and still in it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course the winner. Well, I'm just gonna put in
Speaker 2: a Netflix out of Bank. Season three is out. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: did I say this already?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: You told me postally. I was like, I feel like, guys, it's.
Speaker 1: Really hard to know what I've told you and then
Speaker 1: what I've told a Tia. It just merges into one.
Speaker 1: I literally had to be like, did I already recommend
Speaker 1: the no Froe thing? Because I can't remember I told
Speaker 1: you all the podcasts.
Speaker 2: It's like same people I am our only.
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like. Sometimes we're just like talking
Speaker 1: to no one. Anyway, guys, that's enough of that. Let's
Speaker 1: get into this very special episode. You guys are gonna
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 3: So today we're going to be talking about Venus and
Speaker 3: Serena Williams.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with them, me too. I love them so much.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited for this series, me too. Let'stal it
Speaker 2: it to YOUA.
Speaker 3: I thought I would start by telling you a little
Speaker 3: bit about them, and then we can also chat at
Speaker 3: the end about what we love about their stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's their story is just so incredible. It's next level,
Speaker 1: all right, get straight into it.
Speaker 3: So, Venus and Serena are the youngest of five siblings
Speaker 3: before they were born. It is said that their dad
Speaker 3: actually decided that they were going to be famous tennis players.
Speaker 3: And there's a rumor that he wrote like a seventy
Speaker 3: eight page plan of how he was going to get
Speaker 3: them to be professional tennis players, which I love.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, does anyone have like a copy of them?
Speaker 2: I mean it as I say, can we use it?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: I would love to know. I knew you probably don't
Speaker 1: have this answer, but like, why tennis?
Speaker 3: So he actually saw, just before they were born, or
Speaker 3: before Venus was born, a tennis player, I don't remember
Speaker 3: her name exactly get a forty thousand dollar check, and
Speaker 3: because they weren't well off, when she won that money,
Speaker 3: he was like, we're going to have two more kids
Speaker 3: and they're going to be tennis players.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. It's like me watching legally Blonde.
Speaker 1: Yeah and being like, what I could be smart and fabulous?
Speaker 2: What do you mean so good?
Speaker 3: So he actually started coaching four year old Venus on
Speaker 3: a court in Compton, Los Angeles, but tried to convince
Speaker 3: her to quit tennis when she was about eight years
Speaker 3: old because of how he saw junior tennis parents were
Speaker 3: treating their kids. He wasn't really happy because it was
Speaker 3: a bit toxic, a lot of pressure on the kids,
Speaker 3: and Venus refused to leave tennis and instead quit track,
Speaker 3: which was another sport she was pursuing at the time,
Speaker 3: even though she was really good at it, because she
Speaker 3: wanted to focus on tennis. Yeah. Love. So both girls
Speaker 3: grew up in the suburbs of in California, which, for
Speaker 3: those of you who don't know, it's actually considered to
Speaker 3: be an area of high poverty, so a very low
Speaker 3: socio economic status in the States. Their early playing careers
Speaker 3: evolved while competing on public courts in the housing projects.
Speaker 3: Although this was an area that was full of violence, gangs,
Speaker 3: and high rates of homicides, they prevailed to become two
Speaker 3: of the elite tennis players in the world, which we know.
Speaker 3: So in nineteen ninety one, Richard uprooted his family to
Speaker 3: enroll both Venus and Serena in Rick Mackey's Delray Beach
Speaker 3: Tennis Academy in Florida, where they trained six hours a day,
Speaker 3: six days a week for four years. Rick was very
Speaker 3: well respected and established tennis professional, so it was a
Speaker 3: massive deal that they had that opportunity. So it was
Speaker 3: also in nineteen ninety one that Richard made the decision
Speaker 3: to withdraw the girls from all junior tennis tournaments, which
Speaker 3: was very, very criticized because that's not really what was
Speaker 3: done or the conventional path to being a tennis professional.
Speaker 2: And what was his reasoning.
Speaker 3: So his reasoning was because it was a lot of
Speaker 3: there was a lot of racial hostility, is what he said,
Speaker 3: towards them from the other players, and he didn't like
Speaker 3: the pressure it was putting on the girls. When their
Speaker 3: coach was asked why he let that happen in an
Speaker 3: interview with The New York Times, he said putting Venus
Speaker 3: and Serena in a traditional development system would be like
Speaker 3: putting her in prison, which I thought was a very
Speaker 3: interesting quote. So in nineteen ninety four, so three years later,
Speaker 3: at the age of fourteen, Venus made her debut as
Speaker 3: a professional tennis player, which was very very young to
Speaker 3: be doing that, and the night before her first game,
Speaker 3: she was approached by Nike and offered a three million
Speaker 3: dollar endorsement deal. Now we're going to play a snippet
Speaker 3: of this scene happening from the movie King Richard. Keep
Speaker 3: in mind this movie is not an exact accurate account
Speaker 3: of events, but it was executive produced by Venus and Serena,
Speaker 3: so we do know that things like this did happen.
Speaker 5: That is three million dollars signature shoe signature lying. We
Speaker 5: want to build our women's brand around Venus Maker Marque Player.
Speaker 5: How's that sound?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 7: I think uh we actually you need to be pitching.
Speaker 5: Huh well, Venus, what do you think I mean that?
Speaker 5: That is a generous deal. It's a million more than
Speaker 5: Kapriotti got before she went pro, plus a real commitment
Speaker 5: to invest in the charity and outreach programs you and
Speaker 5: your family support. We think you're going to have a
Speaker 5: tremendous career and we want to help you build it
Speaker 5: starting today.
Speaker 6: It's yeah, maybe maybe maybe just have a minute, you know,
Speaker 6: just let the family absolutely no problems.
Speaker 5: Just just just to be clear, this deal is for
Speaker 5: tonight only. It's it's off the tablets. You just step
Speaker 5: on that court tomorrow than you talk about it.
Speaker 2: We'll just we'll just take a seat.
Speaker 6: You know, there's a heck of a seafood buffet. Okay,
Speaker 6: at level right, you don't want to hit one or
Speaker 6: two a lot of people.
Speaker 5: Just fix your face to the man, get out the door.
Speaker 2: What does he mean by.
Speaker 5: Let the man get out the door?
Speaker 6: Face?
Speaker 1: I want to know what he means.
Speaker 8: We're going to talk.
Speaker 7: About it when the man just let me get out
Speaker 7: the doll What is going on?
Speaker 2: What did he mean by it's one night only tonight only?
Speaker 7: Only worry about that?
Speaker 6: That's right, He's trying scarce and guess what, I'm scared.
Speaker 2: I'm freaking. I'm freaking terrified, guys.
Speaker 6: What what is going on? Three million dollars? What's the
Speaker 6: problem here?
Speaker 5: Rick?
Speaker 2: Let me see.
Speaker 7: They haven't even seen a girl play yet. Yeah, you
Speaker 7: know that.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's the point.
Speaker 2: They don't have to.
Speaker 7: Richard.
Speaker 2: You did it?
Speaker 4: Hey, you did it?
Speaker 7: Richard.
Speaker 5: Look I thought you were nuts.
Speaker 6: They're talking and the interviews and the nonsense, but look.
Speaker 7: You were right. She's a star.
Speaker 2: Look at what we won?
Speaker 5: This is it?
Speaker 2: Why is everybody so glum?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 6: Guys or seeing Please?
Speaker 5: Can you help me out here?
Speaker 2: You need to be talking to venus.
Speaker 4: V.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 2: I just want to show them what I can do. Okay,
Speaker 2: I understand it's a.
Speaker 6: Good offer, but this is not a good offer. This
Speaker 6: is an unbelievable offer. Guys. This is money that changes
Speaker 6: your lives, that changes your family's lives.
Speaker 7: What do we rick you asking this girl take all
Speaker 7: the hard way she's undere for the last to stop
Speaker 7: to me all the hard way she's undeal for the
Speaker 7: last ten years and accept the face offer to come
Speaker 7: through the door. You know that's not right, Richard.
Speaker 2: The draw is not even out yet.
Speaker 7: We don't know the girl is asking for an opportunity
Speaker 7: to compete.
Speaker 1: We don't even you know who she's playing.
Speaker 7: She don't care nothing about that. Venus Williams, do you
Speaker 7: care who you play? No, daddy, Venus Williams. Are you
Speaker 7: gonna beat whoever on the other side of that net?
Speaker 5: Yesdy Venus Williams.
Speaker 7: Do you want take this deal?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 7: Well deady is We're not taking deal.
Speaker 1: Let's go get some ny. Let's just put this in perspective.
Speaker 1: So she's fourteen, she's fourteen years fourteen, and she gets
Speaker 1: a three million dollar contract from Nike before she's even competed.
Speaker 3: Yes, and so the the condition of that was, like
Speaker 3: that offer expired that night. She had to accept that
Speaker 3: offer before she walked onto the court. Was getting an
Speaker 3: offer like that like unheard of? It was unheard of
Speaker 3: because it was the highest of junior had ever been
Speaker 3: offered at that point in time.
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then was it like a certain amount of years
Speaker 1: or something with Nike, Like was it a long contract?
Speaker 3: I think it was just a short contract. But the
Speaker 3: plus in getting off before the first game is that
Speaker 3: even if you lose, you have that money.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Whereas otherwise to then get endorsement deals after she'd played
Speaker 3: her first match, she would have had to have done
Speaker 3: a really really good job.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that she would have had then so much
Speaker 1: pressure to perform yeaheah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So she turned it down.
Speaker 3: She turned it down, and her coach and their lawyer
Speaker 3: were devastated. They were like, you've made a massive mistake.
Speaker 3: You should have taken the contract. We don't know what's
Speaker 3: going to happen tomorrow. Because I think they also thought
Speaker 3: she's fourteen, Like she's playing against women that are twice
Speaker 3: her age.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, I hadn't thought of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So even if she didn't win, the fact she
Speaker 3: was there was a massive achievement. And in their heads
Speaker 3: they were like, let's just take the three million because
Speaker 3: we put so much money into getting here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 3: So after that, so the next day she had a
Speaker 3: professional debut against a player that was ranked fifty ninth
Speaker 3: in the world at the time, and she won that match.
Speaker 3: And then she played I apologized for my pronunciation of
Speaker 3: this name, a Ranster Sanchez Vicario, who was ranked second
Speaker 3: in the world at the time, and Venus gave her
Speaker 3: a run for her money. She started the game off winning,
Speaker 3: but then Vicario requested a bathroom break in the middle
Speaker 3: of the game, and that's Venus psyched herself out when
Speaker 3: I have heard about.
Speaker 2: This, Oh oh, I remember watching this in the movie. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So she was going so well and even now Venus
Speaker 3: is reflected on that as the game she should have.
Speaker 2: Won one hundred Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so after that bathroom break, she didn't score another
Speaker 3: point and actually ended up losing the game, but still
Speaker 3: amazing because she was ranked second in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And seven months later, Rebok signed a five year contract
Speaker 3: with Venus for a reported twelve million dollars. So she
Speaker 3: was fourteen years old signing a five year endoors name
Speaker 3: with Rainfow for twelve million dollars, which is just insane,
Speaker 3: and that was also unheard of for a newcomer to
Speaker 3: the sport. Couple of years later, Serena had her professional debut,
Speaker 3: also at the age of fourteen, and as the world
Speaker 3: got to see and know how good Venus was, the
Speaker 3: media's version of the sisters really put Serena as a
Speaker 3: lesser player when she started off. They said she's not
Speaker 3: as good as Venus.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So in an interview with Harper's Bizarre in February
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two, Venus actually said, usually in one family,
Speaker 3: there's one good player and then the other one is
Speaker 3: not that great. And I think people told Serena she
Speaker 3: wouldn't be great. The fearlessness with which she approached the
Speaker 3: game was something I've always really admired. She doesn't accept. Second,
Speaker 3: she explicitly told me herself that she plays for first place.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I got full body shivers.
Speaker 3: It's amazing and it's no secret that these women have
Speaker 3: gone on to break records, but I thought i'd just
Speaker 3: rattle off a future really show the magnitude of their achievements.
Speaker 3: So both sisters have been ranked number one in singles tennis,
Speaker 3: Venus for a total of eleven weeks beginning in February
Speaker 3: two thousand and two, Serena for a total of three
Speaker 3: hundred and sixteen weeks beginning in July two thousand and two.
Speaker 3: Venus has won forty nine singles titles over the course
Speaker 3: of her career, and Serena has won seventy three. The
Speaker 3: Williams sisters are the only two women during the Open
Speaker 3: era to contest four consecutive major finals, from the two
Speaker 3: thousand and two French Open to the two thousand and
Speaker 3: three Australian Open. Serena won all four of these finals.
Speaker 3: The sisters are nonetheless personally very close. They've won twenty
Speaker 3: two titles when playing doubles together, including fourteen majors and
Speaker 3: three Olympic gold medals. I just I can't even comprehend.
Speaker 2: It's so so much, so incredible and what a team.
Speaker 3: I know, and I love that they have never let
Speaker 3: it ruin their relationship. Their relationship is still very strong. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So to end, I thought I would give a little
Speaker 3: fun fact tell us the all Williams final at the
Speaker 3: two thousand and one US Open drew a larger television
Speaker 3: audience than the Notre Dame Nebraska college football game being
Speaker 3: broadcast at the same time. So college football in the
Speaker 3: state is a really big thing. So for two female
Speaker 3: sports players to draw a bigger audience than the all
Speaker 3: male college football teams. Was a massive deal, and in fact,
Speaker 3: is part of the reason that the women's final at
Speaker 3: the US Open was moved to its primetime spot because
Speaker 3: of the positive effect that the Williams Sisters had on
Speaker 3: television ratings. CBS's four highest rated US Open women's finals
Speaker 3: of the last decade all involved the Williams sisters.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I even like reflecting right now. I am personally
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a sport person. No, neither am
Speaker 1: I Tim is a sport person or kind of.
Speaker 2: I'm not a sport person.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't really know any other tennis stars except
Speaker 1: the Williams sisters. I know, even and be interested in
Speaker 1: their story absolutely, and be inspired.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: I love them so much, and I think just it's
Speaker 3: so clear from their life how hard they've worked to
Speaker 3: get where they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's actually let's unpack their story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I.
Speaker 1: Think like the biggest theme from the Williams sisters is
Speaker 1: their determination and grit. Yes, for sure, because I like,
Speaker 1: we've both seen the movie. Loved the movie. Shout out
Speaker 1: to King Richard. It's amazing. Go and watch it. I
Speaker 1: just I remember watching that and then knowing that, you know,
Speaker 1: they had had a big help in the film, so
Speaker 1: knowing it was mostly you know, real events. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: seeing them, you know, play in the rain, and just
Speaker 1: like continue and continue and continue, and just thinking like,
Speaker 1: if you do want to do something, you can you
Speaker 1: just have to be willing to put in that like
Speaker 1: effort and work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and put in which is kind of controversial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even saying that, just then I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: feel like people are gonna come.
Speaker 2: At me, watch your thoughts.
Speaker 3: I totally agree. Like for me, the ten thousand hours
Speaker 3: theory comes to mind.
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 1: So, like, I know what it is, explain it to
Speaker 1: the audience.
Speaker 3: So the ten thousand hours theory is basically this concept
Speaker 3: that if you do ten thousand hours of any activity,
Speaker 3: you will be at an expert level.
Speaker 2: And I talied it.
Speaker 3: And the four hours, the six hours a day for
Speaker 3: six weeks for four years, that actually adds up to
Speaker 3: about seven five hundred hours. And that was just with
Speaker 3: their coach, so yeah, not even before, not even before
Speaker 3: when they were going with their dad to the court
Speaker 3: every day. And I think it's also that concept of it's.
Speaker 2: Not always going to be.
Speaker 3: So easy, and you're not always going to have the
Speaker 3: motivation to do the thing, but you have to do
Speaker 3: it and remember your why, and it's not always going
Speaker 3: to be like glamorous.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think people get rose colored glasses when you see
Speaker 3: super successful people who've done these amazing things, and it's
Speaker 3: so easy to like look at their life and go, oh,
Speaker 3: they were probably rich, like they're in tennis, they're probably rich.
Speaker 3: They're probably super wealthy because at the time when they
Speaker 3: were going into tennis, it was very much like an elite.
Speaker 3: You had to be wealthy, you had to be white sport,
Speaker 3: so they had to have been rich, rich, rich rich
Speaker 3: black people to be able to get in there. But
Speaker 3: that's not the case. And it's just almost that reality
Speaker 3: check of like who you don't have excuses.
Speaker 1: It's actually reminding me. I have this like fun story.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've told on the podcast before,
Speaker 1: but I remember having this realization in maybe grade eleven
Speaker 1: when I did decide I want to do law, and
Speaker 1: I didn't really feel you know, the typical quote unquote smart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know, my grades at that stage were
Speaker 1: like c's and b's, Like I would you know, a
Speaker 1: normal student. And I remember having this realization and saying,
Speaker 1: I wonder what would happen if I applied myself to
Speaker 1: my max effort. And I remember literally sitting down as
Speaker 1: like you know, a fifteen year old and thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: what could I do to get smarter? And I used
Speaker 1: to do things like as soon as the teacher would
Speaker 1: give us the assign because you usually had a good
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And I remember, you know, I went
Speaker 1: to a state school, so everyone started like, come on before,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she gives me exciting and I remember thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: what do I actually because my whole thing was in
Speaker 1: order for me to get into law, I needed to
Speaker 1: basically get a's across the boat of all my subjects,
Speaker 1: and so I would first of all get the assessment.
Speaker 1: I would plot in, you know, the dates of I
Speaker 1: had this big thing about drafts, so I used to
Speaker 1: get two to three drafts.
Speaker 2: To my teacher to look over to refine. Wow, because I.
Speaker 1: Thought, like, surely me handing in half a draft, and
Speaker 1: so a big thing I would PLoP in the dates
Speaker 1: of when I'm giving my teacher the drafts because I
Speaker 1: knew I had to get two to three in order
Speaker 1: to get an A, because that's just what I personally
Speaker 1: had to do. Yeah, And then I would go to
Speaker 1: the library and I'd hire out all the books about
Speaker 1: that subject, or if it wasn't in the school library
Speaker 1: because my school library had fucking notebooks, I would go
Speaker 1: to my local library, yeah, and hire out the books.
Speaker 1: And I would literally hire every single one, and I
Speaker 1: would love sit in the library for ages, get them all,
Speaker 1: and then I would start my assignment. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: would be that annoying student who would like, at lunchtime,
Speaker 1: knock on my teachers.
Speaker 2: Oh, your teachers, Yeah.
Speaker 1: My teachers, like I don't know what was it called,
Speaker 1: like staff, Yeah, the staff room.
Speaker 2: And being like could you look over this and give
Speaker 2: me some point as blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And I remember them even being like I could just
Speaker 1: tell they were so annoyed by me. But I do
Speaker 1: you mean like I was so determined. No, I'm getting
Speaker 1: an A in this and I know things don't come
Speaker 1: to me as naturally as you know, some other children.
Speaker 2: So this is just what I have to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember having those thoughts when I was,
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen and sixteen, and then because I then
Speaker 1: did that and applied myself so much and did get
Speaker 1: an op that I could, you know, get into law.
Speaker 1: Then my brain went, oh, okay, that's just what we
Speaker 1: have to do. Yeah, And so I love in their
Speaker 1: story that it was like, no, I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 1: like the Williams sisters the resonate, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: like they literally just trained day in day out, like.
Speaker 2: That huge grit is. It's such.
Speaker 1: It's such a thing like if you don't know something
Speaker 1: or if you're not good at it, didn't you say
Speaker 1: Ed Sheeran?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Ed Schune did the ten thousand Hours. So
Speaker 3: he was not a great singer.
Speaker 1: I just don't believe that, I know, right, And Ed
Speaker 1: Sheeron is an angel.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love you, Ed, And if you're listening,
Speaker 2: come seeing to us.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he wasn't a good singer, and he just practiced
Speaker 3: and practiced and practiced and he got good. And Sun
Speaker 3: actually spoke about the ten thousand hours theory in an
Speaker 3: interview a few years ago, and I want to share
Speaker 3: a snippet of that here.
Speaker 8: Have you ever heard of this theory about the ten
Speaker 8: thousand hours theory? So that theory works right. So when
Speaker 8: I first started out, I saw Damien Rice in concert
Speaker 8: and I mention it in a song. I was said,
Speaker 8: I won't stop till my names in lights Stadium, Heights
Speaker 8: with Damien Rice, and literally like I watched him and
Speaker 8: was like, I want to do that. One day and
Speaker 8: wrote a million songs, did a million gigs and of
Speaker 8: ended up kind of doing a similar thing. But it
Speaker 8: literally came from writing a song a day, or two
Speaker 8: songs a day, or five songs a day, and just
Speaker 8: getting all these songs out of me, doing a million gigs,
Speaker 8: sometimes three gigs a day. We did six gigs a
Speaker 8: day one year at Glastonbury. But I think you view
Speaker 8: it as a dirty tap. When you switch a dirty
Speaker 8: tap on, it's going to flow shit water out for
Speaker 8: a substantial amount of time, and then clean water's going
Speaker 8: to start flowing and now and then you'll get a
Speaker 8: bit of shit. But as long as it gets out
Speaker 8: of you, it's fine. So with songs, you're gonna write
Speaker 8: shit songs at the beginning, you are. My songs were terrible,
Speaker 8: my rahps, like I've listened to it the other day.
Speaker 8: It's awful, But I got it out of me, And
Speaker 8: the more and more you write, the more and more
Speaker 8: you experience, and then you start flowing clean water and
Speaker 8: songs start getting better and better and better. And when
Speaker 8: you just you're on a good streak, you're writing good
Speaker 8: songs now, and then you're gonna write a shit song
Speaker 8: and that song it's out of you and you can
Speaker 8: move on. And it's the same with gigs, like you
Speaker 8: will always play bad gigs at the beginning. That's what
Speaker 8: you need to do. And then the more gigs you do,
Speaker 8: the better you'll get now, and then you'll have a
Speaker 8: shit gig. But that's all right because you've got it
Speaker 8: out of you and you've experienced it. So I just say,
Speaker 8: the more and more you can do, put in your
Speaker 8: ten thousand hours, and.
Speaker 3: I think it's just a testament to natural talent will
Speaker 3: only get you so far. Yes, and sometimes it's better
Speaker 3: if you don't have the natural talent because you start
Speaker 3: working harder earlier, and that just becomes like you said,
Speaker 3: how it is, it's the habit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you almost have that activation of oh fuck, I
Speaker 1: don't have the natural talent, so I've got to put
Speaker 1: in the effort. But that almost can be well, it
Speaker 1: will be get you there. Faster and be the thing
Speaker 1: that is your you know, determination and the reason why
Speaker 1: you then go achieve the things.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I love that and that seemed interesting. Guys, like, have
Speaker 1: a think about where in your life are you telling
Speaker 1: yourself you're not really good at something? Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: actually have put not a lot of time and effort
Speaker 1: into excelling that skill, even though you would want to.
Speaker 3: And I feel like you can only say you're not
Speaker 3: good at something if you've done ten thousand hours of
Speaker 3: it and you're still but you won't be, and then
Speaker 3: I'll believe you and then we'll say okay.
Speaker 1: But that's even like, you know, people ask in regards
Speaker 1: to me and Cooper starting naked Harbret, but how did
Speaker 1: you know how to start a business? And it's like
Speaker 1: I remember listening to probably thousands of hours of business podcasts, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I was like, well, I don't fucking know, so
Speaker 1: I've got to find out, Yeah, exactly, and just like
Speaker 1: literally stuff on Rich repeat and like listening to little
Speaker 1: tips and tricks and going, well, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to do this thing, so I'm just going to fill
Speaker 1: my mind with it. So true, and what would your
Speaker 1: sort of tip be to to get a handle of
Speaker 1: being a bit more gritty in life, because I feel
Speaker 1: like at the moment there's almost a stigma around. Obviously
Speaker 1: people need to look after themselves and not hustle all
Speaker 1: the time, but there's almost this flip where people just don't.
Speaker 2: Want to work hard anymore. I don't want to do
Speaker 2: we a week in Kabet. I don't need to work.
Speaker 2: You just need to work. Oh my god, I hate us,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Though I know, and
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. This is I feel like this
Speaker 2: almost is like a.
Speaker 1: Taboo topic because I completely get that it's but that's
Speaker 1: the thing is, like, let's even play with this idea.
Speaker 1: Why does it have to be all or nothing? Why
Speaker 1: can there not be the duality of yes, I can
Speaker 1: work really hard and really care about this thing and
Speaker 1: then also find a balance within still having boundaries and
Speaker 1: serving myself. Like I feel that, I think like we're
Speaker 1: I feel like, especially if you're listening to this podcast,
Speaker 1: you're a conscious You're a conscious enough human to hold
Speaker 1: the duality of both and be able to listen to
Speaker 1: this podcast and not go, oh, they're just talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, toxic hustle.
Speaker 2: Culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we're not talking about that. But also you know,
Speaker 1: it goes into how much we talk about seasons a tier,
Speaker 1: so true, like knowing when you're putting in the effort
Speaker 1: and having that priority and going no, I want that thing,
Speaker 1: and also knowing when to you know.
Speaker 2: Draw back. That's even like in the Williams Sisters.
Speaker 1: Story of I remember the part when like they wanted
Speaker 1: to enter competitions and their dad, you know, didn't Richard
Speaker 1: didn't let.
Speaker 2: Them, Yeah, the junior tournaments and he was like no.
Speaker 1: Like let's wait, we're still in a season of refining
Speaker 1: our skills.
Speaker 3: And I remember that like the coaches being like what
Speaker 3: they're fun? Yeah, like what is happening? This is not
Speaker 3: how it's done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what I mean. I think it's allowed
Speaker 1: to look different for everyone.
Speaker 3: That's such a good point too. There isn't necessarily a
Speaker 3: set path, even though people tell you there is, yes,
Speaker 3: and it's like, you don't have to finish school and
Speaker 3: then do this and then do this and then do
Speaker 3: this if that's not what feels right to you. And
Speaker 3: especially what I noticed with the Williams sisters as well,
Speaker 3: is they were obviously the first ones or some of
Speaker 3: the first people to achieve what they did to get
Speaker 3: to the standard they were, and it's like there wasn't
Speaker 3: necessarily spot for them. And it's that resistance that you
Speaker 3: feel when you're trying to carve a new path, and
Speaker 3: it's like hiking. If you're not going on the path
Speaker 3: everyone else is gone. You're gonna have to cut some
Speaker 3: trees out of your way, but it's gonna be so good,
Speaker 3: and it also makes it easier for the next person.
Speaker 3: And just remembering that your journey won't look like everybody else's,
Speaker 3: it won't follow the same as everybody else's, and it's okay.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, and like kind of going off that
Speaker 1: attia is like I love that. You know, quote unquote
Speaker 1: the Williams sisters didn't belong in tennis of how they
Speaker 1: were brought up, you know, like you're saying people who
Speaker 1: dependent tennis had a lot more money and all those
Speaker 1: different things, but it's like they still were so persistent
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, I'm doing this.
Speaker 3: Thing exactly, And it's almost like the persistence is what
Speaker 3: gets you there. Y, you just have to almost nag enough.
Speaker 1: Yes, It's like me with my teachers, Yeah, you just
Speaker 1: got to annoy them until they give you what you're
Speaker 1: I love it so much, but it is, it's so inspiring,
Speaker 1: and it's so true of people may even be listening
Speaker 1: to this episode and going like ten thousand hours, that's like,
Speaker 1: it's so ridiculous, it's so obsessive. Yeah, But for instance,
Speaker 1: like it's even this podcast, we're ordinary people doing extraordinary things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And to do an extraordinary thing sometimes you need to
Speaker 1: do things that not other people are doing exactly. And
Speaker 1: so in this case it might look obsessive. But if
Speaker 1: you've got that vision and you're like, no, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do this extraordinary thing, be okay with people calling
Speaker 1: you obsessive, be okay with not feeling like you long,
Speaker 1: and be okay with like, I'm just gonna do the
Speaker 1: thing anyway, and trust that if I put in the effort,
Speaker 1: I will, you know, have the result.
Speaker 3: I totally agree. And something on that line that I've
Speaker 3: been thinking about a lot at the moment is the
Speaker 3: quote unquote goats of industries. When you listen to their stories, George,
Speaker 3: you didn't know what goat? So maybe I.
Speaker 2: Asked it's like, what is goat?
Speaker 3: So in case anyone else doesn't know goat is greatest
Speaker 3: of all time. So when you hear the stories of
Speaker 3: these ghoats, it just sounds of industries like like the
Speaker 3: Williams sisters or like Lewis Hamilton and Ed Sheeran, And
Speaker 3: you listen to the to their journey and the amount
Speaker 3: of hours they put in and potentially the way their
Speaker 3: parents maybe brought them up. It's very controversial and a
Speaker 3: lot of people will say, oh my gosh, I'd never
Speaker 3: do that to my kids. It's so toxic. You can't
Speaker 3: force them to do things like that.
Speaker 2: But like, look where they are now.
Speaker 1: This is so interesting that you say this because Tim
Speaker 1: literally says this thing where he gets annoyed. And Tim
Speaker 1: is very He's got a natural ability with sport. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like put Tim in any sport and he can do it.
Speaker 1: Like he's very what I'm jealous.
Speaker 2: Like coordinated.
Speaker 3: Yeah we're not.
Speaker 1: And he says all the time he wish his parents
Speaker 1: had put him because he used to do like just
Speaker 1: random sports all the time, Like he'd go from tennis
Speaker 1: to football to anything, just because he loved moving. But
Speaker 1: he didn't stick to one because he got bored. But
Speaker 1: he wished his parents were like more no, you're good
Speaker 1: at this.
Speaker 2: Let's stick with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because he's like, like such a typical I cout
Speaker 1: a bit of pro he wished his parents almost forced
Speaker 1: him to do that because he already has the natural ability.
Speaker 1: He's like, imagine if I actually did the ten thousand hours,
Speaker 1: and he's like.
Speaker 2: I could do it.
Speaker 1: And it's so interesting because he's like, if i'm's good
Speaker 1: at a sport, we're fucking going hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She has no choice, no choice.
Speaker 1: So it is really interesting because it is like, do
Speaker 1: you want a normal life, yeah?
Speaker 2: Or do you want a quote unquote extraordinary life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful and just like folding it back to
Speaker 1: what I was saying before, I feel like there is
Speaker 1: space for duality here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like there is space for you.
Speaker 1: To be listening and go, oh look, not for me,
Speaker 1: not interested, but maybe down the track something happens, or
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you were a child star and you're
Speaker 1: like it was pretty hectic and now I'm doing something different.
Speaker 1: But there is that duality and that beautiful balance of
Speaker 1: being passionate about something and having that determination and grit
Speaker 1: and going all in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and remembering it's not always gonna feel fun.
Speaker 1: Yes, Like, I think that's such a good point to
Speaker 1: tier of Like, imagine training six hours a day every day,
Speaker 1: hate it. How exhausted it would be physically and mentally
Speaker 1: mentally exhausted.
Speaker 3: Imagine like waking up and it's bucketing, and your dad's like, cool,
Speaker 3: let's go, and you're just like, are you Kiddy's rat movies?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I want to get some popcorn and watch some movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. My question is what sort of questions would you
Speaker 3: ask yourself before you decide to.
Speaker 2: Go all in on a goal?
Speaker 1: M Interesting, The biggest thing is having you know the
Speaker 1: clarity around that being your goal you want to go
Speaker 1: in like all in, and also like remembering you can
Speaker 1: always change your mind. Yeah, for sure, it's not set
Speaker 1: in stone. And I truly believe that's like me doing
Speaker 1: a six year law degree and then not being a lawyer.
Speaker 3: Like that's a lot of hours, probably ten thousands, probably
Speaker 3: getting close.
Speaker 2: Literally getting close if we include high school.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is I would never regret that
Speaker 1: because it's so on my journey of who I am
Speaker 1: and I've developed so many skills for that. And also
Speaker 1: there was times where I was so passionate about that thing.
Speaker 1: It aabled me to be the person I am, so
Speaker 1: I think also realizing that it's like you can't fuck
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so true.
Speaker 3: I think I'd also ask myself how fulfilled I would
Speaker 3: feel if I went all in on that thing after
Speaker 3: I'd achieved it, and also if I'd be comfortable with
Speaker 3: the sacrifices I'd have to make to go all in
Speaker 3: on that thing, because you'd kind of be kidding yourself
Speaker 3: if you think that you wouldn't be making some sacrifices,
Speaker 3: like yes, you can have the duality and you can
Speaker 3: have it all, but there's still be a few things
Speaker 3: that fall away and really making sure that you're okay
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 1: I love that so much. That's a huge thing of
Speaker 1: like what are you going to you know, sacrifice, And
Speaker 1: I think that's even this is tying it back to
Speaker 1: a weird point of I remember when I was, you know, postpartum,
Speaker 1: and I got to like a year postpartum with IVY,
Speaker 1: and I like felt like crap physically, and I kind
Speaker 1: of just thought a year would go past and I
Speaker 1: would just feel like myself.
Speaker 2: And then I actually really looked at.
Speaker 1: My life and I was like, I still eat like crap.
Speaker 1: I still like I'm not putting in much effort into
Speaker 1: going to gym and making the sacrifices, and I'm still
Speaker 1: eating a lot of sugar.
Speaker 2: And like, I got really.
Speaker 1: Honest with myself because they're like, there was no sacrifices.
Speaker 1: I was doing the same things and wanting a different result.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is the definition of the sanity.
Speaker 1: And then so what was really beautiful of that is
Speaker 1: I got really honest and then I made some changes
Speaker 1: which are quote unquote sacrifices, like getting up an hour earlier,
Speaker 1: cutting out sugar, cutting out you know, certain foods for
Speaker 1: my thyroid condition, not for any other reason, and certain things.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm feeling so much better physically. But
Speaker 1: it's so interesting because I was like, oh wow, I
Speaker 1: hadn't even thought about the sacrifice sacrifices. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: something now you look back, I'm like, thank god I
Speaker 1: sacrifice those things because I'm feeling.
Speaker 2: So much better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh I love.
Speaker 1: That's like a really random point. All right, So to
Speaker 1: finish a.
Speaker 3: Tear, Yeah, I think everyone should use their story, the
Speaker 3: Williams Sisters story as sort of food for thought when
Speaker 3: it comes to what you're leaving behind and the path
Speaker 3: you're carving out and if it benefits you in while
Speaker 3: you're here in this world existential I love it, and
Speaker 3: if it benefits people after you, and if that's a
Speaker 3: priority of yours, asking yourself, what is the legacy you're
Speaker 3: leaving behind for people or how do you want to
Speaker 3: leave people?
Speaker 1: And what are you like in your legacy? Like what
Speaker 1: are your values? What are you currently making a priority
Speaker 1: and do you want to change that?
Speaker 2: I love that. Just some thought provoking, some.
Speaker 3: Thought provoking questions, just some thought WOWO.
Speaker 1: Silly gals too, silly gals asking you some fun questions.
Speaker 1: It was so amazing hearing more about their story. You
Speaker 1: told it so beautiful a tea. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for researching that and bringing that to us and guys,
Speaker 1: we hope this has got you thinking about your legacy,
Speaker 1: what you're leaving behind, what you're making a priority and
Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode because we love chatting to you about it.
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