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Speaker 1: the Shadow Minister for Small Business. Good morning to you, Maury.

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Speaker 2: Claire, Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning, Murray Claire,

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Speaker 1: we even hear overnight. Unfortunately, police are on the hunt

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Speaker 1: The trio apparently gained access through the food court near

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, and I also spoke to Joe Hersey this morning,

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Speaker 2: You're right, this is a situation here now where we

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Speaker 1: Now, Marie Claire, I understand that. Well, you certainly are

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Speaker 2: That's right, Katie, And I mean we would like to

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Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, right If they're not going to

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Speaker 2: Well, if crime is escalating and yet the funding is decreasing,

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Speaker 1: So sorry, because so you're calling for so you're still

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Speaker 2: Then they need help with that. They need those resources

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Speaker 2: right so that territories don't have to wait a generation.

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Speaker 1: So some additional police into Catherine is what you'd like

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the laws need to be strengthened rather

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Speaker 2: while outed up. I mean, these criminals are so brazen

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think you'd be hard pressed to find

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Speaker 1: the Shadow Minister for Small Business, appreciate your time morning.

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much for having a chat.

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Speaker 2: With us, Thank you,