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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kay and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers

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Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fatch. Thank you, Welcome back to Outspoken. Now.

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Speaker 1: I've had a really stressful weekend because my boyfriend has

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Speaker 1: just found out that he has to be on a

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Speaker 1: low Fodmap diet. And I've heard this word thrown around

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Speaker 1: a few times, but I've never truly understood what actually

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Speaker 1: this diet involves until now. And for anyone who's listening

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Speaker 1: who is on this diet, I feel incredibly sorry for

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Speaker 1: you at the moment. I've created these two charts which

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Speaker 1: show what food he can and cannot have. So what

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Speaker 1: can you eat on the Fodmap diet? It's very confusing,

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Speaker 1: so for brand, for anyone who knows Brandon, he's a

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Speaker 1: country boy and his diet is very plain. Literally before

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Speaker 1: this diet, he lives off steak, hot dogs, chips, hamburgers, chips.

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Speaker 1: He's soft drinks, soft drinks, He also eats a lot

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Speaker 1: of milky bars because I used to work with brand

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Speaker 1: and he'd come in from the petrol station for breakfast

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Speaker 1: on the way into work, and he'd have like a

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Speaker 1: gatorade or milky bar and maybe a pie. So very healthy.

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Speaker 1: He's also a lover of milkshakes. But yeah, he's soon

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Speaker 1: discovered that he can't really have lactoast anymore. Is actually

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Speaker 1: really funny because I've told him to start trying to

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Speaker 1: obviously eat a little bit healthier, and I tried to

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Speaker 1: get him onto apples, but apparently this is a big

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Speaker 1: no no in the low format diet. So he can

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Speaker 1: have oranges. He's surviving off oranges at the moment. He

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Speaker 1: can't have steak anymore, that's high fordmap. Apparently he's really

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Speaker 1: been having chicken salad. Oh gosh, I don't even know

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Speaker 1: the whole thing is confused me. I'm going to go.

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Speaker 1: I've got to find a low FODMAP recipe book. I'm

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Speaker 1: a really bad girl friend. I actually don't cook dinner

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Speaker 1: for him at all, but I thought maybe this week

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Speaker 1: I might surprise him with a meal because he's been

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Speaker 1: putting a lot of thought and effort into these meals.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what?

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of that TV show where it'd be

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Speaker 1: those extreme eaters and say they'd only eat biscuits and

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Speaker 1: then they try and introduce them to fruit and veggies.

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Speaker 1: One thing that's really surprised me is Brandon has now

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Speaker 1: started drinking komb Butcher and that is because obviously it's

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Speaker 1: a fermented tea, so it's really good for your gut,

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Speaker 1: and he actually really enjoys it. I know it's shocking,

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Speaker 1: isn't it, because he's always been someone that just drinks brite. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's on the remedy kom Butcher's at the moment. They're

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Speaker 1: really nice. Well, just talking about boyfriends. The other night

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Speaker 1: I went into our on suite and Dale was cutting

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Speaker 1: his own hair. What with scissors or a show with

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Speaker 1: both with scissors and a shape. This is a regular

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Speaker 1: occurrence room, isn't it. We're not even in lockdown in

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Speaker 1: South Australia. You can go out, you can go to

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Speaker 1: a hairdresser. Dale has been making me cut his hair

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Speaker 1: for the last probably six months after he had a

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Speaker 1: really terrible haircut, and now he's ditched me in dooing

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Speaker 1: it himself. You can't get much further down the like,

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Speaker 1: is he soon just going to get the shaver and

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Speaker 1: just completely just shave it all off? He actually did

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Speaker 3: Up, bib old.

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Speaker 1: Time for another Tara up though, what's that supposed to mean? Nothing?

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Speaker 1: Just because no one cares what Tara says or does,

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Speaker 1: don't let that stop me from mentioner every forty seconds.

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Speaker 1: Nadi Bartel has been caught snorting what appears to be

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Speaker 1: cocaine at an illegal party on Thursday night in Melbourne, Kate.

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Speaker 1: How did this vision become public? It's very awkward because

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Speaker 1: Nadia's best friend and business partner, Ellie Pearson, is believed

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Speaker 1: what I believe must have been a bit of a panic.

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Speaker 1: It just reminds me of when you accidentally send a

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Speaker 1: Like she thought deleting her Instagram account would somehow delete

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Speaker 1: this video, so unfortunately the Nadia that did not stop

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Speaker 1: Jimmy was allegedly seeing her while still married to Nadia. Well,

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Speaker 1: it slow on the lockdown morning. Now, it is really

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Speaker 1: important to note that this has happened during Victoria's sixth lockdown.

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Speaker 1: So the Department of Health was asked about this breach

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Speaker 1: the matter. Funny enough, Victorian Premier Dan Andrews was also

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Speaker 1: he said he hadn't seen the video yet, so he said,

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Speaker 1: it's very difficult. Beyond that, I don't tend to comment

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Speaker 1: If you don't want to answer a question about something,

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Speaker 1: pretend that you haven't seen it or you're unaware of it. Well,

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Speaker 1: his media adviser wouldn't be doing a very good job

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Speaker 1: it has gone viral. It really has, and late on

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Speaker 1: Friday afternoon, Nadia came out on Instagram and apologized. So

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Speaker 1: Nadia released a statement saying, I have let you all

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Speaker 1: in time, your trust. Before Nadia released this statement, she

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Speaker 1: to her spray tand company and also her brand Henny.

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Speaker 1: Now I only mentioning the fact that they used to

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Speaker 1: absolute gods during this pandemic. They are allowed to travel,

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Speaker 1: where all their girlfriends and partners were flown in. I

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Speaker 1: that it's really not a good look that high profile

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Speaker 1: people in the AFL community have been caught having an

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Speaker 1: illegal party. See for me, the alleged drug taking was

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Speaker 1: really disappointing, and it's safe to say that the AFL

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Speaker 1: has a really toxic drug culture, and this just shone

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Speaker 1: whole thing really sad to watch. As you say, I

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Speaker 1: have been a fan of Nadia Bartel for a number

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Speaker 1: handled her relationship breakdown. Obviously, with a relationship breakdown does

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Speaker 1: know why she's taking these ro It's obviously it's very

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Speaker 1: difficult time in lockdown for a number of people. It

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Speaker 1: might be some form of escape, but I don't understand

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Speaker 1: why anyone in their right mind would film this, Like,

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Speaker 1: what was the friend thinking to pick up their phone

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Speaker 1: this of you. I think you hit the nail on

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Speaker 1: the head, Sophie when you said disappointing. It's extremely disappointing.

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Speaker 1: And it will be really interesting to see what the

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Speaker 1: ramifications are for Nadia, because I feel like, because she

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Speaker 1: potentially having that taken away and being posed as an

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Speaker 1: in the video because they'd been stalking her earlier that

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Speaker 1: will be after her. Now. What's really unfortunate because she

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Speaker 1: actually love the shirt she was wearing. I know that's

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Speaker 1: a lot to lose in regards that she I'm just

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Speaker 1: she just seems so polished. See for me, I don't

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Speaker 1: think the alleged drug taking will have as big of

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Speaker 1: an impact on her personal brand as breaking the lockdown rules,

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Speaker 1: because I think we're at a moment in Australia, so

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Speaker 1: think that we're coming to a point where we expect

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Speaker 1: a lot more from Australian influencers, and she really is

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Speaker 1: a top notch Australian influencer, like I think she is

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Speaker 1: influencer royalty in Australia. Yeah, so I think that the

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Speaker 1: and sponsorships moving forward. Yeah. I mean we've already seen

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Speaker 1: So Nadia was snorting the white substance from this plate

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Speaker 1: and people are debating whether the plate is from Ikea

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Speaker 1: MIA's been accused of being anti lockdown after she posted

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Speaker 1: Now, Clarie, your TikTok has absolutely blown up since you

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Speaker 2: of privilege in you know, that's wealthy and live in

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Speaker 2: a bit of home of the gold Cloaks where in

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Speaker 2: Queensland's involatives were lucky, I'm not only breaking lockdown restrictions

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Speaker 2: but saying.

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Speaker 3: Stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: And so, you know, I thought, I'm just going to

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Speaker 2: get on TikTok and have a rent, get that emotional

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Speaker 2: energy out there to my still followers that I had

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Speaker 2: at the time, and then it got one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty thousand years and it just kind of blew up

440
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Speaker 2: and everyone was like, oh, can you talk about other

441
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Speaker 2: influencers were doing the same thing, and so I've made

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Speaker 2: videos on other influence systems then that has been you know,

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Speaker 2: either not following lockdown restrictions or sharing anti vaccine or

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Speaker 2: anti masked rhetoric because personally, I feel like it's truly dangerous.

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Speaker 2: I think it just contributes to only issues that we're

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Speaker 2: having in Australia at the moment by not following public

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Speaker 2: health order and encouraging people to do the same physically

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Speaker 2: in to vaccine.

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Speaker 3: Hesitancy as well.

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Speaker 2: So I've just been making video since then, and you know,

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Speaker 2: some of them submitted and was like, I think you

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Speaker 2: need to look at you know, me che because she's

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Speaker 2: allegedly said on you know, Instagram that she's going to

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Speaker 2: get a fake COVID passports and we talk about it,

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Speaker 2: and so that's kind of where it went from there.

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Speaker 1: And I'm guessing you've probably received a lot of d

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Speaker 1: ms from some anti vaxes and I'm assuming they're not

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Speaker 1: too happy with your content.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of it's a mix of, like, let's

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Speaker 2: the big one that I get is let people have

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Speaker 2: their own opinions and it's their opinion and they should

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Speaker 2: be entitled to it, which I find so hypocritical because

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Speaker 2: it's my opinion that they.

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Speaker 3: Should just follow the restrictions and the health of work.

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Speaker 2: It's really contradictory when they say that but then the

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Speaker 2: other half of it is just these absolutely disgusting comments.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you know you're overweight, or you're ugly,

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Speaker 2: or you're jealous and you're obsessed, or I've had a

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Speaker 2: few that were like, you know, I want to kick

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Speaker 2: your head in, or why don't you know go and

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Speaker 2: harm yourself? Or one thing that I shared my son

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Speaker 2: taken off me. Really like big mix of just I guess,

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Speaker 2: like a lot of negative energy. Yeah, it's fascinating how

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Speaker 2: people respond to hearing things that.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to hear.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry you've been experiencing that, because, as you say,

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Speaker 1: it must be so hard when you've just put out

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Speaker 1: a video you think to a couple of people as well,

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Speaker 1: and suddenly you blow up and you sort of become

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Speaker 1: then a center, you know, of discussions. I'm sorry, happy

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Speaker 1: to experience, and I don't think sometimes people realize how

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Speaker 1: nasty some of the anti vacs have been online. I've

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Speaker 1: seen Abby Chatfield share a lot of comments and dms

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Speaker 1: that she's been receiving, and it's honestly next level bullying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it look the first you really got to me,

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Speaker 2: but then I received What's amazing is that I've received

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Speaker 2: a lot of the thought. Abby Chatfield was like a

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Speaker 2: lot of the people that was like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: it's just crazy. Clem Ford as well, and a few

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Speaker 2: other impluencs of accounts or people that report on that

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Speaker 2: sort of thing that had reached out to me and

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Speaker 2: been like, hey, you know, you're getting all.

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Speaker 3: This attention, love what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: You know, I hope you're okay, and just kind of

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Speaker 2: has given me some advice. And then just the overwhelming

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Speaker 2: support from just everyday people that are like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I've had a lot of comments from nursing that are

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Speaker 2: being like, hey, I appreciate you doing this so much

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Speaker 2: and getting it out there, and it kind of makes it.

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Speaker 3: Worse it in a way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's amazing. That sisterhood. I feel like that's

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Speaker 1: online being sort of led by the likes of Abby

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Speaker 1: Chatfield and Clementine Ford. It's a great bunch of women

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Speaker 1: are supposed to be supported by. So have you actually

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Speaker 1: been asked to officially remove any of your content by

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Speaker 1: meya personally?

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Speaker 2: So the initial contact that I had with mea which

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Speaker 2: was fascinating of its own way, because it started off

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Speaker 2: with the message with her saying that she was got

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Speaker 2: news Corpse and wanting to get in contact with me

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Speaker 2: about my videos, And then I got the letter attached,

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Speaker 2: and then she said, you know, you need to respond

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Speaker 2: to this in seven days, and yeah, basically this is

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Speaker 2: quite severe.

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Speaker 3: You need to be careful what you do.

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Speaker 2: I'm paraphosing here, but that was.

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Speaker 3: The general consensus of the message.

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Speaker 2: And I kind of messaged her back once or twice

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Speaker 2: and then have deficits and I haven't heard anything else.

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Speaker 3: So no, really, no, was the answer to that question.

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Speaker 1: What of you love to be a fly on the

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Speaker 1: wall when me and realized that she'd sent it in

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Speaker 1: her own name, like can you imagine?

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Speaker 2: Well, the message I got back from her was that

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Speaker 2: she was checking to see if it was me, and

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Speaker 2: that I believe, again I'm probably paraphrasing here, that I

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Speaker 2: took the bait, and I hardly grasp about that because

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Speaker 2: I took the bait. I'm not a fish, I'm a person.

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Speaker 2: And if she just asked my email, and I said

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Speaker 2: this in a video, that if she just asked my

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Speaker 2: email or my details, certainly with the letter, I would have.

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Speaker 3: Happily given them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your heart would drop when you you sent something

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Speaker 1: like that, because let's be honest, a lot of people

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Speaker 1: have a burner Instagram account, don't they, And she's got aled.

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Speaker 3: Oh I don't know you. I meant to, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: look I don't know. I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: So on Wednesday, Mia released an apology on her Instagram

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Speaker 1: for the views that she shared that may have offended people.

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Speaker 1: What was your reaction to the apology?

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Speaker 2: Look, my opinion on any influence to apology is that

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Speaker 2: they're usually.

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Speaker 3: Not well written. I think College gets really good exact.

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Speaker 2: So I kind of felt about that apology the same

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Speaker 2: way that I feel they all influence the apologies. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't It didn't really hit them a lot of me,

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Speaker 2: and that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time, Clari. We've loved

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Speaker 1: having you on the show today, and we will leave

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Speaker 1: a link to your TikTok in our show notes. On

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night, mea Plastic shared a three minute video to

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Speaker 1: her Instagram story where she apologized for sharing what she

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Speaker 1: called her political views. Now, in my opinion, the apology

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Speaker 1: seemed very rehearsed and also not entirely genuine. Let's throw

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Speaker 1: to a clip of the apology.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to quickly come on here and clear a

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Speaker 4: few things up. Some things went down over the weekend

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Speaker 4: that I want to discuss, and some allegations were made

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Speaker 4: towards myself and my company, and I thought it was

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Speaker 4: important to address those publicly. A few months ago, I

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Speaker 4: shared my view and opinion about everything that's happening in

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Speaker 4: the world online, and in doing that, I have realized

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Speaker 4: that I have hurt, armed, and upset a lot of

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Speaker 4: people with my political view. I have spent a lot

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Speaker 4: of time since then reflecting on what I said, and

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Speaker 4: I'm very remorseful for the content that I have put

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Speaker 4: out there.

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Speaker 1: I have educated myself a.

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Speaker 4: Lot on everything, and my opinions have definitely changed. So

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Speaker 4: I want to be able to take this opportunity to

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Speaker 4: apologize to anyone who was offended by my content.

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Speaker 1: So after this apology, she then went on to say

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Speaker 1: that she realizes how loud and influential her voice actually is,

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Speaker 1: and that she would be more careful about what she

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Speaker 1: chooses to discuss on her social media platforms. Interestingly, though,

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Speaker 1: she then ended this apology by saying that there have

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Speaker 1: been a lot of false allegations made against her in

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Speaker 1: the last few days and she does not condone bullying

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Speaker 1: and online harassment. She said she will stand very loud

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Speaker 1: and proud about the false allegations made about her and

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Speaker 1: flag that she would be taking legal action against people

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Speaker 1: bullying her. She finished off by saying that she will

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Speaker 1: be taking a break from social media to deal with

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Speaker 1: things behind the scenes. What did you guys think about

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Speaker 1: this apology? I do think that the apology could be

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Speaker 1: perceived as being quite intimidating, especially because she mentioned that

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Speaker 1: she would be pursuing legal action. Is clear that Mia

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Speaker 1: has a lot to protect at the moment. Obviously, she

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Speaker 1: has this very successful business which is Slickstick, and she

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Speaker 1: doesn't want anything getting in the way of ruining that

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Speaker 1: for her. I assume so that is in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: why she has put out this apology. As you say, Kate,

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Speaker 1: I think that she hit a few write notes with

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Speaker 1: the apology, you know, saying that she's reflected on her

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Speaker 1: behavior and is remorseful of what she has the content

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Speaker 1: that she has put out there. I do find it

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Speaker 1: interesting that she says that she has educated herself and

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Speaker 1: that her opinion has changed. I'm assuming she's saying that

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Speaker 1: her opinion has changed in regards to the COVID vaccine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but the thing that I noted was that she seemed to,

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Speaker 1: again like Chloe Zepp's statement, because hers wasn't really apology

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Speaker 1: dance around what the actual issue is. She never says vaccine,

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Speaker 1: she never says COVID. It's sort of just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: things that are going on in the world at the moment.

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Speaker 1: It's very ambiguous, isn't it. It really is. It just

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Speaker 1: seems like something that you put out there to save

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Speaker 1: face and try to appease people. And I do find

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Speaker 1: it really interesting these sorts of statements have been coming

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Speaker 1: out over the last couple of weeks, particularly for someone

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Speaker 1: like Mia, because, as you said, she's had this very

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Speaker 1: successful product, and the product is very much aligned to

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Speaker 1: her TikTok account and also to the influences that she

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Speaker 1: chooses to promote her product. So funnily enough, a lot

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Speaker 1: of those influencers, like Chloe Zepp, have been sort of

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Speaker 1: aligned to that anti vax, anti lockdown sentiment. So it

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Speaker 1: will be interesting to see who she continues to align

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Speaker 1: the brand with. And I do find it interesting that

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Speaker 1: she has had to come out and make this apology

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Speaker 1: because ultimately people are buying this product because of her

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Speaker 1: and her own personal brand, and I think that she

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Speaker 1: was worried that if she didn't come out and apologize,

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Speaker 1: it would affect sales. Since the apology, she's also removed

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Speaker 1: slickstick from her personal buy obviously in a move to

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Speaker 1: distance her own personal brand with the product itself. But

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Speaker 1: has she actually apologized on TikTok, because that's where a

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Speaker 1: lot of her sales come from. No. She actually put

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Speaker 1: the apology on her Instagram, which is very interesting because

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Speaker 1: her audience is predominantly on TikTok, So I do think

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Speaker 1: that there was a little bit of strategy around that.

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Speaker 1: I'm really intrigued to see what happens with slickstick sales.

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Speaker 1: People at the moment want to distance themselves from brands

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Speaker 1: that don't align with their views, so I will be

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Speaker 1: really interested to see what happens. Well, I think that's

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Speaker 1: all we've got time for today. Thank you so much

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