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Speaker 1: I tell you whatet Budget estimates has certainly provided no

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Speaker 1: over the last week or so, and budget estimates continued

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Speaker 2: There was a lot to cover.

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Speaker 1: From alcohol legislation to the ship lift, health Howard Springs,

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Speaker 1: the payout to the former police commissioner as well. Now,

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Speaker 1: last week we heard these interactions around the situation with

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Speaker 1: the payout to the former police commissioner Jamie Chalker. If

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Speaker 1: you miss this bit of audio, take a listen.

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Speaker 3: Whose budget does the payout come from?

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Speaker 4: So that budget would the budget would be the police

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Speaker 3: And so did Treasury provide additional funding to police to

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Speaker 3: supplement that money that's now being diverted to the payout. No,

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Speaker 3: But at this stage that payout to Jamie Chalker has

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Speaker 3: had an impact on the police budget's bottom line.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And.

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Speaker 3: Is it true that that figure is.

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Speaker 2: In a of seven figures.

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Speaker 4: I've got no idea at all about that. I have

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Speaker 4: had no line of sight around that, which as is appropriate.

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Speaker 3: Police Minister, do you know how much Jamie Chilker was

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Speaker 3: paid out?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: And so if you don't know how much he was

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: That's incorrect on this particular matter. There were several elements

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Speaker 5: of the negotiation and the payout that that was a

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Speaker 5: confidential payout. So I'm not going to discuss that any further.

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Speaker 1: So that was both the Treasurer and also the Police

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Speaker 1: Minister well answering questions around the police commissioner's payout. Now

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Speaker 1: Natasha Files. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, Chief Minister.

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Speaker 1: I believe that is what you would call a hospital

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Speaker 1: pass right to you. How much was the former police

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, I do need to be careful with my comments.

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Speaker 2: I will say as much as I can, and I

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Speaker 2: to waste time, Katie. But in terms of the budget,

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Speaker 2: I can absolutely assure your listeners it is not coming

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Speaker 1: He is coming from then, because the Treasurer firmly said

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Speaker 2: So as I was about to say, within our agencies,

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Speaker 2: they have a human resources allocation for budget, so that's

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Speaker 2: for any payouts that they might need to make, any

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Speaker 2: work safe issues, those types of things. So police have

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Speaker 2: an allocation for that. It comes from that. But if

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Speaker 2: make sure that they get a Treasurer's advance for the difference.

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Speaker 2: So some agency, so you're prepared to top it up absolutely,

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Speaker 2: So there's that hr budget component. Some agencies go under,

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Speaker 2: This confidential matter and I can't speak to it or

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Speaker 1: But the fact is it's taxpayers dollars. So it is

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Speaker 1: money that Territorians are paying their taxes to pay out.

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Speaker 1: And it was bungled. This was bungled by your government

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Speaker 2: Katie, A process was followed. It is a matter for

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Speaker 1: So what you can tell us though this morning, is

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Speaker 2: So Katie, I can't go into those matters. It was

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Speaker 1: it seemed when watching estimates last week that the Police

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Speaker 2: So Katie, the only comments I can make on this

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Speaker 1: Is that because it is absolutely a legal requirement.

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Speaker 1: So will territorians ever know how much the former police

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Speaker 2: Katie? I've made the comments that I can and I

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the police are going to fall

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, we work incredibly hard to make sure that

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Speaker 2: And just to go.

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Speaker 1: Back to you know, if a Treasurer's advance is required

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Speaker 2: How are you going to not so, Katie? A treasure's

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Speaker 1: How will anyone know though, you know, like how much

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Speaker 2: Katie to answer the question, yes, it is concerning when

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Speaker 1: The new president, though, believes that the review into police

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Speaker 1: When is that review going to happen?

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, I've had advice that you need to do

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Speaker 2: working through that. The electronic rostering was meant to be

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is, if we're covering one hundred

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Speaker 1: I mean that's presumably costing a huge amount of money.

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, these overtime hours go back to July first

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but when are we going to accept that The

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Speaker 2: Absolutely accept that comment, Katie that we need to give

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Speaker 2: nine months till March thirty first, has still been an

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Speaker 2: COVID was still here a year ago it was tailing off.

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Speaker 2: So they're the factors that we're taking into account. But

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Speaker 2: before the end of the year. Katie, I think that

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Speaker 2: that's not an unrealistic time frame to at least have.

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Speaker 2: And as I was saying, we know Darwin and Alla Springs,

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Speaker 2: And I think the comments from the acting Commissioner that

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Speaker 1: So April May June, if we're looking at that, really

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Speaker 2: Least, Katie, I would certainly like to see it sooner

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Speaker 1: Overnight, Samara Lavity, Declan Lavity's mum has taken to social

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Speaker 2: Why aren't you acting on urgency with this, Katie, I

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Speaker 1: Look. My understanding though, is that she wants to see

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Speaker 1: You should not get automatic bail because it's a first offense.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't that happening?

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, we change the presumption of bail for edged

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Speaker 1: There is still there is still concern around what type

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Speaker 2: But we made immediate changes at the time.

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Speaker 1: But do you think that those immediate changes have worked

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Speaker 1: Can you assure our listeners that if somebody out there,

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, what I can say to your listeners is

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Speaker 2: police decide who gets bail. So police are best placed

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Speaker 2: government has acted swiftly and effectively enough since Decklan Lavity died, Katie,

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Speaker 2: we have, as I said, made immediate changes. We are

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Speaker 2: doing that task force review and that will be made public. Katie,

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Speaker 2: we are doing a knife crime strategy. We're absolutely doing

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Speaker 1: What do you say to his mum this morning, who

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Speaker 2: Oh my condolence is my heart. I can't imagine what

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Speaker 1: And what do you say to the people in the

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, I point to the actions, the immediate changes

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Speaker 1: I want to have a look at Howard Springs now.

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Speaker 1: You had told us on a number of occasions that

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Speaker 2: No, I acknowledged a few weeks ago that it was

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Speaker 2: it is completely unacceptable when we help them when they've

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Speaker 2: damage like that. But it is not wear and tear.

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Speaker 2: It is more substantial, and I have acknowledged that.

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Speaker 1: I understand that there is that they're still reviewing what

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Speaker 1: as I've touched on, is far from wear and tear,

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Speaker 1: and you now acknowledge that. Many questions though, are now

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Speaker 2: Katie, that would be a question for police. Territory families

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Speaker 2: it's appropriate though? I think if anyone is damaged public property,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, do you sort of regret I guess

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Speaker 2: Katie, I was given the advice at the time and

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Speaker 2: I acted upon that. But when it became clear, Minister

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Speaker 1: Alight, I'm going to have to move on very quickly

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Speaker 2: The red and bracing for a further reduction.

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Speaker 1: The Independent Commissioner against Corruption, Michael Riches, as we know,

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Speaker 2: Why is the i CACK had a funding cut? So, Katie,

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Speaker 1: The commissioner, though, the KAC Commissioner also said that from

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, again, the IKAK was given additional resources to

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Speaker 2: that we give them a budget, but if they need

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Speaker 2: and ask But Katie, I need to make it really clear.

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Speaker 2: We always made that three years of funding as a

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Speaker 1: I mean, some people we'll see this though as an

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Speaker 2: Katie. We made it very clear when we provided this

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Speaker 2: It was three years of additional funding which peaked in

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Speaker 2: But it is a little bit unfair when we clearly

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Speaker 1: So you think the ICAC Commission is being unfair, Katie,

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Speaker 1: You meant to do investigations if you don't have the

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, this was in establishing an independent Commissioner against

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Speaker 2: to finister.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap up. I do, though,

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Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 1: I know that last week was an incredibly difficult week

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Speaker 1: for you and your family, and that your young fella

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Speaker 1: has had a pretty extensive operation on a tumor which

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Speaker 1: he has infused in his spine. So we appreciate you

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Speaker 1: being in here and I do hope that you and

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Speaker 1: Paul and your family are okay.

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Speaker 2: How's young Henry going. He's good. Kids are very resilient, Katie.

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Speaker 2: So but thank you, and obviously it's very emotional for us,

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Speaker 2: but we received very good care and roll Dalen Hospital, Learning, Queensland.

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Speaker 1: And look, I certainly know that you know people cannot

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Speaker 1: likely politics, but I think as a human we all

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Speaker 1: need to make sure that we do give each other

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Speaker 1: that level of respect. And I know it's been an

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Speaker 1: incredibly difficult time for you and your family. My heart

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Speaker 1: goes out to you and Paul and your your little boys.

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Speaker 2: And I know that Henry is.

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Speaker 1: A little he's a tough little bugger, so I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he's going to be.

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Speaker 2: And that comes in handy when kids have had surgery.

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Speaker 2: Certainly does very kind and thank you to the community.

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Speaker 2: We've had a lot of well wishes and appreciate that

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Speaker 2: from across the political divide.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Chief Minister, Thanks so much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Take care