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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional overshaer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, grow.

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Speaker 2: And face our blind spots.

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Speaker 1: Each week, I'll interview a different guest about their highs

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Speaker 1: as well as they're lows, all in a bid to

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Speaker 1: inspire us.

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Speaker 2: To feiously fail.

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Speaker 1: Hello there, Today we have Siggi or Sigourney on the pod.

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Speaker 2: She is the creator of Beautycaide.

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Speaker 1: She also has her own video podcast called A Beautiful

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Speaker 1: Inside Pod. I was really lucky she came to La

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Speaker 1: and we did a pod swap. So I jumped on

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Speaker 1: Siggy's pod, then she jumped on mine. I don't think

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Speaker 1: my episode is out yet, but today you'll get to

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Speaker 1: hear Siggi chat on my pod.

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Speaker 2: We talk a lot about being a mom, mental health.

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Speaker 1: Loads of stuff. So buckle in enjoy this chat. It's

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Speaker 1: really honest, really open, really vulnerable, and I.

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Speaker 2: Hope you have a wonderful day. Big Love.

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Speaker 1: She's here, She's here, We're here, Sigourney Cantalo, my friend,

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Speaker 1: Holy Mac.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we've been talking about this for years.

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Speaker 3: We have, we really have.

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Speaker 2: You haven't stopped.

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Speaker 1: You were in LA and I feel like I've been

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Speaker 1: watching your inser stories down to the type of lashes

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Speaker 1: you use.

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Speaker 2: You haven't effing stopped. How do you feel? I know

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Speaker 2: you fly back tonight.

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Speaker 3: I'm utterly exhausted, but like electric and excited.

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Speaker 2: Give me a highlight. What's been something that you've loved?

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Speaker 3: Every interview I've done has been so different and so rewarding,

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Speaker 3: and like I've had goosebumps and cried and like, this

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Speaker 3: is why we do what we do, right. It's just

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Speaker 3: I feel so passionately about podcasting now. And it was

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Speaker 3: funny because I was quite late to the party and

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Speaker 3: I was like, you should do a podcast, and because

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Speaker 3: I didn't really listen to them much, I wasn't. I

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Speaker 3: don't know, I just I thought they were cool. Yes, sure,

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Speaker 3: But then I started listening and I started thinking, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: it took a long time to come up with my angle,

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Speaker 3: but now that I'm doing it, it gives me so

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Speaker 3: much joy, which I know it does you as well.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it the best? I have just been lucky enough

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Speaker 1: to be on your pot Rooney. Well, it's not a pod,

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Speaker 1: it's a vodcast.

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Speaker 2: I know, I love that.

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Speaker 3: You were so good. Guys, I can't wait to share

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Speaker 3: this interview. You were going to love it.

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Speaker 2: We should try and time them so they come out.

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Speaker 3: That's a great idea. Let's do that, I know, collabbing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So my first memory of you is beauty Kate.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, ten years ten years ago, yes,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like we would go to the same events,

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Speaker 3: Launch health and wellness events.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would always look to you for like

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Speaker 1: beauty guidance. So I didn't know until we've started emailing

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Speaker 1: each other about this pod. But like, know, you worked

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Speaker 1: at Vogue, like beauty editor of Vogue, Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Beauty and health director of Vogue for six years.

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Speaker 2: Did you love that?

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Speaker 3: Look? It was pretty amazing in terms of access and

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Speaker 3: the kind of things I got to do, like like

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Speaker 3: you know, flying to New York to interview Lady Gaga

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 3: It was she was so cool. I mean we all waited.

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Speaker 3: All the journalists there were I think there were a

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Speaker 3: she she was being busy being famous. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 3: you felt instantly like you were besties. Like she just

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Speaker 1: So so you did. You had all these amazing moments.

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Speaker 3: was just like, yep, you know, you can work one

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Speaker 3: my dad went into PR and my mom went into TV.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot more flexibility here. But I

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Speaker 3: It was between me and this other girl who I

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Speaker 3: just like she was like, I've got so many girls

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Speaker 3: and I'm doing presenting, and you.

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Speaker 1: Know, absolutely I wanted to ask you about the acting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you've done your research. Yes, yes, there was some. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And it was like McGee do you know the I

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Speaker 3: Oh, that was from the start because I watched mum

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Speaker 3: Beyond two thousand. Do you remember that. So she was

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Speaker 3: So she really pushed me and and made me, yeah, like,

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Speaker 3: did Batchel Communications and so I really, oh yeah, definitely

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Speaker 2: So it's so fascinating.

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Speaker 1: So beautiicate as well, like for me living in Sydney,

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Speaker 1: like I spent about seven years in Sydney, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like it was like as Beautyquate was born. Essentially

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Speaker 1: that you have interviewed and been like hung out with

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Speaker 1: such incredible people as part of that. Has there been

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Speaker 1: any pinched me moments or moments where you're just like,

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Speaker 2: I feel like you've even had on the po with

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go to a treatment center now. And

434
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Speaker 3: I've had so many messages like that, so that felt like, Okay,

435
00:21:59,119 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 3: this is it. I'm helping.

436
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 1: Do you know before you reached out to me and

437
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: told me you were coming to LA, people had told

438
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Speaker 1: me to get you on the pod for this reason.

439
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

440
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm such a stickler for real life. I

441
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 1: was like, okay, we'll do it when I'm back in SIDS.

442
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I didn't know that. That's so nice.

443
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: It was meant to be, but like just to like

444
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: go back on what you were saying, like it obviously

445
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: has had a huge impact on people, and I think

446
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: we're in a time where.

447
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Speaker 2: Sharing real shit.

448
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: Is actually really important and actually helps and touches a

449
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Speaker 1: lot of people, And it sounds like that was an

450
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: important piece of the puzzle. It might have been missing

451
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: for you earlier, like now knowing how much probably every

452
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: single chat you have helps people in one way or

453
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: another exact many.

454
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Speaker 3: Exactly, and they helped me. Like I sit there and

455
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Speaker 3: I listen to you, and I'm like, oh, I was

456
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 3: so impressed by your resilience and you're like you just

457
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Speaker 3: a matter of fact, you know, this might take take

458
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Speaker 3: a while, but I'm you know, and these are my goals.

459
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Speaker 3: And I just was like, every single chat I have

460
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 3: gives me something. And then I think, well, and it's

461
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 3: always something you'll get, Like people will be looking for something,

462
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 3: you know, and they'll get something out of one of

463
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 3: these podcast chats. So yeah, it's it's rewarding.

464
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Speaker 1: I totally like everybody has something to share, but I

465
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: really want to say like thank you for sharing, like

466
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: so openly, not just here, but like it sounds like

467
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: because I know you'd been toying with the idea of

468
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: doing a pod for a little while, and it probably

469
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: was meant to be that you did, like share that

470
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: really raw part of yourself and then do the pod

471
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: and everything, because you've also set up a space where

472
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: everyone feels very safe to be vulnerable with you off

473
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Speaker 1: the back of that.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. And I think and that it

475
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: wasn't preordained or anything. It just kind of happened like that.

476
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: Like I realized as I was working on the podcast,

477
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 3: and it was funny. I reshot the intro three times,

478
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 3: I you know, toyed with the name. It probably took

479
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 3: I was. I had sort of the outline of it

480
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: before I went in, but when I came out, it

481
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: all just sort of solidified. And yeah, and then I

482
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: realized I have to start telling people, like, you know,

483
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 3: I have to start making them feel as safe as

484
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: they can before we even chat start chatting.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a big believer in that one too. So

486
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: it's called Beautiful Inside by Yes. Yes, Yes, such a

487
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: great name. Beautiful intro to I was like, oh, look

488
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: at you, You're incredible. Obviously like to have you on

489
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: this pod, I have to, like, there were so many

490
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Speaker 1: parts of your pod that I loved.

491
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Speaker 2: Consuming driving along the four h five on the way

492
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Speaker 2: to work, but I loved your.

493
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Speaker 1: Like longevity, yes, and I'm really into longevis of being

494
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: in LA There is every second supplement out here is

495
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: all about like extending our tteleomeres or on our mitochondria.

496
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: Boosting our mad level.

497
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

498
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Speaker 1: So is there anything that you like through your travels

499
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Speaker 1: and through everything you've done, and you have such great

500
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: access to things as well. I feel like your finger

501
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: is so on the poles around that longevity picture that

502
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: you're just like, actually, yeah, that's something that I'm going

503
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: to implement now.

504
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 3: I take stuff every week, and I try different things,

505
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: and like I said, I take yeah, like I take

506
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 3: things from different people I interview or listen to. Yeah,

507
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: big fan of you know, Huberman and Peter Adier and

508
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 3: oh gosh, David Sinclair. So I'm always listening to it,

509
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: Like I take furious notes about their supplements. And I

510
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 3: went through a stage where I was really good at

511
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: taking like the cursortan and the NMN, but then I

512
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: started having reflux issues and that eclipsed everything in the

513
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 3: longevity space. Because I've been trying to get to the

514
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 3: bottom of that and I think I actually I believe

515
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: so much about the mind body connection, and so what

516
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: I'm really trying to do is work on my nervous system. Yes,

517
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: I did. I started a whole course actually, but I

518
00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: couldn't keep up with the curriculum Repairing the nervous system

519
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: with Jessica Maguire and it's fantastic and I learned a

520
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: lot in just the bits that I did, and I

521
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 3: and it's really cool embodiment practices or what she calls

522
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: bio resources, so just you know, being having the exter

523
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Speaker 3: reception and the inter reception. Oh yeah, so sitting then

524
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: in your space. And also I'm working with a therapist

525
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: at the moment who is really cool. He's got me

526
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 3: just tuning in with myself multiple times a day and

527
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: just being like what do I need, what do I feel?

528
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: And that just the simple sorts of things where I'm

529
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: so and it might be my ADHD that I was

530
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 3: diagnosed with add I was diagnosed with the start of

531
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: the year, at the end of last year. But I'm

532
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 3: very not very in touch with my body. So you know,

533
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: when people like nutritionists or people my mom says, oh

534
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: I don't feel good after I eat that, I've got

535
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 3: no idea. I just maybe get refluxed. But I can't

536
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: never even connect what I've eaten I'm just so off

537
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 3: in my head. So having that kind of embodiment practice

538
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 3: and trying to like dial in. And and then I

539
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: interviewed Jane Wherwand the other day who's the founder of Dermalogica,

540
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 3: and she's amazing. So she every morning she goes out

541
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: into the garden. This is her non negotiable and she

542
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 3: stands there and she connects to the she stands in

543
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 3: like mountain pos and connects to the ground and then

544
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: she connects her I know this sounds weird, but she'd

545
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 3: have describes it so much better than me. But like

546
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: she she kind of connects her head to the universe,

547
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 3: like and she feels like she says, I just connect in.

548
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: And she's incredibly intuitive and she really and she really

549
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 3: believes in her crystals and things she is, so she's

550
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 3: being guided in what she needs to do, like she

551
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: and she says, you just are curious and you're open

552
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: to everything and you see things and they So I'm

553
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: starting to like and it's all very like I've never

554
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: been very woo woo, but I really believe in energy

555
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: and I and I know I don't know about crystals yet,

556
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: but I think that I think we I think what

557
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 3: we need to do is, yeah, meditation. I'm a vedic meditator,

558
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: but I'm I'm elapsed, you know.

559
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: I think we are.

560
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: And I love it. I love it, but I can't

561
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 3: at the moment. It's just I can't sit still because

562
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 3: I'm so excited about life and working and so I

563
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 3: wake up often at four or five and I jump

564
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: out of bed and I work, and so it's very

565
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: hard for me to just stop. But I know that's

566
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: probably my biggest lesson in life is to come my

567
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: nervous system. So to answer you in a very long way,

568
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: it's just yeah, finding those moments of peace, dialing in,

569
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: tuning in, being intuitive. I started doing mind Valley, which

570
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: is an app, and I started learning the silver Mine method.

571
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: Oh cool, I don't know, Yeah, it's really cool and

572
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: vision I'm like, And I did that for like a

573
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: couple of months and then I got too busy, and

574
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: it's still every day it goes learn with Mine Valley,

575
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: and I'm like, shit, I should be doing that. It's

576
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 3: and there's like a whole program that you learn, and

577
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: it's like it's a nineties He was this guy in

578
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties, Jose Silver and he was like, I

579
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: think he was a radio repair man and he figured

580
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: out that energy is like frequency. It's kind of like

581
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: the secret. It's kind of like manifesting, but it's like

582
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: it's it's a more it's almost like a hypnotherapy version

583
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: of that. So you hypnotize yourself. You'll love this. I

584
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: think you need to check it out. And you hypnotize

585
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: yourself and you go into a state and then you

586
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: it's like visualize aerzation on steroids. And I started doing

587
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: it and shit started going like happening, and I was like,

588
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: this is so cool. So now lately I've even though

589
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 3: I'm not doing the full Silver method at the moment,

590
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: I just sometimes just do the visualizations and I picture

591
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: myself successfully interviewing someone or you know, if there's a problem,

592
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 3: like it tells you how to you know, play your

593
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: problem on a screen and then you have to like

594
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: see the resolution and you don't know how you're going

595
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: to get there, but it just sort of everything just

596
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: falls into place.

597
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: So oh, I love.

598
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: I have so many questions off the back of that,

599
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: and the one that just popped randomly into my head.

600
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Speaker 1: Do you ever get nervous, like you flipping rocked up

601
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: from Miranda Kurr's house the other day, like, do you

602
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: get nervous before interviewing people?

603
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: Mu'm actually interviewed me right, watch talk at that phone camera.

604
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: It's like, are you nervous? I was like, I mean

605
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: if in my heart of hearts, yes, I probably am.

606
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: But I'm trying to tell myself that that's excitement. So

607
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: I'm trying to turn it around because the emotions that

608
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: we have for nerves and anxiety are actually the same

609
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: as excitement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My acting coach always is, yeah, I'm feeling excited before you.

612
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: Yes, So I just tell myself that this is excitement.

613
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: This is and in the words of Brene Brown, we're

614
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: in the arena. We are putting ourselves in the arena,

615
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: and if that's uncomfortable, and that's exactly where we should be.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love it.

617
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Speaker 1: And the other thing you touched on just then with

618
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: you were sharing about curiosity, and I think that like

619
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Speaker 1: whenever I'm nervous, especially with like auditions or like a guest,

620
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: that I'm like, oh, like I don't know which way

621
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: to go with this. Yeah, I always just get really

622
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: curious about them, and it kind of like gets me

623
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 1: out of the hamster, like off the hamster wheel and

624
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: straight into the person. It just cuts it something. It

625
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: does something to the anxiety, the stress, the what ifs,

626
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: the oh, this doesn't feel like it's going right. It

627
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: just I just change. It's a good little like.

628
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: Shape of power to flip it.

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Speaker 2: Curiosity, excitement in this. Yeah, I love that. You don't

630
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: get nervous.

631
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 3: Oh I do. I do. My body's telling me I'm nervous.

632
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: But if I have that, if I'm feeling clear that

633
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: day and and controlled, then I can say no, like, yes,

634
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: you're nervous, but this is excitement and you're doing the

635
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 3: right thing and this is going to help people. Just

636
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: remember your why What if.

637
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: If we were to look into a crystal ball, what

638
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: would the future look like for you? Because like this,

639
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: like the pot is it's not I wouldn't say it's new,

640
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: but it's like it's new.

641
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: Baby.

642
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am not. In my past, I haven't been

643
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: very good at dreaming big because I've always had these

644
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: self limited beliefs. So I'm I'm really working on I

645
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: don't even know. All I know is I want to

646
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: help people. I want to keep doing what I'm doing.

647
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: I'm so passionate about it, but I guess yeah, I'd

648
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: like to grow the podcast to something great. I'd like to,

649
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 3: you know, get more guests that you know, bring us

650
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Speaker 3: more listeners, and I just want to keep educating and

651
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: spreading awareness and hopefully making people feel good. Yes, that's

652
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: on my list, And yeah, I've been toying with what

653
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: that might look like. But I think a lot of

654
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: it is I want to be able to talk about

655
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: my childhood, and I just I don't want to hurt

656
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: family members and I don't want to so I don't know.

657
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: I have to think about how I like, it's hard.

658
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: Can I put your mind at ease about that? You

659
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: have an editor and remember when you write a book

660
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: and you write a manuscript, Yeah, and you essentially like

661
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: verbal diary, Like you can just put everything into the

662
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: start gets like thirteen rounds of minutes.

663
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, and you.

664
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: Can pull anything out you want.

665
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: Like I've written stuff and pulled whole stories out, and

666
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: I've written stuff I've wanted in and the publishers like

667
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: you cannot share that. I want to know what those

668
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: stories are, you know what I mean?

669
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: Or like they're too personal about an ex?

670
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: You can get super Australia, Like it's crazy, yeah, but yeah,

671
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: there's probably ways to say things.

672
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

673
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like just know that, like you've usually got

674
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: someone that's a professional that's on your team, Yeah, that

675
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: will want to get the message across, not at the

676
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: cost of other people.

677
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: Perfect, So yeah, let that one, yeah percolate, definitely. Yeah.

678
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I obviously have to ask, Like I used to

679
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: be a makeup artist and so like I love following

680
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: you for beauty hacks and dips and I saw you

681
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: the other day or like there's a recent post about

682
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: LED and I always feel like is it should I

683
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: get that?

684
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: Should I buy that LED mask? I'm getting a nod.

685
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: Always all the light infrared panels, LED Light, I'm obsessed.

686
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, do you have faves?

687
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, I've got two masks that I alternate between.

688
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 3: One's called san Lure. It's yeah, like it's really high powered,

689
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: it's Australian and brand, and the other one is Cure

690
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: qr E. It's amazing because you can customize the areas

691
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: on your face that you do so because you know

692
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: there's blue light for acne and red light for aging

693
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: and brightening. So I will because I get these horrible

694
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: hormonal like cystic breakouts on my chin, and I don't

695
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 3: have time to do a blue light and a red light,

696
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 3: so I'll do red light for my cheeks and eyes

697
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: and everywhere else, and then my blue light on my chin.

698
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: So cool, And that's not not as that expensive that

699
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: one as like some of the others. I'll give you

700
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 3: my links, and I've got discoun I've got discount codes you,

701
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: so you can put them in the show.

702
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: Now, we absolutely will.

703
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: And infrared. I've got an infraredy panel which is like

704
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: this big and I literally sit in front of it

705
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: nude after a shower for a bath, and I'll meditate.

706
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: And I've got a grounding mat, which I'm still not sure,

707
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: like I haven't used it enough to know, but I

708
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: just throw that in the mix too. I've got all

709
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: the little biohacking tools, and oh my, I've got a pulsetto,

710
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 3: which is like a vegas nerve stimulator. No yeah, So

711
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: you put it around your neck and it's got these

712
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: pulse it's like electromagnetic pulses and it sits on your

713
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: like part of your vegus nerve yea and it has

714
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 3: all these different programs so I've been using the Reflex one,

715
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: but it's got like anxiety sleep and yeah, it has

716
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: an app on the phone and it just like it

717
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: feels a bit like you know those microcurrent devices. It

718
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: feels like that on your vegus nerve. Yeah. So I'm

719
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: trialing all these things. I've got a grounding well mat Yeah,

720
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: so I'll put all the links.

721
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: What about because I feel like we're at the generation

722
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: where everyone, especially in so skincare in America is quite

723
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: different to Australia and what's available, especially with like laser

724
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: and like, I'm so sorry I didn't even hear.

725
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: I am on airplane. He's calling through WhatsApp and it

726
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: doesn't block.

727
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: Do you want to get it? We can no. Do

728
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 2: you want to message him though?

729
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 3: It's fine? Oh yeah, I'll just say I'll call you later.

730
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 3: There you go. Skincare is different here, yees.

731
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: Skin you're in LA or in America is quite different

732
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: to Australia. I feel like Australia has the best.

733
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we have so much lazers as well, yes,

734
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: and high tech and is.

735
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: It anything that's a fave that you swear by with skincare?

736
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: So many things I can imagine Okay, So cosmaceuticals, I

737
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: kind of like go between cosmosceuticals and organic because I

738
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: just love I'm so aware of all the crazy ship

739
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: that gets into your system because of our size the body.

740
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: So I kind of like hedge my bets. So because

741
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: they also say, oh, you know, natural skin care is

742
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: not as effective, and I mean I interviewed Miranda as

743
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: you know ker the other day and she was like,

744
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 3: I've got studies to prove that my you know, plant

745
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 3: cell retinol is effective as retinol. So and that's a

746
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: really beautiful product actually, and I love the smell of

747
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: her products, so I use I use products like Cora

748
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: and Mookti Beautiful. And there's a brand called Subtle Energies.

749
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: It's an Auvhadic brand. I love the smells and the

750
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: textures of natural organic products, so I love them on

751
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: one side, but I also like highly advanced you know,

752
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 3: vitamin c's, vitamin D, vitamin vitamin D that's sometime sorry,

753
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: vitamin A, vitamin B, nic cinamide, vitamin C. So I

754
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: use Synergy, which is an Australian brand. I love it's

755
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: because it's also clean, very like they're very careful about

756
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: what they exclude from their products, and and I like Rationale.

757
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 4: Yep.

758
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: Another great one skin suticals. Dermalogica is just Dermologic is

759
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 3: like my mainstay, Like I just fail safe, fail safe.

760
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: Skin loves it. Very clean, smells beautiful, textures are great.

761
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: There's like something for every single thing you could have

762
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: wrong with your skin. I've got like every product of

763
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: Theirs in my travel kits because I know that it's

764
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: like my skin won't react to it. So yeah, I

765
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: think those five or six or seven brands I mentioned.

766
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: Oh thank you, no, no, no, I love it. I'm such

767
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: a nerd, like I just love learning. And also I

768
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: think and I'm excited that you're going to air one

769
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: after this.

770
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because check out the skin care.

771
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: I know it's huge, right face masks.

772
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: Everything you are going to be in haven.

773
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: I want a full report. Will I would like tell

774
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: you what to get to somebody.

775
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: Listening that might have a dream or want to start

776
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: a pod or want to start but have a little

777
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: bit of imposter syndrome, a little bit of self doubt.

778
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: Do you have any advice because it's it sounds like

779
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: you've been through a little bit.

780
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: I have been through it all my life. I still

781
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: manage to get beauticaid out with a lot of imposter

782
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 3: syndrome and a lot of doubt. I I guess that

783
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: was my perfectionism. But I think what I've learned, and

784
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: I mean I always knew it, But it's finding your

785
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: real passion. And that's so obvious and sounds so cheesy,

786
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: but it's finding the thing that lights you up. And

787
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: that might be so random. It might be you know, knitting,

788
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: doilees or I don't know, like there's something, yeah, something

789
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: where you're in the flow state, something that gives you

790
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 3: joy and then make that your career somehow. I know

791
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 3: that's not a easy to find that thing, but if

792
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 3: I mean it's it could be just finding your joy

793
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: and connecting with people and then you know, channeling that

794
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: into some kind of career where you coach people or

795
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: you help people or something like that. But also I

796
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: had to do my work. I had to do my

797
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 3: I had to do the work on myself to really

798
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: clarify that and to to work. I think it was

799
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: the limiting self beliefs that I had. So hasn't it over? That?

800
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing?

801
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: Because you and I are very similar ages when you

802
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: meet someone and you can tell they've done so much

803
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: work on themselves, and you just feel so seen, yes,

804
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: and safe to be seen.

805
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: And it's such because I think we're in.

806
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: A really awesome generation where I think the generation above us,

807
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 1: it's like you would go to therapy or you would

808
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: work on your mental health if there was something wrong. Yeah,

809
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: whereas I think we're in this generation now and below us,

810
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: where it's a celebration you work on your mental health.

811
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: Oh my God, talked to me.

812
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: Yes, attachment, what's your attachment style? Yeah? I mean I

813
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: still feel like a baby in this arena because I did.

814
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: I did a bit of therapy before I went into

815
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: the treatment center. But to be honest with you, it

816
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: was a bit of a yeah, Like it was all

817
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: a bit of a realization that I had to do

818
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: this work, and it was I was terrified by it.

819
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: And I just thought I'd rip the band aid off

820
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: and do three weeks at once, and I thought I'll

821
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: be done then. And you know, it wasn't put of

822
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: a mental health hack. I was like, you know, therapy

823
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: sounds lengthy and expensive, and they were like, well, your

824
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 3: health cover will cover this stay. So I was like, great,

825
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: I'll just go in and do all my therapy and

826
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: I'll come back fixed.

827
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: I love it, I mean, but the good thing is

828
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: it was essentially probably like jumping out of a plane

829
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: and then you then you were like, actually, yes, this

830
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: is a non negotiable for me, like.

831
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: Totally, And the amount of work I did in that

832
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: three weeks was like incredible. All I didn't have my phone,

833
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: I didn't have my laptop, I didn't have contact with

834
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: anyone outside like I just my phone call with the kids,

835
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: like I was allowed to speak to them on a phone,

836
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 3: but having that three weeks to just switch off, unplug

837
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: and they weren't even like you weren't even allowed to

838
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: watch TV, read papers. They had like you know, a

839
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: movie night and like trivia night and art therapy. But

840
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: there was no sense of what was going on in

841
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: the world, no sense of trying to keep up. There was.

842
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: It was so magical that, you know, having been a

843
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: media person for you know, twenty years, to have that

844
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: switch off was just, Oh, I think everyone should do it.

845
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 3: I wish there were I wish there were retreats in

846
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 3: places that were more psychologically based and trauma based that

847
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you get a little better that that health retreats,

848
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 3: but it's kind of packaged up for a health retreating

849
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: a SPA. I'd like to see more of those where

850
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: you do group therapy and you find you know, you

851
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 3: talk about your issues. And the trauma program I did

852
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 3: was amazing. We did parts work, we did chair work, like,

853
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: we did stuff that, yeah, you might not come across

854
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 3: in everyday talk therapy.

855
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: I love it. You're make you mad.

856
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: It makes me like I mean, I love talk therapy, yes,

857
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: but I also love the concept of like deep diving, yeah,

858
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: and just being like, Okay, this is like time to heal,

859
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: and just like you, I'm a retreat early like I've

860
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: been on so many retreats.

861
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: But you're right, it's like you dip the towel in.

862
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 4: The water, but you don't sit in that sit in

863
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 4: that discomfort, yeah, which is really And also the people

864
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Speaker 4: that I met there, like some of the stories I heard,

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Speaker 4: the humanity of it was just so life changing just

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Speaker 4: seeing these people and hearing their stories and yeah, it

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Speaker 4: was amazing.

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Speaker 3: Than you wonderful, Oh you're wonderful. And I love the

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Speaker 3: work you're doing and thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.

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Speaker 2: As always, thank you to.

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Speaker 1: Our guests and let's continue the conversation on Instagram.

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